The Next Generation CUDA Architecture, Code Named Fermi

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by FilledVoid

I'm not going to put this in Fight Club since the tendency is for folks to go at each other rather than the topic.

could'nt help laughing......thats the very basic nature of a forum if you ask me.....

[piyush2202]

Originally Posted by sam9s

Why on earth would one wait for Nvidia DX11 card when we already have ATI DX11 cards even performing better than Nvidia???

simply because the new DX11 cards from nvidia have not yet been tested. They may as well turn out to be better than the HD 5xxx series. Maybe they aren't but it's worth making sure right?

It would be really great to see ECC on a GPU only to turn it into a GPGPU. Plus you've got like 3 billion transistors on the die compared to 2.15 billion on the HD 5870.

So isn't it likely that the Nvidia DX11 just might be faster than the HD 5870?? I'm not saying the 5870 is a bad card, I'm just saying there may just be something better available very soon!!

Now since you prefer anandtech (@Sam.Shab) I'll give you a link that will explain this a lot better:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3721&p=3

[Sam]

Originally Posted by piyush2202

simply because the new DX11 cards from nvidia have not yet been tested. They may as well turn out to be better than the HD 5xxx series. Maybe they aren't but it's worth making sure right?

It would be really great to see ECC on a GPU only to turn it into a GPGPU. Plus you've got like 3 billion transistors on the die compared to 2.15 billion on the HD 5870.

So isn't it likely that the Nvidia DX11 just might be faster than the HD 5870?? I'm not saying the 5870 is a bad card, I'm just saying there may just be something better available very soon!!

Now since you prefer anandtech (@Sam.Shab) I'll give you a link that will explain this a lot better:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3721&p=3

GTX480 will be faster than HD5870. but at the a steep price. it'll surely be costing well above 30k here in India when it gets launched in 8days time. add to it, cause of launch the price of the card wil be sky high. so expect paying 35k for GTX480 & 25k for GTX470.

but 1 more thing, i not sure if Nvidia will launch entry level or midrange card so soon. & to give ATI's midrange card to give competition they must be priced right, which i feel won't happen until Q4 2010. so waiting is not something that i'll advice now to anyone who wants a graphics card.

thanks for the link, however already read it when it got published. i never told Fermi is bad. its better than Evergreen, but all the Evergreen chips are priced just as thry perform. Nvidia maybe asking for bit too much over too little increment in gaming performance. but biggest doubt, other than GTX480 & GTX470 whats other cards will Nvidia release? & when?

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by piyush2202

simply because the new DX11 cards from nvidia have not yet been tested. They may as well turn out to be better than the HD 5xxx series. Maybe they aren't but it's worth making sure right?
It would be really great to see ECC on a GPU only to turn it into a GPGPU. Plus you've got like 3 billion transistors on the die compared to 2.15 billion on the HD 5870.
So isn't it likely that the Nvidia DX11 just might be faster than the HD 5870?? I'm not saying the 5870 is a bad card, I'm just saying there may just be something better available very soon!!
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3721&p=3

Oh man you dont obviously see the picture, Nvidia is NOW launching a card to compete ATI's 6 month old offering, when ATI already is dancing with his powerhouse 5970..........about to launch 5990 with a wopping 4GB of GDDR5 memory that will offer a staggering 307 GBps bandwidth.
Rest assured even if GTX480 is better it would be ...... what??? may be couple of FPS more. Its latest and arguably greatest wont just blow ATI's six-month old offering right out of the water........ and then comes the price.....dont expect it any less then 40K on launch and by the time 480's price comes down OR Nvidia launches any cheaper varient......... ATI will in all probability launch 60 series which invariably will bring the price of 59XX series even further down ......definately lesser than 480 with a performance far better from it........
Getting the pattern here............

ATI currently is way ahead then Nvidia both in terms of Performance and Price.

