New Gaming Rig - Lots of Help Needed

[SenthilAnandh]

Hi Guys.

After your suggestion for my laptop (I am really satisfied about that ), I am now requesting for a System. I am gonna buy this in december only, but I need to clarify a lot of things . Expecting the same kind of response as I had before .

I currently have an very old system
P4 1.8GHZ
Intel 845GL mobo
256mb RAM
80 GB HDD
Samsung DVD RW
Samsung CD RW
17" CRT Samsung monitor.
2.1 mercury speaker.

After 5 years, I am planning to buy a new rig. My budget is 50k +/- 5k. Please post your suggestions.

Here is some of my requirements.
1) I need a entire system with monitors, keyboard etc but without speakers and UPS(Will use from my old computer).
2) I need a 22" Wide screen monitor and min 500 GB of HD space and 4GB of ram.
3) The system should be upgradeable with minimum effort (after 2years) and should provide
good performance for at least 2 + 2(upgraded) years.
4) It should provide good gaming performance (EDIT: All High NO AA) in a 22" monitor.
5) I don't need costly cabinets and coolers as I wont do any much over clocking.
6) I am ready to sacrifice some performance for money.
7) I will be using a lot of torrent so the system will be ON for days. Please advice
according to it.
8) I need to use my old hard disk and DVD drive(If possible CD drive too).
9) I am going to quad as I am not a patient fellow and do multi tasking (DVD writing and gaming at same time)
10) Tv tuner card if possible

My Preference is
AMD Phenom X4 9950 - 9k
AMD 790GX - 5K
Transcend Ram 4GB - 4K
WD 640GB - 3.5k
HD4870 - 16.5k
cabinet -1k
Viewsonic 22" - 13k
keyboard + mouse - 1k
Cooler Master 330 elite - 1.5k
tv tuner card - 3k

Reasons for choosing AMD Rig
1) AM2+ socket is future proof unlike LGA775 of intel.
2) Value for money on mobo.
3) HD4870 works better with AMD mobo and processor (Is it so?)
4) Can save some money over intel rig.
5) Amd quad can be easily over clocked.

Questions
1) Does the integrated HD3300 and HD4870 can be put in hybrid Crossfire. If yes how the performance will be. If no which IGP and HD4870 can be put in hybrid crossfire.
2) Can my HD4870 be switched off when not in use.(I have heard that discrete card can be switched off and the IGP can be use during normal time. Hybrid Power) If yes How?
3) How C2D and phenom match in gaming. My gaming resolution will be 1680x1050. ( As far as i know there only some 5 to 10 fps difference as gaming depends on GPU and not CPU).
4) Do I have to go for intel rig instead of this? If yes I need justification and a good
configuration.
5) Do I have to go for HD4850 and improve other things.
6) And of course any other valuable suggestions please.

Many Thanks in Advance Guys.

EDIT:

Guys I just want to make one thing clear, Its not about Intel build with HD4850 or Amd build with HD4870. Its about HOW MUCH MAXIMUM CAN I GET WITHIN 55K . Hope you all understand my point. Thanks in advance guys.

[hellgate]

Originally Posted by SenthilAnandh

3) HD4870 works better with AMD mobo and processor (Is it so?)

u've gotta be kidding man.it works a hell lot better on Intel.used my HD 4870 with a 9850BE and perf just sux'd bigtime.

4) Can save some money over intel rig.

its true but its better to go the Intel way.

5) Amd quad can be easily over clocked.

no way man.amd suxs at oc'ing i cudnt take my 9850 BE to more than 3.1GHz stable from the stock speed.wheres my E8400 goes to 4GHz nad above.

Originally Posted by SenthilAnandh

1) Does the integrated HD3300 and HD4870 can be put in hybrid Crossfire. If yes how the performance will be. If no which IGP and HD4870 can be put in hybrid crossfire.

No.

2) Can my HD4870 be switched off when not in use.(I have heard that discrete card can be switched off and the IGP can be use during normal time. Hybrid Power) If yes How?

afaik u cant do that.

3) How C2D and phenom match in gaming. My gaming resolution will be 1680x1050. ( As far as i know there only some 5 to 10 fps difference as gaming depends on GPU and not CPU).

The C2D E8400/E8500 beats the sh!t out of Phenoms.

