Difference between these 2 HCL computers?

[The Unknown]

Which one is better from the following for simple home use i.e. Documents, Spreadsheets, presentations, Web-Surfing, Web-Programming, Animations.

1.

• CPU: Pentium D 960 3.0 Ghz
• 512 mb ram
• 160 gb hdd
• Vista Home Basic Legal
• DVD-RW
• TFT 15" monitor
• Price: Rs. 31, 500 (Vista legal license incl.)

2.

• CPU: Core 2 Duo 1.86 Ghz 1066 Mhz FSB
• 512 Mb RAM
• 160 GB HDD
• CRT 17" Monitor
• Linux
• Rs 4500 Windows XP legal license
• DVD-RW
• Total Price: Rs 36, 600

For TFT monitor 2000/4000 extra in the second one. Which one is more relaible. Does Vista has any problems or will it be slow?

We already know to use Windows XP and it is ok. Will there be any problems with Vista?

Answers Required Immediately

[gannu_rox]

Originally Posted by The Unknown

Which one is better from the following for simple home use i.e. Documents, Spreadsheets, presentations, Web-Surfing, Web-Programming, Animations.

Hopin dat the gfx'x ok with d first rig, dat shud be fine fer the above mentioned apps n strictly not fer gamin n HD purposes...

Fer animations perhaps a gfx card mite make d scenario better..

Why spend unnecesarily fer a license of XP n vista fer the 2nd....

^^^ also add nother 512MB with d first rig so dat vista runs better....

[infra_red_dude]

pentium D and core 2 duo? no comparison!! pentium D was a joke! a black spot in the name of dual core! get a core2duo based machince widout doubt!

[gannu_rox]

^^^ Yeah rite... We're fools here or wat???

He mite be lookin fer VFM dood...

Else wud he himself go fer a comparison?? look at the apps he's gona run... Wud tat really demand C2D afta all???

[infra_red_dude]

when he's ready to spend upto 31k (and i believe a P D is not worth that), why not get a C2D. he may not require all that power now but he also wudn't like to change/upgrade jus in the near future.of corz for the tasks he's mentioned even a celeron 2ghz is more than sufficient. i jus kept in mind abt the future and suggested its not wise to go for P D and also the fact that he'll hafta shell out 31k for it!!!

[gannu_rox]

^^^ Out of the above 2 rigs, fer VFM D PD is more than enuf... Besides XP fer 41k nett... So its wise fer 31k...

[Choto Cheeta]

Going Off topic, do go for HCL

as they cheat a lot...

Why saying that ?? Ur HCL Core 2 Duo wont perform as a real core 2 duo based PC !!!

Why ?? because see ask them what is the Mobo ?? with C2D u must have atleast one G965RY !!! but what HCL gives is a very poor 946 based mobo !!!

which is injustice to C2D !!!

so if u have to go with HCL i would suggest get the Pentium D based one...

also, The model number is false, Pentium 960 runs at 3.6 GHz and would be costly than C2D E6300

the Pentium D 3.0GHz models are, http://www.intel.com/products/proces.../pentium_d.htm

[The Unknown]

thanks. some more suggestions? Also whay Core 2 Duo is better than Pentium D. What is the feature of Core 2 Duo 1.86 Ghz that makes it faster than Pentium D 3.0 Ghz.

[clmlbx]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

Why ?? because see ask them what is the Mobo ?? with C2D u must have atleast one G965RY !!! but what HCL gives is a very poor 946 based mobo !!!

SO , I JUST BOUGHT E4300 WITH INTEL ORG 946GZIS .

WAS'NT THAT A GOOD CHOICE

WHAT DIFFERENCE WILL IT MAKE .

SORRY AGAIN FOR CAPS .

[Dark Star]

DUd do you need personal advice go for any other plz do not go for HCL they are slow pesky insects that suck your blood until you trash them.. I am the suferer still I am suffering plz get your self Assembled or anyother brand pz do not go for HCL

OT 31000- 36000 main to awesome PC ban jayega leave that idea its a request and an order

[gannu_rox]

Originally Posted by clmlbx

SO , I JUST BOUGHT E4300 WITH INTEL ORG 946GZIS .

WAS'NT THAT A GOOD CHOICE

WHAT DIFFERENCE WILL IT MAKE .

SORRY AGAIN FOR CAPS .

Good selection but the mobo cud've been better so dat u cud've o'clocked dat proccy...

The E4300 has tremendous o'clockin potential....

If u'd hav coupled it with the XFX 650i ultra mobo it'd hav been the best option....

Nevertheless good option... Good buy... Congrats..

[The Unknown]

Originally Posted by Shashwat Pant

DUd do you need personal advice go for any other plz do not go for HCL they are slow pesky insects that suck your blood until you trash them.. I am the suferer still I am suffering plz get your self Assembled or anyother brand pz do not go for HCL

OT 31000- 36000 main to awesome PC ban jayega leave that idea its a request and an order

Thanks for this tip!

