Good Gaming PC - 50-60k

[montsa007]

1. What is the purpose of the computer? (Note: If you are planning to say multimedia, you will have to be more specific as all types of systems are capable of doing that)
A:Just Gaming

2. Are you open to alternate ideas/products giving similar better performance but offering more VFM/ sellers? If not- why?
A:Umm yes lets see how it goes?

3. What is your MAX budget?
A:60k~

4. Planning to overclock?
A:Nah

5. Which OS are you planning to use?
A:Win XP/Vista (XP Preferred)

6. How much hard drive space is needed?
A:500-700 Gigs

7. What resolution will the screen run at & whats the size of the screen you want?
A:20 inch monitor, am really unaware of resolution (Sorry)

8. How would you rate your hardware knowledge from the count of 1-10? (1 being the lowest, 5 being you are somewhat in sync with the current performers and 10 being the highest)
A:5.5

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
A:I tried to but am not a pro, can manage without blowing up anything

10. When are you planning to buy the system?
A:September end

11. Are you one of the types looking out for "future proof" configurations?
A:Gonna hold it for atleast 2-3 years.

12. Are there going to be any components that you don't want to include in this new rig? If yes, do mention.
A:Speakers (I have a good pair)

13. Which city do you live in and are you open to buying from shops from other city/states?
A:Mumbai, i prefer local dealers only

14. Mention any other points if deemed necessary
Alanning to mod the case later (Fancy lights & all )

[Piyush]

well u can go for this config:

processor-AMD Phenom x6 1055t ->9.8k
MSI/Gigabyte 880g based mobo ->less than 6k
GSKill 4 gb DDR3 1333 mhz kit ->5.5k
Cooler master elite 430/NZXT M59 ->2.7k/3.5k
PSU Corsair VX 550W ->4.8k
Graphic card-HD 5850 ->15k
DELL 20" LCD/LED screen ->6.5k/7k
seagatte barracuda 1TB ->3.2k
fans -3/4 120mm CM ->200rs each(non led) 400rs each(led)
logitech KB+mouse ->0.7k

u still have around 7k left with u
so u can buy 5870 instead of 5850 which will be a nice deal

[Cilus]

If the sole purpose is gaming, then you should also look at the Intel offering as they perform a little better than their AMD counterpart.

My suggestion will be a faster Quad core, rather than a slower 6 core processor as games are far from optimized to use 6 cores and only a handful of very new games are able to use the 4 cores.

My suggestion will be

Core i7 930 2.8GHz @ 13.8k
MSI X58 Pro @ 10.8k
Corsair 4GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 5.2k
Seagate 1 7200 rpm 1 TB HDD (32 MB Cache) @ 3.1k
Corsair VX 550W @ 4.8k
Cooler master elite 430 @ 2.7k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 7.5k
Mouse & Keyboard at your choice @ 0.6k
LG 22X SATA DVD Writer @ 1k
Palit Nvidia GTX 460 1 GB @ 14k

Total is coming around 63.5k. Now the price of ram, Monitor or processor may be little lower. If your soul purpose is gaming, then it is the best buy as Core i7 9XX series are far better in gaming.

Alternatively, you can go for Core i5 750 2.66GHz @ 9.5k + Biostar TP55 @ 6.6k + MSI HD5870 1GB GDDR5 @ 22.3k
total is again 63.4k.
This one will perform better than the previous one due to HD 5870, the most powerful single GPU offering from ATI. But in other multi-threaded applications like Audio/Video editing, i7 930 will be better.

[montsa007]

Hi
Thanks for your valuable replies,
As far as i have heard, AMD processers beats intels?
or is it just a rumor i believed for all these years?
Thanks
-S

P.S. - Wasnt aware HDD's are available so cheap lolx

[ashu888ashu888]

^^

who cares about beating inel or beating AMD (or nVIDIA and ATi) for tat matter..

dont go for tabloid news, buy the stuff tat u prefer will giv u a better gaming/multimedia experience buddy..

will it matter to u if Intel said tat their and nVIDIA combo defeated (AMD+ATi) combo in Crysis by a mere 5-6fps.. !!!!

its irrelevant according to us, as while gaming we jus look for smooth gameplay rather than counting each and every frame rate..
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[toad_frog09]

Processor-AMD Phenom x4 955 @ 8k
MSI 890GXM-G65 @ 7.2k
GSKill Ripjaws 1333 @ 5.5k
Cooler master elite 430/NZXT M59 @ 2.7k/3.5k
PSU Corsair VX 550W @4.8k
Graphic card-HD 5870 @ 20/22k
Seagatte barracuda 1TB @3.2k
fans @ 1k
Cathode tube red,blue @1k

What else missing?
.
Hey, why no to overclocking?

