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Old 26-08-2007, 02:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I want specifications(ratings of amps etc) of
VIP / powersafe 500watt SMPS
VIP / Powersafe 600watt SMPS


i have googled as well as searched digit but in vain


i wish to run two 8800 in SLI
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Old 26-08-2007, 02:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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get Zeb 730 Diamond. Its proven much stable by CHIP mag. Its as stable as Antec Neo power or trio. And SLI sertified too

http://www.zebronics.net/zeb-730w-spec.asp
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i would prefer VIP or powersafe as they are VFM whereas Antech Zebronics etc are a rip off
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well if ur running 2 8800s in SLI you oughta get a PSU with much more stable rails .. And IMO the Powersafe/Vip ones aint that stable and are just single rail ones...
Spend a bit more and go for a Coolermaster Extreme Power 500 or 600W if ur on a budget, it'll do u good..

Look here for a tiered rating of the various PSUs and see where Zebronics stands... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=108088
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Its mentioning bout normal CM nd Zebronics PSU.
CM's Extreme Power and Zeb Diamond 730 is as stable as the Antec or OCZ.
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Dunno abt that, not had any personal experience with zebronics, so can't comment much either.. But the CM Extreme Power being a Seventeam OEM and considering Seventeam's reliability I personally would go with it any day if i need a budget PSU..

Btw Oodibaba hasn't stated which 8800s he's planning to use in SLI.. If its the GTX() then I'd recommend he not look at either Zebronics or CM Extreme Pwr and go for a Corsair HX or OCZ GameXstream instead(the money spent will be worth it).. If its the GTS then Zeb or CM would do..
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^^Agreed but I dont think u can go abt comparin the Zebbys n Xtreme power with tha premium ones such as Antecs, corsairs...

@oodibaba- I jus know dat the Powersafe 600W has dual 12v rails havin 22A..
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And IMO the Powersafe/Vip ones aint that stable and are just single rail ones...
I think Powesafce have Dual Rail, check with Official Site for Powersafe
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Dunno abt that, not had any personal experience with zebronics, so can't comment much either.. But the CM Extreme Power being a Seventeam OEM and considering Seventeam's reliability I personally would go with it any day if i need a budget PSU..
u sure abt that buddy

Btw Oodibaba hasn't stated which 8800s he's planning to use in SLI.. If its the GTX() then I'd recommend he not look at either Zebronics or CM Extreme Pwr and go for a Corsair HX or OCZ GameXstream instead(the money spent will be worth it).. If its the GTS then Zeb or CM would do..
U sure that they are seventeam OEMS....

BTW m getting the two EVGA 8800 GTS's (640MB) from US


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well if ur running 2 8800s in SLI you oughta get a PSU with much more stable rails .. And IMO the Powersafe/Vip ones aint that stable and are just single rail ones...
Spend a bit more and go for a Coolermaster Extreme Power 500 or 600W if ur on a budget, it'll do u good..

Look here for a tiered rating of the various PSUs and see where Zebronics stands... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=108088
even the power safe 300 watt smps has dual rails (13A and 9 A)

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i wanted to know the ratings of VIP 500watt smps coz the coolermasters have 18Amps on each rail..so if VIPs have higher ratings then i would prefer those what say people

and people please consider i ve 4 hardisks running on raid 0 and 2 optical drives and 4 fans running

and ya forgot to mention powersafe VIP smps's have 3 year warranty

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ull need at least 650w PSU to support all dat loads.

As u gonna get da card from US, why not get the PSu also from there?
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U sure that they are seventeam OEMS....
Yes i'm sure.. But just read that it is a Seventeam ST-500BKV one and gives a peak output of only 530W... Dunno y CM has relabelled it 600 though...

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even the power safe 300 watt smps has dual rails (13A and 9 A)
Are u sure? Coz according to this.. http://www.kunhar.com/vipcabinets/do...sion-chart.pdf even Powersafe 400W has a single rail.. So i doubt if 300W would be having dual, haven't seen the ratings of that yet though...

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ull need at least 650w PSU to support all dat loads.
As u gonna get da card from US, why not get the PSu also from there?
i agree... plus u haven't told us what processor you got.. considering you have a C2D you would need at least a min of 600W(if not more)..

See here for more info on choosing a PSU .. http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.p...t=36&subpage=1 (got this thanks to Eazy@TE)...
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ooooff hoo,all u need is a true rated Corsair HX620w.It will be more than enough for ur need.It has 50amp of total current on the 12v rails and has two pci-express power connectors for SLI(theoretical output 900watt and real output 600watt).Its SLI certified and can support upto two 8800 GTX in SLI.Its efficiency is 85%.It costs Rs7,800 including tax and is available from tirupati enterprices.Close ur eyes and take it.For ur system this is what u need anything below just won't do justice.
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^^^ exactly wat i've been wanting to say from the beginning.. but everyone's after powersafes & vips here...!!! btw Harvik the HX 620's price has dropped a bit .. can be got for arnd 7k depending in which city u are...

