Linux 64-bit suppt Mobo

[naveen572]

I want a Mobo(preferably p35) for around 4k which suppts Linux 64-bit OS

[Power_user_EX]

All the latest mobos supporting ram upto 8 or 16GB r 64 bits. It also depends on ur proccy.
All the latest C2D , C2Q and C2X support EMT64 i.e they r all 64 bit proccies.
AFAIK 64 bit support depends on the chipset , proccy and the system buses on the mobo.

Palit P35A Motherboard is a p35 based board for ur budget and it supports upto 8 GB of RAM. It will cost u around 4.3k(inc vat).

Here's the link : http://www.palit.biz/en/products/mb_intel_P35A.html

[imgame2]

Originally Posted by Power_user_EX

All the latest mobos supporting ram upto 8 or 16GB r 64 bits. It also depends on ur proccy.
All the latest C2D , C2Q and C2X support EMT64 i.e they r all 64 bit proccies.
AFAIK 64 bit support depends on the chipset , proccy and the system buses on the mobo.

Palit P35A Motherboard is a p35 based board for ur budget and it supports upto 8 GB of RAM. It will cost u around 4.3k(inc vat).

Here's the link : http://www.palit.biz/en/products/mb_intel_P35A.html

he is not asking about all that u have written he is asking about any mobo with support for 64-bit linux distro ....

[Psychosocial]

I think Palit P35A

[MetalheadGautham]

For AMD, 690V, 690G, 740G, 780V, 780G, 790GX and 790FX along with GF6100, GF8200 and GF8300.

For Intel, P31, G31, G33, P35, Q35, G35, P45, G45, 610i, 630i, 710i, 720i, 730i, 750i have mainstream support.

[naveen572]

I didnt understand when u said mainstream support.Does it mean Linux support? according to newegg buyer review he said like this abt cons of MSI p35 neo-f Mobo
[Cons: It doesn't work with any other operating systems. The Jmicron controller it uses for the sata drives is incompatible with grub loader meaning no linux, virtual server, or any system pretty much other then microsoft will be able to find the hard drives. Jmicron bug (look it up on google)]
that it doesnt suppt Linux distrobution. Does other p35 Mobos suppt Linux especially 64-bit?

[Power_user_EX]

Originally Posted by imgame2

he is not asking about all that u have written he is asking about any mobo with support for 64-bit linux distro ....

Hmmm.... mobo trying to support linux ???

Thats not the way it is dude!

The architectural support is enough for any linux to run on that arch.

Here he wants 64 bit support.

He must know that Linux supports any Intel/IBM 64-bit arch given that that linux distro is 64-bit. Also AFAIK mac uses Linux kernel. The beauty is that it can be ported to any arch.

More over he wants an intel chipset which can run any linux distro till date.

To run 64-bit linux u need x64(emt64/amd64) arch which is the current arch while for 32-bit u need x86.

[imgame2]

what are u trying to say ...???

all the chipset out there support 64 bit computing both from intel and amd so thats not the point ..but linux support is very limited to few mobos ...since its open source ..sometime some mobo gives a problem with a particular linux distro or flavour ...

MSI P45 neo ...infact most of the MSI mobo couldn't install linux ...cos linux distro like Suse 11.0 and ubuntu doesn't recognise SATA drive ..so linux can't be installed on them ...same is the problem with some asus and gigabyte mobo .....hence there are limited number of mobo which run most of the linux flavour out of the box !...most of the time ...slowly the support is added for particular mobos ....

so point is not what u are saying ...

[Hitboxx]

Originally Posted by naveen572

I didnt understand when u said mainstream support.Does it mean Linux support? according to newegg buyer review he said like this abt cons of MSI p35 neo-f Mobo
[Cons: It doesn't work with any other operating systems. The Jmicron controller it uses for the sata drives is incompatible with grub loader meaning no linux, virtual server, or any system pretty much other then microsoft will be able to find the hard drives. Jmicron bug (look it up on google)]
that it doesnt suppt Linux distrobution. Does other p35 Mobos suppt Linux especially 64-bit?

Is that an old motherboard? Because jmicron was an issue back then when Intel shipped the new C2D motherboards but I don't think it is an issue now.

