Graphics Cards related queries here.

[mohiuddin]

@ mohiuddin
Who are you talking about surviving? Nvidia!! You mean amd/ati will finish nvidia! If thats gonna happen then amd will take over intel?? you might say that.... What do you mean by saying 570 is 1.5yrs new???

Look i tell you once more.. GTX 570 IS NOT A GTX 480 WITH A VAPOUR COOLER. and that is not in the picture now so its pointless to talk about gtx 480.
The thing is who gives better performance at a price point and then decider. I told you that we wait for 69xx series to launch and then continue with the talks.

What if 6950 ends up being expensive and performs less than 570? What will you say then?

So wait up until cayman launches and also gtx 570 pricing in india to debate further.

what if??no talking abt if....i told neither abt nvidia nor amd.i told abt today's gpus' survival frm both sides...nd '570 1.5yrs new' means 5870 is 1.5yrs old....nd why why don't u get it?i know that 5xx has zcull,extra polymorph engine,transistor re-distribution....nd bla bla bla bla...some fancy additions...r u going 2 say 'oooohh yea' 2 those colored features...or see some real world benches.performance wise 480=570...ok...again saying, give 480 a vapor cooler,adaptive fan control,hardware-based powerconsumption check....then what?....so we can nd will say '570,580gtx r good referance card but not good gpu'....ok!

[Ishu Gupta]

^
Don't use SMS speak. Makes it hard to read.

And yeah, I agree with your point. It hardly beats GTX 480 in any of the benchmarks.

[vickybat]

what if??no talking abt if....i told neither abt nvidia nor amd.i told abt today's gpus' survival frm both sides...nd '570 1.5yrs new' means 5870 is 1.5yrs old....nd why why don't u get it?i know that 5xx has zcull,extra polymorph engine,transistor re-distribution....nd bla bla bla bla...some fancy additions...r u going 2 say 'oooohh yea' 2 those colored features...or see some real world benches.performance wise 480=570...ok...again saying, give 480 a vapor cooler,adaptive fan control,hardware-based powerconsumption check....then what?....so we can nd will say '570,580gtx r good referance card but not good gpu'....ok!

Be clear and post properly. There is no bla bla & no ifs and buts. The world says that 570 is a good gpu. Who cares what you say?? In your so called benches all of the single core competitors(except gtx580) are beaten and the gtx 480 is EOL.
So where will you add the vapour cooler huh!!

Those bla bla fancy features makes the 570 a force to reckon with and prepares it to battle upcoming amd parts.

So it really doesn't matter what you say........"if we add a vapour cooler"..5870 1.5 yrs old... doesn't matter at all.


@ asingh

Yes buddy i totally agree what you say. These are exciting times and we buyers will be the ones getting the benefit from the ongoing war between the two camps.

[Piyush]

so it looks like this to me

GTX 580 <-->HD 5970
GTX 570 <-->HD 5870
GTX 560 <-->HD 5850/HD 6870 (may be)

that means GTX 560 would be around 15k-16k when it hits the market

[mohiuddin]

Be clear and post properly. There is no bla bla & no ifs and buts. The world says that 570 is a good gpu. Who cares what you say?? In your so called benches all of the single core competitors(except gtx580) are beaten and the gtx 480 is EOL.
So where will you add the vapour cooler huh!!

Those bla bla fancy features makes the 570 a force to reckon with and prepares it to battle upcoming amd parts.

So it really doesn't matter what you say........"if we add a vapour cooler"..5870 1.5 yrs old... doesn't matter at all.


@ asingh

Yes buddy i totally agree what you say. These are exciting times and we buyers will be the ones getting the benefit from the ongoing war between the two camps.

i don't know what d world u r talking about!if ur world is nvidiaforum & their blind friends&fans ,then it is ok...nvidia could add a vaporcooler with 480 and sell it as a 570...it would fulfil its purpose...they did those worthless-tricky-fancy features just 2 find the excuses of next-generation naming scheme.i don't think ,i belive amd will blow a big punch 2 these poor vapor-cooled,fancy-featured,powerhungry,large worthless monsters.i liked nvidia 2yrs back.but,their progressively increasing die and watt-usage pissed me off!!

And u asked me about which one's survival i was talking.i told about today's gpus .not pointing any company. And i said 'gtx570 is 1.5yr new' to mean that gtx 570 is based on about 1.5yr newer technologies than 5870. I don't wanna start fight becoz what the benefit? Both of them r after our money.isn't it?. I prefer amd coz they r now giving better solutions for price and as underdog, they will hold nvidia's price-horse..don't argue like a fan.

[aby geek]

The 69xx are going to be expensive, and will be expensive to run. These will be high end parts since they will employ the dual core design. Running these cards will be totally a different ball park. From what I see the 6950 would take on the new GTX570 and the upper end 69xx will head on with GTX 580. I doubt nVidia will release a dual GPU design, since they still do not have the thermals worked out for the Fermi.

