CORE i3 or CORE i5????

[rahul_007]

I am just a casual gamer. I want a decent gaming rig under 30k-35k. Should i go for core i3 or core i5???? Integrated graphics would do as i would buy a graphics card in 3-4 months time (please suggest the configuration of the pc).

[Sam]

Athlon II X3 435 2.9GHz @ 4k
ECS A785GM-M @ 4.8k //if unavailable get Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-UD2H//
Corsair 4GB DDR3 1600MHz C9 Titanium @ 5.8k
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB @ 2.4k
Corsair VX450W @ 3.9k
Cooler Master Elite 334 @ 2.2k or Elite 310.

BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k
logitech internet desktop @ 0.6k


total is @ 31.7k. expect to pay 32k depending on your location. rest 3k i suggest u invest in a cooler. & also try get the X4 620 if budget permits.

& theres no rule that i3/i5 makes the best gaming rig. get athlon X3/X4 & OC it to get the performance of i3.

[rahul_007]

how about this:-

Core i3 i530 2.8GHz @ 6k
INTEL H55TC @ 5.6k
4GB DDR3 1333MHz Transcend @ 4.4k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k
Gigabyte 460W @ 2.2k
Seagate 500GB @ 2.4k
Logitech Kbd/mouse combo @ 1k
Altec Lansing 2.1 BXR1121 @ 1.2k
LG 22x DVD @ 1.1k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @

if the above config is looking good then tell me where to cut cost to include a core i5 processor.

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should i go for core i3 540 or core i5 650????

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should i go for core i3 540 or core i5 650????

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul_007

how about this:-

Core i3 i530 2.8GHz @ 6k
INTEL H55TC @ 5.6k
4GB DDR3 1333MHz Transcend @ 4.4k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k
Gigabyte 460W @ 2.2k
Seagate 500GB @ 2.4k
Logitech Kbd/mouse combo @ 1k
Altec Lansing 2.1 BXR1121 @ 1.2k
LG 22x DVD @ 1.1k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @

if the above config is looking good then tell me where to cut cost to include a core i5 processor.

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should i go for core i3 540 or core i5 650????

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should i go for core i3 540 or core i5 650????

if u don't OC. if u not plan to invest in big bad cards. & satisfied with the feature that board wil give, u may go ahead & get it.

still my suggestion, get Athlon2 X3 or X4 & OC it with OEM HSF. get good pair of rams. nice roomy cabinet. a PSU capable of handling high end cards. & u get the license to play it dirty. else u have to play by the rules.

[rahul_007]

but if i swap the INTEL H55TC with gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H and processor with core i5 650, i know it would increase my expenses by 5k but wouldn't it be a better buy????

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does gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H have onboard graphics????

[vickybat]

^^
Buddy don't get the i5 650 but opt for i5 750 instead.
It has more physical cores, a large l3 cache which helps it to perform faster.
The overclocking ability of this processor is astounding and it gives i7 level performance.
But it costs around 10k and a good oc board from msi or gigabyte would cost around 6.5 -7k minimum.

So if budget permits go for the i5 750 else Sam.shab's config. is good with the athlon 2 x4 620 proccy.It offers great value at that pricepoint.

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does gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H have onboard graphics????[/QUOTE]


No, h55 chipsets dont have onboard graphics but the clarkdale cpu's(i5's & i3's) have on-die 45nm gpu so there's no need of onboard graphics.

But you can add a discrete gpu on its pci-e slot and on doing so the on die gpu is diabled from the system.[COLOR="Silver"]

[Zangetsu]

Originally Posted by vickybat

No, h55 chipsets dont have onboard graphics but the clarkdale cpu's(i5's & i3's) have on-die 45nm gpu so there's no need of onboard graphics.

what ??? if i use core-i5 & GA-H55M-S2H then i dont need a GCard....for
display....is it dat IGP is there in i-5

[Cilus]

what ??? if i use core-i5 & GA-H55M-S2H then i dont need a GCard....for
display....is it dat IGP is there in i-5

KaranTh85, it is true. The Core I5 Processors are having On-Die Graphics processing unit, but to use it, u need a H55 chipeset based board. If u plug it in a P55 mobo, the processor will run, but the IGP will not work.