[pegasus]

I feel one may be able to fit a X58 + core i7 rig in that budget.
But please do so only if buying products from brands known for good quality.

If one has to buy a VFM setup, the 890GX + X6 1055T setup makes more sense i have heard and also saves one quite a bit of money inspite of buying the best quality boards.

Snd i request all the gurus to help out with this.
Are the 1600Mhz kits much more expensive that the DDR3 1333 kits?
The latter is so avoidable imho.

Originally Posted by montsa007

Hi
Thanks for your valuable replies,
As far as i have heard, AMD processers beats intels?
or is it just a rumor i believed for all these years?
Thanks
-S

P.S. - Wasnt aware HDD's are available so cheap lolx

At a given point of time, something may be "generally" better than the rest, considering the overall lineup.
There is no definite.
And at a given price point/budget, it maybe the same way or even the opposite.
So making such generalised statements is not possible.

For those who have a decent or more than enough budget,
One hs to decide if they want to spend every paisa of that or maybe get something well-balanced and VFM and save some of that money.

Originally Posted by ashu888ashu888

^^

who cares about beating inel or beating AMD (or nVIDIA and ATi) for tat matter..

dont go for tabloid news, buy the stuff tat u prefer will giv u a better gaming/multimedia experience buddy..

will it matter to u if Intel said tat their and nVIDIA combo defeated (AMD+ATi) combo in Crysis by a mere 5-6fps.. !!!!

its irrelevant according to us, as while gaming we jus look for smooth gameplay rather than counting each and every frame rate..

I think i understand the message you want to convey somehwat and am not debtaing it in anyway.
But i feel the example you give might not suit it very well.
Think over this please-
Say the latter setup manages 22-24fps, then would the former's claims matter to you?

[Jaskanwar Singh]

if you can spend 65k i will suggest gtx460 sli setup which competes with hd5970.

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.8k
MSI NF980-G65 @ 7.6k
2 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 5k
Zotac GTX 460 1GB GDDR5 * 2 SLI @ 27k
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ 2.1k
Corsair TX650W @ 6.2k
NZXT GAMMA @ 2k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 7.5k

Total - 65.2k

[jayantr7]

Originally Posted by montsa007

Hi
Thanks for your valuable replies,
As far as i have heard, AMD processers beats intels?
or is it just a rumor i believed for all these years?
Thanks
-S

P.S. - Wasnt aware HDD's are available so cheap lolx

You heard wrong then.Intel is better.IMO,AMD is just making much money because of ATi GPUs.....Intel is the best if you want for gaming[for other purposes too-intensive i mean]
Cilus gave you a good config.....

[Cilus]

Originally Posted by Jaskanwar Singh

if you can spend 65k i will suggest gtx460 sli setup which competes with hd5970.

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.8k
MSI NF980-G65 @ 7.6k
2 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 5k
Zotac GTX 460 1GB GDDR5 * 2 SLI @ 27k
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ 2.1k
Corsair TX650W @ 6.2k
NZXT GAMMA @ 2k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 7.5k

Total - 65.2k

One hell of a config from Jaskanwar. Yes, this is one of the most powerful configuration. 2 GTX 460 in SLI will simply blow up everything comes to its path. Probably it will play all the games in coming 3 years in full detail.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jaskanwar Singh

if you can spend 65k i will suggest gtx460 sli setup which competes with hd5970.

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.8k
MSI NF980-G65 @ 7.6k
2 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 5k
Zotac GTX 460 1GB GDDR5 * 2 SLI @ 27k
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ 2.1k
Corsair TX650W @ 6.2k
NZXT GAMMA @ 2k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 7.5k

Total - 65.2k

excellent setup for money. who needs Intel when you can go with 2 little monster & a 3.2Ghz roller coaster.

