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[msn]

Hello,

I came to know about this forum from one of my friend and got registered. I found interesting topics and read them.

After reading about the forum, now I feel like buying a New Proccy, Motherboard and Ram. I have I-ball SMPS, 80GB IDE Barracuda from my Old System and ATX Cabinet.

My Job involves : Video Encoding on Vegas Studio, Pinnacle Editing Suite, Photoshop CS.

I dont play much of games but my bro is a gamer and he might be one of the User on my Comp.

My Budget is 20k for Proccy + Ram + MB + Graphics Card (Optional)

My Pref. MB : MSI 785 G E53 or 785 GM E65
Proccy : Phenom X4 955 Black Edition - (Some says they have overheating Issues)

RAM - Kingston - 2GB - DDR3

Please help me with your suggestions

Thanks

[saurabh_1e]

Processor AMD Processor Athlon II X4 630 @5.5k

Mobo Biostar TA785G3 @4.2k or Biostar TA790GXBE@4.5k

Ram Kingston 2GB DDR-III @2.9k

Graphiccard Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5@6k

even get a new HDD Western Digital 16MB Cache 500GB SATA Hard Drive @2.3k

and a new cabinet and psu
CABBY Coolermaster Elite 310 @1.7k
PSU FSP Saga II 400 Watts @2.3k


Total Approx 25k~26k with taxes

[krishnandu.sarkar]

Yup, dump your I-Ball PSU, it's a crap. It may burn you gfx card and other components. Go as saurabh said.

[rahul.007]

Originally Posted by saurabh_1e

Processor AMD Processor Athlon II X4 630 @5.5k

Mobo Biostar TA785G3 @4.2k or Biostar TA790GXBE@4.5k

Ram Kingston 2GB DDR-III @2.9k

Graphiccard Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5@6k

even get a new HDD Western Digital 16MB Cache 500GB SATA Hard Drive @2.3k

and a new cabinet and psu
CABBY Coolermaster Elite 310 @1.7k
PSU FSP Saga II 400 Watts @2.3k


Total Approx 25k~26k with taxes

nice config.... go with it.... and do remember to change you iball psu and get at least vip 500w @ 2.2k or gigabyte superb @ 2.2k....

[msn]

Thanks Saurabh and Krishnendu,

I m all set to get RAM, Cabinet & HDD. No seconds thoughts on your suggestions, but have few Question & Doubts :

1. Why AMD Processor Athlon II X4 630 & why not Phenom X4 955 Black Edition. I heard performance wise Phenom X4 955 Black Edition is better (my friend told that). Any specific reason tht i shud go with Athlon II X4 630 ? Guys, I can increase my budget here and there but need a powerful proccy somewhr around 7K-8K

2. Mobo Biostar TA785G3 or Biostar TA790GXBE - Guys, for some reason, I am not comfortable buying Biostar, rather I would like to go with MSI or Asus. (Here is Bangalore, most of my collegues have MSI or Asus) Budget set for MB - 5.5K - 6.5K. I dont want Biostar but is there a reason for suggesting BIOSTAR MBs ?


3. Good Suggestion - Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5@6k, but friends, I can live with my On board graphics for couple of months. Then I wud like to invest 6K on Graphics. Can i do that ?

4. Guys, My I-Ball PSU is only Rs. 680.00 and I definitely agree that there has to be some features in PSU FSP Saga II 400 Watts for which I m paying 2.3K. Guys, please let me know the difference so that next time i suggest someone else, I can state the reasons.


Please clarify my doubts so that I may convince my mind for what i m paying, I am getting it.

Thanks again guys

[Sam]

Originally Posted by saurabh_1e

Processor AMD Processor Athlon II X4 630 @5.5k

Mobo Biostar TA785G3 @4.2k or Biostar TA790GXBE@4.5k

Ram Kingston 2GB DDR-III @2.9k

Graphiccard Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5@6k

even get a new HDD Western Digital 16MB Cache 500GB SATA Hard Drive @2.3k

and a new cabinet and psu
CABBY Coolermaster Elite 310 @1.7k
PSU FSP Saga II 400 Watts @2.3k


Total Approx 25k~26k with taxes

well, i'll suggest little different:

Processor: Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8GHz @ 11.1k //will be helpful as u doing heavily multi threading work//
Motherboard: Biostar TA785G3 HD: 4.3k
Ram: Transcend 2Gb DDR3-1333Mhz: 2.8k //try get 4Gb//
Hard Disk: Western Digital 500Gb Blue: 2.3k
PSU: FSP Saga II 400W: 2.1k //Gigabyte 460W as alternate//
Cabinet: use old one.

if u still need graphics card (IGP good enough to game upto 19" monitors), get HD4650 512Mb. this will sufficient to play most games at mid resolution- low details.

total: 22.6k. graphics card price extra. or u may get the MSI 785GM E65, if u have problem with Bio*.

