need Suggestion for new Amd Rig

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

Hi Friends I am planning to buy a new AMD Rig with in 42-43k(in next month a i don't have a enough budget .Main Purpose of the Rig is Photoshop CS5,Premiere, After effects,Maya(rendering and VFX) etc, a casual gaming(FPS games)
Here is the config..


Processor AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8 ghz-10500/10000
Motherboard MSI GA-890GX- 7200
Ram G.Skill RIPJAWS 2*2GB 1333mhz -6300
Graphics Card MSI 5770 TWin Forz Edition 1 GB
HDD Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 G.B-2050
Cabinet NZXT Gamma Cabinet -2600
DVD RW LG DVD writer -1050
SMPS Corsair VX450W-3900

Price is from SMC International(By Mr. Gurmeet), I know the NZXt Gamma is overpriced by them( they told 2400 to rahul and 2600 to me ). well now i will write a e-mail to their sale dept. for the inquiry for the same and check the price variation.

Plz comment ...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Prakash29617

Hi Friends I am planning to buy a new AMD Rig with in 42-43k(in next month a i don't have a enough budget .Main Purpose of the Rig is Photoshop CS5,Premiere, After effects,Maya(rendering and VFX) etc, a casual gaming(FPS games)
Here is the config..


Processor AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8 ghz-10500/10000
Motherboard MSI GA-890GX- 7200
Ram G.Skill RIPJAWS 2*2GB 1333mhz -6300
Graphics Card MSI 5770 TWin Forz Edition 1 GB
HDD Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 G.B-2050
Cabinet NZXT Gamma Cabinet -2600
DVD RW LG DVD writer -1050
SMPS Corsair VX450W-3900

Price is from SMC International(By Mr. Gurmeet), I know the NZXt Gamma is overpriced by them( they told 2400 to rahul and 2600 to me ). well now i will write a e-mail to their sale dept. for the inquiry for the same and check the price variation.

Plz comment ...

Processor: already chosen.
Motherboard: get a cheaper motherboard. maybe 880G or try 870X chipset. or maybe 790GX based.
Ram: get value ram.
Hard Disk: already chosen.
Graphics Card: HAWX?
Optical Drives: LG GH22NS50 @ 1.1k
PSU: already chosen.
Cabinet: get something else. 2.4-2.6k for that cabby too high.

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

Processor: already chosen.
Motherboard: get a cheaper motherboard. maybe 880G or try 870X chipset. or maybe 790GX based.
Ram: get value ram.
Hard Disk: already chosen.
Graphics Card: HAWX?
Optical Drives: LG GH22NS50 @ 1.1k
PSU: already chosen.
Cabinet: get something else. 2.4-2.6k for that cabby too high.

Processor: already chosen.
Motherboard: get a cheaper motherboard. maybe 880G or try 870X chipset. or maybe 790GX based.(890 is more future proof isn't it)
Ram: get value ram.(well i need it when i will render in maya , ripjayws cost 6300 while valuable kingston ram is for 5800 only 500 difference
Hard Disk: already chosen.
Graphics Card: HAWX?9 its more feture proof as compare to 5670 ( as its refresh rate( refresh rate is something ike FPS in games , when we rotate a Object in maya or Max how many time the application refresh it thats a refesh rateof a GPU) is also good- suggest by facilty)
Optical Drives: LG GH22NS50 @ 1.1k
PSU: already chosen.
Cabinet: get something else. 2.4-2.6k for that cabby too high( 2.2 is online Price + courier charge Rs.350, total = 2550 only Rs. 50 Difference)

[Sam]

than good to go. moreover Twin Frozer II is the name of heatsink + fan system used by MSI on their performance cards like HD5870 Lightning. not the card itself.

not anything like futureproof. both 7series as well as 8 series are AM3. only you'll get Sata 3 & faster ALink (ver.3) (northbridge-southbridge connection). nothing more. try get 870X & save 1-2k. i don't think 790Gx & 890GX got huge price difference. so get 890GX if unable find 870X (its basically a 890Gx without IGP & no crossfire).