4) Do I have to go for intel rig instead of this? If yes I need justification and a good configuration.

if gaming is wat u wanna do then go the Intel way.I've learnt this the hard way.

5) Do I have to go for HD4850 and improve other things.

that depends n whether u wanna play with all eye candies enabled @ 1650x1080

6) And of course any other valuable suggestions please.

i think u sud wait till COre i7 is launced.prices of current procies sud come down then.

[SenthilAnandh]

Thanks hellgate. I am just choosing the components now. I will buy it only in december after price fall.

[desiibond]

If you want to game at FullHD resolution, don't look at anything other than Core2Quad+ATI setup.

and if you can afford in December, Nehalem (core i7)

[cyberjunkie]

Originally Posted by SenthilAnandh

3) The system should be upgradeable with minimum effort (after 2years) and should provide
good performance for at least 2 + 2(upgraded) years.

You'll hit a roadblock. The ways things develop these days - your system will most likely be obsolete in two to three years. Two years is a long time. You'll be able to play all the games for a year at high quality settings. You'll soon find yourself at medium quality or lower resolutions and by the end of two years or a little more, you'll find that it makes more sense to upgrade the entire system instead of just a graphic card or a processor.

Remember that everything else would have moved on by then - memory, hard drives would have become faster and no matter which component you upgrade, some others will become a bottleneck.

[SenthilAnandh]

Originally Posted by cyberjunkie

You'll hit a roadblock. The ways things develop these days - your system will most likely be obsolete in two to three years. Two years is a long time. You'll be able to play all the games for a year at high quality settings. You'll soon find yourself at medium quality or lower resolutions and by the end of two years or a little more, you'll find that it makes more sense to upgrade the entire system instead of just a graphic card or a processor.

Remember that everything else would have moved on by then - memory, hard drives would have become faster and no matter which component you upgrade, some others will become a bottleneck.

Exactly buddy, thats why I want to find the perfect balance between performance and upgradability. It should give good performance and at the same it should be upgradable down the line with minimal effort. We can never be future proof. I am just trying to be future compatible.

Originally Posted by desiibond

If you want to game at FullHD resolution, don't look at anything other than Core2Quad+ATI setup.

and if you can afford in December, Nehalem (core i7)

Thanks desiibond. Please specify a quad system with my budget (55k). Do you think I can afford nehalem with my budget

[desiibond]

let's just wait till December and then discuss the config.

[ultimategpu]

Originally Posted by SenthilAnandh

Hi Guys.

After your suggestion for my laptop (I am really satisfied about that ), I am now requesting for a System. I am gonna buy this in december only, but I need to clarify a lot of things . Expecting the same kind of response as I had before .

I currently have an very old system
P4 1.8GHZ
Intel 845GL mobo
256mb RAM
80 GB HDD
Samsung DVD RW
Samsung CD RW
17" CRT Samsung monitor.
2.1 mercury speaker.

After 5 years, I am planning to buy a new rig. My budget is 50k +/- 5k. Please post your suggestions.

Here is some of my requirements.
1) I need a entire system with monitors, keyboard etc but without speakers and UPS(Will use from my old computer).
2) I need a 22" Wide screen monitor and min 500 GB of HD space and 4GB of ram.
3) The system should be upgradeable with minimum effort (after 2years) and should provide
good performance for at least 2 + 2(upgraded) years.
4) It should provide good gaming performance (EDIT: All High NO AA) in a 22" monitor.
5) I don't need costly cabinets and coolers as I wont do any much over clocking.
6) I am ready to sacrifice some performance for money.
7) I will be using a lot of torrent so the system will be ON for days. Please advice
according to it.
8) I need to use my old hard disk and DVD drive(If possible CD drive too).
9) I am going to quad as I am not a patient fellow and do multi tasking (DVD writing and gaming at same time)
10) Tv tuner card if possible

My Preference is
AMD Phenom X4 9950 - 9k
AMD 790GX - 5K
Transcend Ram 4GB - 4K
WD 640GB - 3.5k
HD4870 - 16.5k
cabinet -1k
Viewsonic 22" - 13k
keyboard + mouse - 1k
Cooler Master 330 elite - 1.5k
tv tuner card - 3k

Reasons for choosing AMD Rig
1) AM2+ socket is future proof unlike LGA775 of intel.
2) Value for money on mobo.
3) HD4870 works better with AMD mobo and processor (Is it so?)
4) Can save some money over intel rig.
5) Amd quad can be easily over clocked.