And rahul_007, in 22" monitor, even casual gaming won't run at IGP. Go with the Sam.Shab's config, but add a dedicated graphics card, instead of spending in a Core i5 i530 based system.

[vickybat]

Originally Posted by KaranTh85

what ??? if i use core-i5 & GA-H55M-S2H then i dont need a GCard....for
display....is it dat IGP is there in i-5

Yeah buddy, if you use any clarkdale i5 or i3 processor with an h55 board a discrete gpu is not mandatory for display as its gonna use thr on-die gpu.

On adding a discrete card, the on-die gpu is disabled and the system switches to the pci-e lanes.But it wont happen in a p55 chipset based board and here a discrete card becomes a necessity.

Future intel systems won't have any onboard igp but it will be integrated in the processor die itself until some new technology emerges.

[keith_j_snyder2]

yeah but don't get too happy, it's just basic IGP stuff, u won't be seeing some super cool graphics from that. U gotta have to get a GPU for some action!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by vickybat

Yeah buddy, if you use any clarkdale i5 or i3 processor with an h55 board a discrete gpu is not mandatory for display as its gonna use thr on-die gpu.

On adding a discrete card, the on-die gpu is disabled and the system switches to the pci-e lanes.But it wont happen in a p55 chipset based board and here a discrete card becomes a necessity.

Future intel systems won't have any onboard igp but it will be integrated in the processor die itself until some new technology emerges.

yup, still i3 graphics sucks. i5 graphics (the only 1 proccy with Intel HD graphics onboard) is somewhat playable & is comparable to HD4200 @ stock.

& the technology is known as Intel Sandy Bridges & AMD Llano. both due out in 2011. Llano wil b out in 2010 end for developers & testings. and by 2011, hope for consumers.

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Originally Posted by Cilus

KaranTh85, it is true. The Core I5 Processors are having On-Die Graphics processing unit, but to use it, u need a H55 chipeset based board. If u plug it in a P55 mobo, the processor will run, but the IGP will not work.

And rahul_007, in 22" monitor, even casual gaming won't run at IGP. Go with the Sam.Shab's config, but add a dedicated graphics card, instead of spending in a Core i5 i530 based system.

Cilus bro, for casual gaming on IGP i.e. HD4200 OC wil a 20" b an overkill?

[rahul_007]

Originally Posted by Cilus

KaranTh85, it is true. The Core I5 Processors are having On-Die Graphics processing unit, but to use it, u need a H55 chipeset based board. If u plug it in a P55 mobo, the processor will run, but the IGP will not work.

And rahul_007, in 22" monitor, even casual gaming won't run at IGP. Go with the Sam.Shab's config, but add a dedicated graphics card, instead of spending in a Core i5 i530 based system.

is it that bad???? i mean i am an 11nth class student financing my own computer.... i would be able to buy a good gpu in 4 months time.... are the integrated graphics so bad????

[Sam]

^^ let me give u an example, crysis, medium details, 1024X768 wil b run without any lags on HD4200. up the resolution or increase details & IGP wil start showcase its limitation. core i3's graphics, u can't even cross 1024X768 @ low. turn graphics a bit too high & u'll get nothing but black screen.


if u wanna put together a gaming rig at low cost, drop core i3 & get athlon X3 or X4. & get monitor depending on the card.

[Zangetsu]

Originally Posted by rahul_007

is it that bad???? i mean i am an 11nth class student financing my own computer.... i would be able to buy a good gpu in 4 months time.... are the integrated graphics so bad????

ya IGP is not worth for a good gaming..even the entry level cards can produce
more eye-candy than IGP (its a general consensus )

[Sam]

Originally Posted by KaranTh85

ya IGP is not worth for a good gaming..even the entry level cards can produce
more eye-candy than IGP (its a general consensus )

true, 9500gt wil beat any IGP. even OC'd 1s. same goes for HD4650.

