Sony Ericsson Posts Fourth Consecutive Quarterly Loss

[desiibond]

Mobile handset maker Sony Ericsson Thursday posted a narrower than expected net loss for the second quarter, but sales remained well down, hit by continued weak consumer spending and the company's failure to bring high-end smartphones to market quickly enough. Sony Ericsson posted a EUR213 million net loss for the three months to June 30, down from a EUR6 million profit the previous year but better than analysts' expectations for a EUR298 million loss, partly on lower restructuring charges.
The report marks Sony Ericsson's fourth consecutive quarterly loss, although the result improved on the EUR293 ...


source: http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...16-703504.html

[vamsi_krishna]

poor sony, being pwned by apple and nokia. BTW, sony has also posted losses in electronic department. god bless you sony..

[sujoyp]

Sony Ericsson should listen to consumers...y always experiment...if everyone wants a 3.5mm jack,sd card and usb charger just give it ....y delay the things and invite trouble.

I being a great fan of SE always got frustated by there proprietary port.

Hope W995,Satio,Aino will do some good

[amitabhishek]

^^ +1; If SE had their way then even our commode would have been proprietary.

[sakil.ahmed64]

exhorbitant pricing for xperia and not having too many options in the business segment.. that has done the trick

[desiibond]

Main problem lies in their products inside 6k-20k segment. no real competitor to Nokia and samsung.

[sujoyp]

Originally Posted by desiibond

Main problem lies in their products inside 6k-20k segment. no real competitor to Nokia and samsung.

I would say 6k to 12k is good for SE with c510 and g502 and many...even my T700 has good sound and looks fabulous. I see main problem lies from 15-25k which is dominated only by nokia.

SE have to consider Smartphones...they lag in this department

[sandeepkochhar]

The most unexperimental company deserves to be in losses. I am happy

[Tamoghno]

Typical sony DNA of overpricing and propietory things is what destroyimg sony(ericsson) .

But thankfully this is changing. I hope se dont die . They are the reason why we have good usable cameraphones .

[dreamcatcher]

@sandeep- Doesnt look nice coming from you.At least they are trying. What are motorola doing??
SE have the most powerful handsets lined up for Q4. By 2010 the recession should be controllable. Lets see what happens then. Btw, i have news that SE are developing a touch OS of their own and it somewhat resembles the Racheal UI we saw in the video.

[sujoyp]

Some good news for SE fans

Vodafone UK's best sellers:
1. Nokia N97 32GB
2. Nokia 5800 XpressMusic
3. Sony Ericsson W595
4. Sony Ericsson C510
5. Samsung S8000 Jet
6. Samsung S8300 Tocco Ultra Edition
7. Samsung L810 Steel
8. Nokia 6300
9. BlackBerry Storm 9500
10. HTC Magic

[dreamcatcher]

^^The reasons SE are suffering:-

1)No touchscreen models. The X1 being a premium model couldnt generate enough sales.
2)Lack of good low end models. Most countries are cutting down on cell-phones and are going for low-cost models which SE lack seriously.
3) Lack of Qwerty models.
4) Lack of smartphones.

Touchscreens should be there aplenty by the end of this year.
Low ends have never been SE's forte and i dont expect them to fare any better here. If the prices dip they may enter the sement.
There will be a series of Qwerty models to be introduced.
Well, android. need i say more??

[Tamoghno]

With the amount of money they are losing and the way they are shedding headcount , i wonder how they would run their RnD .

Anybody got any news of motorola ?

[dreamcatcher]

They have Sony and Ericsson behind them. Not a worry. Also they have a balance of 965 million euros stacked up in their bank.

[Tamoghno]

Not sure about financial condition of erricson , but sony also lost 1.4billion dollar last year .

I truly wish se survive this crisis though !

[desiibond]

PS3 is really killing them!!!

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher

They have Sony and Ericsson behind them. Not a worry. Also they have a balance of 965 million euros stacked up in their bank.

SE shut down a big big division in RTP, Raleigh, USA. One of my professors (who is considered the God of RF/Wireless in the whole of East Coast) left my university to join SE only to return back!!

They are in a mess right now. I'm an SE fan too, but they only haf themselves to blame for the soup they are in!

[dreamcatcher]

Yep. They are in a mess. But who isnt?? the downturn has left giants such as GMs and Citi in bare waters. Problem with SE is that they dint look into the future. If only they had come up with a good non-smart touch platform before the downturn hit, they would have heaped dividends now.

[sujoyp]

but I still dont see things improving....
Satio's prime area is its 12mp cam soo its price will be like xperia again it dont have 3.5mm jack
Aino looks good but not a full touch mobile.....SE where is the 5800 competitor???

SE android mobile Rachel seems to be touch HD competitor...soo will be quit costly.

I want Satio type SE mobile with 5/8mp cam and same hardware @ 22k....would be killer

[sandeepkochhar]

@ dream:- Motorola have the guts to launch Moto Aura a luxury phone even when they are in neck deep ****..It needs iron balls to do so..Aura once again added another first to the already humongous initiatives from the house of Moto..Aura is the first luxury phone having hundreds of gears to power the swivel movement of circular(which is another first by the way ) watch like display..You can't take the credit from Moto for their pure risk taking experimental ability and giving mobile world something which was never seen before..