Originally Posted by krishnandu.sarkar

Yup, dump your I-Ball PSU, it's a crap. It may burn you gfx card and other components. Go as saurabh said.

yup. it'll only kill the new rig.

---------- Post added at 10:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:39 PM ----------

Originally Posted by msn

1. Why AMD Processor Athlon II X4 630 & why not Phenom X4 955 Black Edition. I heard performance wise Phenom X4 955 Black Edition is better (my friend told that). Any specific reason tht i shud go with Athlon II X4 630 ? Guys, I can increase my budget here and there but need a powerful proccy somewhr around 7K-8K

forget all these X4's. get X6. your work needs more cores. not more speed.

Originally Posted by msn

2. Mobo Biostar TA785G3 or Biostar TA790GXBE - Guys, for some reason, I am not comfortable buying Biostar, rather I would like to go with MSI or Asus. (Here is Bangalore, most of my collegues have MSI or Asus) Budget set for MB - 5.5K - 6.5K. I dont want Biostar but is there a reason for suggesting BIOSTAR MBs ?

G3 is bad. GXBE is DDR2 only. stay away from them. stick to one i suggest or the one u mentioned at 1st. get MSI/Gigabyte. don't go for Asus. again bad. if u want something else, get ECS or DFI.

Originally Posted by msn

3. Good Suggestion - Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5@6k, but friends, I can live with my On board graphics for couple of months. Then I wud like to invest 6K on Graphics. Can i do that ?

surely. thats better option. see if onboard enough. if u need more, get a discrete 1.

Originally Posted by msn

4. Guys, My I-Ball PSU is only Rs. 680.00 and I definitely agree that there has to be some features in PSU FSP Saga II 400 Watts for which I m paying 2.3K. Guys, please let me know the difference so that next time i suggest someone else, I can state the reasons.

not able deliver anywhere near rated power. also its not resistant to spike & all. not active PFC. etc. also build quality bad. the components used inside not good. and last is warrenty.[/QUOTE]

[satyamy]

Originally Posted by msn

1. Why AMD Processor Athlon II X4 630 & why not Phenom X4 955 Black Edition. I heard performance wise Phenom X4 955 Black Edition is better (my friend told that). Any specific reason tht i shud go with Athlon II X4 630 ? Guys, I can increase my budget here and there but need a powerful proccy somewhr around 7K-8K

4. Guys, My I-Ball PSU is only Rs. 680.00 and I definitely agree that there has to be some features in PSU FSP Saga II 400 Watts for which I m paying 2.3K. Guys, please let me know the difference so that next time i suggest someone else, I can state the reasons.


Please clarify my doubts so that I may convince my mind for what i m paying, I am getting it.

Thanks again guys

if u can increase ur budget than go for Phenom X4 955 Black Edition

[msn]

Guys,

Made my Decision -

Processor - Phenom X4 955 Black Edition
RAM - Transcend 2Gb DDR3-1333Mhz
Motherboard : MSI 785GM E65
Hard Disk: Western Digital 500Gb Blue
PSU: FSP Saga II 400 Watts
Cabby : Coolermaster Elite 310


I also forgot to tell u guys about my Monitor - Benq G2220HD. Now, as i was reading the post, I got another doubt (u guys gotta kill me ..)

Will my MSI 785GM E65 Board able to support Benq Monitor ?


If you have anything more to add on ... please go ahead !!

Thanks a Ton.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by msn

Guys,

Made my Decision -

Processor - Phenom X4 955 Black Edition
RAM - Transcend 2Gb DDR3-1333Mhz
Motherboard : MSI 785GM E65
Hard Disk: Western Digital 500Gb Blue
PSU: FSP Saga II 400 Watts
Cabby : Coolermaster Elite 310


I also forgot to tell u guys about my Monitor - Benq G2220HD. Now, as i was reading the post, I got another doubt (u guys gotta kill me ..)

Will my MSI 785GM E65 Board able to support Benq Monitor ?


If you have anything more to add on ... please go ahead !!

Thanks a Ton.

i'll still say, go for X6. rest everything good. 955 got heat issues.

if gaming on the list, it'll be trouble. cause IGP not made for HD gaming. & at low resolution, games will look ugly.

[vickybat]

@msn

Buddy Sam.Shab's config is pretty good. Go with the x6 as its a lot future proof and yes it generates a lot less heat than the denebs.

For gaming you need a separate gpu as the onboard graphics juat doesn't cut it.Invest in a 5670 or 5750 based card and you're good to go.

The above config will definitely make your system futureproof.

[msn]

Thanks Sam,

So, AMD has still not overcome the Heating Issues tht it used to have earlier. Phenom X4 955 Black Edition has got the same heating issue ?