[NoasArcAngel]

okay @piyush a card with ECC makes no difference.....in terms of FPS.... also @sam piyush is right.... the price range of the new fermi based GTX 480 and GTX 470 will be in price bracket of 25-35k so it is the same as the HD 5990 and 5970 if nvidia manages to push the prices below 30k it will be like snatching away the candy from ATI.... also the specs of the GTX 4xx series look quite uhmmm uhmmm..... powerful they run the same memory as GDDR5 , until now the problem was about the nvidia card which ran on GDDR3 so .... behold guys looks like there is a new kid on the block

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let's wait for a couple of days and see what Nvidia has to offer.... nvidia cannot loose this battle.... so i am keeping my fingers crossed.....

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dude as far as the 6-series graphic cards are concerned.... you will need to wait at least 3-4 months.....

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also..... duhh 4GB of ram is useless.... unless they could bump up the core speeds and the memory clocks... it is the same as saying a 1litre bottle with a fill rate of 15ml/s and a same bottle with a fill rate of 150ml/s..... you get the point 4GB of ram is not going to make any difference as the frame of the games are not that big they hardly ever cross 512mb.

[piyush2202]

I have nothing against ATI here, but I think that ATI released their HD5 series a bit too soon. Agreed that ATI has the edge here with their cards being the first to be released, but where are you going to use that DX11 power?? You buy a new ATI DX11 card because you want to future proof your PC. The problem is that you never know the kind of hardware future DX11 games might require. What if future titles start using tesselation very heavily and then you find that if you'd have waited a bit (and spent a bit more) you'd have got a card that could handle all this stuff better.

Maybe Nvidia didn't release a DX11 card early because they wanted to feel out the market before doing so. Probably because of R&D?

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oh yeah one more thing, Apple Ipod was release nearly a year after Sony Walkman MP3 player. Tell me, which one was more successful?? It's not the time of release that makes a difference man, it's what is under the hood whenever it's released.

[Zangetsu]

Originally Posted by piyush2202

The problem is that you never know the kind of hardware future DX11 games might require. What if future titles start using tesselation very heavily and then you find that if you'd have waited a bit (and spent a bit more) you'd have got a card that could handle all this stuff better.

true, but the upcoming DX11 will be built on same hardware platform.....if i m not wrong or wat else machine they use to build a game...

just look @ Eidos..TR underworld its by far more superior in graphics....as compared 2 its older counterparts...but it still runs in DX9.0 very smoothly...
the game developers has to consider the hardware used by maximum...gamers....& shudnt feel proud by developing a game that runs on very few PCs

PS: after all its a PC & not PS3 where every game looks & runs on same piece of hardware....
whereas in PC they do have 2 do a series of Test on different GCards....for a successfull launch...

[asingh]

The reason nVidia is releasing the Fermi series so late is because the messed up the fabrication/engineering. Basically they were late to the 40nm process, and also their yields were coming out low. Piyush, you are totally wrong by saying that ATI released the HD5xxx too early. Heck, they timed it perfectly post the HD4xxx series. Market was saturated, users were demanding more power for less power consumption. They are spot on for the 40nm road map. They released a HD4xxx series 40nm part first -- as a pipe cleaner. This helped them test and check their 40nm fabrication processes.

Also you guys have it wrong. The HD 5990 and 5970 are not mainstream cards. They are to be utilized when using multiple monitors. The nVidia Fermi series should not be put against these cards. Both the HD 5990 and 5970 are dual GPU units, while the Fermi series as of now, are single GPU. They will wage the war against HD5870. Personally I think nVidia's new cards will be way over priced. For the same price you will get the HD 5990 and 5970 which will deliver much more. The 4GB RAM makes sense when using multiple monitors, of course it does..!

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by NoasArcAngel

[/COLOR]also..... duhh 4GB of ram is useless.... unless they could bump up the core speeds and the memory clocks... it is the same as saying a 1litre bottle with a fill rate of 15ml/s and a same bottle with a fill rate of 150ml/s..... you get the point 4GB of ram is not going to make any difference as the frame of the games are not that big they hardly ever cross 512mb.

r u a serious gamer....anyway HD 5990 are dual display cards, ever tried gaming on dual monitor....at insane res and all eye candy notched up 4GB definitely makes sense......its pushing the limits of both the game and the gamer.....