During that time, I used to get around it by passing 3 kernel parameters during boot time.
1) pci=nommconf
2) all-generic-ide
3) irqpoll

This might help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core_2_Duo_Support

[naveen572]

I have read some Ubuntu Forums.it is still an issue. As far i understand it is a bug related to Ubuntu that too to some Mobos. if we dont run any PATA devices it will not occur. but i need to attach my old PATA drive to the new build.

I found this link UbuntuHCL.org which helps in seeing on which motherboard Linux is run. With the help of this plz suggest a good mobo, and a cheap gfx card combined for arnd 6k.

ASUS P5QL PRO- i have found this for arnd $ 85. Other boards arnd this price have some issues as per Newegg review. In UbuntuHCL.org ASUS P5Q is given to be supported. so i think ASUS P5QL PRO is also supported.It has no onboard video. But i can buy some gfx card for arnd 2k

[MetalheadGautham]

Why don't you try AMD then ? It has a very good linux support, especially the 780G boards.

[imgame2]

Originally Posted by naveen572

ASUS P5QL PRO- i have found this for arnd $ 85. Other boards arnd this price have some issues as per Newegg review. In UbuntuHCL.org ASUS P5Q is given to be supported. so i think ASUS P5QL PRO is also supported.It has no onboard video. But i can buy some gfx card for arnd 2k

asus P5Q is 8k and Asus P5Q pro is 8.5k in india ...

[naveen572]

@imgame2
what abt p5k series? they too suppt Ubuntu. whats their cost? is ASUS P5K SE EPU good in p5k?

[imgame2]

there are two models i m aware of from P5k series available India .....P5k for 7.5k and Pk5C 8.5k ....these are near about prices ...another model is based on G33 chipset P5k-VM for about 5.1k ...

[Power_user_EX]

Originally Posted by imgame2

all the chipset out there support 64 bit computing both from intel and amd so thats not the point ..but linux support is very limited to few mobos ...since its open source ..sometime some mobo gives a problem with a particular linux distro or flavour ...

MSI P45 neo ...infact most of the MSI mobo couldn't install linux ...cos linux distro like Suse 11.0 and ubuntu doesn't recognise SATA drive ..so linux can't be installed on them ...same is the problem with some asus and gigabyte mobo .....hence there are limited number of mobo which run most of the linux flavour out of the box !...most of the time ...slowly the support is added for particular mobos ....

so point is not what u are saying ...

I know that the current arch is x64.
AFAIK The prob u r pointing out is due to device driver probs. Patches r available on net for the same. Also , sometimes to install linux on a particular machine u need to take pains coz many a times it just won't install - but saying that i will just reject ur system - is ATM sort of incorrect although its partially correct.U need to tweak some settings here and there to make it run.

Also AFAIK SuSE and RedHat have good hardware detection.

I remember installing the linux mandrake first time on my pc some 5 yrs back. I tried 3 times but install failed - reason : i setup the install config in a wrong manner , for which u need to be precise if the installation asks u for ur h/w config.After loosing all my partitions the 4th time it was atlast installed.

What i mean is that u have to find some way out to install linux distros frm the isos.

Also don't depend on the live CDs coz many times they will not work.

Now about the sata ports on msi broads - i never knew that so thanx for sharing that info.I guess thats bcoz they might be using diff controller for the sata ports.For e.g. for the ports connected to silicon or jMicron controller u need a separate driver to recognize those ports(i.e to say drives) frm linux.

[imgame2]

Originally Posted by Power_user_EX

AFAIK The prob u r pointing out is due to device driver probs. Patches r available on net for the same. Also , sometimes to install linux on a particular machine u need to take pains coz many a times it just won't install - but saying that i will just reject ur system - is ATM sort of incorrect although its partially correct.U need to tweak some settings here and there to make it run.

seriously what are u talking there i did not understand what is correct and whats incorrect!

Also AFAIK SuSE and RedHat have good hardware detection.

they do have better detection but he is talking about ubuntu ...which doesn't have such a great hardware support! fedora core 9.0 might have the best support availble for hardware.