Now confusion again. Then dont u guys think Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 Processor wud be a good option ?

Let me tweak it a Bit :


Processor - Core 2 Quad Q8300

Motherboard : You guys decide (MSI / ASUS)

RAM - Transcend 2Gb DDR3-1333Mhz
Hard Disk: Western Digital 500Gb Blue
PSU: FSP Saga II 400 Watts
Cabby : Coolermaster Elite 310


I think i wud rather think of Intel Platform. Dont u guys think that it would be a better option ???

Waiting for Posts !!

[ajai5777]

Yeah go for Phenom II X6 1055T only 1.5k more than the X4 955

---------- Post added at 01:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:07 AM ----------

Dont go for that proccy not VFM.
Best option is phenom II X6

[Sam]

Originally Posted by msn

Thanks Sam,

So, AMD has still not overcome the Heating Issues tht it used to have earlier. Phenom X4 955 Black Edition has got the same heating issue ?

Now confusion again. Then dont u guys think Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 Processor wud be a good option ?

Let me tweak it a Bit :


Processor - Core 2 Quad Q8300

Motherboard : You guys decide (MSI / ASUS)

RAM - Transcend 2Gb DDR3-1333Mhz
Hard Disk: Western Digital 500Gb Blue
PSU: FSP Saga II 400 Watts
Cabby : Coolermaster Elite 310


I think i wud rather think of Intel Platform. Dont u guys think that it would be a better option ???

Waiting for Posts !!

as far as i read. of all the latest AMD proccies, only X4 955 generates lot of heat (X4 965 is cool). although its rare, still its better keep your eyes wide open. well, go for X6. it runs damn cool (reviewers & enthusiasts all over the world OC it past 955/965 BE records on the default heatsink).

also don't think about Core2 series. it'll become obsolete, soon.

NOTE: u may go for 955 & check if u getting heat issues (if u unlucky). than get a OEM heatsink + fan, selling out ~1.5k

[msn]

According to you guys, the config shud look like this ...

Processor - Phenom II X6 1055T
RAM - Transcend 2Gb DDR3-1333Mhz
Motherboard : MSI 785GM E65
Hard Disk: Western Digital 500Gb Blue
PSU: FSP Saga II 400 Watts
Cabby : Coolermaster Elite 310

Guys, As I said, I can live my life without a dedicated Graphics Card for a couple of months.

My Question now comes to Graphics Card. If i use Benq G2220HD, can i be able to use it for my general work, such as Photoshop CS, Editing n Stuffs connecting it to the Integrated Graphics that comes with MSI - 785GM E65 ?

My planning is to get a good graphics card for around 8K after two months or so. What are ur suggestions ???

You guys are helping me a lot. Thanks again ppl.

[pulsar_swift]

Guys,

X4 955 BE doesn't overheat. It works just fine. Its only the stock HSF that is noisy and you may not like it. Our forum member Cilus is using a 955BE overclocked to 3.6Ghz on the stock HSF.

But 1055T @ 11K makes a better buy than 955BE.

Now one more point, theoretically X6 should work on a 785board. But are you sure that MSI or Gigabyte have given BIOS update so that X6 works on their boards ?

OFFTOPIC:

My mobo supports X6. La la la laM4A785TD-V EVO
AMD® 785G/SB710
2002




http://event.asus.com/mb/2010/m4_6cores/

[rahul.007]

me using phenom II*4 955 BE.... absolutely no heating issues....

idle:- 39'C
playing cod 4 and gta sa :- 49'C
encoding .vob to .avi(divx) :- 54'C(max)

i have just put an intake fan on the side....

ow one more point, theoretically X6 should work on a 785board. But are you sure that MSI or Gigabyte have given BIOS update so that X6 works on their boards ?

absolutely correct.... *6 works on 890 but i dont think any bios update has been released for 790 or 785 chipset....

[Cilus]

Guys the heating problem with Phenom II 955 is not true. They problem may be with the Stock HSF. Also the new Phenom II 955 is also having B3 Stepping like the Phenom II 965 (mine is having it) and much more overclockable.

2ndly as Sam and others pointed, at this time going for a X6 processor is the best idea, as you have to pay only 1.5k bucks extra. The Applications mentioned by Ops, will have a definite performance boost for the hexacore.

[pulsar_swift]

Guys X4 955BE is now available at 7800 including taxes. X6 1055T is @ 11K including taxes. Thats a good Rs 3200 difference.

ASUS has issued bios update for all M4A series mobos. My mobo M4A785TD V EVO officially supports X6. No news on MSI and Gigabyte yet.

[msn]

So, If I go for X4 955BE with CM Hyper Tx# Cooler, then it shud be fine for my Motherboard - MSI 785GM E65 to handle it.