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Originally Posted by asigh

Also you guys have it wrong. The HD 5990 and 5970 are not mainstream cards. They are to be utilized when using multiple monitors. The nVidia Fermi series should not be put against these cards. Both the HD 5990 and 5970 are dual GPU units, while the Fermi series as of now, are single GPU. They will wage the war against HD5870. Personally I think nVidia's new cards will be way over priced. For the same price you will get the HD 5990 and 5970 which will deliver much more. The 4GB RAM makes sense when using multiple monitors, of course it does..!

I did not read this before posting the above so its a +1 to that.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by sam9s

ATI currently is way ahead then Nvidia both in terms of Performance and Price.

+1. & its gonna improve as the price of the high end cards comes down when the battle between AMD & Nvidia starts.

Originally Posted by piyush2202

I have nothing against ATI here, but I think that ATI released their HD5 series a bit too soon.

one of my college friend & a so called "gamer" also got same theory. ATI was too soon to GDDR5 & DX11. i tell him to be a noobish Nvidia fanboy.

The problem is that you never know the kind of hardware future DX11 games might require. What if future titles start using tesselation very heavily and then you find that if you'd have waited a bit (and spent a bit more) you'd have got a card that could handle all this stuff better.

so what about the rest of the gaming community that uses AMD Radeon cards or older Nvidia cards? you remember Physx? the tech ultimately bought by Nvidia? it released a game CellFactor Revolution (unable to play as IGP sucks). it was only PhysX supporting game at that time. also PhysX cards only speeds games up which require more physics. by how much? say single digit %. & it was a FLOP, for then. now many games uses the Physics. & after so many years, only now few games have allowed PhysX support. its not that if your graphics card not support PhysX, you can't play games supporting it. its just like a addon to make gameplay better. i think tessellation will be same, maybe bit more famous as its Nvidia. still game developers will add it as an option to enhance the quality rather than focusing the entire game on use of tessellation.

Maybe Nvidia didn't release a DX11 card early because they wanted to feel out the market before doing so. Probably because of R&D?

maybe. maybe you rite.

oh yeah one more thing, Apple Ipod was release nearly a year after Sony Walkman MP3 player. Tell me, which one was more successful?? It's not the time of release that makes a difference man, it's what is under the hood whenever it's released.

a music player can never be compared to a graphics card. it can never be. so can't be a car compared to PC. can it be?

Originally Posted by KaranTh85

true, but the upcoming DX11 will be built on same hardware platform.....if i m not wrong or wat else machine they use to build a game...

just look @ Eidos..TR underworld its by far more superior in graphics....as compared 2 its older counterparts...but it still runs in DX9.0 very smoothly...
the game developers has to consider the hardware used by maximum...gamers....& shudnt feel proud by developing a game that runs on very few PCs

PS: after all its a PC & not PS3 where every game looks & runs on same piece of hardware....
whereas in PC they do have 2 do a series of Test on different GCards....for a successfull launch...

+1. thats the thing i trying to point out on my rather err,,,,,,, boring lecture. sorry guys

Originally Posted by asigh

The reason nVidia is releasing the Fermi series so late is because the messed up the fabrication/engineering. Basically they were late to the 40nm process, and also their yields were coming out low. Piyush, you are totally wrong by saying that ATI released the HD5xxx too early. Heck, they timed it perfectly post the HD4xxx series. Market was saturated, users were demanding more power for less power consumption. They are spot on for the 40nm road map. They released a HD4xxx series 40nm part first -- as a pipe cleaner. This helped them test and check their 40nm fabrication processes.

+1. exactly. the die size is HUGE. read this artice article if anyone wants know what asigh pointing by saying "messed up the fabrication/engineering". for others, its same as AMD's old Phenom proccies. they consume lot of power but the output was bad. same was happening with Nvidia. now its fixed, think so, so they ready to release the GPU.

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

you remember Physx? the tech ultimately bought by Nvidia? it released a game CellFactor Revolution (unable to play as IGP sucks). it was only PhysX supporting game at that time. also PhysX cards only speeds games up which require more physics. by how much? say single digit %. & it was a FLOP, for then. now many games uses the Physics. & after so many years, only now few games have allowed PhysX support. its not that if your graphics card not support PhysX, you can't play games supporting it. its just like a addon to make gameplay better. i think tessellation will be same, maybe bit more famous as its Nvidia. still game developers will add it as an option to enhance the quality rather than focusing the entire game on use of tessellation.

