e2180 or e4500?

[neeru_igi]

why is the e2180 2k/- cheaper than e4500 ?does it have worser perfrmancethan the latter?

im trying to find a good combination to upgrade my cpu/tower/rig (only) on a (very) tight budget.this setup will be mainly using for gaming & other home uses.
heres my list

C2d e4500 or e2180
dg31pr(most probably) or dg33fb mobo
1gb ram(maybe 2gb ,depends on final bill)
250 G HDD
nvidia 8400gs gfx(i have to consider the budget.)
PSU+ATX=1000 rs

budget=rs 15000/- (max) suggestion for improvements are welcome.im in malappuram,kerala so please suggest commonly available components.
whats the difference between dg31pr and dg33fb ?takin into account price and performance,which one is better?

[kooki]

- ive used both the e2180 and e4500. the main difference is the l2 cache size which is 1 and 2 mb. in real world usage i didnt notice any diff at all. if ur on a budget, get teh e2180. its really good.
- im using the DG31PR mobo with a q6600 proc, and its really stable n good. the diff between the dg31 and dg33 is the southbridge (ICH7vsICH9) and dg33 has 4 slots for ram, while dg31 has 2. get the dg31pr again if ur on a budget.
also get 2 gigs of ram. its a must if u running vista.

[saqib_khan]

Yes, E2180 has more VFM, buy it, i strongly recommend for u.

And yes min 2 GB RAM.

Save money in Processor & add it in RAM. I GB DDR2 667 Mhz will cost u 950 Rs.

[Pathik]

Neither. Wait for sometime and get the e7200.

[hellgate]

my suggestion is if u can wait then do as Pathik has swaid else u can go for the following config:
1>E2160 - 2.9k
2>abit IP35-E - 5.4k
3>2*1GB DDR2 667 - 1.8k
4>250GB Seagate - 2.4k
5>8400GS - 2.2k
6>PSU + Cabby - 1.2k
total is 15.9k

another optionj is get a Biostar GF7050V-M7 fdor 2.3k instead of IP35-E and spend the rest 2.2k to get a 8600GT.overall gamin g performance will be better in this case.

[saqib_khan]

Pathik is e7200 launched??

Here is a review of it

If launched then wat is the price? Xbitlabs quotes a price of 133 $. If u convert it in INR it will be around 5320 Rs.

So, I think that's heavy on wallet.

[neeru_igi]

thank you all for your quick responses.
@kooki is there any diff in video encoding speeds?
@hellgate ip35-e sounds expensive at 5k&im not sure i can get my hands on biostar
@khan what is VFM?
@pathik when'll it be released?if its @5k then i may not be able to buy it

[axxo]

I run e2160 @ 3.4ghz..beats e8200 hands down in every bench...
E2180 is Rs.600 more than E2160...only for 200mhz increase, which you could very well reach in overclocking.

[saqib_khan]

@axxo can u tell the temp it goes under heavy load??

@neeru_igi VFM means Value for Money.

[Pathik]

It will be released soon. Should be $113 on release. The cheapest penryn.

[hellgate]

AFAIK it'll be released in Q3 2008.

[Pathik]

Yea. July or August maybe. Isn't it soon enuf?

[MetalheadGautham]

E7200 may be the cheapest penryn, but its still nearly 5k.

I wonder when e31(4/6/8)0 will come out, the penryn version of e21(4/6/8)0.

It will definitely be able to OC much more than the 2 series, and hence at 55$ it will make the ultimate Processor to own for the guy who KNOWS how to OC. But then, the intel mobo won't be of any use as its worthless for OCers and you need softwares to do the OCing for you.

[kooki]

i have not tried them while vid encoding so i cant say. what i can tell u is the e2180 is a best bang for buck u can get out there. there is a 5-10% diff in performance MAX between the e2180 and e4500.
ive been using the DG31PR mobo and have had 0 probs with it. its simple stable and easy to install. plus it supports quad core if u wanna upgrade in the future. the DG33 is a better board, but u can invest the money u saved in another gb of ram. it will make a BIGGER difference in performance. ( in vista especially)
if ur on a budget, and are not into overclocking n stuff, this is the best buy for u. i have had some really good experience with these products. it JUST works, if thats what ur looking for.

e2180- 3300
DG31PR-3750
2x1gb trancend ram- 2100
seagate 250gb - 2500
xfx8400gs- 2050
zebronics lava +psu - 1500

total- 15200

[neeru_igi]

thanx again guys.ithink ill get the 2180
not that im into overclocking,ive heard that intel boards do not allow OCing.is it true?does it apply for dg31pr?
also taking in hellgates advice i think i'll choose a 8600gt or an 8500gt rather than the 8400gs & (a pricier board).Any suggetions on a cheaper (~2.5k) board?

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by neeru_igi

thanx again guys.ithink ill get the 2180
not that im into overclocking,ive heard that intel boards do not allow OCing.is it true?does it apply for dg31pr?
also taking in hellgates advice i think i'll choose a 8600gt or an 8500gt rather than the 8400gs & (a pricier board).Any suggetions on a cheaper (~2.5k) board?

If you want OCing, go for XFX 630i motherboard, which is very cheap (~3k) and has brilliant better than gma x3100 onboard graphics(nVidia 7050) and support to OC.

but it lacks dual channel support, so beware.

