branded intel desktop required....

[rahul.007]

guyz, my relative wants to buy a new BRANDED(preferably hcl, but others are also welcome...) rig.... INTEL ONLY

he wants the full config (PRINTER, UPS AND SPEAKERS, KYBD+MOUSE, MNTR N CPU....)

it should be a BRANDED INTEL CONFIG....

he is buying it for his 10 yr old son so no heavy stuff.... just casual gaming and movie watching....

he has also said me more than a 100 times that it should be able to run softwares releasing 5 yrs from nw....

please suggest some good branded desktops available satisfying above needs....

budget mx 25k.... + 2k stretchable....
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[Sam]

25k? branded? that also Intel? should run software released 5yrs from now? i presume its OS your uncle talking about mainly. than a printer also. sorry to say rahul, but i'll have to laugh. even with AMD it won't be easy. Intel? you may do 1 thing, show uncle the pre configured rig in SMC. for 27k. AMD but well balanced & powerful. but will have to skip printer. with Intel, 3yrs is deadline. anyway all the best in quest for such a pc.

[rahul.007]

sorry to say rahul, but i'll have to laugh.

same condition was mine when i heard it.... but just doesn't want to hear me.... he just wants BRANDED INTEL PC....

please suggest some branded rigs with c2d e7500 (with printer) or even core i3/i5(skip printer)....

[Cool Buddy]

the budget is too low, really. even an assembled one with core2duo won't come. tell him he can trust AMD. Most people here are using AMD configs.
nothing personal here, these days if someone says he has a budget below 30k and wants intel, I simply tell him that I don't know anything about intel and skip the conversation. Only if he is ready to buy AMD do I help him

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul.007

same condition was mine when i heard it.... but just doesn't want to hear me.... he just wants BRANDED INTEL PC....

please suggest some branded rigs with c2d e7500 (with printer) or even core i3/i5(skip printer)....

its really hard. give uncle 2 option: go assembled with AMD and he maybe able include printer. about running for 5yrs. thats like playing Crysis on a P4 + Intel 945. thats just not possible. you can never predict whats coming in next year. forget 5yrs. or show these posts to uncle, maybe he change decision. else you know buddy. running next release of Windows will be a hard task, forget gaming.

[Cool Buddy]

One will surely be able to run firefox on the PC five years from now, but movies would have moved to HD, little difficult to run.
Games, what???

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Cool Buddy

One will surely be able to run firefox on the PC five years from now, but movies would have moved to HD, little difficult to run.
Games, what???

usually on such budget even G4* will be a hard one. and rahul mentioned E7*** processor. settle for E5*** or E6*** dual cores. else total cost will shoot past 25k even with 1Gb ram i guess.

[aby geek]

HCL Consumer PC, Desktop Computers, HCL Computers, HCL PC

sam do these even remotely make sense? or thinking that will be insane?

they dont have os .

[Cool Buddy]

Intel dual core will be available at this budget. the above is Intel dual core processor, so will be fine. With the model of 22500 a printer or UPS will also fit in.

Now if a person is adamant on buying Intel, how can we expect a good configuration, a 2.7 Ghz processor & 1 GB RAM should be enough.

off topic:
Recently one of my friends asked for a configuration. His budget was very low & I suggested him an AMD config. He asked me whether it was a dual core processor. Now, with the hardware knowledge he possesses, I was surprised that he knew what dual core was. I said yes it's a dual core & suggested a quad core in case he wanted one. He said his brother was saying that dual core is outdated & hence he wanted to go for core2duo. I was like, whaa....!!!
I tried to explain that even core2duo was a dual core processor & Athlon II X2 would be a better choice, but no use. He would prefer Intel only.

[a2mn2002]

@sam suggest me a 20' tft full HD monitr. 4 my frnd.
He want only dell or acer. Use 4 hd game bluR mves. If nt posible then take 22'.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by a2mn2002

@sam suggest me a 20' tft full HD monitr. 4 my frnd.
He want only dell or acer. Use 4 hd game bluR mves. If nt posible then take 22'.

Acer got a few models. seen in Lynx. and pricing is identical to Benq's price. but i'll suggest better get Benq. Dell if he want pay more. but 20" & Full HD? how

Originally Posted by Cool Buddy

Intel dual core will be available at this budget. the above is Intel dual core processor, so will be fine. With the model of 22500 a printer or UPS will also fit in.

Now if a person is adamant on buying Intel, how can we expect a good configuration, a 2.7 Ghz processor & 1 GB RAM should be enough.

its good VFM but one have to remember all the hidden costs. also 1Gb will make even XP slow. forget Vista or 7. so total pricing on the bare pc may cross 28k (HCL Ezeebee AC1V0023, price: Rs.25490). add printer & total cost will be 30k+.