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

than good to go. moreover Twin Frozer II is the name of heatsink + fan system used by MSI on their performance cards like HD5870 Lightning. not the card itself.

not anything like futureproof. both 7series as well as 8 series are AM3. only you'll get Sata 3 & faster ALink (ver.3) (northbridge-southbridge connection). nothing more. try get 870X & save 1-2k. i don't think 790Gx & 890GX got huge price difference. so get 890GX if unable find 870X (its basically a 890Gx without IGP & no crossfire).

well Sam bhai i know Twin forz is the heat sink with dual fan, but FY Iwhen we render somthing in maya or what app which i gonna use in future , the gpu generates more heat as compare to gaming(depends of games or object which we render) so i wil be better if i get twin forz because its only around .5 to 1k more then ordinary 5770.I could find 870X there(SMC).Any way thanks for your suggestions ..more suggestions are welcomed.

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

more comment plz...

[ajai5777]

If you want to crossfire in future, the selected board is best.If you want to avoid IGP,Crossfire etc to reduce the cost, go for

ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 @ 6k
No IGP,No crossfire with all other features.

[mavihs]

Hi Friends I am planning to buy a new AMD Rig with in 42-43k

strech it a little more & you get a nice config!

Main Purpose of the Rig is Photoshop CS5,Premiere, After effects,Maya(rendering and VFX) etc,

your learning or for profesional use?

a casual gaming(FPS games)

COD or CS?

Graphics Card MSI 5770 TWin Forz Edition 1 GB

for rendering, you'l be better off with FirePro but your gaming will take a hit!

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

Originally Posted by ajai5777

If you want to crossfire in future, the selected board is best.If you want to avoid IGP,Crossfire etc to reduce the cost, go for

ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 @ 6k
No IGP,No crossfire with all other features.

Well I think i will go for crossfire in future (may be in next year).

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Originally Posted by mavihs

strech it a little more & you get a nice config!

Maximum Strech 2-3 k
your learning or for profesional use?
Still learning..working on maya basics.
COD or CS?


for rendering, you'l be better off with FirePro but your gaming will take a hit
I know nvidia quadrofx and ati firepro is far better for rendering but our facilty suggest go for pro cads if u have budget Rs.25000 or more(Mid range Pro cards) becuase the entry level profesional cards a just for name their Performance is not good it better to get a gaming card for Rs.10000 then a enrty level pro cards..

One more question I have in my mind will Cosair Vx 550 will sufficent for crossfire 2*5770, or i have to get a more powerful PSU.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Prakash29617

One more question I have in my mind will Cosair Vx 550 will sufficent for crossfire 2*5770, or i have to get a more powerful PSU.

nope. you'll need TX650W or more depending on rest of config. minimum is TX650.

[ajai5777]

Stick to the MSI board first mentioned.Its got x8-x8 crossfire.Its decent for future.
Corsair vx 550 can handle 2X 5770

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ajai5777

Corsair vx 550 can handle 2X 5770

can? can't. it'll be like pulling last .01W of power out of that PSU. considering 2XHD4890 somehow running on asigh's rig, i'll never suggest going for crossfire on a VX550. even if its powerful & may handle, better get a PSU that certified to handle two baby monsters.

[ajai5777]

I think it can. Because 2X5770 consumes less than 250W in max load.Then you calculate the total requirement.

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Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

nope. you'll need TX650W or more depending on rest of config. minimum is TX650.

Now I agree Sam.vx 550 is a close call.TX650W will be sufficient.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ajai5777

I think it can. Because 2X5770 consumes less than 250W in max load.Then you calculate the total requirement.

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Now I agree Sam.vx 550 is a close call.TX650W will be sufficient.

yes VX550W will support but why risk it? its like that. Crossfire isn't a joke. 2 HD5770 extracting juice out of a PSU. here some even suggested a VX550 for supporting HD5770 (i not sure what made them suggest so much). X6 @ 3Ghz + ATX mobo + 2XHD5770 + blah blah blah =/= VX550W TX650W

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

well thanks sam and ajai5777 for your replies, right nw i don't have a budget for tx650 so i will buy vx 450 for now nd buy tx 650 when i will buy another 5770 .