[rajan1311]

the processor may bottleneck , but it will surely be awesome when he switches on physx and max AA
+1 for jassy's config.

[ico]

Originally Posted by jayant_raj7

You heard wrong then.Intel is better.IMO,AMD is just making much money because of ATi GPUs.....Intel is the best if you want for gaming[for other purposes too-intensive i mean]

Depends upon what price you are talking about. AMD's motherboards are cheaper too.

[vizkid2005]

Originally Posted by Cilus

One hell of a config from Jaskanwar. Yes, this is one of the most powerful configuration. 2 GTX 460 in SLI will simply blow up everything comes to its path. Probably it will play all the games in coming 3 years in full detail.

Will HD 5850 *2 " play all the games in coming 3 years in full detail " ????

[Piyush]

^^
yes
but 460 sli setup will cost a lil less

[vizkid2005]

But what will be better ???
I will not SLI/Crossfire in 6 months ...
But after that ...
What would be better ???

GTX 460(1 GB)*2 or HD 5850*2 ????

Can I Combine a stock 460 with an overclocked 460( MSI HAWK 1GB) ???
Like I`ll be buyin a a stock 460 now and an overclocked one later ....

What is the compatibility of the 460 with other SLI cards ???
Like 5850 will only crossfire another 5850 ...


Plz help ....

[ashu888ashu888]

Originally Posted by pegasus

I think i understand the message you want to convey somehwat and am not debtaing it in anyway.
But i feel the example you give might not suit it very well.
Think over this please-
Say the latter setup manages 22-24fps, then would the former's claims matter to you?

a 22-24 fps difference mattering to me?? heall YES !!! then ofcourse, i wud be a fool, if i said i disagree with tat statement of urs..

Originally Posted by vizkid2005

Can I Combine a stock 460 with an overclocked 460( MSI HAWK 1GB) ???
Like I`ll be buyin a a stock 460 now and an overclocked one later ....

What is the compatibility of the 460 with other SLI cards ???
Like 5850 will only crossfire another 5850 ...

Plz help ....

No! u CANNOT SLi one basic card with a OverClocked (OC'D in short) card,

but

YES !! u can infact SLi one card of say ABC brand with another say, XYZ brand if they both hv the same config, like say both are OC'd or both are basic cards..

[vizkid2005]

Thanx Ashu !!

But as I said, what is better GTX 460*2 or HD 5850*2 ???

Which company to buy ???

[montsa007]

Originally Posted by Jaskanwar Singh

if you can spend 65k i will suggest gtx460 sli setup which competes with hd5970.

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.8k
MSI NF980-G65 @ 7.6k
2 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 5k
Zotac GTX 460 1GB GDDR5 * 2 SLI @ 27k
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ 2.1k
Corsair TX650W @ 6.2k
NZXT GAMMA @ 2k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 7.5k

Total - 65.2k

I guess its time to go for some shopping XD

[Sam]

Originally Posted by vizkid2005

Thanx Ashu !!

But as I said, what is better GTX 460*2 or HD 5850*2 ???

Which company to buy ???

go for 2X GTX460 1Gb, provided you able find Point of View. or for for 2*HD5850. cause 2*GTX460 will be noisy as well as run hot if you go for Zotac/Palit.

[pegasus]

Originally Posted by jayant_raj7

You heard wrong then.Intel is better.IMO,AMD is just making much money because of ATi GPUs.....Intel is the best if you want for gaming[for other purposes too-intensive i mean].....

Err...
Can you please explain how is Intel better in general/overall, irrespective of the price range of the product we may be able to buy?

Originally Posted by ashu888ashu888

a 22-24 fps difference mattering to me?? heall YES !!! then ofcourse, i wud be a fool, if i said i disagree with tat statement of urs..

If i got you right, you think i said 22-24fps difference?
What i wanted to say is taking your initial example into consideration, if one setup achieves 22-24fps and the other that claims it's faster manages 30-32fps, in Crysis, would it still matter to us?