What i mean is that u have to find some way out to install linux distros frm the isos.

how can u install something if it simply doesn't detect ur hard drive(SATA) ????on which u are going to install the OS in first place ??? where are u going to install it ???....perhaps a new kernel will solve the problem with newer architectures ...Linux work differently u need to have latest kernel and the device drivers u want/have and u need to recompile it for ur particular system ...for all the hardware to be recognized and work as they should.Thus the kernal should have the support of latest architecture ..which will come eventually ...for X38,P43,P45,G45 and X48 chipset from intel.

Also don't depend on the live CDs coz many times they will not work.

those days are history now !

Now about the sata ports on msi broads - i never knew that so thanx for sharing that info.I guess thats bcoz they might be using diff controller for the sata ports.For e.g. for the ports connected to silicon or jMicron controller u need a separate driver to recognize those ports(i.e to say drives) frm linux.

its rather general problem of P45 chipset rather than those of MSI boards ..many other P45 chipset based bords doesn't work or support open SuSe 11.0 or Ubuntu out of the box ....AS of now!

and actually many bootloader are not compatible with jMicron SATA/IDE controllers specially GRUB the most common bootloader ...but latest kernal has support to fixed the issue along with latest BIOS support from chipset manufacturer or mobo maker ... still thats not a stale fix AFAIK it works some time and other time it doesn't...there are mobos which simply run out of the box without any issues


look at this link here -

http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/Main_Boards

some motherboards have some issues or others are supported out of the box ..this link will clear ur doubt u have about the question..hopefully

the original poster wants a mobo which runs out of the box ...and thats what he meant by 64 bit support natively....if u see u will find that not all mobo support 64 bit ..or have some issue(labeled with question mark) also it tells u what supports had been added in 11 version of openSUSE ....i hope this will make u clear about what he meant by support of 64 bit linux OS distro support

[Power_user_EX]

Hmmm good info...

Also for ill be trying suse 11 x64 on my p5q deluxe which is p45 based and we'll see what happens. Ill post if it does not or gets installed.

[gary4gar]

Try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport

[acewin]

well whatever anyone says, IMO Linux will get installed well and normal features would be available, except for special Windows features for which driver is given in the driver disc, and this as desi and others said can be done by searching the driver.

But searching specifically for Ubuntu may be a trouble, because I generally(though long back when I used to work linux), most drivers said redhat and fedora and suse or debian, most known and highly used Linux distros.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by acewin

But searching specifically for Ubuntu may be a trouble, because I generally(though long back when I used to work linux), most drivers said redhat and fedora and suse or debian, most known and highly used Linux distros.

Its the reverse today. Ubuntu is the most popular linux distro, and it has support from multi billion dollar companies like Dell.

Things have changed to an extent that Ubuntu .deb packages are not compatible with Debian. Thats the ONE reason I am pissed off at ubuntu. With a small number of software exclusively released as ubuntu .deb files only, its hard to get them on Debian.

[naveen572]

Hello frnds
Thank u for ur replies. I have found this Mobo intel DG45ID which has onboardgraphics and 8gb ram. also at 6.5k. latest Ubuntu 8.10 Alph3 can be used to run it with latest linux kernel. I think this board with e7200 c2d will make a good combination. plz give ur comments

[imgame2]

Originally Posted by naveen572

Hello frnds
Thank u for ur replies. I have found this Mobo intel DG45ID which has onboardgraphics and 8gb ram. also at 6.5k. latest Ubuntu 8.10 Alph3 can be used to run it with latest linux kernel. I think this board with e7200 c2d will make a good combination. plz give ur comments

i knew about this mobo before but i thought u wanted to go with ASUS due to overcloking flexibility ...but if u can live without overclocking.... this mobo is good enough for all ur needs and best part u can add a good gfx card of ur choice later on and as u found out this gets support of ur favourite flavour for linux - ubuntu ...so i guess its cool ..nothing much to say about intel boards..they are very stable almost all the time ..just look for any layout issue this board might have .....

since u specifically look for board which supports Ubuntu ....well choices are narrowed down drastically....otherwise at the budget MSI P45 neo + 7200gs is good enough for starting as later on u will have to upgrade to a better card ...