[rahul_007]

core i5 650-8.3k
gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H-6.2k
4GB DDR3 1333MHz Transcend @ 4.4k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k
Gigabyte 460W @ 2.2k
Seagate 500GB @ 2.4k
Logitech Kbd/mouse combo @ 1k
Altec Lansing 2.1 BXR1121 @ 1.2k
LG 22x DVD @ 1.1k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k

i would be able to add a graphics card costing around 7k-8k to the above rig in about 3-4 months.... cant i go with this???? i dont want to go with amd as intel would future proof me and i can add the cost of a cooler which i would surely need in amd to the cost of gpu....

[Sam]

^^ well mate AMD is equally future-proof. don't think AMD wil vanish after 2-3yrs. also i no AMD fanboy , just recommending best config in ur budget. u may go with the Intel config, but at same cost AMD wil give u far better products.

i suggest u better get a AMD based rig & save money for graphics card rather than try push in cheapest Intel based products.

& cooler costing same as GPU? who told? where u find it? 32nm intel runs hot than AMD 45nm Athlon line due to smaller size of the core as compared to an added companion in form of 45nm Intel HD Graphics. & to cool AMD u wil ever need is CM Hyper 212 around 2k. done. ur choice now

[rahul_007]

ok man... i am convinced with amd .... but then could you give me a config with Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. and Sapphire HD5670 512MB GDDR5.... preferably under 35k-40k....

[comp@ddict]

Originally Posted by rahul_007

core i5 650-8.3k
gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H-6.2k
4GB DDR3 1333MHz Transcend @ 4.4k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k
Gigabyte 460W @ 2.2k
Seagate 500GB @ 2.4k
Logitech Kbd/mouse combo @ 1k
Altec Lansing 2.1 BXR1121 @ 1.2k
LG 22x DVD @ 1.1k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k

i would be able to add a graphics card costing around 7k-8k to the above rig in about 3-4 months.... cant i go with this???? i dont want to go with amd as intel would future proof me and i can add the cost of a cooler which i would surely need in amd to the cost of gpu....

GOsh u simply dont listen, why on facking earth do u want a Core i5 i650 which costs soo much?? IMO if u wanna spend that much get this instead:-

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.9k
ECS 785GM-M @ 4.8k
Corsair VX450W @ 4k

This combo includes a REAL 4 core processor plus a very good PSU, and it actually costs lesser.

[vickybat]

Originally Posted by rahul_007

ok man... i am convinced with amd .... but then could you give me a config with Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. and Sapphire HD5670 512MB GDDR5.... preferably under 35k-40k....

Buddy go for i5 750 as its faster than all phenom 2 x4's and consumes a lot less power.
Anyone considering to get the 955 or 965 be should consider core i5 750 as its more vfm in terms of performance and efficiency.

Topend phenom 2's offer less performance per watt than all i7 and i5 750 quadcores.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul_007

ok man... i am convinced with amd .... but then could you give me a config with Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. and Sapphire HD5670 512MB GDDR5.... preferably under 35k-40k....

comp@ddict already given a very good & balanced config. just skipping the graphics card as its purely depends on type of user.

Originally Posted by comp@ddict

GOsh u simply dont listen, why on facking earth do u want a Core i5 i650 which costs soo much?? IMO if u wanna spend that much get this instead:-

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.9k
ECS 785GM-M @ 4.8k
Corsair VX450W @ 4k

This combo includes a REAL 4 core processor plus a very good PSU, and it actually costs lesser.

yup. costs less & is damn good value in these hard economic times. hooray to AMD.

Originally Posted by vickybat

Buddy go for i5 750 as its faster than all phenom 2 x4's and consumes a lot less power.
Anyone considering to get the 955 or 965 be should consider core i5 750 as its more vfm in terms of performance and efficiency.