Originally Posted by Cool Buddy

off topic:
Recently one of my friends asked for a configuration. His budget was very low & I suggested him an AMD config. He asked me whether it was a dual core processor. Now, with the hardware knowledge he possesses, I was surprised that he knew what dual core was. I said yes it's a dual core & suggested a quad core in case he wanted one. He said his brother was saying that dual core is outdated & hence he wanted to go for core2duo. I was like, whaa....!!!
I tried to explain that even core2duo was a dual core processor & Athlon II X2 would be a better choice, but no use. He would prefer Intel only.

he have semi knowledge. well what can we do for these peoples. they themselves want pay more & get old parts

Originally Posted by aby geek

HCL Consumer PC, Desktop Computers, HCL Computers, HCL PC

sam do these even remotely make sense? or thinking that will be insane?

they dont have os .

ok, lets see if how this config makes up against an AMD rig. max allowed pricing 25k:

Processor: Athlon II X2 250 3GHz @ 3K
Motherboard: Biostar TA785G A3 @ 3.7k
Ram: Kingston 2Gb DDR3-1333 Value @ 2.7k
Graphics Card: ---
PSU: FSP Saga II 350 Watts @ 1.5k
Cabinet: Zebronics Bijli (without PSU) @ 1.2K
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500Gb (HD502HJ) @ 1.6k
Optical Media: LG 22X DVD (GH22NS50) @ 1k
Monitor: BenQ G2020HD 20" LCD Monitor @ 6.5k
Keyboard Mouse: Logitech Internet Pro Desktop @ 0.6k
Speaker: cheap one @ 0.4k
UPS: INTEX/Zebronics 600va @ 1.3k

Total: 23.5k

a entry level Epson printer, Student edition @ 1.5-1.8k

so guys, i present to you a AMD PC with 20" monitor. 2Gb DDR3. 500Gb HDD & one of best IGP & a free printer with 3yrs warranty (all parts carries 2-5yrs warranty) @ 25k.

Intel anyone?

[Jaskanwar Singh]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

ok, lets see if how this config makes up against an AMD rig. max allowed pricing 25k:

Processor: Athlon II X2 250 3GHz @ 3K
Motherboard: Biostar TA785G A3 @ 3.7k
Ram: Kingston 2Gb DDR3-1333 Value @ 2.7k
Graphics Card: ---
PSU: FSP Saga II 350 Watts @ 1.5k
Cabinet: Zebronics Bijli (without PSU) @ 1.2K
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500Gb (HD502HJ) @ 1.6k
Optical Media: LG 22X DVD (GH22NS50) @ 1k
Monitor: BenQ G2020HD 20" LCD Monitor @ 6.5k
Keyboard Mouse: Logitech Internet Pro Desktop @ 0.6k
Speaker: cheap one @ 0.4k
UPS: INTEX/Zebronics 600va @ 1.3k

Total: 23.5k

a entry level Epson printer, Student edition @ 1.5-1.8k

so guys, i present to you a AMD PC with 20" monitor. 2Gb DDR3. 500Gb HDD & one of best IGP & a free printer with 3yrs warranty (all parts carries 2-5yrs warranty) @ 25k.

Intel anyone?

it is BIOSTAR TA785G3 not G A3

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jaskanwar Singh

it is BIOSTAR TA785G3 not G A3

oh yes. thanks. BTW, isn't G3+ available here. its a good board. having 4 DIMM slots.

[Jaskanwar Singh]

dont know about g3+ availability.just checked bio site. its a good mobo. but only diff. i see is the presence of 2 more dimms than g3

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and 2 extra sata ports and change in audio codec. it will be somewhat expensive then g3. g3's around 3.7k. so it will be around 4k. but then g3 hd comes into picture which is far more better...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jaskanwar Singh

and 2 extra sata ports and change in audio codec. it will be somewhat expensive then g3. g3's around 3.7k. so it will be around 4k. but then g3 hd comes into picture which is far more better...

yup. G3 HD makes that board meaningless. cause you get 140W processor support, better codec & 128Mb GDDR3 memory free. so if G3+ available for 4k, for 200-300 bucks more you get so many features.

[a2mn2002]

@sam: ok. I hv talkd 2 him.
he want
22-23" full hd , 80k+ cntrast, not more than 5m respnse tym, acer/samsung/dell (1st prirty)/intex.