[naveen572]

@imgame2
Thanx for ur continous help. MSI p35&p45 boards support suse 10.0& 11.0 as enquired in MSI forums. The thing is can i get MSI board+gfx for 6.5k?
what are ur suggestions abt this config especially in increasing price/performance, better components for the same value.also suggest a suitable UPS. i dont know which type of UPS is needed. is wattage of SMPS enough? In addition to below components i have 1 pata hdd of 40gb & i cd-rw drive. Now i use 15" crt monitor. In future i will buy a 17" crt and a gfx card

Intel DG45id board 6400/-
Intel E7200 5475/-
Transcend 2 x 1GB 800Mhz DDR2 2100/-
Seagte 320GB HDD 2450/-
Samsung DVD Writer 1100/-
Zebronics Maharaja 1500/-
CoolerMaster Extreme Power 460W - WRS-460-PCAR-A3 - 2200
Logitech multimedia keyboard: 400rupees
Mouse: Microsoft optical: 400rupees
Back UPS of APC -2,300
total =20,775

[imgame2]

Originally Posted by naveen572

@imgame2
Thanx for ur continous help. MSI p35&p45 boards support suse 10.0& 11.0 as enquired in MSI forums. The thing is can i get MSI board+gfx for 6.5k?
what are ur suggestions abt this config especially in increasing price/performance, better components for the same value.also suggest a suitable UPS. i dont know which type of UPS is needed. is wattage of SMPS enough? In addition to below components i have 1 pata hdd of 40gb & i cd-rw drive. Now i use 15" crt monitor. In future i will buy a 17" crt and a gfx card

Intel DG45id board 6400/-
Intel E7200 5475/-
Transcend 2 x 1GB 800Mhz DDR2 2100/-
Seagte 320GB HDD 2450/-
Samsung DVD Writer 1100/-
Zebronics Maharaja 1500/-
CoolerMaster Extreme Power 460W - WRS-460-PCAR-A3 - 2200
Logitech multimedia keyboard: 400rupees
Mouse: Microsoft optical: 400rupees
Back UPS of APC -2,300
total =20,775

its very good config in ur budget considering u constraint ...i guess 20~21k is the limit u want to buy the stuff if i m not wrong ...??
but before i answer please reply my few queries ..

1) do u want to overclock in future ??
2)do u want to upgrade to a better gfx card in future ??if yes which card ...??

cos a card like HD4850 will need a better PSU ..atleast i will suggest u to get a better one this PSU is bare minimum...if u want to go a card like HD4850..though but if u are planning to buy HD4670 cards i guess this PSU will suffice ... i think u should think about saving money there now ...just use the PSU get with the cabby and later on buy a proper PSU along with the gfx in any case that will be wise cos in ur budget right now i can't see any thing which will need a PSU like that .....(when i bought my upgrade intel DG31PR mobo + E7200,i did not need a new PSU worked fine with old 450W PSU...only when i went for HD4850 i went for good PSU )..so keep that in mind ..i think its always better to go for PSU once u have a good idea about the card u are buying ....
APC 650VA or APC 500 VA should be enough in ur case ..don't know the prices ...but i guess APC 500VA is the one u are talking about at that price ...

and MSI P45 neo costs 5.8k on itwares and 7200GS costs 1.2k at my place total 7k..so about 500/- higher than ur current but much better performance and overclocking flexibility ...

but bear in mind 7200GS is not a powerful card it will simply get ur system up and running and will let u use all the features of windows Vista aero system(thats if u ever go vista way ) but by all means its simply a basic card ! so don't expect any great performance from it ..still u can play old basic games with that on ur 15" monitor ...

but later on i think u might be in a situation to buy 19" LCD ..which i think will be a wiser option .....with whatever card u buy

[NucleusKore]

Processor: AMD AM2
Board: ASUS M2N8-VMX
I am using that

[naveen572]

I will not OC. I dont know abt graphic cards.Do they consume that much power? Now i manage my p3+ 1hdd+512 Sdram+1 cd rw with 250w PSU. anyway i will buy gfx card if i need it for any application like CAD. How much power it needs i dont know.
Regarding writer i want a DVD & CD combo RW. which company is good? can i cut short on RAM by getting 1 single stick? how much will it effect performance? any other refining required.plz suggest.

@NucleusKore
Thanx .But i have decided on intel setup already

Now while reading abt intel g45 Mobo it is given that it has no IDE port at all. Then what abt my old PATA HDD? can i transfer its data to new sata hdd and how?