And you can go fo E2140, aneven more cheaper processor, which can be effortlessly taken up to 3.0 GHz by OCing.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by neeru_igi

not that im into overclocking,ive heard that intel boards do not allow OCing.is it true?does it apply for dg31pr?

U cannot over clock on Intel DG31PR.

also taking in hellgates advice i think i'll choose a 8600gt or an 8500gt rather than the 8400gs & (a pricier board).Any suggetions on a cheaper (~2.5k) board?

Radeon HD 3450 or better yet, Radeon HD 3650.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

U cannot over clock on Intel DG31PR.

http://www.overclock.net/intel-mothe...rclock-my.html

[gxsaurav]

Ok, correction, I cannot over clock on intel

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Ok, correction, I cannot over clock on intel

here it is:
http://www.brothersoft.com/clockgen-download-68338.html


try and tell me if your speed could atleast slightly increase.
its 337 kb download
clockgen its called.

If it works well, I am going to write a tutorial

[gxsaurav]

Doesn't work here

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Doesn't work here

why ??

[confused]

Originally Posted by axxo

I run e2160 @ 3.4ghz..beats e8200 hands down in every bench...
E2180 is Rs.600 more than E2160...only for 200mhz increase, which you could very well reach in overclocking.

what cooling are you using???

i have more or less, decided on buying E2180 as a interim arrangement, since i have already waited for Q9450 for over 10 days.

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

If you want OCing, go for XFX 630i motherboard, which is very cheap (~3k) and has brilliant better than gma x3100 onboard graphics(nVidia 7050) and support to OC.

With a pentium dual core proc. overclocking I'd suggest you stay away from this board. While the x3100 is much better (is dx10 compat.) than 630i onboard, intel boards lack overclockability. I'd suggest you either buy Gigabyte G33 or P35 based boards if Abit IP35 is costly.

[hellgate]

^^^ i think Gigabyte P35 based mobo wud be pricier than abit IP35-E.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

With a pentium dual core proc. overclocking I'd suggest you stay away from this board. While the x3100 is much better (is dx10 compat.) than 630i onboard, intel boards lack overclockability. I'd suggest you either buy Gigabyte G33 or P35 based boards if Abit IP35 is costly.

what about axxo's biostar mobo ?
he says his E2160 runs at 3.4 GHz with stock cooling.

Originally Posted by hellgate

^^^ i think Gigabyte P35 based mobo wud be pricier than abit IP35-E.

ASUS ? It is soon going to have splashdot, a must feature which should have been on all motherboards since the year 2000 but is being concidered only recently.

[keith_j_snyder2]

Dude i think i missed it, but L2 Cache matters in gaming. More L2 Cache gives better performance in gaming.

E2160/80 is a good economic alternative but E4500 has more L2 Cache.

Fahd.Malik has got E7200 for 5700/- from SMC.

[confused]

Originally Posted by keith_j_snyder2

Dude i think i missed it, but L2 Cache matters in gaming. More L2 Cache gives better performance in gaming.

E2160/80 is a good economic alternative but E4500 has more L2 Cache.

Fahd.Malik has got E7200 for 5700/- from SMC.

ok, then i have a question:is it worth paying 3k more to buy q9450 (12mb l2 cache) over q9300 (6mb l2 cache)???

[keith_j_snyder2]

Originally Posted by confused

ok, then i have a question:is it worth paying 3k more to buy q9450 (12mb l2 cache) over q9300 (6mb l2 cache)???

It's worth every single penny!

[MetalheadGautham]

one last thing I want to say here if you are buying E2180:

E2180 is much more costlier than E2160, while offering only a 200MHz increase in clock speed.

E2140 - 1.6GHz - Rs. 2500
E2160 - 1.8GHz - Rs. 2700
E2180 - 2.0GHz - Rs. 3300

as you can see, the first two are much more VFM compared to the third. As usual, intel is phasing out the first to and introducing the third only to extract more money from us.

Its a fact that E2160 can effortlessly go beyond E2180's clock speed, and can safely reach 2.4GHz and can go upto 3.4GHz safely with stock cooling.

The same goes for E2140.

So I recomend that you buy one of the first two instead of the second.

And about the importance of L2 cache, the 1mb extra l2 isn't worth the 2500 extra you spend on E4500. It hardly influences the performance in games, especially so when compared to the increase offered by spending that extra cash on getting a better GPU.

But the same case is not valid for the quad core, where 3k more is to be paid for getting 6mb more l2 cache for a quad core cpu. Those are performance CPUs, and with 4 cores, every mb of l2 cache matters, and hence 3k for 6mb l2 extra is worth every bit of the money you pay.

My current advice to you: buy the E2160 or E2140 first, get a cheap and good quality OverClocker approved motherboard, and use the money you save from buying E2160 on either getting a better board(recomended if no GPU) or a better GPU, if you are buying it, or just save it for the future.
Later, you can buy the Q3450.

Here is a thread by a user called aXXo, who set up one of the most perfect budget OverClocked systems ever, and enjoys a great performance from his CPU.
Biostar TP35D2-A7 + Intel E2160 overclocking
take a look there and see if you are upto it, because if so, just follow his steps(as he was successful) and you may have an uber rig.