+1 to that and actually a good point to bring in .......

[azaad_shri75]

@Sam.Shab- buddy you are really an Tech Reviewer -am highly impressed of your knowledge and information you stocked in your brain and also other buddies included

[Sam]

Originally Posted by sam9s

+1 to that and actually a good point to bring in .......

just came to my mind the idea of PhysX when he mentioned tessellation.

Originally Posted by azaad_shri75

@Sam.Shab- buddy you are really an Tech Reviewer -am highly impressed of your knowledge and information you stocked in your brain and also other buddies included

actually just a tech reader. well something never seem to escape from my brain (anything related to pcs) & others just don't seem to remain stable (studies)

[NoasArcAngel]

all the ATI fanboy's looks like ATI is gonna get a spanking very soon if i am not wrong....

the people who were comparing the HD 58xx series and The new Nvidia GTX4xx series.... here are the facts :

1. Internal benchmarks reveal that the GTX 470 is 10% faster than the ATI HD 5850 and the GTX 480 is 10% faster than the ATI HD 5870 .

2.The pricing was revealed AT :

a. GTX 470 - 350USD = 16,000 INR

b. GTX 480 - 500 USD = 23,000 INR


The official pricing for the ATI HD 5850 is 18,000 INR in india and the ATI HD 5870 is 27,000 INR.

So, clearly even if ATI announces a price cut.... Nvidia is going to lead the way for some time ahead.....

also what i mean to say was that 4GB of VRAM is useless for a single Display however for multiple display's even you wouldn't require 4GB .... max 2GB would also do the job.... and dude the size of the frames even at insane resolutions is not that high .. you get what i mean to say?


but the problems with Fermi arch based cards is still there... you need a minimum of a 600w PSU to run a single card and the TDP value is through the roofs

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-g...aled/8635.html

also that 4GB HD 5990 you were talking about is not a HD 5990 core it is just a OC'ed HD 5970 core... with 4GB of GDDR5...so if nvidia plans to launch the GTX 5xx series anytime AMD is gonna go for the fall at " Terminal Velocity "

[asingh]

^^
Actually it is really stupid of all of us (including me), to argue about a speculated accelerator. Let us wait 9-10 days more, then we can have a debate here. The paper launch is slated for the 26th March. So the techie sites should have the reviews up. 45 days later, the boards will trickle down to our supply chain. Price + performance ---> we can decide who wins.

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by NoasArcAngel

also what i mean to say was that 4GB of VRAM is useless for a single Display however for multiple display's even you wouldn't require 4GB .... max 2GB would also do the job.... and dude the size of the frames even at insane resolutions is not that high .. you get what i mean to say?

Seems the other way to me....... u being a Nvidia fanboy........anyway I literally smiled on your statement "frames even at insane resolutions is not that high" lol u dont know what u are saying neither you have any idea what gaming means at high resolution, I asked you.....have you ever done gaming on a dual monitor, forget it have you ever even done gaming on full HD 1080p........?? you wont know how to bring the GPU hardware to it knees. And for that matter even a meak 512 MB card would do the job for you.
About Nvidia and ATI let me tell you, in my entire span of 10-11 years of computer gaming this is the first time I bought an ATI card else I always had a Nvidia, right from the days of Riva TnT so you can easily scrap that fanboysm thing out of your mind. Though even a fan can easily see where the story is going by the way ATI has come back strongly and have nailed Nvidia this time. Its all logically visible and if your brain has a blockage about the same, no one can do a thing about it.............
Lastly a straight comparison between USD and INR for the price is even more amusing and puts a period AFA I am concerned.............anyway for people like you who want to count the beans as they spill, lets wait for the card launch and see what happens.....

PS :: And BTW the price of HD5850 is around 14-15000 and 5870 around 22-23000, and not 18 and 27 respectively........so I suggest to also get your pricing right.

