Point of view cards

[gary4gar]

i am thinking of buying a NVIDIA 7300 GT 512mb AGP

the card maker is point of view, it gives 3 year warranty.

my dealer quoted me 3200/-
good deal or bad?


also i need a 400w psu atleast as currently i have 300w so i am getting zebronics 400w for 410/-



i basically wanted to know the reputation of both brands

my config
AMD athlon 3000+ 754pin
msi-k8mm-v
1 gb ram

[dOm1naTOr]

Its better idea to go for cards like 8400Gt for 3k. Its much better than 7300GT.
Or get at least 8500GT for 4k.
Zeb 400w can easily handle those cards.
If its for gaming, then i recommend at least an 8600GT for 5.5~6k.

[Harvik780]

Point Of View is a good brand.Tirupati is the official wholesaler of POV products.
U can easily get 8400GS for less price which performs equivalent of the 7300GT.

[gary4gar]

did you guys heard about AGP?
i am still stuck with,


reason for buying a new card: my current one VIA Unichome IGP pro is cr@p.
its not supported on linux, and has a crappy driver for even windows, hangs in middle, hence i need a new card

[Ankur Gupta]

I would say it is a good deal.
But 512MB is useless for such a card..
Get a better brand 256MB 7300GT...

[gary4gar]

can't find a 256mb version
the only one available is 512mb,
btw where do we need more memory?

also how 512mb = 256mb sounds strange to me

[dOm1naTOr]

hi sorry....
get 7600GS AGP. Its somewhat 3.5k and is much better than 7300GT. And as Ankur said, 512MB is waste. Go for 256Mb model, for ny cards in that range.
If u wand better future proof, then get ATI HD 2400XT or HD 2600Pro. They are DX 10.0 ready nd even HD 2400XT is better than 7300GT. 2400XT is for some 3.5k range.

GPU's like 7300,7600, 8400, 8500 nd 8600 can't utilize 512 MB effectively. This is coz, the video memory is used for storing textures nd other data in games nd all this has to be processed by GPU. The problem for such cards is the textures take much more to process[due to weak GPU compared to 7900 or 8800] than to store into or access from vidmem. So 512 MB is only needed for more powerful GPU cards like a 7900GS atleast as far as gaming is concerned.
But in animation purposes maybe 512DDR2 is better than 256DDR3.

Also even if the card is a GT, the 256MB one will have GDDR3 while 512 version will have DDR2 to bring down the cost. DDR3 has much higher bandwidth than DDR2, so in games, the DDR3 one ll be much faster than DDR2 one whether its 256 or 512. Hope u get the point.

[gary4gar]

Originally Posted by aravind_n20

hi sorry....
get 7600GS AGP. Its somewhat 3.5k and is much better than 7300GT. And as Ankur said, 512MB is waste. Go for 256Mb model, for ny cards in that range.
If u wand better future proof, then get ATI HD 2400XT or HD 2600Pro. They are DX 10.0 ready nd even HD 2400XT is better than 7300GT. 2400XT is for some 3.5k range.

GPU's like 7300,7600, 8400, 8500 nd 8600 can't utilize 512 MB effectively. This is coz, the video memory is used for storing textures nd other data in games nd all this has to be processed by GPU. The problem for such cards is the textures take much more to process[due to weak GPU compared to 7900 or 8800] than to store into or access from vidmem. So 512 MB is only needed for more powerful GPU cards like a 7900GS atleast as far as gaming is concerned.
But in animation purposes maybe 512DDR2 is better than 256DDR3.

Also even if the card is a GT, the 256MB one will have GDDR3 while 512 version will have DDR2 to bring down the cost. DDR3 has much higher bandwidth than DDR2, so in games, the DDR3 one ll be much faster than DDR2 one whether its 256 or 512. Hope u get the point.

ATI cards are not supported well on Linux, so i am sticking to nvidia.

also 7600GS is not available

should i get a 7300gt 256mb which costs just 200bucks lower than the 512mb version.

[dOm1naTOr]

@gary4gar
yup, 256 ll be better. First check which one has DDR3 nd take that one whether its 256 or 512. It dun matter if both are DDR3, chose according to budget then.

[gary4gar]

possibly its this one
http://www.pointofview-online.com/de...content_id=142

please suggest, 256 or 512?

[Choto Cheeta]

Why not the 8400GS as suggest previouslly ?? 512MB for a 7300 is really weste of vRAM

[Ankur Gupta]

^^Coz he wants a AGP card

[Harvik780]

Also havin used so many cards myself i recommend a higher vRam even if the cards slow because memory bandwidth is related to memory+core and not memory alone.Its better he has more vRam so that he can store more textures and then only will his bandwidth be viable to the core.

[Choto Cheeta]

ohh !! Better wait to increase the budget to replace the system as really its not a good idea to actually invest in AGP Grfx Card

Sempron 3200+ @ 1050/- + TAX
MSI M9AGM2 @ Rs. 2400/- + TAX

would run far better than your present system

[Ankur Gupta]

^^All this just to enable casual graphics in linux??
I think AGP is better as he has no intentions of gaming!