Questions
1) Does the integrated HD3300 and HD4870 can be put in hybrid Crossfire. If yes how the performance will be. If no which IGP and HD4870 can be put in hybrid crossfire.
2) Can my HD4870 be switched off when not in use.(I have heard that discrete card can be switched off and the IGP can be use during normal time. Hybrid Power) If yes How?
3) How C2D and phenom match in gaming. My gaming resolution will be 1680x1050. ( As far as i know there only some 5 to 10 fps difference as gaming depends on GPU and not CPU).
4) Do I have to go for intel rig instead of this? If yes I need justification and a good
configuration.
5) Do I have to go for HD4850 and improve other things.
6) And of course any other valuable suggestions please.

Many Thanks in Advance Guys.

EDIT:

Guys I just want to make one thing clear, Its not about Intel build with HD4850 or Amd build with HD4870. Its about HOW MUCH MAXIMUM CAN I GET WITHIN 55K . Hope you all understand my point. Thanks in advance guys.

Just u have decided to buy a Gaming Rig means rapid upgradable is must --------> As u have choosen the AMD 9950 is not best for the gaming ,, cause the games r much usable on dual cores like E8400/8500 (45nm),, as for hard ever multitasking AMD9950 is great it beats C2QUAD q6600 ,,,

But now intel is not giving the future proof as with in 2 years Intel upgrade was very vast

like Pentium 4 (to) Dual cores (to) core2duo (to) cre2quad (to) core2extreme (to) corei7 ???

this is awefull ,, were for little 20 FPS in games more than AMD 9950 if u buy E8500
,, then now the games are created for multicore process ,, then u have to buy an another quad core ,, its up to you

In 2009/april ,, AMD deneb is launching its 45nm serious system bus of 2000 mhz ,, 6Mb L2 cache 6 MB L3 cache and its basic

and AMD Deneb is AM2 socket

so u can use ur same mobo for that too // its all ur choice what u r using !!!


And u asked that ATi 4870 works better with the AMD ???

some survey says that using Hybrid cross fire mobo u can have better FPS of putting ATI cards ,,

Hd4870 is great card ,, but its little hot,,, make sure u buy PALIT HD4870 sonic which comes with the two fans

ATI cards works good with the "INTEL" as WELL "AMD" ,,,

FOR monitor go for DELL ,, i use viewsonic 19"inch DELL is best ........

[SenthilAnandh]

thanks ultimate GPU, Can you provide some configuration please, with quad core.

[comp@ddict]

I would suggest save up for another 3 months to 60-65k, and then buy a new rig, cuz with 65k, u'll get the NEHALEM based PC, alongwith a HD4870X2 or a GTX280 easily, I mean 65k or if u save for 4 months, 70k.


Cuz this a bet u shud take in anyway, high budget? Wait is best, and get Nehalem.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by ultimategpu

Just u have decided to buy a Gaming Rig means rapid upgradable is must --------> As u have choosen the AMD 9950 is not best for the gaming ,, cause the games r much usable on dual cores like E8400/8500 (45nm),, as for hard ever multitasking AMD9950 is great it beats C2QUAD q6600 ,,,

Q6600 is very old processor and is replaced by Q9300. And the newer Q9300 and Q9400 are way ahead of 9950. Believe it or not, Intel's slowest core i7 beats AMD's fastest Phenom.

But now intel is not giving the future proof as with in 2 years Intel upgrade was very vast

like Pentium 4 (to) Dual cores (to) core2duo (to) cre2quad (to) core2extreme (to) corei7 ???

this is awefull ,, were for little 20 FPS in games more than AMD 9950 if u buy E8500
,, then now the games are created for multicore process ,, then u have to buy an another quad core ,, its up to you

If you look at the architectural change that happened, you won't say it's aweful. AMD had a similar change and they moved from socket 939 to socket AM2.