Originally Posted by ashu888ashu888

No! u CANNOT SLi one basic card with a OverClocked (OC'D in short) card, a

but

YES !! u can infact SLi one card of say ABC brand with another say, XYZ brand if they both hv the same config, like say both are OC'd or both are basic cards.. b

Dear ashu Sir,
a I think we can SLi 2 similar cards with different clock speeds but the cards will run at the speeds of the slower card.

b This case is a bit tricky now i feel.
Reference design cards from different manufacturers may not have issues mostly but with many brands having their own custom design now even for the PCB layout and circuitry, we cannot guarantee stability unless tried.

All said, SLI is still something i would suggest only to someone who can handle computer issues on their own or has someone to properly troubleshoot their computer.
Else most regular users are better of with a single powerful card than SLi imho.

[Piyush]

guys listen
me and some others members had the same discussion about this multi gpu system

u should take a look at this

Mixed-GPU Setups : Multi-GPU Setups: The Basics Of CrossFire And SLI

[ashu888ashu888]

Originally Posted by vizkid2005

Thanx Ashu !!

But as I said, what is better GTX 460*2 or HD 5850*2 ???

Which company to buy ???

well, gtx460's are found to run a bit noisy wen playing at full reso, coz of the heat sink fans run at full speed...

as for the coimpany, (i personally, hv an eVGA GTX280 SSC (SSC=super super clocked) Edition) 1GB)

so, for me eVGA works gr8...

but go for POV brand..

Originally Posted by pegasus

Err...

If i got you right, you think i said 22-24fps difference?
What i wanted to say is taking your initial example into consideration, if one setup achieves 22-24fps and the other that claims it's faster manages 30-32fps, in Crysis, would it still matter to us?

well, as the human eye can see jus 30fps to be able to distinguish a video or a game as fluent and smooth, then yes, its always recommended to play a game (or watch a video), which can giv us a minimum 30fps...

Dear ashu Sir,
a I think we can SLi 2 similar cards with different clock speeds but the cards will run at the speeds of the slower card.

b This case is a bit tricky now i feel.
Reference design cards from different manufacturers may not have issues mostly but with many brands having their own custom design now even for the PCB layout and circuitry, we cannot guarantee stability unless tried.

All said, SLI is still something i would suggest only to someone who can handle computer issues on their own or has someone to properly troubleshoot their computer.
Else most regular users are better of with a single powerful card than SLi imho.

tats exactly wat i said (but in short) tat ppl who DO NOT knw abt tweaking and/or handling PC issues all by them selves shud jus stick to a single card, or if they wanna CFX or SLi, then buy 2 cards of the same make (and manufacturer) to be safe and sound..

[vizkid2005]

Thanks ashu ...
Also help me here ...

Motherboard and RAM Confusion !!!

[jayantr7]

Originally Posted by pegasus

Err...
Can you please explain how is Intel better in general/overall, irrespective of the price range of the product we may be able to buy?

Err....
Sorry for writing OVERALL....just PERFORMANCE not price.In budget specific thingies,AMD is better.

FOr me AMD =

[Cybertonic]

For a budget of 9k AMD is the best. You get an athlon ii x4 (quad core) at the price of core i3 530 (dual hyperthreaded core), its no brainer. There's no point going for dual cores these days. The gaming performance might a few fps lower but we don't care about numbers, we care about playability and future proofness.

[ico]

Originally Posted by pegasus

All said, SLI is still something i would suggest only to someone who can handle computer issues on their own or has someone to properly troubleshoot their computer.
Else most regular users are better of with a single powerful card than SLi imho.

I also agree with the same.

Originally Posted by jayant_raj7

Err....
Sorry for writing OVERALL....just PERFORMANCE not price.In budget specific thingies,AMD is better.

Performance and Price...both things go hand in hand. You pay a price for the performance.

[ashu888ashu888]

Originally Posted by vizkid2005

Thanks ashu ...
Also help me here ...

Motherboard and RAM Confusion !!!

so, finally, wich rig u planning to buy buddy..?? aintel based one or an AMD..???

(if its intel core ix) then please, post all ur queries in the link given in my siggy.. as it will help keeping things oganised..

)now...heading over to ur mobo and RAM confusion thread..)

[vizkid2005]

Rough config for my rig here ....

Motherboard and RAM Confusion !!!