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@sam: ok. I hv talkd 2 him.
he want
22-23" full hd , 80k+ cntrast, not more than 5m respnse tym, acer/samsung/dell (1st prirty)/intex.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by a2mn2002

@sam: ok. I hv talkd 2 him.
he want
22-23" full hd , 80k+ cntrast, not more than 5m respnse tym, acer/samsung/dell (1st prirty)/intex.

sorry but i think, i not the right guy to ask these sort of things. i know absolutely nothing about monitors, Linux & networking. so please if you don't mind, pass this to someone. i sorry buddy but i have simply no idea

[Cool Buddy]

How can someone have a budget of 25k, want intel & also branded with a 22"full HD monitor. Tell him computers have become cheap, but no ones distributing them for free. Is he ready to increase his budget?
Sam's AMD config looks good, the price could be brought down further by skipping the PSU & going with bijli's inbuilt PSU.
Also, those dynamic contrast ratio figures are useless. I have come to believe that one can write anything in dynamic contrast ratio, there's no way to check what they claim. Still, 80k+ is a bit too much for such a small monitor. 50000:1 dynamic or 1000:1 real should be enough for general usage. Most monitors have these only. also, dell monitors have a response time of 5ms, other monitors may report gray-to-gray response time of 2ms, that's again useless. Among the four listed brands, I prefer Dell, however if budget is a concern,better go for BenQ, I personally don't like samsung at all.
Speaking of samsung, Samsung Spinpoint F3 500Gb (HD502HJ) for 1.6k really!!
That's real cheap if the price is correct.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Cool Buddy

How can someone have a budget of 25k, want intel & also branded with a 22"full HD monitor. Tell him computers have become cheap, but no ones distributing them for free. Is he ready to increase his budget?
Sam's AMD config looks good, the price could be brought down further by skipping the PSU & going with bijli's inbuilt PSU.
Also, those dynamic contrast ratio figures are useless. I have come to believe that one can write anything in dynamic contrast ratio, there's no way to check what they claim. Still, 80k+ is a bit too much for such a small monitor. 50000:1 dynamic or 1000:1 real should be enough for general usage. Most monitors have these only. also, dell monitors have a response time of 5ms, other monitors may report gray-to-gray response time of 2ms, that's again useless. Among the four listed brands, I prefer Dell, however if budget is a concern,better go for BenQ, I personally don't like samsung at all.
Speaking of samsung, Samsung Spinpoint F3 500Gb (HD502HJ) for 1.6k really!!
That's real cheap if the price is correct.

no. the 22" is for a2mn2002's friend.

about HDD, i got a quote of 1.9k 6-7onths ago. so naturally its pricing is dead cheap by now.

[Cool Buddy]

OK, sorry didn't notice about the monitor.
And HDD prices haven't fallen that much. Samsung drives are priced similar to Seagate drives. 500 Gb will be 1.9k at least.

[rahul.007]

went to smc today.... have finally been able to convince my relative that AMD IS A COMPANY AND THAT TOO A GOOD ONE....

got this price quote:-

amd athlon 2*4 630 / phenom 2*2 555 + msi 785g @ 9.5k
kingston 2 gb ddr3 1333mhz @ 2.7k
zeb krrish with in built psu @ 1.2k
wd 500gb blue @ 2k
lg dvd @ 1k
19"lcd @ 5.9k
logitech keyboard + mouse @ 0.7k
intex ups @ 1.6k
cheap speakers (promax) @ 0.4k
total:- 25k

some questions:-

is the inbuilt zeb psu inuff or should i downgrade the proccy to athlon 2*2 250 and mobo to bio* hd @ 4.2k????

new config:-

Processor: Athlon II X2 250 3GHz @ 3K
Motherboard: Biostar TA785G3 hd @ 4.2k
Ram: Kingston 2Gb DDR3-1333 Value @ 2.7k
PSU: FSP Saga II 350 Watts @ 1.5k
Cabinet: Zebronics Bijli (without PSU) @ 0.9K
Hard Drive: wd blue @ 2k
Optical Media: LG 22X DVD (GH22NS50) @ 1k
Monitor: 19" @ 5.9k
Keyboard Mouse: Logitech Internet Pro Desktop @ 0.6k
Speaker: cheap one @ 0.4k
UPS: INTEX/Zebronics 600va @ 1.3k
printer: hp\epson entry level @ 1.5k

total :-24k

what say????