[pulsar_swift]

ok. mobo stick to GB or MSI. No ASUS. RAM is important if you plan to overclock in the future, so you can go ahead with the rip-jaws

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

should i go for 1333MHz or 1600MHz the only price difference is Rs.350/-

[The Sorcerer]

^^ If you choose 1600mhz rams, just keep in mind that you will have to set the ram frequency to 1600mhz manually or else it will detect the ram @ 1333mhz. Go for the ripjaws. There's not much difference between 7 and the 8 series AMD chipsets as far as performance goes, just features, pcie slot and minor changes.

For the record, vx550 can support 5770 on crossfire easily. Certification is nothing more than a badge which meets the specification of a body/organisation/company that gives the sticker. The specification of the body/organisation/company does not always mean that its the best specs that one will receive. If you read the 80 plus testing methodology and the operational temps they test the psu to give the sticker, even an obsolete cm 600 extreme qualifies for the sticker on papers with flying colours.

Asus? Avoid. MSI? Mediocre but does the job. Biostar? Dirt cheap alternate-but personally, prevent boards which have solid caps for the CPU and rest use electrolytic caps. Gigabyte? Preferred but comes with a premium.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by The Sorcerer

There's not much difference between 7 and the 8 series AMD chipsets as far as performance goes, just features, pcie slot and minor changes.

depends on that particular chipset actually. IGP chipsets are more OC'ble. ALink III been introduced @ all chipsets. PCI lanes been increased in the flagship chipset 890FX. USB 2.0 has increased. Sata III (if Southbridge is SB850). manufacturing process has shrunk. that all i think.

Originally Posted by The Sorcerer

For the record, vx550 can support 5770 on crossfire easily. Certification is nothing more than a badge which meets the specification of a body/organisation/company that gives the sticker. The specification of the body/organisation/company does not always mean that its the best specs that one will receive. If you read the 80 plus testing methodology and the operational temps they test the psu to give the sticker, even an obsolete cm 600 extreme qualifies for the sticker on papers with flying colours.

i already told VX550W will support but with a cabinet full of power hungry goodies, better stick to a better one.

Originally Posted by The Sorcerer

Asus? Avoid. MSI? Mediocre but does the job. Biostar? Dirt cheap alternate-but personally, prevent boards which have solid caps for the CPU and rest use electrolytic caps. Gigabyte? Preferred but comes with a premium.

has the problem with Asus continues in 8series too? buggy. for MSI, should mention the word "value". Biostar entrylevel ones only got that. rest of the lineup costing 5k+ have all solid caps. but for that price better stick to MSI.

[pulsar_swift]

So GB is the preffered mobo. Hhm. When i purchased my PC no one had GB . In Pune only ASUS was available.

One clarification on BIOSTAR. Every one seems to be a fan of BIO T785HD-G3 mobo, is it not good ? I mean does fall under the category "boards which have solid caps for the CPU and rest use electrolytic caps" ?

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My personal experience with ASUS is that, when i was trouble shooting my PC for high fan speed and other related warning messages,every one was suggesting check there should be some option for warning messages in the BIOS.
ASUS BIOS didnt have any such option. I was thouroughly disappointed with the BIOS apart from that no other issues

[ajai5777]

My priority order goes like this
Asus-->MSI-->Gigabyte-->Biostar

[chetan.g]

well ... along with all suggestions u can take a look on ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO motherboard + ATI radeon 5770 or 8000 series ..just google

[pulsar_swift]

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO is not VFM. You can boards from MSI or GB 785 boards @ <=5K.
EVO costs 6.5K. Have the prices gone down ?

[The Sorcerer]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

IGP chipsets are more OC'ble.

880G, 890gx, 790fx are reviewed, tested and compared with a 790G board and posted in this forum's review section. Most are pretty much the same, although 890G and 790FX can give pretty good overclocks. As I said- as far as PERFORMANCE is concerned, there's not much different.