[Tamoghno]

^^Completely agree . Motorola makes best hardware in market ,even the zn5 had 500mhz procy.all they need is half decent software . If they can launch zn5 like hardware with android , there's no reason moto wont have a hit. Also remember moto's other divison is actually making money .

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

SE has made loss, it did not reach out the n00b section. The majority of the market that is. The common people !
Unlike we geeks, we know that in the price range 8-12 SE is the best. Like k790, k810, T700, w610, w580 etc. This is endless list.

And they divided camera and music, unlike nokia, they combined both in phones like N73M and N95 etc.

[dreamcatcher]

LOLWUT?? What about Aura?? yea its a premium product but wat?? How many people are interested in it?? If you dunno, the W550 and the W900 were the first swivel phones in the market from SE and were a landmark in their time. Everyone can bring out costly and so-called premium products. Aint a big deal. SE is there with OMAP, Snapdragon and possibly tegra in its following launches. Lets not compare SE to moto. Moto thrives on its CDMA market while SE on gsm.

[sandeepkochhar]

Motorola Thrives on CDMA. It could be great headline for India TV. Hilarious. OK I agree that unlike SE they have the capability of producing CDMA phones also along with GSM but I am truly at loss of words at the Statement. And the thing is not about Premium/Non Premium It's About INNOVATION.

Motorola had always played the role of innovator and rest being imitators. "Slim is in" was Motorola’s effort when phones like Razr, L5,L6 etc made the world think that mobiles are not only utility things but also fashion statement.

The clamshell design which was rather unacceptable before was popularized by Razr series. Linux which has no taker in Mobile OS World was made to work effortlessly by models like Rokr series.

Touch screen devices which were thought to be Rich man devices were brought to Economy class by the launch of models like Rokr E6 and lately A810.

The unique e-ink technology for display was propagated by Motorola F3 and F3C.

Unique morphing keypads were launched in ZN5 and EM30.

ZN5 is the only phone which is as good in camera department as it is in music capability whereas its competition either focuses on camera or in music.

The list is almost unending and Motorola has given so many firsts in mobile manufacturing that it is almost impossible to remember all of them.

[dreamcatcher]

What about innovation?? What is innovative in the AURA?? The swivel design has been there for ages.

There nothing innovative about the Zn5 either. The tinny software in the phones make them almost unusable. So it doesnt matter what hardware they use. And yea dude. their GSM market has gone down the drains and they are thriving over their market presence in china and in the cdma regions.

[Tamoghno]

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher

LOLWUT?? What about Aura?? yea its a premium product but wat?? How many people are interested in it?? If you dunno, the W550 and the W900 were the first swivel phones in the market from SE and were a landmark in their time. Everyone can bring out costly and so-called premium products. Aint a big deal. SE is there with OMAP, Snapdragon and possibly tegra in its following launches. Lets not compare SE to moto. Moto thrives on its CDMA market while SE on gsm.

Wow , you are comparing w550 with aura ! I'm speechless. Whats next ? comparing maruti with Rolls Royce becausw both have four wheels ?

Come back when se can engineer something like razr2 / zn5 . Heck , se cant even get good voice clarity .

[dreamcatcher]

What?? Why would anyone like to engineer the Zn5 anyway?? And the Razr was the phone that sold moto. They tried to copy/paste but couldnt succeed. Anyways thats beyond the topic. When SE and others are onto 12mps moto is till stuck at 5.

[Tamoghno]

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher

There nothing innovative about the Zn5 either.

You know , the things n86 brags about , like mechanical shutter , variable aperture , were already in zn5 . Have you seen the shot to shot time of zn5 ? No nokia can touch it , forget about SE . Add to that good music , 3.5mm jack , AWESOME build ...

You know that moto lacks in OS only . OS is the reason zn5 dont even have 3g. Now what moto starts putting android in their phone ? We have a winner .

[sandeepkochhar]

There is not one but many uniqueness's in Aura. Most important being It's is the World's first Circular display Mobile Phone. No other company has managed to achieve this. Secondly it is inspired by high end mechanical watches. Hence, like in mechanical watches, it's movement is purely hand crafted gear movement which is not an easy task to do. Moreover, just go through any of the detailed reviews, you'll get to know hundred's of design innovations.
Accept it that no other company Not even mighty Nokia is even close to What we call Revolution in mobile world. They are Evolutionary; Moto is Revolutionary and being one is not bed of roses; but Moto will rise up from the ashes and rule the world once again..

[desiibond]

@sandeep, what is the use in making a 10000$ phone when your company is not able to sell phones that are sold in market. moto aura could be having innovation but who cares? who buys such insanely priced phones?? maybe 1 in a billion?
That won't do any good for company. make a phone that is considered for buying by 2 out of 10 buyers and that makes you a top brand.