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul.007

went to smc today.... have finally been able to convince my relative that AMD IS A COMPANY AND THAT TOO A GOOD ONE....

got this price quote:-

amd athlon 2*4 630 / phenom 2*2 555 + msi 785g @ 9.5k
kingston 2 gb ddr3 1333mhz @ 2.7k
zeb krrish with in built psu @ 1.2k
wd 500gb blue @ 2k
lg dvd @ 1k
19"lcd @ 5.9k
logitech keyboard + mouse @ 0.7k
intex ups @ 1.6k
cheap speakers (promax) @ 0.4k
total:- 25k

some questions:-

is the inbuilt zeb psu inuff or should i downgrade the proccy to athlon 2*2 250 and mobo to bio* hd @ 4.2k????

new config:-

Processor: Athlon II X2 250 3GHz @ 3K
Motherboard: Biostar TA785G3 hd @ 4.2k
Ram: Kingston 2Gb DDR3-1333 Value @ 2.7k
PSU: FSP Saga II 350 Watts @ 1.5k
Cabinet: Zebronics Bijli (without PSU) @ 0.9K
Hard Drive: wd blue @ 2k
Optical Media: LG 22X DVD (GH22NS50) @ 1k
Monitor: 19" @ 5.9k
Keyboard Mouse: Logitech Internet Pro Desktop @ 0.6k
Speaker: cheap one @ 0.4k
UPS: INTEX/Zebronics 600va @ 1.3k
printer: hp\epson entry level @ 1.5k

total :-24k

what say????

you simply posted my msg again

anyway nice to know your relative finally agree. their own good.

if for MSI you pointing at the crappy E51, skip it.

for cabinet, get Bijli as a whole. with the default PSU.

[Cool Buddy]

Originally Posted by rahul.007

finally been able to convince my relative that AMD IS A COMPANY AND THAT TOO A GOOD ONE....

most people have never heard of AMD, I'm surprised by that fact. When I say AMD, they think I'm talking of some cheap local brand

As far as the config is concerned, if budget permits, X4 will be better as your relatives intend to use this PC for a long time.

[rahul.007]

you simply posted my msg again

for cabinet, get Bijli as a whole. with the default PSU.

would the in-built psu be enough???? whats the waatage????whats the price of bijli with the in-built psu????

most people have never heard of AMD, I'm surprised by that fact. When I say AMD, they think I'm talking of some cheap local brand

As far as the config is concerned, if budget permits, X4 will be better as your relatives intend to use this PC for a long time.

i was totally exhausted....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul.007

would the in-built psu be enough???? whats the waatage????whats the price of bijli with the in-built psu????

some peoples even run a 9600GT on Bijli's default PSU. why won't that simple PC won't run? its a 400W sata.

[rahul.007]

kk.... will zero on this:-

Processor: Athlon II X2 250 3GHz @ 3K
Motherboard: Biostar TA785G3 hd @ 4.2k
Ram: Kingston 2Gb DDR3-1333 Value @ 2.7k
Cabinet: Zebronics Bijli (with PSU) @ 1.5k
Hard Drive: wd blue @ 2k
Optical Media: LG 22X DVD (GH22NS50) @ 1k
Monitor: samsung 20" @ 6.2k
Keyboard Mouse: Logitech Internet Pro Desktop @ 0.6k
Speaker: cheap one @ 0.4k
UPS: INTEX/Zebronics 600va @ 1.3k
printer: hp\epson entry level @ 1.5k

total :-23.5k

any more suggestions????

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul.007

kk.... will zero on this:-

Processor: Athlon II X2 250 3GHz @ 3K
Motherboard: Biostar TA785G3 hd @ 4.2k
Ram: Kingston 2Gb DDR3-1333 Value @ 2.7k
Cabinet: Zebronics Bijli (with PSU) @ 1.5k
Hard Drive: wd blue @ 2k
Optical Media: LG 22X DVD (GH22NS50) @ 1k
Monitor: samsung 20" @ 6.2k
Keyboard Mouse: Logitech Internet Pro Desktop @ 0.6k
Speaker: cheap one @ 0.4k
UPS: INTEX/Zebronics 600va @ 1.3k
printer: hp\epson entry level @ 1.5k

total :-23.5k

any more suggestions????

why not X4? or X3?

also the HDD is 500Gb isn't?

as for UPS better take APC 550VA. and printer price will be little high @ 2k i guess.

[rahul.007]

so after adding 0.5k(printer) + 0.3k (apc) + Athlon II X3 425 2.7GHz @ 3.7k

new total:- 25k....

anything more????

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul.007

so after adding 0.5k(printer) + 0.3k (apc) + Athlon II X3 425 2.7GHz @ 3.7k

new total:- 25k....

anything more????

well i think you good to go.

also try get Benq 20". Samsung got the old stand issue. stand seem to wobble a bit.

[rahul.007]

also try get Benq 20"

price?????