But, its all the same paying extra for TX Cooler, and I feel I shud go with X6 1055T.
Then which motherboard shud I go for ? Wont MSI 785GM E65 suffice my needs ? Any good MOBO Suggestions for X6 1055T Proccy ? (MSI / Asus )

Guys, As I said, I can live my life without a dedicated Graphics Card for a couple of months. My planning is to get a good graphics card for around 8K after two months or so.

What are ur suggestions ???

[Sam]

Originally Posted by msn

So, If I go for X4 955BE with CM Hyper Tx# Cooler, then it shud be fine for my Motherboard - MSI 785GM E65 to handle it.

But, its all the same paying extra for TX Cooler, and I feel I shud go with X6 1055T.
Then which motherboard shud I go for ? Wont MSI 785GM E65 suffice my needs ? Any good MOBO Suggestions for X6 1055T Proccy ? (MSI / Asus )

Guys, As I said, I can live my life without a dedicated Graphics Card for a couple of months. My planning is to get a good graphics card for around 8K after two months or so.

What are ur suggestions ???

if going for X6, first check if MSI released any new bios. or if going for any other brand, check 1st. also try goggling.

[msn]

Thanks for the valuable inputs.

I found this link helpful - MSI lists of Phenom II X6 compatible motherboardsand MSI Events Link




I dont want to upgrade BIOS as soon as I unpack my MOBO. It involves lot of expertise. I want my mobo with ready-to-go features.


And Once again the whole list is making me confused. Can you guys suggest a good motherboard from this list. Pref. is On Board Graphics, Firewire, Esata. I wud like to add a good graphics card within couple of months.

Thanks again sam

[pulsar_swift]

Buddy, if you have the money, just go ahead and buy X6 1055T and any 890board from gigabyte or MSI.

[msn]

ASUS has issued bios update for all M4A series mobos. My mobo M4A785TD V EVO officially supports X6. No news on MSI and Gigabyte yet

I found this link helpful - MSI lists of Phenom II X6 compatible motherboards and MSI Events Link

If i use Benq G2220HD, can i be able to use it on MSI 785G E65 without buying a Graphics Card ?

[pulsar_swift]

Originally Posted by msn

I found this link helpful - MSI lists of Phenom II X6 compatible motherboards and MSI Events Link

If i use Benq G2220HD, can i be able to use it on MSI 785G E65 without buying a Graphics Card ?

Not sure about 22", but i am using the IGP with ,my DELL ULTRASHARP 19" widescreen,superb clarity.

[msn]

Guys,

Any inputs on this -

If i use Benq G2220HD, can i be able to use it on MSI 785G E65 without buying a Graphics Card ?

All set to get my new system now...!!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by msn

Guys,

Any inputs on this -

All set to get my new system now...!!

except gaming, good for everything. gaming can b done, bt will look ugly.

[msn]

Thanks Sam and you all,

except gaming, good for everything. gaming can b done, bt will look ugly

Yes! I know and thats because of On board Graphics. Rite ?
I need a month and then will get a Graphics Card for 6-6.5K.

Do I need to Update my BIOS for my Motherboard MSI 785GM E65 ? I have never done that. Any idea how to go about it ?

Thanks for replyin again guys !

[Sam]

Originally Posted by msn

Yes! I know and thats because of On board Graphics. Rite ?
I need a month and then will get a Graphics Card for 6-6.5K.

well partially. cause IGP can be used for gaming but at low resolution. running low resolution in a 22incher will give BAD PICTURES. thats the only reason. u can OC the IGP a bit, ~300Mhz over stock but still u'll not be able get any playable FPS.

Originally Posted by msn

Do I need to Update my BIOS for my Motherboard MSI 785GM E65 ? I have never done that. Any idea how to go about it ?

Thanks for replyin again guys !

MSI will update the BIOS of the new boards. however if the board is a bit old, u'll hav to downland new BIOS & update it manually.

[msn]

well partially. cause IGP can be used for gaming but at low resolution. running low resolution in a 22incher will give BAD PICTURES. thats the only reason. u can OC the IGP a bit, ~300Mhz over stock but still u'll not be able get any playable FPS

So, according to you SAM, I shud also invest 6.5K more on Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5. What say ???

And I m all set rite ?

So, Config as follows :

Processor : Phenom II X6 1055T
RAM : Transcend 2Gb DDR3-1333Mhz
Motherboard : MSI 785GM E65
Hard Disk: Western Digital 500Gb Blue
PSU: FSP Saga II 400 Watts
Cabby : Coolermaster Elite 310

...and finally...added...

GPU : Sapphire HD 5670 512MB GDDR5
Monitor : Benq G2220HD

Done.. guys, Now anyone knows a reliable store in Bangalore ? I have quite a few but looking for recommended stores.

Will really appreciate if someone quotes approx. prices.

[pulsar_swift]

whats the price of MSI E65 ?