[Dark Star]

Its my personal experience and 1 word for HCL ban them ;::::XXX: I hate it .. an dtheir C hangs if u run any other application thats not bundled I feel like bombing them Cheaters ...

[Anindya]

Plz go for an assembled one. U will get far better config at a given price compared to branded one. Once u get under them they will continue disturbing u for useless things. Whenever u think of upgrade of something ur only option will be to contact them and buy what they say. U will have no choices. At Rs.3600 u will great config. This is what i have decided upon after visiting local pc market. Look at this config and decide. I will get on this Wednesday(day after tomorrow). I am only upgrading the whole of cabinet. An di must mention this that someone from this forum helped me a lot though i cant name him

1) Intel 6420 - 8500
2) ASUS P5B-VM - 7500
3) 1GB 667MHz - 1900
4) 160GB HDD SATA2 - 2100
5) APC 500VA - 2000
6) Good cabinet with SMPS - 1500-1700

Total - 23600 + 4%VAT = 24544.
U add a 17inch lcd monitor, mouse,keyboard, speakers etc it will come to around or less than 36K. So see the difference urself and take the decision.

[Dark Star]

^^ Better suggest a good new mobo P5B vm bad get XFX 650i SLi at 5.1 k the best VFM board available today

Good Caby + smps 1500 U kiddin dude its the life of PC better spend in quality product specially in these 2 else u'll find your system went kaput get 320 Gb hdd 3800 Segate Sata 2 St3250ASA UPS is gr8

[gannu_rox]

^^^Ther again...

Ther's no XFX 650i Sli ; only 650i ultra.... And u sure it retails fer 5.1K??? Tat mus be xcl of taxes I guess...

[Dark Star]

Atleast its 650 i Sli but XFX not providing SLi so what u called it depends on u Btw ya I am sure my friend got 1 dono with tax or without it .. well tax is not so much hardly a k or 2

[Anindya]

@ Shashwat cna u explain or point out the difference between these two boards, P5B VM and XFX 650i (SLI/Ultra) so that i am better informed? Thanks.

[Choto Cheeta]

@Shashwat Pant

Why u say P5B-VM a bad mobo ?? for those who are not pro gamer, just plays a little game in weekends, for them X3000 GMA is good enough !!!

and about those SLi boards, when u buy one of them, to run DX 10 you have to spend another 6k minimum for a GRFX Cards (8500 is the lowest) as No On board VGA for those boards....

Good Caby + smps 1500 U kiddin dude its the life of PC better spend in quality product specially in these 2 else u'll find your system went kaput

ColorSit in Kolkata available for just a little high price... but more or less aorund 2000 for SMPS and Cabinet !!!

I bought one ColorSit 450Watts for Rs. 1200 couple of months ago, and with 4 SATA-2, SATA-1, PATA, DVD RW and DVD Rom, E6600 (OC) P5N-E Sli, 4GB DDR-II and I do a lot of Virtualisation and ripping !!! Still i dont see my system go kaput !!!

also when one buys a PC with budget in mind, its not possible to buy high end Rs 5k SMPS !!!!

get 320 Gb hdd 3800 Segate Sata 2 St3250ASA

There is no SATA-2 16mb buffered HDD right now in Kolkata Chadni market !!! os if one need buy a HDD, better investing in smaller ones, may be even 80GB and wait few more month to see 16mb one's comming to the main stream...

@gannu_rox

I would preffer, Pentium D 920 or higher with D102GGC or any ASUS nforce or ATi based board over that E4300 + 946 Combo...

[Dark Star]

See 650i is the latest offering from nVIDIA supporting 1333 MHZ FSB which let you add a Quad COre aka COre 2 Quad as of now This board has better build and performance and come neck to neck even with 975X series or can cross it to in performance.. This board is mainly for OC'er on budget .. Its gr8 OC capabilities at low cost make a must buy board ...650i does not have any onboard GPU so u need to add an external GPU.

While P5B -VM is a old Intel chipset i.e G965 which sports onboard Grphics controller known as Intel X3000 .. Which is the latest Intel onboard offering which is the worst when compared to nVIDIAs 6150 and ATI X1250 ...No point in buying this board its old cannot support quad core .. and poor in performance when compared to 650i SLi

Hope it helps
Peace DS

Note : Warning never buy Pentium D if you planning for it go for AMD X2 PD sucks they runs hot.. and are bad performer / price .....

@ CC I called P5B VM a bad mobo cause it has more price when compared to 650i SLI and performance you cannot compare that to 650i ..

Btw who told u thats it compulsion of adding 2 GPU in SLI boards .. Its not the 1 slot will be freee if present and no nned of adding its just for future secure

Well nVIDIA SLi doesn't allow separate GPU means if you planning for SLI then both the cards need to identical while ATI CF supports separate GPU

[Anindya]

Thanks buddy!