[NoasArcAngel]

@sam9s i said that the size of each frame even at inzane resolutions was not that big (high)..... and not what you quoted..if you cant comprehend what the above means.... then i am truly disappointed with your knowledge....also i have done gaming on HD+ 2560x1600 resolutions..also i feel gaming on dual monitors is " SAD "..Frankly speaking i would prefer a single screen running higher resolutions than using multiple displays together... it makes the experience much more real...also i am no Nvidia Fanboy... can't you see that i am already using a ATI card??......also dude check with the " OFFICIAL " prices.... not what the dealers give you.

I agree that ATI hit back with a punch with it's 4xxx and 5xxx series cards.... but not anymore....dude seriously talk about bringing a GPU to it's knees is only some games and benchmarks which can do that....

[Zangetsu]

Originally Posted by NoasArcAngel

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but the problems with Fermi arch based cards is still there... you need a minimum of a 600w PSU to run a single card and the TDP value is through the roofs

OMG...600W for single chip.....then we need atleast 1200W PS..this is crap...
r we runing a burner with boosters...

[NoasArcAngel]

The " OFFICIAL " prices are always higher than what the dealer gives you because he purchases the pieces in bulk that way the cost per components is very low. SO if Nvidia quotes the prices a 350USD and 500USD expect to pay about the same amount of money you are paying for the current HD 5850 and HD 5870 in India.

well it is 550w .... i checked again

dude karan you need a 550w PSU for GTX 470 card.... so in SLi GTX 470 will need a 1.1kw PSU almost same as what you would require for a HD 5850 card in crossfire

THE GTX 470 will retail for 299USD..... :devil:

THE team in red

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http://www.tweaktown.com/news/14302/...ents_and_more/

[asingh]

NoasArcAngel:
It is not wise to commit figures so early in the game. It is all speculation regarding the new nVidia accelerators. Pricing/TDP/power usage/performance -- we know jack squat about these parameters. Only when we see real live tests, should we safely commit. It is misleading people, and creating a bad picture about certain brands. Some of the numbers you quoted above to Karan, I do not have faith in them. Why.? Because I have not seen them. And, please do not put some link here, from a hotch-potch site, which has not done any test. Even pre-release data from nVidia makes no sense. Only when I see results from guru3d, Toms, HardOCP and similar sites, can we comment.

Also since you have a difference of opinion with a member, does not mean you start to hit below the belt. One is free to mention what they want in their signature. Even if it is incorrect, or the terminology is not exact technical standard. That is why a signature option is available on forums like this. Its a free space, which no should dispute -- unless it is personally offensive.

[NoasArcAngel]

Dude ... the figures which i have mentioned are taken from the person who " reviewed " the GTX 470... maybe you would like to check that link ...i agree it is cheap on my part to take pot-shots at him ...... but dont you see what he is saying is wrong? the point i am trying to makes is that i said something . at first he didn't get it, then for unnecessary reasons he is arguing on the wrong point...? according to me .... if he wants to argue then he should do it when he has the proper knowledge.... not just using some theories and mixing them up....? i don't think of a debate as a way to put down others... after all we are here only to learn ..

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[/COLOR]and the link is from tweak townn.... not any other hotch potch site

[FilledVoid]

I wouldn't speculate about anything at the moment now considering the product isn't physically on the shelves over here yet. So I'd be patient and wait it out. However I doubt the cards would be sold at the same price as of the conversion rate of USD.

Has anyone actually noticed that a discussion of comparisons of Ati and nVidia GPUs is kind of out of the scope of the posters question and lets keep it nice and calm . Be free to make another thread for discussion between them , if you do want these posts in them Ill be more than happy to move it for you assuming that posts can be moved.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by asigh

^^
Actually it is really stupid of all of us (including me), to argue about a speculated accelerator. Let us wait 9-10 days more, then we can have a debate here. The paper launch is slated for the 26th March. So the techie sites should have the reviews up. 45 days later, the boards will trickle down to our supply chain. Price + performance ---> we can decide who wins.

yah. lets wait for it to launch before passing some harsh or maybe nonsense comments.