Times are exciting for VGA cards, with releases happening so fast from both camps.

nvidia dual gpu design was first to be announsed its gtx 595.

http://www.thinkdigit.com/Gaming/Dua...orce_5732.html

[vickybat]

i don't know what d world u r talking about!if ur world is nvidiaforum & their blind friends&fans ,then it is ok...nvidia could add a vaporcooler with 480 and sell it as a 570...it would fulfil its purpose...they did those worthless-tricky-fancy features just 2 find the excuses of next-generation naming scheme.i don't think ,i belive amd will blow a big punch 2 these poor vapor-cooled,fancy-featured,powerhungry,large worthless monsters.i liked nvidia 2yrs back.but,their progressively increasing die and watt-usage pissed me off!!

And u asked me about which one's survival i was talking.i told about today's gpus .not pointing any company. And i said 'gtx570 is 1.5yr new' to mean that gtx 570 is based on about 1.5yr newer technologies than 5870. I don't wanna start fight becoz what the benefit? Both of them r after our money.isn't it?. I prefer amd coz they r now giving better solutions for price and as underdog, they will hold nvidia's price-horse..don't argue like a fan.

Look friend this is not about fanboism. Nvidia is just extracting more juice from its fermi architecture thats it. If amd can manage to blow a big punch, i would definitely appreciate that because we consumers will benefit if there is stiff competition among rivals.

They will try to out do each other, technologies will improve and prices will drop.... all in our benefit.

My words were totally unbiased as i myself own a radeon 5750 so i am not supporting nvidia or amd but telling the truth. You cannot predict whats gonna happen when new cards will launch but speculate or anticipate.

So i say to wait till cayman launches and then see what happens when both of them duel in the benchmarks.

[Cilus]

Hey guys, stop fighting and wait for the 69XX release. vickybat, what mohiuddin was trying to say that HD 5870 has been released almost 1.5 Years back and still provide a very good performance to its price. All the new GTX 5XX series are having the benefit of 1.5 Years of advancement of GPU technologies and still they have high power consumption and very large die size.

Our expectation was little bit higher for the GTX 5XX series, that's all.

Lets see what is AMD's offering

[topgear]

Can vx450 power a 6870 safely. I am asking cause i have that same rock solid psu

depending on your current config - yes.

so it looks like this to me

GTX 580 <-->HD 5970
GTX 570 <-->HD 5870
GTX 560 <-->HD 5850/HD 6870 (may be)

that means GTX 560 would be around 15k-16k when it hits the market

I would like to add one more : HD6850 ( OcEd) <--> HD 5850/HD 6870

[mohiuddin]

I would like to add one more : HD6850 ( OcEd) <--> HD 5850/HD 6870

6870 is between 5850 and 5870.not par with 5850.

so it looks like this to me

GTX 580 <-->HD 5970
GTX 570 <-->HD 5870
GTX 560 <-->HD 5850/HD 6870 (may be)

that means GTX 560 would be around 15k-16k when it hits the market

5970>580gtx
570gtx>5870

Hey guys, stop fighting and wait for the 69XX release. vickybat, what mohiuddin was trying to say that HD 5870 has been released almost 1.5 Years back and still provide a very good performance to its price. All the new GTX 5XX series are having the benefit of 1.5 Years of advancement of GPU technologies and still they have high power consumption and very large die size.

Our expectation was little bit higher for the GTX 5XX series, that's all.

Lets see what is AMD's offering

thanx bro.u got my point.btw,it is pretty sure that 6970 will be of 1920sp and 6950 of ~1530sp.any new rumorz about these?

[damngoodman999]

So These Murders happened in last 2 months !

GTX 570 killed HD 5870
HD 6870 Killed HD 5850

[Jaskanwar Singh]

^^more to happen soon!! BEWARE!!

[Zangetsu]

So These Murders happened in last 2 months !

GTX 570 killed HD 5870
HD 6870 Killed HD 5850

newer beating older..is not a surprise....but obvious......the reverse is surprising though....

[mohiuddin]

So These Murders happened in last 2 months !

GTX 570 killed HD 5870
HD 6870 Killed HD 5850

and 6970 is coming 2 make this statement true
'6970 killed 580'
'price reduced'

[vickybat]

@ mohiuddin

Early previews show 6970 slower than 580. And 69xx series will be expensive surely around 25k or more.

Check this

It says 6970 is 10% faster than gtx 480 & gtx 580 is some 18% faster than its predecessor.

So it will be seen who murders whom.

[Cilus]

vickybat, stop fighting yaar. It is written over the review that it is at least 10% faster compared to GTX 480 without proper driver and proper release. It does not imply anything, whether it is slower or faster.
Just wait a few days for the release.

[asingh]

Those 69xx tests are synthetic and doubtful. Let us just wait for the official release and upliftment of the NDA.

[Chimu]

@ Chimu... I own a Asus P5QPL-AM mobo...and I recently bought Sapphire HD5670 1 Gb...its working fine for me...never heard of the compatibility issue u r talking about...

Did you require to update your bios or not before installing the GPU?

[furious_gamer]

Did you require to update your bios or not before installing the GPU?

No need for BIOS flash.