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

i already told VX550W will support but with a cabinet full of power hungry goodies, better stick to a better one.

Assuming its a system with 3-4 HDs with moderate overclocks on the processor alone, it will suffice.

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

for MSI, should mention the word "value".

Service/replacement is erratic. Asus is worse but few claim otherwise. Some 785g board from Asus had weird issues with a corsair xms3 ram which ran on 1t and was not Linpack stable despite running on stock with all the values being mentioned manually, even the new ones. I wish that was the end of it but then again 890G pro something which someone bought despite my criticism had some weird issue. Not only the 1t issue, but also some odd issues with 1090T. Don't get me wrong- asus makes good hardware, bios and service simply makes you look somewhere else. After getting your hands dirty with gigabyte's bios and then asus' bios, you would probably make the same conclusion and prefer to stick with gigabyte. But once you figured out the ups and downs of asus' issues and learn to somewhat tame it, it works as it should. Then again- why take the hassle? Gigabyte board are bit expensive compared to other counterparts, but you do get what you pay for. One should always have a good enough case with decent enough power supply and a good case as it makes a lot of difference in long term.

FYI, gigabyte boards are available in Pune from a store called ankita sales. If you have a problem as far as availability is concerned, get it from a neighbouring store like primeabgb.com

[Sam]

Originally Posted by The Sorcerer

880G, 890gx, 790fx are reviewed, tested and compared with a 790G board and posted in this forum's review section. Most are pretty much the same, although 890G and 790FX can give pretty good overclocks. As I said- as far as PERFORMANCE is concerned, there's not much different.

true. OC ability just got a 200Mhz boost. enough to give a few couple of extra FPS. nothing more.

Originally Posted by The Sorcerer

Assuming its a system with 3-4 HDs with moderate overclocks on the processor alone, it will suffice.

oh never knew it'll suffice. thanks for clearing my doubts BTW.

Originally Posted by The Sorcerer

Service/replacement is erratic. Asus is worse but few claim otherwise. Some 785g board from Asus had weird issues with a corsair xms3 ram which ran on 1t and was not Linpack stable despite running on stock with all the values being mentioned manually, even the new ones. I wish that was the end of it but then again 890G pro something which someone bought despite my criticism had some weird issue. Not only the 1t issue, but also some odd issues with 1090T. Don't get me wrong- asus makes good hardware, bios and service simply makes you look somewhere else. After getting your hands dirty with gigabyte's bios and then asus' bios, you would probably make the same conclusion and prefer to stick with gigabyte. But once you figured out the ups and downs of asus' issues and learn to somewhat tame it, it works as it should. Then again- why take the hassle?
FYI, gigabyte boards are available in Pune from a store called ankita sales. If you have a problem as far as availability is concerned, get it from a neighbouring store like primeabgb.com

so my prediction came true. bug still affecting motherboards. they got such huge lineup of boards, issues like this should be common.

also Gigabytes pricing is almost same as Asus. so better stick to one which don't give unnecessary headaches.

[The Sorcerer]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

so my prediction came true.

As far as my observation/experience goes, its happening since P5Q days. My 800mhz cl5 was stable on stock only when one of the bios release came out in January of last year.

[pulsar_swift]

[QUOTE=The Sorcerer;

FYI, gigabyte boards are available in Pune from a store called ankita sales. If you have a problem as far as availability is concerned, get it from a neighbouring store like primeabgb.com[/QUOTE]

No No. I already purchased my RIG in APRIL

[The Sorcerer]

^^ Just letting you know.
BTW, even if its not available there, if you put out the comment in regards to availability, issues with RMA, etc. on gigabyte's facebook page, they see what can be done and try to get it resolved, provided the query is a practical one.

[pulsar_swift]

wow, thats great. May be i will for GB,if required when i upgrade to X6 next year. My current 785 EVO supports X6

[Hsakarp_kahtap]

thanks to all of you for your comments and valuable suggestions.