In 2009/april ,, AMD deneb is launching its 45nm serious system bus of 2000 mhz ,, 6Mb L2 cache 6 MB L3 cache and its basic

And two months after that Intel is releasing 32nm processor with a new architecture. See, even now AMD matches Intel in bus speeds etc but it's the architecture that is creating the difference. What would be reason for AMD's flagship model not being able to stand against slowest core i7. Not just slow, it is 1.5x to 2x slower than the Nehalem.

and AMD Deneb is AM2 socket

so u can use ur same mobo for that too // its all ur choice what u r using !!!

hmm. After looking at core 2 microarchitecture, I seriously doubt if even Deneb would match Penryn, forget about Nehalem.

The safest bet still is Intel. You say that in future we can move to Deneb but I say even then you won't find much advantage over current Intel architecture.

The only hope for AMD is Bulldozer core (part of Fusion) and that will be in 2010.

The equation is simple now.

have money to spend, wait for a week and get Nehalem
Don't want to spend a lot, get Q9400 or E8400.

[SenthilAnandh]

Originally Posted by comp@ddict

I would suggest save up for another 3 months to 60-65k, and then buy a new rig, cuz with 65k, u'll get the NEHALEM based PC, alongwith a HD4870X2 or a GTX280 easily, I mean 65k or if u save for 4 months, 70k.


Cuz this a bet u shud take in anyway, high budget? Wait is best, and get Nehalem.

Thanks. But how long I wait, I cannot increase my budget beyond 55k. If am getting nahalem means wont I became a beta tester? (dual core and quad exp )

[ultimategpu]

Originally Posted by SenthilAnandh

Thanks. But how long I wait, I cannot increase my budget beyond 55k. If am getting nahalem means wont I became a beta tester? (dual core and quad exp )

waiting means ,, u can wait for ur lifetime to get intel or AMD ---> seriously it matters that what u r really using for

1] see if u r using for one and only gaming --->get E8500 / 8400 can hold up u for some more years only for gaming only ,,
2] for hard multitasking -->if u r getting AMD phenom 9950 for 9K means its really worth ur money go for it ,,, cause intel core i7 is starting price is 15k in market + vat

i heared it from distributor today ,, 15k is distributor price then look @ the dealer price it goes around 18k for basic corei7

---> so u have u to save money up to 80k ,,, this is really ****

if u really want INTEL proc on core 2 quad --->q9550 (45nm) this is great one ,, but this proc is 15K -->then one more thing AMD mobo is very cheap with option on two 2pcie*16 which u can make crossfire of two ATI

intel mobo on every brand option for two 2pcie*16 ,, will cost u around 11k and above
1)if u go for INTEL --->for mobo+proc --->20k to 25k [core 2 quad q9300]

2)AMD means --->18k to 20k [AMD phenom 9950]


i ll post the AMD's best configuration

then one more thing getting

getting HD4870 sonic ,,u can go for two HD 4850 on cross fire

were u can have triple the FPS of HD4870

------------------------------------------------------>>>

HERE I CAN POST A CONFIGURATION WHICH IS BEST I FOUND !!!

ITS AMD CONFIGURATION @ THE BUDGET OF 50K TO 55K

AMD PHENOM 9950 -> 9K [AT UR CHOICE]

BIOSTAR TA790GX -->5.5K ( which comes with crossfire of 2 pcie x 16 )

2 X HD4850(paliT) --> 9.7K for each IT MEANS 19K

500 GB SEAGATE -->2.8K

LG /SAMSUNG DVD WRITER --->1K

2 X 2GB OF RAM 800MHZ -->3.6 K

VIEWSONIC 22" TFT VX2260wm ---> 12K

LOGITECH MOUSE/KEYBOARD --->Rs700/-

CORSAIR HX620 PSU --->7K / COOLER MASTER EXTREME POWER 600 WATTS --->3.5K(BUT DONT ADD ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS )

ZEBRONICS REAPER -->2K (which comes with 2 LED fans , one top fan ,, temperature LCD , fan control)

UPS MICROTEK 2 BATTERY DOUBLE POWER 800WATTS -- > 2.3K

CREATIVE AUDIGY 5.1/7.1 SOUND BLASTER --> 1.6K

CREATIVE INSPIRE M5300 5.1 --> 3.5K


TOTAL 59K ----> SORRY FOR ADDING 4K EXTRA ... BUT THIS CONFIGURATION IS A "KING" IF U ADD 4K EXTRA ,,,, THEN U LL BE HARDCORE GAMER FOR SURE

[desiibond]

There is a difference between waiting for new architecture and waiting for better config.

