Upgrade problem plz help.

[ajai5777]

I had to go for MSI GF615M P33 due to unavailability of 785G chipsets in my city.But after pairing it with Athlon II X4.I have been getting decent performance from it.I purchased Saphire HD 5670 and added to this rig.Now i am getting good performance in most games.Due to the big size of HD 5670 and mATX form factor, I lost 1 of my PCI slot.I had a TV tuner card and a sound card in my PCI slots.So I removed my creative SB 5.1 vx from 1 PCI and started to use onboard Realtek HD 7.1.I have creative T6100 and its being played crap in onboard audio.Now I think its the best time to get a 785G chipset.I observed 2 models, MSI 785G E51 and Biostar TA785G3 HD.But in E51 PCI and PCIe slots are arranged similar to my current board.So I decided to go for Biostar TA785G3 HD.My PSU is Zebronics 450W sata plus.In my current config it seems safe.Now I have a doubt.Can I change the motherboard with out changing my current PSU?

I tried PC power supply calculator.The required wattage was 254 for my current config.For testing I tried High end desktop board as motherboard then the required wattage increased to 275.

Will it be stable in my current PSU?

[krishnandu.sarkar]

Well......1st of all I must say you choosed a gr8 board(i.e. Biostar TA785G3 HD). Well....With Athlon II X4 620 + Biostar TA785G3 HD + HD 5670 + Couple of HDD's and DVD Writer I'll suggest you not to depend on zebby PSU's. If you can afford 2k more just get Gigabyte Superb 460w @ 2.2k or the FSP SAGA II.

Look actually it's not all about the wattage. What's the rating on you volt rails?? Specially +12V one?? That is what matters most.

[ajai5777]

I read somewhere that its 20A in 12V rail.But I am not sure.

[krishnandu.sarkar]

Just open the cabby dude.....there is a sticker in the body of SMPS. Everything is mentioned there. Post it here.

[ajai5777]

16A in 12V rail
24A in 5V
25A in 3.3v
0.3A in -5V
0.8A in -12V
2A in +5VSB

[krishnandu.sarkar]

Well......I'll suggest to change the SMPS. Get one of the following I've mentioned. You are running it at your own risk.

[Piyush]

Originally Posted by ajai5777

16A in 12V rail
24A in 5V
25A in 3.3v
0.3A in -5V
0.8A in -12V
2A in +5VSB

pretty brave you are

[ajai5777]

Why? Is it too bad?.Now I dont have the budget for both the PSU and mobo upgrade.One of my PCI slot is covered by HD 5670.I cant put my soundblaster on it.Thats the most annoying thing

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ajai5777

Why? Is it too bad?.Now I dont have the budget for both the PSU and mobo upgrade.One of my PCI slot is covered by HD 5670.I cant put my soundblaster on it.Thats the most annoying thing

upgrade your PSU for now. else later u may even loose your mobo + graphics card.

[Piyush]

^^rightly said

[huntluck]

You really need a break dude!

Boss for running GPU + MB..you may really want a good PSU prefer to go with 550 wattage zebronic pro series or iBall black stallion whichever you prefer as per your " k " ....

[krishnandu.sarkar]

At my 1st post I've mentioned 2 PSU's at most lower budget. Take a look.

[huntluck]

Originally Posted by krishnandu.sarkar

At my 1st post I've mentioned 2 PSU's at most lower budget. Take a look.

I Have seen them I have no idea of that PSU that how much output impedance is observed well if you go to budget then i suggest not to buy...
Don't make compromise with the Quality.

the ratio of +2% ^^ in price.. Doesn't affect I suppose seeing future

[Sam]

Originally Posted by huntluck

You really need a break dude!

Boss for running GPU + MB..you may really want a good PSU prefer to go with 550 wattage zebronic platinum or iBall black stallion whichever you prefer as per your " k " ....

truly speaking, i thought u were joking. Zebronics Platinum is crap (Pro series somewhat better). its nothing compared to FSP(the OEM of Gigabyte) or Seasonic(OEM of Corsair & many many more). many may disagree but most won't. ok, u tell why (most) members here go for Corsair VX450W selling out hard earned 3.8-4k when they can buy a 550W Zeb Platinum with a *bling* *bling* 100mm Blue LED for only 2.5k. maybe even less, which will attract lot more attention, than a white FSP PSU.

can't say much about the iBall black stallion. but just that iBall PSU's even if they cost as much a good PSU. can't be trusted for running a system consisting of power sucking parts.