[Choto Cheeta]

@Shashwat Pant

Have u ever used any P5B-V boards ?? P5B-V is a ATX board where as VM is a uATX board...

I have used the ATX counter part the P5B-V !!! and it also supports prettey good OC... http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l...12&modelmenu=1

See 650i is the latest offering from nVIDIA supporting 1333 MHZ FSB which let you add a Quad COre aka COre 2 Quad as of now

Well So does the P5B-VM too !!!

No point in buying this board its old cannot support quad core ..

See the board do support Quad Core... and even when C2Q comes to main stream market, we will have better board... and when some one buy a C2Q he or she will surely not going to use with with boars like P5N-E SLi or such... and most of all he is not buying a C2Q !!!

[Dark Star]

Originally Posted by Anindya

Thanks buddy!

Always welcome .. But Note whatever you buy do not buy these things now..

Pentium D never
P5B -VM [ Now its too old for its performance and future usage]
Western Digital Hdd
Lite ON Optical Drives rest k

Regards

[Choto Cheeta]

Btw who told u thats it compulsion of adding 2 GPU in SLI boards .. Its not the 1 slot will be freee if present and no nned of adding its just for future secure

Where did I write that one would need 2 cards ???

[Dark Star]

@ cc OOPS MY MISTAKE.. bUT STILL 650I IS better performer than P5 BVM considering price in mind

[Choto Cheeta]

bUT STILL 650I IS better performer than P5 BVM considering price in mind

SLI bpards like P5N-E SLi is only better when u use them with bellow Config, like High ends RAMs like OZZ ones of SLI ready and running at 1066 MHz which costs Rs. 18k per 2 GB...

so when a person will run 4GB or those RAM and E6700 and then OC the system, he needs one SLI board...

but when a person will use E6420 and RAM like Transend 667 MHz, in that case u wont see any differece between P5B-VM or sli based one like P5N-E SLI !!!!

[Anindya]

Originally Posted by Shashwat Pant

Always welcome .. But Note whatever you buy do not buy these things now..

Pentium D never
P5B -VM [ Now its too old for its performance and future usage]
Western Digital Hdd
Lite ON Optical Drives rest k

Regards

Why no WD and Lite ON? Plz tell.

[Dark Star]

Cause WD provides more platter which results low read and write spped +and lower performance than other brands.. If ou disbelieve me then read some online reviews... Lite On Sucks cause of performace Contact Tech Head for more infor the Optical guru

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

SLI bpards like P5N-E SLi is only better when u use them with bellow Config, like High ends RAMs like OZZ ones of SLI ready and running at 1066 MHz which costs Rs. 18k per 2 GB...

so when a person will run 4GB or those RAM and E6700 and then OC the system, he needs one SLI board...

but when a person will use E6420 and RAM like Transend 667 MHz, in that case u wont see any differece between P5B-VM or sli based one like P5N-E SLI !!!!

Rofl .. When OZZ launched its OCZ and the worst in high end ram marketingp[Note: Not necessary that Epp and SLi ready ram is needed to SLi boards totally worng info ] MY frnd running Kingston on XFX 1 and performance is ollaaa , wrong info dude I got my GSKILL HZ PC2 6400 i.e 800 MHZ at 4.5 k through New Eg but you can get from Memory Configurator at 7 K .. Do not say what Digit say Er.. go to Tech Enclave u a amember there I know u and ask lots of people using E4300 + XFX 650i Ul or sli whatever and ask them if I am wrong Memory is just for Intel CPU it does not depends on boartd higher bandwidth for Intel lower for AMD and do not say that SLI boards needs high end thing

[Choto Cheeta]

do not say that SLI boards needs high end thing

Reverse it...

Rather High end Stuff would need High end boards... !!!

as when u add high end stuff, That SLI is better, but consider when would use it with 667MHz RAMs there is no differece !!!

At-least I didnt see any differce in my case... P5B-V and P5N-E SLi (without 8600)..... when I bought those, price were more or less same with 2 !!! but i find both OC the procy E6600 as same... and performance is too the same..

now pls point me a application or a Multi Tasking state which and where SLI ones will run better with same hardware compairing with G965....

as I have done Heavy Virtualization, Ripping, Gaming in mulittasking i see X3000 GMA is better compairing with a low end card running with SLI board !!!

[Dark Star]

^^ Err.. u mean X3000 is better than 8500 GT .. lolz get it done even the worst onboard gpu till today I mean when compare with onboard like 6150 and X1250

And plz do not repeat this High end nothing 650i is no high end board listen all its mid end for budget buyer who like to OC .. and plz X300 will not give DX 10 support and not more than 15-20 FPS in any current game .. Well 650 i has better quality over all and better performance than P5B VM Prefer Online review and the bets part P5B VM is 7 quotted in a above post and XFX 1 is 5.1 k which 1 is better