@Senthil, Do you really think that you can use the same mobo and RAM when you upgrade after 2yrs. NO. You have to change mobo too.

So, cut that futureproof crap.

Monitor: Dell 228WFP: 15k-17k

Processor: Intel Core2quad Q9300 13k

This processor runs at 2.5GHz and can be overclocked to 3.5Ghz on stock cooling.

Take a look at this:

mp3 enoding in itunes 7.4

Phenom 9600: 182 seconds
Q9300: 130seconds
Q9300 @3.5GHz: 91seconds. That is insane.

DivX 6.8fps:

Phenom 9600: 51.4fps
Q9300: 69.1 fps
Q9300 @3.5GHz: 95.7fps

Cinebench R10:

Phenom 9600: 7199
Q9300: 9247
Q9300 @3.5GHz: 13384

Photoshop CS3 test:

Phenom 9600: 96secs
Q9300: 67secs
Q9300 @3.5GHz: 48secs

Gaming: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0_9.html#sect0



If you pit AMD Phenom 9550 against Q9300, it wouldn't be able to match the overclocking power and performance of Q9300.

Motherboard: ASUS P5Q Pro : 8.5k
RAM : 2xKingston 2Gb DDR2 800: 3k
GPU: Palit HD4850 : 9.5k
HDD: Seagate sata2 500GB with 32MB buffer: 3.5k

This is how a rig should be to work for 2yrs or more. This will certainly overshoot your budget.

For strict 55k:

Q9300: 13k
MSI P45 Neo-F: 5k or MSI P45 Neo2 FR Crossfire X board: 8k
RAM : 2xKingston 2Gb DDR2 800: 3k
GPU: Palit HD4850 : 9.5k
HDD: Seagate sata2 500GB with 32MB buffer: 3.5k
Cooler master Elite330 cabinet: 1.6k
Cooler master Extreme Power 500W : 2.5k
Logitech k/b and mouse: 1k
Dell 228WFP: 15k
Tech-Com internal tv tuner card: 700/-

Did I miss anything here???
And @ultimategpu, your config price is around 70k. get the math right dude.

Also get these if you can:

OCZ freeze thermal paste: Rs.400
http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...ivity_compound

Thermalright Ultra-120 CPU Cooler: 2k

http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...50aHVzaWFzdA==

PS: Biostar mobo TA790GX sucks when it comes to getting the most out of processor.

And one more thing, You can't overclock Phenom 9950 above 3GHz without changing voltage and extra cooling.

And look at this: http://www.techenclave.com/cpu-mobo-...ew-117929.html

At the Games Convention in Leipzig, Germany, members of AwardFabrik.de managed to break 4GHz using liquid nitrogen cooling on an AMD Phenom 9950 processor. CPU-Z did not correctly validate the clockspeed however, and the AwardFabrik team are still unsure why this was the case.

Nevertheless, at a clock speed of 3952MHz, the team broke a SuperPi 1M record for AMD CPUs - 19.954 seconds

And then look at this: http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...32&articID=824

superpi on Q9300: 13.xx seconds at 3.8GHz speed.

[ultimategpu]

@ desiibond

DUDE he said that he will not overclock ,,although if he is OC ing means ,, AMD 9950 can be pushed to 3.4ghz

That s not maths problem dude
i added speakers+soundcard+cabinet extra cost

so only 63k ,,, he dint mentioned speakers and soundcard ,,, though the mobo which i mentioned supports 7.1 audio channel


dude one more thing AMD phenom 9600 is TLB error , dont compare the 9500 and 9600 its all error

AMD Phenom 9950 ,, is very good processor it beats intel core2quad q9550 in 3d rendering and also audio video conversion ,,

see INTEL is now the king of processor now ,, cause varieties os architecture rapid technology boost & dont think that AMD is not doing much as older Athlon made a **** on pentium 4 ,, PENTIUM 4 is Intel's great processor which has been held over long time

think about it ,, as the failure over AMD phenom 9500 & 9600 ,AMD moves are very slow on processor manufacturing .. as they not need an another error processor

But still now for graphics use there is only one name that is AMD ...