[huntluck]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

truly speaking, i thought u were joking. Zebronics Platinum is crap (Pro series somewhat better). its nothing compared to FSP(the OEM of Gigabyte) or Seasonic(OEM of Corsair & many many more). many may disagree but most won't. ok, u tell why (most) members here go for Corsair VX450W selling out hard earned 3.8-4k when they can buy a 550W Zeb Platinum with a *bling* *bling* 100mm Blue LED for only 2.5k. maybe even less, which will attract lot more attention, than a white FSP PSU.

can't say much about the iBall black stallion. but just that iBall PSU's even if they cost as much a good PSU. can't be trusted for running a system consisting of power sucking parts.

Well in case of budget i suggested him that As in every PSU's it differs with copper or aluminum winding used...the pro is series is best i agree with it Mr X.
Many gaming system at video parlors use pro xxx series.

But if you think in international way then there are very Rich brands like cooler master, corsair, HP, M-RON, triplet etc.... also

Now it's his choice to choose the one of it. As if any product from any manufacturer is manufactured then most probably it's sold.... So the quality is directly exponential to $$$$ hehehe:-P

[ajai5777]

Actually I dont know anything about PSU.I ran my old PC for 5years in a frontech SMPS with out damaging any components.I sold that PC to get some cash and upgraded to this.I was out of budget thats why I went for ordinary PSU.But in my current configuration its safe even in heavy load.Only concern is that I lost 1 PCI slot due to the big size of HD 5670.I dont have budget for PSU+new mobo right now.

I think its better to give up the idea of upgrading.Is there anything to extend PCI slot?
All I need to use my SB 5.1 in this board.
I'll consider upgrading PSU later.

[huntluck]

Originally Posted by ajai5777

Actually I dont know anything about PSU.I ran my old PC for 5years in a frontech SMPS with out damaging any components.I sold that PC to get some cash and upgraded to this.I was out of budget thats why I went for ordinary PSU.But in my current configuration its safe even in heavy load.Only concern is that I lost 1 PCI slot due to the big size of HD 5670.I dont have budget for PSU+new mobo right now.

I think its better to give up the idea of upgrading.Is there anything to extend PCI slot?
All I need to use my SB 5.1 in this board.
I'll consider upgrading PSU later.

If you want a lifetime partner Get an corsair or cooler master smps.
No other choice 55o wattage min. requirement

check some here http://www.priceindia.in/computer/co...-supply-price/

[ajai5777]

I agree with the 'brand' thing.But why do I need 550W when the max power reqd for my configuration in a high end desktop board is just 274?

If my budget allows, it will be surely a Gigabyte Active PFC 460W @ 2.2k

[asingh]

Zebronics, iBALL PSU = total sh$$. Be it running a CPU, 256MB DIMM and one HDD platter. I am not sure why people are recommending these PSU units. They are like the plague, to be avoided, come what may be.

OP, you need a minimal 400 PSU. Ideally choose from these brands, Corsair, Tagan, Gigabyte, FSP, Silverstone, Coolermaster (not Extreme series). Not sure what The Monkey was suggesting, but he seems to be off his rocker.

[huntluck]

Originally Posted by asigh

Zebronics, iBALL PSU = total sh$$. Be it running a CPU, 256MB DIMM and one HDD platter. I am not sure why people are recommending these PSU units. They are like the plague, to be avoided, come what may be.

OP, you need a minimal 400 PSU. Ideally choose from these brands, Corsair, Tagan, Gigabyte, FSP, Silverstone, Cooler master (not Extreme series). Not sure what The Monkey was suggesting, but he seems to be off his rocker.

To be more specific Buddy I think when the system is OC ,it requires more supply.The 550 watt smps will be great enough to drive the components.
As for future components You might know The power requirement is over 500 wattage Check out !

I gave him advice securing his present and future also .So he might not get any problems

[asingh]

^^
I recommended him 400W. If he plans to OC, then he can raise it to 550W. Even if the power requirement is minimal (per say 250-300W) they quality of the PSU should be the best. Also the link you gave for CM E series, those are tick-tock bombs. I have read many experiences of those PSUs failing, propagating problems to the motherboard and killing components.

[Sam]

^^ u talking about OC to a guy who done one of best OC out here at TDF. running two power hungry & uber powerful cards in crossfire & have lots & lots of peripherals attached to his cpu. all he using is a Corsair 650W to power his entire rig.

all OP needs is a good 80% certified 400W unit. not 500-600W unit. once OC the rig will consume more power but not 550W or so. he can go ahead with FSP Saga II 400W. if decide OC, than FSP 450W or Corsair CX400W or Seasonic 380W. also if OP continue use his present crap power unit, in future he better think about getting a new rig, not only a new PSU.