Topend phenom 2's offer less performance per watt than all i7 and i5 750 quadcores.

but i5 750 costs lot more & its motherboards costs subsequently more than any AMD based mobo. add to it the cost of graphics card & the final damage is quite a bit high.

its not about efficiency lot. if u OC i5, u'll need OEM HSF + more Vcore voltage. same as AMD. i5 can run at much lower voltage so can any AMD (new) proccy. so whats the final difference? save cost off the i5+P55 & they'll end more worst in performance than any similarly priced AMD system. add to it AMD got IGP.

[vickybat]

but i5 750 costs lot more & its motherboards costs subsequently more than any AMD based mobo. add to it the cost of graphics card & the final damage is quite a bit high.

its not about efficiency lot. if u OC i5, u'll need OEM HSF + more Vcore voltage. same as AMD. i5 can run at much lower voltage so can any AMD (new) proccy. so whats the final difference? save cost off the i5+P55 & they'll end more worst in performance than any similarly priced AMD system. add to it AMD got IGP.[/QUOTE]

Again buddy you're picking the wrong train.AMD is good but at a certain pricepoint. Once you cross that its INTEL all the way.

The athlon 2 x4's offers great vfm at their prices but the phenom 2's are no match to the mighty i5 at a similar pricepoint.

An overclocked i5 @ 4ghz will decimate a 965 BE similarly clocked and as i said earlier they offer more performance per watt than any amd out there.Its written in the reviews so see it for yourself.

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@ Sam.Shab

Buddy here are the links core i5 vs phenom 2 965

1.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...e-i5,2410.html
2.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...k,2438-12.html
3.http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/819/1
4.http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...re-i7-870.html
It even bests the i7 920 in some benchmarks.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by vickybat

but i5 750 costs lot more & its motherboards costs subsequently more than any AMD based mobo. add to it the cost of graphics card & the final damage is quite a bit high.

its not about efficiency lot. if u OC i5, u'll need OEM HSF + more Vcore voltage. same as AMD. i5 can run at much lower voltage so can any AMD (new) proccy. so whats the final difference? save cost off the i5+P55 & they'll end more worst in performance than any similarly priced AMD system. add to it AMD got IGP.

Again buddy you're picking the wrong train.AMD is good but at a certain pricepoint. Once you cross that its INTEL all the way.

The athlon 2 x4's offers great vfm at their prices but the phenom 2's are no match to the mighty i5 at a similar pricepoint.

An overclocked i5 @ 4ghz will decimate a 965 BE similarly clocked and as i said earlier they offer more performance per watt than any amd out there.Its written in the reviews so see it for yourself.

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@ Sam.Shab

Buddy here are the links core i5 vs phenom 2 965

1.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...e-i5,2410.html
2.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...k,2438-12.html
3.http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/819/1
4.http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...re-i7-870.html
It even bests the i7 920 in some benchmarks.[/QUOTE]

oops. i gave it for maximum of X4 955. i may have posted it on some other threads. 965 is prices so close to i5's that it can be neglected & 1 should get i5 directly but its not same in case of 955. its cost lot lower than i5. & if someone tight on budget can work with IGP also.

i know the brute strength of i5's but at a price point of below 8k, 1 should consider X4 955 rather than try get i5 by sacrificing other parts. have read almost all reviews on Tom's Hardware & AnandTech about i5 & its OC potential.

[vickybat]

yeah but amd athlon 2 x4's are more vfm at their pricepoint.

Anyone looking for a phenom 2 will always opt for a discrete card and with the i5 a cheap card will do the job and it always will be much better than igp.

Upto 40k or here and there amd athlon 2 x4's are the best but anything approaching the 55k mark or higher enters i5 or further i7 territory.

So anything else isn't recommended.

For the op in this thread amd athlon 2 based rig is better instead of an i3 one.

[Sam]

true, but if someone going buy new GFX card in months time but going buy new PC at or below 50k, Phenom2 is still a hot seller as one can run PC on IGP for few months. above 50k, its i5/i7 all the way.

& yes, for OP Athlon2 X4 fits better than i3. something he won't complain about later.