[Choto Cheeta]

^^All this just to enable casual graphics in linux??

why not a 6200 LE then Rs. 1600/- to 1800/- I guess

[dOm1naTOr]

@Harvik780
why store so much textures if the GPU can't process a quater of it in time? So What is required is a fast vram, i think even 256 is overkill.
In previous generation[GF6] also, in cards like 6600GT, higher memory clocked 128Mb version surpassed 256versions in performance by a lil margin.
BTW 7300GT isn't even powerfl as older 6600GT. So its vram requirements comes nowhere near 256. But 7300GT come in 256 nd 512 only. So 256 DDR3 ll be sufficient.
Also so much texture come only at higher resolution. 256 is more than enuf for textures of all gmes @ upto 1280*1024. And DDR3 oc better.

hey in the link, its given DDR2. Dun know if 7300Gt 256 also come in DDR2? Can nybody confirm.

[Harvik780]

Its not us who decide but the company who makes these chips,they study closely what factors effect performance,if 256MB is better theoretically that's what they place.If 256MB was placed on a chip it was certainly for a reason maybe to play older games at a resolution on 1600*1200.
Even the Geforce 2 Ultra had a 256MB version.

[Ankur Gupta]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

why not a 6200 LE then Rs. 1600/- to 1800/- I guess

Coz future versions of linux might need better graphics than that to display all the eye candy smoothly

[Choto Cheeta]

@Ankur Gupta

as when we are talking about Future then why not switching to AM2 platform ? where now we have some really power saver processors from AMD !!!

yeah budget is a concern thats why I said one may wait to increase their budget

By the way, if Vista runs coool with 6200 LE then I dont think there would be any Linux which would need a better grfx card than vista

[dOm1naTOr]

Yup, with an M2N MXSE onboard gfx, he can have a Sm 3.0 gfx nd features which is worth the price of 2.5k. It is decent enuf if not into gaming. And u can get nvidia driver supports in linux too as they have unified drivers.

[praka123]

I'll say,@gary!ur mobo is a bottle neck!agp is getting(got) obsolete!also,new nvidia drivers supports 8xxx series cards in Linux!

[gary4gar]

hmmmm....you guys have confused me
i was going to buy it today itself, but i guess i will wait for few more days, i will evaluate both the situations and decide accordingly .


ok first guide me, now i have two options:-


1) Add a display card+PSU= total cost 3.5k
simple & but obsolete hardware, can be still used for p2p,web browsing, emailing etc etc


2) Replace CPU+MOBO+RAM+PSU(as I only have a 300w psu)
my PC runs daily about 15hrs, so power is concern, ATM my cpu runs at 50% power almost 90% time, yeah but sometimes i also runs cpu intensive tasks like encoding & decoding, Visualization, compiling source code etc etc, as i also need a good power too
the main questions are

• what performance gain do i get?
• how much money do i have to spend?

Present config
AMD athlon 64 3000+(754pin)
MSI-K8mm-v
1 GB DDR 400MHZ RAM
80+320+80+80 gb HDD

[FilledVoid]

1) Add a display card+PSU= total cost 3.5k
simple & but obsolete hardware, can be still used for p2p,web browsing, emailing etc etc

Yes good idea if you dont want to future proof your system. Although it satisfies your initial requirements, it becomes to what as I call "Dead Money" how long do you intend to keep your agp setup? What happens when AGP goes kaput and availability becomes worse?

2) Replace CPU+MOBO+RAM+PSU(as I only have a 300w psu)
my PC runs daily about 15hrs, so power is concern, ATM my cpu runs at 50% power almost 90% time, yeah but sometimes i also runs cpu intensive tasks like encoding & decoding, Visualization, compiling source code etc etc, as i also need a good power too
the main questions are

Depends on the processor you are buying I had the same setup I believe I have told you on IRC before. You can keep the disks and other stuff. The Asus M2N MX SE can let yopu even play FEAR at playable rates at low settings. You get a Pci Ex slot. Your system is much more upto date I would say and is a bit more future proof. Not to mention that would allow you to burn your previous board which uses VIA . Just kidding sell it for additional money of course. The performance increase is noticeable. However when you are dealing with Day to day tasks like browsing , writing a document or just listening to a song I doubt you will notice it.

[dOm1naTOr]

This config has gud vfm + decent performance + a power saver+ runs cool.
X2 4000+: 2.5k
M2N MX: 2.5k
1G DDR2: 0.9k
PSU: 0.4k
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6.4k
U can also go for Sempron 3200+ for 1.1k
2days Sempron 3200+ delivers more power than ur current 3000+, but not much difference. I prefer a dual core.

Also u can get at least 2~3 k by selling ur current config.[give away one 80Gb with it]

[FilledVoid]

+1 ^ But I prefer the X2 Processor rather than Sempron. Then you can install AMD 64 distro on your CPU (Insert maniacal laugh here, then you could send me all the packages you download and I wouldnt have to kill my download quote over it )

[dOm1naTOr]

offtopic: @exx_2000
where from Kerala r u?

[gary4gar]

well what if i buy a cheepo card?
like 5200 or 6200 for now?
and start saving for a new PC?

[dOm1naTOr]

@gary4gar
ya its a gud idea, get a second nvidia AGP or a new 6200 for less than 2k.

[gary4gar]

ok, now i am going to market, lets see if i find a 6200, probably will buy that
will keep you guys updated

one last thing,
128mb version or 256 mb version of 6200?