As ATi now made a hit ----> 4850/4870

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by ultimategpu

@ desiibond
AMD Phenom 9950 ,, is very good processor it beats intel core2quad q9550 in 3d rendering and also audio video conversion ,,

ROFLMAO

Originally Posted by ultimategpu

But still now for graphics use there is only one name that is AMD ...

ROFLMAO X2

FYI, Q9550 is direct competitor to Core i7 920 and is 2x times faster than 9550 BE right-out-of-the-box

This is year 2008 dude, not 2002.

Originally Posted by ultimategpu

@ desiibond

DUDE he said that he will not overclock ,,although if he is OC ing means ,, AMD 9950 can be pushed to 3.4ghz

Yes. for that you need water cooling and that costs a bomb.

That s not maths problem dude
i added speakers+soundcard+cabinet extra cost

so only 63k ,,, he dint mentioned speakers and soundcard ,,, though the mobo which i mentioned supports 7.1 audio channel

Still, 63k for AMD rig is pure bullshit. Max amount for AMD rig right now is 30k.

AMD Phenom 9950 ,, is very good processor it beats intel core2quad q9550 in 3d rendering and also audio video conversion ,,

see INTEL is now the king of processor now ,, cause varieties os architecture rapid technology boost & dont think that AMD is not doing much as older Athlon made a **** on pentium 4 ,, PENTIUM 4 is Intel's great processor which has been held over long time

I don't know what made you say this. But Netburst architecture on which P4 was built was worst architecture that Intel ever made. And that was the time when AMD capitalized on the limitations of Netburst by releasing K8 architecure based AMD Athlon 64 and X2.

Then Intel went back to drawing board and created Core microarchitecture. That, my dear friend was the start of unprecedented domination of Intel. Since then, AMD has been playing the catchup.

they struggled for years to match Intel and atlast their top-of-the-line matched Intel Q6600, which was an awesome performer. By then, Intel moved to Penryn and again, it's back to square one for AMD. And now even before they responded, Intel has come up with a new microarchitecture Nehalem.

If AMD does not match Nehalem by next summer, it's going to be more trouble for AMD because Intel is going to build on Nehalem and get Westmere on 32nm fabrication.

The only hope for AMD is Fusion platform (bulldozer core). It has the capacity to do what Core microarchitecture did. But that's another 2years away from now.

So, for next two years, it's Intel all the way.

think about it ,, as the failure over AMD phenom 9500 & 9600 ,AMD moves are very slow on processor manufacturing .. as they not need an another error processor

But still now for graphics use there is only one name that is AMD ...

As ATi now made a hit ----> 4850/4870

Don't bring Graphics into this. that's between ATI(amd) and nVidia. And without any doubt, I would say that ATI has clear edge here.

[hellgate]

Originally Posted by ultimategpu

@But still now for graphics use there is only one name that is AMD ...

r u sane?hav u just lost ur mind????
Intel Q9300 kicks the 9950's a$$ real harde when it comes to gaming and gfx.belive me doo cuz i've used a 9850 BE for a few days and hav suffered a lot.

[desiibond]

I really fell laughing when he mentioned that "PENTIUM 4 is Intel's great processor which has been held over long time " and "AMD Phenom 9950 ,, is very good processor it beats intel core2quad q9550 in 3d rendering and also audio video conversion"

"

[ultimategpu]

Originally Posted by desiibond

I really fell laughing when he mentioned that "PENTIUM 4 is Intel's great processor which has been held over long time " and "AMD Phenom 9950 ,, is very good processor it beats intel core2quad q9550 in 3d rendering and also audio video conversion"

"

dude say

that COREi7 is LGA775 socket ????

with in two years 2006 to 2008 how much processor does intel rapidly introduced ???

you ll say that INTEL will not introduce any other processor on various socket for 1 year ???