[imgame2]

Originally Posted by naveen572

I will not OC. I dont know abt graphic cards.Do they consume that much power? Now i manage my p3+ 1hdd+512 Sdram+1 cd rw with 250w PSU. anyway i will buy gfx card if i need it for any application like CAD. How much power it needs i dont know.
Regarding writer i want a DVD & CD combo RW. which company is good? can i cut short on RAM by getting 1 single stick? how much will it effect performance? any other refining required.plz suggest.

@NucleusKore
Thanx .But i have decided on intel setup already

if u will not OC ..then that mobo is good enough for u ....and actually gfx card the higher end ones consume considerable power ... just to show u how much they use the power ...look here

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/486/15/

and i m not talking about 250 W power supply ..i m talking average power supply u get with ur cabinet ..thats more than enough for ur use ...i m talking about zebronics 450W that comes with the cabinet is more than enough ...though i don't know if maharaja comes with it ...but they are enough for ur system ...a good higher performance power supply is required for higher system performance ..when u add a high performing gfx card and overclock ur CPU ..

having said that i m not saying going for CMextreme 460W is bad idea ..its good thing if u can afford it ...but in ur case i think u can spend that money somewhere else ..may be save and get 19" LCD .....

since u don't want a gfx card i don't think there is any point suggesting u the option of MSI P45 neo ...cos its not worth since u are not going to overclock ...

go for the mobo u have chosen mobo the G45 chipset based and lateron buy a gfx card when u need and a 19" LCD ...(not 17" CRT )

if u only want to go for CAD i don't think u will ever need a gfx card the onboard gfx of G45 chipset is good ..GMA X4500 can do a lot for u ..... and if i were u ..i would save on PSU and gfx card and get 19" LCD (i know i m saying it again and again ..but they are going to be quite a standard soon so please consider them)

regarding DVD writer i guess go for moserbear/Liteon ones they don't face any problem so far i have heard ....don't go for sony and samsung ..they have countless issues ....i have an asus one its works fine for me

go for a single stick now ...as going for two stick will simply take up space and lateron will make them obsolute since ...memory is getting cheaper ..go for transcend 800 MHz 2Gb ...well nothing much performance difference since both are almost same ...but adding 2GB stick now will be better idea cos later on when u have money u can add 2GB more ...and thus u will be utilising full 8Gb some day and nothing will go waste ..

all this consedring u are not for MSI neo P45 ....since u don't need a gfx card but if u are going then i think its wise to go for Asus 8600GT 256 MBDDR3 @3k rather than 7200gs ...anyday ...

[acewin]

just adding to ingame2 we ahve a very good 400W PSU from Antec in 800-900 bucks use this without thinking with the GFX card recommended by ingame2 except for cards like 9600GT and HD4850 and better. will suffice your needs, and also save up if you ever think to addon a high end GPU with a new PSU supporting the power reqs( you will need minimum of 400W PSU to run your system of config being suggested here even if not OCing)

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

Its the reverse today. Ubuntu is the most popular linux distro, and it has support from multi billion dollar companies like Dell.

Things have changed to an extent that Ubuntu .deb packages are not compatible with Debian. Thats the ONE reason I am pissed off at ubuntu. With a small number of software exclusively released as ubuntu .deb files only, its hard to get them on Debian.

yeah 2 years is long time, havent worked on Linux since long cannot install them on my office machines and do not have one of my own. Back at that time Redhat released new fedora versions each 6-8 months. Ubuntu was just new. And we used Suse mostly because our insti had a registered version of it, and installint it was very easy, and Windows NTFS format was supported by SuSE so data on windows drives could easily be taken.

Now I even do not know what features Ubuntu has in it, I really liked testing new Linux distros, and formatted my system like each month

SuSE became Opensource already one and half year back.

waiting to build one rig of my own, saving up money.

[naveen572]

Hello guys
Iam back to square one. Intel Mobo has no 100% SOLID polymer capacitors for long life.
I got this alternative ASUS p5k-vm at 5.1k,100% solid,8gbram,onboard graphics,
linux compatible,1 pci-ex16 slot. in addition 2 pci,1 pci-e x 4(not 1). microATX.
can i go with this one? any major cons for this? plz give ur suggestions.