Originally Posted by vickybat

Wait for fermi until you decide for your graphics card.
Its goin to be worth the wait.

i think only for Highend part. what about the midrange section or even entry level? have any rumors surfaced about some GT420 or GT440?

Originally Posted by KaranTh85

OMG...600W for single chip.....then we need atleast 1200W PS..this is crap...
r we runing a burner with boosters...

600W or 550W, but of what efficiency? i mean they maybe saying about a below 80% certified PSU. something equivalent of Iball or Frontech selling in US. so until we get real test results of the power consumption, its foolishness to comment anything on the increase in electricity bill one will have after installing a Fermi

Originally Posted by FilledVoid

I wouldn't speculate about anything at the moment now considering the product isn't physically on the shelves over here yet. So I'd be patient and wait it out. However I doubt the cards would be sold at the same price as of the conversion rate of USD.

Has anyone actually noticed that a discussion of comparisons of Ati and nVidia GPUs is kind of out of the scope of the posters question and lets keep it nice and calm . Be free to make another thread for discussion between them , if you do want these posts in them Ill be more than happy to move it for you assuming that posts can be moved.

+1. cost of the card will surely be more in here, even if its a tad more.

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by NoasArcAngel

@sam9s i said that the size of each frame even at inzane resolutions was not that big (high)..... and not what you quoted..if you cant comprehend what the above means.... then i am truly disappointed with your knowledge

Cheezzz man either I am a noob now or seriously the statement is too complex for me to comprehend.......somebody plz explain me what does bloody Size of each frame at insane res means.........damm some people speak with lost conviction

...also i have done gaming on HD+ 2560x1600 resolutions..also i feel gaming on dual monitors is " SAD "..Frankly speaking i would prefer a single screen running higher resolutions than using multiple displays together... it makes the experience much more real...also i am no Nvidia Fanboy... can't you see that i am already using a ATI card??......also dude check with the " OFFICIAL " prices.... not what the dealers give you.

may I know which monitor you have to do gaming @2560x1600???? its not in your sig (dont just through to prove,,, you will be in a pit in no time)......and about the dual monitor experience....then that's you your problem....does not mean gamers do'nt do that or are not satisfied, .........and there are loads of games today that can put the GPU to its knees, you need to push it bro, most of people like you are contended to play with med settings at an avg res on 19 or 21".

and what the heck am I gonna do with official prices.......u are comparing indian prices that to official with USD equivalent, thats absurd...

Originally Posted by asigh

NoasArcAngel:
It is not wise to commit figures so early in the game. It is all speculation regarding the new nVidia accelerators. Pricing/TDP/power usage/performance -- we know jack squat about these parameters. Only when we see real live tests, should we safely commit. It is misleading people, and creating a bad picture about certain brands. Some of the numbers you quoted above to Karan, I do not have faith in them. Why.? Because I have not seen them. And, please do not put some link here, from a hotch-potch site, which has not done any test. Even pre-release data from nVidia makes no sense. Only when I see results from guru3d, Toms, HardOCP and similar sites, can we comment.

++1.....No one could have written in a better way to explain your astray

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Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

what makes you say gaming on 3 monitors or say 2 monitors only is sad? Eyefinity is meant for 3 monitor setup, not 2. with 2 you'll get the monitor bezel coming in between & will make gameplay not only disturbing but also very annoying. play a MMORPG on a 3 monitor setup, you'll know its nothing about getting sad.
maybe only you prefer so, using only 1 monitor, but maybe rest of the gaming community wants different, maybe. else why has the idea of Eyefinity surfaced & is in practical use now? not cause the CEO or the chairman of AMD wants so. cause gamers from different parts of the world requested for it (you not included).

+1 which adds to what ever I said in my above post........

you don't buy cards on official prices. or even other pc stuffs (lets limit discussion to PC based things only, please). if so, why was X4 630 selling for ~5.8k back in 2009 when it was first launched? when the OFFICIAL price was a mere 99USD?