Check the price for CORE2QUAD Q9550 --------> 18k [superb how much days it ll worth for gaming]

CRYSIS & COD4 [FPS] on 1280*1024 @ all very high with HD4870 (minimun fps)

crysis FPS

AMD phenom 9950 --->31

core2duoE8500 --->40

core2quad q9550 ---->36

COD4

AMD phenom 9950 --->61

core2duoE8500 --->73

core2quad q9550 ---->69


for 6 to 7 FPS more AMD phenom 9950 ,, to u have to pay double the amount for Q9550

i AM not an AMD fanguy ,,, k ,, but worth for money i am saying AMD phenom 9950 is final edition available quad cores in the market ,, that means it has some thing little to do for multitasking

... PENTIUM 4 is processor which is sold out in the market for 3 years , were INTEL did not introduce any upgrade to PENTIUM 4

AMD phenom 9850 black edition is really electric stove ,,, emits lots of heat so that u could have problem---


@desiibond

dude ,, say him that any processor which beats AMD phenom 9950 with in the cost of 9k???? as on quad core


dude never underestimate the AMD rigs ,,,

[hellgate]

Originally Posted by ultimategpu

dude ,, say him that any processor which beats AMD phenom 9950 with in the cost of 9k???? as on quad core

and i'll give u the E8400 (a dual beating the holy hell out of ur 9950 hehehe),the Q6600 oc'd to match the 9950 clk speed.u want any more????

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by ultimategpu

dude say

that COREi7 is LGA775 socket ????

with in two years 2006 to 2008 how much processor does intel rapidly introduced ???

IN those two years that Intel sticked to LGA775, here are the changes from AMD

Sockert 754
socket 939
socket AM2
socket am2+.
Only AM2+ is backward compatible with AM2

And if you think that AM2 is future proof, take a break.

AMD is moving to AM3 with support for DD3 in Summer 2009. So, stop giving the bullshit that AMD rig is future proof for 2years and have no scope for upgrade.

As it stand now, Nehalem has the best option in this aspect. It's a new socket that is already released and will be in market in few weeks and it is the one that Intel is going to use for next few architectures taking it to atleast 2010/2011.

Intel brought in lot of changes that rocked the industry and AMD. Thanks to them, PC's were able to cope up with gaming industry. If Intel released better processors regularly, that's called agression.

you ll say that INTEL will not introduce any other processor on various socket for 1 year ???

Forget about 1year. They are going to use same socket LGA1366] for next two architectures atleast. That means once you upgrade to nehalem, you are safe. Unlike AMD that has to change their socket for Bulldozer a.k.a Fusion platform.

Check the price for CORE2QUAD Q9550 --------> 18k [superb how much days it ll worth for gaming]

CRYSIS & COD4 [FPS] on 1280*1024 @ all very high with HD4870 (minimun fps)

crysis FPS

AMD phenom 9950 --->31

core2duoE8500 --->40

core2quad q9550 ---->36

COD4

AMD phenom 9950 --->61

core2duoE8500 --->73

core2quad q9550 ---->69

Ah. What a lame comparision. Can you please provide the link from where you got this results. I would have to show that guy how to use E8500 coz he apparently don't know how to do that. Moreover, everyone is shouting gaga that games are not yet fully utilized by game developers. I showed you earlier the power that Q9300 has over 9950 BE in video rendering and encoding/decoding.

In Video rendering, you will find that 9950 stands nowhere near to Q9550. If you really want gaming, chec kthose tests comparing E8400 with 9950BE. 9550 will be kicked out of the arena with minimal effort.

Enter Nehalem, game developers will now start utilizing all four cores. And then, believe me my friend, Q9550, Q9300, i7 will be on a whole new level when compared to 9950 BE.

PS: my processor is AMD 3000+ and my GPU is 2600XT but I do know that AMD stands nowhere near to Intel even if they consider their fastest CPU. They are for budget conscious buyers and certinaly not for hardcore games with good budget.


either you have no idea about microprocessor market or you are just searching for reasons to support Quad cores.



i AM not an AMD fanguy ,,, k ,, but worth for money i am saying AMD phenom 9950 is final edition available quad cores in the market ,, that means it has some thing little to do for multitasking

... PENTIUM 4 is processor which is sold out in the market for 3 years , were INTEL did not introduce any upgrade to PENTIUM 4

That is because for two years, Intel struggled to design a microarchitecture that could give them advantage and they had to stick to P4 till that time.

It's not sold out in market for 3years dude. It was sold and that was the time when AMD made lot of gain in market share.