[rahul_007]

so how about this:-

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.9k
ECS A785GM-M @ 4.8k
Transcend 2*2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 4.4k
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB @ 2.4k
Cooler Master 600w smps + cabinet @ 5k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k
Altec Lansing BXR1121 2.1 @ 1.1k
Logitech keyboard + mouse @ 0.6k

total:-34.2k

{i called on DELHI TRADE ZONE and asked the prices of 600wt smps.... he told me about this combo(Cooler Master 600w smps + CM cabinet @ 5k) but couldn't tell me the model nos....}

i also wanna know if ECS A785GM-M has IGP or not....

i will buy Sapphire HD5670 512MB GDDR5 @ 5.6k in 3 months time....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul_007

so how about this:-

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.9k
ECS A785GM-M @ 4.8k
Transcend 2*2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 4.4k
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB @ 2.4k
Cooler Master 600w smps + cabinet @ 5k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k
Altec Lansing BXR1121 2.1 @ 1.1k
Logitech keyboard + mouse @ 0.6k

total:-34.2k

{i called on DELHI TRADE ZONE and asked the prices of 600wt smps.... he told me about this combo(Cooler Master 600w smps + CM cabinet @ 5k) but couldn't tell me the model nos....}

i also wanna know if ECS A785GM-M has IGP or not....

i will buy Sapphire HD5670 512MB GDDR5 @ 5.6k in 3 months time....

1st of all if u going get a graphics card don't buy the CM Xtreme Power. Instead get the Gigabyte 460W. under load Xtreme power wil surely blew up. OR you may even give a try for the Zebronics Pro 550W. its good unit.

DDR3 & Phenom2 955 may cost you lot more then you thinking of. if so & u unable to up your budget get X4 630 + some OEM Cpu cooler like CM Hyper TX3 or Hyper 212 & OC it. OC at stock voltage is safe.

if u unable find ECS mobo get MSI 785GM-E51. both have onboard graphics in the form of HD4200. good for old games. ok for present games. bad for new games.

check the hard drive model carefully, dealers usually try push in the old 7200.11 seagate which are buggy. else get samsung F2 Eco or WD green.

[rahul_007]

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 9.5k
MSI 785GM-E65 @ 4k
Transcend 2*2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 4.8k
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB @ 2.4k
Zebronics Pro 550W @ 2.8k
cm elite 310 @ 1.2k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k
Altec Lansing BXR1121 2.1 @ 1.1k
Logitech keyboard + mouse @ 0.6k

how about this????
please comment as fast as you can cauz my exams are starting from 22/2/10 and i will not be able to come online.... i am also planning to buy my computer on 27/2/10.... so please reply early and post your best comments....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rahul_007

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 9.5k
MSI 785GM-E65 @ 4k
Transcend 2*2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 4.8k
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB @ 2.4k
Zebronics Pro 550W @ 2.8k
cm elite 310 @ 1.2k
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k
Altec Lansing BXR1121 2.1 @ 1.1k
Logitech keyboard + mouse @ 0.6k

how about this????
please comment as fast as you can cauz my exams are starting from 22/2/10 and i will not be able to come online.... i am also planning to buy my computer on 27/2/10.... so please reply early and post your best comments....

at that price 955 is not worth it. i again telling, get X4 630, a good motherboard like MSI E65 which wil cost 5.6k not 4k surely. rest everything looks good.

[comp@ddict]

Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz B.E. @ 7.9k
ECS A785GM-M @ 4.8k
Transcend 2*2GB DDR3 1333MHz C9 @ 4.4k
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB @ 2.4k
Cooler Master 600w smps + cabinet @ 5k - - XXXX
BenQ 22" G2220 FULL HD LCD Monitor @ 8k
Altec Lansing BXR1121 2.1 @ 1.1k
Logitech keyboard + mouse @ 0.6k

Corsair VX450W @ 4k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k
Total - 5.5k

Wait, there is one more option. U can buy a Phenom II X2 555 B.E., and this processor has a very high chance (I can safely say 99.99%) of unlocking. After unlocking, it becomes a Phenom II X4 955 B.E. with the name as X4 B50...

Here's the best part, X2 555 B.E. costs 5.15k only.