---------- Post added at 03:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:27 PM ----------

in above post, i was pointing to huntluck, not u asigh. actually noticed your post only after posting mine.

[Piyush]

@huntluck
man CM extreme series is being recognized as a perfect bomb for terrorists can get at this price

I MEAN IT IS VALUE FOR MONEY BOMB

[huntluck]

Originally Posted by piyush120290

@huntluck
man CM extreme series is being recognized as a perfect bomb for terrorists can get at this price

I MEAN IT IS VALUE FOR MONEY BOMB

Hey please all of you why are you pointing at the prices, i gave it to see the product models. I suggest you instead of debating on prices why don't you Discuss for product's . Well I'm pretty sure none of would like to buy from any website. but would prefer to go and buy themselves from their home city stores. isn't it !

It will be great that we all find the best one out in this discussion about the PSU.

"Even god was not able to make perfect humans then how can these manufactures design products"


good luck!:-P

[asingh]

^^
Ok, what is the best one, as per you. Let us hear it. Please.

[huntluck]

Originally Posted by asigh

^^
Ok, what is the best one, as per you. Let us hear it. Please.

The general rule of thumb is a high quality 500 to 550 watt power supply with sufficient current (amps) on the +12 volt rail(s) can easily power a system with any single video card made. A high quality 700 to 750 watt power supply with sufficient current (amps) on the +12 volt rail(s) can power a system with two video cards operating in dual mode. There are a few exceptions like the new ATI Radeon HD 5XXX series cards which use less power unless OC ,due to their energy efficiency.

A high quality 500 to 550 watt psu will have a +12 volt rail rated at 40 amps. A high quality 700 to 750 watt psu will have a +12 volt rail rated at 60 amps.

In addition the power supply should be at least 80+ Bronze certified for energy efficiency. There are some models available which have achieved 80+ Silver and 80+ Gold Certifications.

Before purchasing a new psu you will need to decide whether you will eventually have a pc with one or two video cards.




Model
CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2

Brand CORSAIR
Model CMPSU-550VX
Spec Type ATX12V V2.2
Maximum Power 550W
Fans 1 x 120mm Double ball-bearing fan
PFC Active
Main Connector 20+4Pin
12V Rails Single
PCI-Express Connector 1 x 6-Pin, 1 x 6+2-Pin
SATA Power Connector 6
SLI Ready
CrossFire Ready
Modular No
Efficiency Up to 85%
Energy-Efficient 80 PLUS Certified
Over Voltage
Protection Yes
Input Voltage 90 - 264 V
Input Frequency Range 50/60 Hz
Input Current 9/ 5A
Output +3.3V@30A,+5V@20A,+12V@41A,-12V@0.8A,+5VSB@3A
MTBF >100,000 Hours
Approvals UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick Features Connectors 1 x Main connector (20+4Pin)
1 x 12V(4+4Pin)
6 x peripheral
6 x SATA
2 x Floppy
2 x PCI-E Features Supports the latest ATX12V v2.2 and is backwards compatible with ATX12V 2.01 systems.
Ultra quiet 120mm double ball-bearing thermally controlled fan.
Double forward switching circuitry design offers high efficiency, up to 85% under wide load range.
Dedicated single +12V rail offers maximum compatibility with latest components.
High quality Japanese capacitors provide uncompromisable performance and reliability.
Extra long cables support full tower size chassis.

Warranty Parts 5 years limited

[Piyush]

^^i dunno what u r trying to convey

u deviate from main issue in every post

[Sam]

Originally Posted by piyush120290

^^i dunno what u r trying to convey

u deviate from main issue in every post

yes, u rite. he firstly mentioned OP go for Zebronics Crap PSU @ 550W. now Corsair PSU @ 550W. not sure what he got in his head. maybe sh**.

[krishnandu.sarkar]

Well.....as I said before if you are on minimum budget go for Gigabyte one or FSP Saga II one that I've mentioned or if you can up your budget go for Corsair VX450 @ 3.8k(It's a gr8 PSU). Anyone of the avobe mentioned PSU will be enough for you considering a updgrade of couple of HDD's.

Dump your Zebby PSU. It's a crap as said by lots of members. And lastly about CM, its Extreme Power series are just sh*t. Can't say about other series. But Real Power series is good.

[Piyush]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

yes, u rite. he firstly mentioned OP go for Zebronics Crap PSU @ 550W. now Corsair PSU @ 550W. not sure what he got in his head. maybe sh**.

rite
i mean i spend my precious 8-10 mins reading his post
and got confused as a hell linking his latest post to the previous ones
boingggggg.....