AMD phenom 9850 black edition is really electric stove ,,, emits lots of heat so that u could have problem---

@desiibond

dude ,, say him that any processor which beats AMD phenom 9950 with in the cost of 9k???? as on quad core


dude never underestimate the AMD rigs ,,,

I don't know from where you got those stupid benchmarks or did you search for a site that shows no difference between AMD and Intel rigs/

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-371-4.htm
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwar...261_3756681__9
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1365&pageID=5469
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/735/5/

Check any VALID review and you will find lot of difference in speed, be it gaming or video/audio rendering.


PS: why am I trying to argue that Intel has clear advantage?? Every sane techie on earth is aware of this hard cold fact that they have the performance crown.

[furious_gamer]

Just stop the debate and try to help the thread_starter.... If u want a debate then juz start a new thread and discuss there... No hard feelings there ye..

Heres the config
Q9300 - 13.8k
MSI P45 Neo2 FR - 8.3k / ASUS P5Q - 8.1k..(May be u get MSI P45 Neo F for 6k instead of the both to save 2k on Mobo)
2x2GB DDR2 - 3.4k
WD 640GB - 4k
ViewSonic 22" 2226W - 11k
Palit HD4850 - 9.5k
CM EP500W - 2.3k
Zebronics Cabinet - 1.3k
Logitech Combo - 0.9k

Total 55k.....

Did i miss anything?

Yes, a Altec Lansing BXR1121 - 1.2k
Samsung DVD RW - 1.1k

So total - 57.3k

Sorry for exceeding ur budget limit...

[hellgate]

Originally Posted by rajkumar_pb

Yes, a Altec Lansing BXR1121 - 1.2k

i wudnt suggest that spkr.the sound aint that gud,especially the bass.better get a Creative Inspire M2600 for 1.6k

[ultimategpu]

Originally Posted by rajkumar_pb

Just stop the debate and try to help the thread_starter.... If u want a debate then juz start a new thread and discuss there... No hard feelings there ye..

Heres the config
Q9300 - 13.8k
MSI P45 Neo2 FR - 8.3k / ASUS P5Q - 8.1k..(May be u get MSI P45 Neo F for 6k instead of the both to save 2k on Mobo)
2x2GB DDR2 - 3.4k
WD 640GB - 4k
ViewSonic 22" 2226W - 11k
Palit HD4850 - 9.5k
CM EP500W - 2.3k
Zebronics Cabinet - 1.3k
Logitech Combo - 0.9k

Total 55k.....

Did i miss anything?

Yes, a Altec Lansing BXR1121 - 1.2k
Samsung DVD RW - 1.1k

So total - 57.3k

Sorry for exceeding ur budget limit...

Raj"
he is asking for HD4870 k ... say for that

[furious_gamer]

^^ Juz stick with this config and save some money, get HD4870 later.... coz he ask for a AMD+HD4870 or Intel+HD4850... I give him the second option...
BTW the config i mention is somewhat reasonable interms of performance.. at least i hope so...

[ultimategpu]

Originally Posted by rajkumar_pb

He cant afford HD4870 + Quad Core if he choose Intel Rig..coz the proccy itself costs 13k,Mobo for around 8k and so on....If he wish to buy HD4870, he will sacrifice some items like get MSI P45 Neo F instead of what i suggested and get Q6600 instead of Q9300..which reduce about 6k overall.... And now he can able to get HD4870.....

Tell me this ,,

comparing to INTEL core2quad q6600 , AMD phenom 9950 is good or not ???

[furious_gamer]

^^ What kinda question is that ... BTW i haven't read any reviews comparing these two and if i find something, i'll tell u...

Is Q6600 is direct competition for AMD 9550... I dont think so...

Did u compare Celeron with AMD 5000+? ... The question u ask is like this..

[ultimategpu]

Originally Posted by rajkumar_pb

^^ What kinda question is that ... BTW i haven't read any reviews comparing these two and if i find something, i'll tell u...

Is Q6600 is direct competition for AMD 9550... I dont think so...

i ll post the review ,, wait

[desiibond]

^^ Arey bhai, got bored of hearing the same thing from you.

Q6600 is history. Want to compare 9950, compare it with Q9300 or E8400

huh.

[furious_gamer]

No more debate...
@ultimate_gpu....
AFAIK Q6600 is aint the direct competiton for 9550... The Q6600 was a best VFM Quad Core IMO....
May be the 9550 was compared with Q9300 and if so, then Q9300 was a best proccy then...