I love the way Sam.Shab chips in points, very valid one.............Sam are you by an chance a Libran...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by sam9s

Cheezzz man either I am a noob now or seriously the statement is too complex for me to comprehend.......somebody plz explain me what does bloody Size of each frame at insane res means.........damm some people speak with lost conviction

me2. scratched my head for 10min, still nothing came up which makes me understand what NoasArcAngel told in the above mentioned post. someone call AMD (Nvidia will work well) & ask what that damn statement means

++1.....No one could have written in a better way to explain your astray

he wise old owl. not fox in sheep's cloth (not pointing my finger at FilledVoid. just trying to make my point more clear).

I love the way Sam.Shab chips in points, very valid one.............Sam are you by an chance a Libran...

my nature from birth . well by chance i actually Sagit......

[ani1751]

so can a person planning to buy a new pc in june 1st week can think about NVIDIA?

Actully i was always a little biased towards ati, but i think as the price of ati HD5850 and Nvidia GT 470 are almost same, and as nvidia already has a market review about DX11 and performance req by mass, they will make it a little better.

I think in two months we will have all the reviews....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ani1751

so can a person planning to buy a new pc in june 1st week can think about NVIDIA?

Actully i was always a little biased towards ati, but i think as the price of ati HD5850 and Nvidia GT 470 are almost same, and as nvidia already has a market review about DX11 and performance req by mass, they will make it a little better.

I think in two months we will have all the reviews....

more of AMD. cause AMD ready to take 2nd place in the fastest card rating provided their sales going "bindaas". look at HD4890. its second fastest to GTX280. when both cards got released, AMD priced the HD4890 (ask asigh, he bought 2 X HD4890 & not 2 X GTX280) in such a way, it gave pure value. Nvidia just asked for premium for owning fastest card in this planet.

i think same will happen in 2010 also. GTX470 trumps HD5850. & asks for 25k premium. possible. GTX480 beats HD5870 by 5% asks 35k premium. now a TRUE Nvidia fanboy will surely sell out 35k for GTX480 but majority won't.

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by ani1751

so can a person planning to buy a new pc in june 1st week can think about NVIDIA?

Actully i was always a little biased towards ati, but i think as the price of ati HD5850 and Nvidia GT 470 are almost same, and as nvidia already has a market review about DX11 and performance req by mass, they will make it a little better.

I think in two months we will have all the reviews....

Only if the price of GTX470 is lesser than HD5850 (which I doubt) coz performance gain would not be something to scream about, and also if other factors like the power consumption, layout, cards noise level etc does not make any difference to the indivisual.

But I bet ATI will reduce the price of their HD5850 and 5870 even further the moment GTX480/470 are launched, simply because its been 6 months these cards were launched and ATI must have got the expected initial share of the cost(atleast 60%) and now would be ready to slash the prices......

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Originally Posted by Sam.Shab

i think same will happen in 2010 also. GTX470 trumps HD5850. & asks for 25k premium. possible. GTX480 beats HD5870 by 5% asks 35k premium. now a TRUE Nvidia fanboy will surely sell out 35k for GTX480 but majority won't.

you have done it again.....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by sam9s

Only if the price of GTX470 is lesser than HD5850 (which I doubt) coz performance gain would not be something to scream about, and also if other factors like the power consumption, layout, cards noise level etc does not make any difference to the indivisual.

But I bet ATI will reduce the price of their HD5850 and 5870 even further the moment GTX480/470 are launched, simply because its been 6 months these cards were launched and ATI must have got the expected initial share of the cost(atleast 60%) and now would be ready to slash the prices......

yup. its time for ATI to cut cost. AMD has developed a very good strategy similar to Intel's tick-tock strategy (launch proccy on mature nods & when their business on full swing, switch to new node i.e. switch manufacturing process. 65nm--->45nm. 45nm--->32nm). AMD's strategy: release new card & get good sale rates. and when Nvidia replies, simply cut cost. BUMP.

you have done it again.....

oh come on mate.

[Piyush]

@samshab-so i'm here
now lets talk about physX
Man!i'm totally confused and dejected now
i was goin to buy a 5850 in summer break
and u wont believe it that card performed xtremely bad in batman:arkham asylum benchmarks(physX enabled)
here r the results
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2446-14.html

even gts 250 performed way better than 5850