Edit : @oodibaba here's the review to help u out.. http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=32
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Are u sure? Coz according to this.. http://www.kunhar.com/vipcabinets/do...sion-chart.pdf even Powersafe 400W has a single rail.. So i doubt if 300W would be having dual, haven't seen the ratings of that yet though...
i saw a VIP 300W psu it had 2 rails here r the specs

+3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 -12V +5VSB
18A 12A 8A 13A 0.3A 2.5A

dunno when kunhar last updated their site...
and that comparision chart sucks its quite old
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i agree... plus u haven't told us what processor you got.. considering you have a C2D you would need at least a min of 600W(if not more)..
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for calculating the required rating for PSU check out dis:

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp

and use the power consumption calculator nd post the result also.

My power consumption at peak load is 610W according to da calculator.
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so powersafe is not a good brand ..hmmm
ok will opt for corsair then
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so powersafe is not a good brand
It is good, reputed and reliable INDIAN brand, but may be not SUIT to your requirements.

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Man Powersafe @3500 while corsair is near by @7000/- or less, how can you expect same PERFORMANCE at 50% reduce rate with Powersafe.
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so powersafe is not a good brand ..hmmm
ok will opt for corsair then
Yes opt for corsair.It comes with 5 year warranty and can support excellent stability for extreme overclocking.It has modular cables which means u can add the cables u need and disconnect the ones u don't.I would also like to suggest u not to opt for other cheap components,get good quality ram(transend or kingston) and atleast a zebronics geforce cabinet or if u like to go for more i suggest Antec cabinets.
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is corsair available with rashi peripherals
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nowadays some kingston memories [DDR2 667] comes with Hynix chips in it. They are no gud. Sure they have quality, but u can't oc them or optimise the latencies, but all transcent modules carry jetram chips, so gud OC is guarenteed.
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nowadays some kingston memories [DDR2 667] comes with Hynix chips in it. They are no gud. Sure they have quality, but u can't oc them or optimise the latencies, but all transcent modules carry fetram chips, so gud OC is guarenteed.
But Some Kingston memories are oc friendly.
Noted that,thanks.
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but all transcent modules carry jetram chips, so gud OC is guarenteed.
transcend 800 Mhz i GB RAM is available for 2100 Rs...i got one stick 2 weeks back
so is this a overclockable safely ???
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transcend 800 Mhz i GB RAM is available for 2100 Rs...i got one stick 2 weeks back
so is this a overclockable safely ???
I don't know about there overclockability but u will only reach their peak performance in dual channel mode with an FSB of 1600Mhz which is available with the new line of intel processors set to release this november(peryln i guess).
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People i think we r discussing regarding SMPS here....
anyway thankx for the info
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People i think we r discussing regarding SMPS here....
anyway thankx for the info
Have u ordered for the Corsair HX620W.
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I dunno where to get it local vendors dont have it
I wanna know if rashi peripherals markets it coz then i can order it from rashi
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I dunno where to get it local vendors dont have it
I wanna know if rashi peripherals markets it coz then i can order it from rashi
Even in my area no one had the corsair HX620W so i called tirupati Delhi office and told them about my area,they immediately gave me the phone number of the vendor in my area.I am giving u the number,use it,and rashi does not deal with power supplies.

Tirupati Delhi Number-
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http://www.tirupati.net/about.html

U don't have to bother where they are,just where their vendors are.

Edit:The numbers are not working now for Delhi and mumbai,for me,check it urself.
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I know nothing about power supply/SMPS. I need a new one as old one seems to be damaged. I have D845GVSR and P4, 512 MB RAM,120 GB HDD , 17'' CRT monitor, 2600 watt speakers. Please suggest me a good power supply with all the specifications of power supply, I need to tell the vendor .
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I know nothing about power supply/SMPS. I need a new one as old one seems to be damaged. I have D845GVSR and P4, 512 MB RAM,120 GB HDD , 17'' CRT monitor, 2600 watt speakers. Please suggest me a good power supply with all the specifications of power supply, I need to tell the vendor .
A regular Zebronics 400Watt which comes for Rs600 will be sufficient as u have an old pc.
I could not find the specs but it should suffice.
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I know nothing about power supply/SMPS. I need a new one as old one seems to be damaged. I have D845GVSR and P4, 512 MB RAM,120 GB HDD , 17'' CRT monitor, 2600 watt speakers. Please suggest me a good power supply with all the specifications of power supply, I need to tell the vendor .
The PSU has nothing to do with monitor and speakers which are powered by AC.(Either UPS or mains)
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