[ico]

A HD 6850 crossfire setup performs slightly better than GTX 580 as the reviews say. It is also par with noise and power consumption.

AMD surely has something to answer with 69xx series. I wouldn't believe blatant speculation.

[vickybat]

A HD 6850 crossfire setup performs slightly better than GTX 580 as the reviews say. It is also par with noise and power consumption.

AMD surely has something to answer with 69xx series. I wouldn't believe blatant speculation.

Very true ico but i highly doubt a single 6970 beating 6850cf setup. If it manages to do that , then it will take the crown of being the world's fastest single gpu. We all will know that after dec 15th hopefully.

The 6850cf is not that much ahead of gtx460 sli. So if the upcoming gtx 560 are priced right, 560sli might beat 6850cf fair and square and may even take the fight to 6870cf.

[mohiuddin]

A HD 6850 crossfire setup performs slightly better than GTX 580 as the reviews say. It is also par with noise and power consumption.

AMD surely has something to answer with 69xx series. I wouldn't believe blatant speculation.

a perfect answer. Hope amd will crush those vapor-tooth.

Very true ico but i highly doubt a single 6970 beating 6850cf setup. If it manages to do that , then it will take the crown of being the world's fastest single gpu. We all will know that after dec 15th hopefully.

The 6850cf is not that much ahead of gtx460 sli. So if the upcoming gtx 560 are priced right, 560sli might beat 6850cf fair and square and may even take the fight to 6870cf.

6970 =1920sps
2x6850=920+920=1840sps
plz also note that sli or cfx isn't scaling 2x.
So,what make u so doubtful about that.

@ mohiuddin

Early previews show 6970 slower than 580. And 69xx series will be expensive surely around 25k or more.

Check this

It says 6970 is 10% faster than gtx 480 & gtx 580 is some 18% faster than its predecessor.

So it will be seen who murders whom.

i think, u got the answers.

[vickybat]

a perfect answer. Hope amd will crush those vapor-tooth.



6970 =1920sps
2x6850=920+920=1840sps
plz also note that sli or cfx isn't scaling 2x.
So,what make u so doubtful about that.



i think, u got the answers.

No i didn't & i think you will never get yours.

The 6850 has 960 sp's not 920 (Think and see properly before you post) & i don't no what the heck you are talking about. That makes 6850cf 1920 sp's same as 6970 but the frontend alone doesn't decide the performance of a gpu but the backend also matters.

No. of rop's (Z-stencil & colour), video memory,memorybus all matters and 6970's backend will fall short of 6850cf. And sli scales better than cf due to better nvidia drivers.

So don't hope too much. Only a proper release of 69xx series will clear everything.

[aby geek]

560 is going to be above 15k so even if it does beat 6850 cf it will be costlier. and int that cost you will be able to get 6970.

and yesterday a previous post on fudzilla was updated and the accepted their error said 6970 may as well be around 20% faster than 480.

barts and caicos were coming first , but dont see them selling , can you fill me in with the news about 6750 and 6770.

[vickybat]

This time amd cards will also be expensive. 6970 might end up more than 30k. 560 may just be aiming for 6870 and might just beat it . If it does then it will be interesting and we can see some price drops from either camp.

About the info about 6770 and 6750, here it is.

[mohiuddin]

No i didn't & i think you will never get yours.

The 6850 has 960 sp's not 920 (Think and see properly before you post) & i don't no what the heck you are talking about. That makes 6850cf 1920 sp's same as 6970 but the frontend alone doesn't decide the performance of a gpu but the backend also matters.

No. of rop's (Z-stencil & colour), video memory,memorybus all matters and 6970's backend will fall short of 6850cf. And sli scales better than cf due to better nvidia drivers.

So don't hope too much. Only a proper release of 69xx series will clear everything.

sry, my bad.i read abt 10reveiw sites on 6850.but why i did that mistake ,i don't know.but still 6970 gonna be what i expect...and u saw d correction abt fudzilla's daam wrong info , i think...brada,wait nd see what 6970 is bringing.

[asingh]

^^
Please do not use sms posting style. Looks extremely bad.

Thanks.

[vickybat]

sry, my bad.i read abt 10reveiw sites on 6850.but why i did that mistake ,i don't know.but still 6970 gonna be what i expect...and u saw d correction abt fudzilla's daam wrong info , i think...brada,wait nd see what 6970 is bringing.

Thats what i said from the very beginning i.e to wait and watch what 69xx series is bringing to the table. The pricing is going to be high but what matters is the performance & whether it has all the goodness to take on the mighty gtx 580 & 570 duo.

[mohiuddin]

Thats what i said from the very beginning i.e to wait and watch what 69xx series is bringing to the table. The pricing is going to be high but what matters is the performance & whether it has all the goodness to take on the mighty gtx 580 & 570 duo.

any new rumors on 69xx?..today is 12.12

[mitraark]

Is there any site where I can compare the benchmark results of 5670 vs 6850 ??? I am going to get a new PC with a 23" LCD , and i am really confused between those two.

Although almost everyone here will most probably say to go with the 6850 , i know myself that i hardly play any games , other than COunter STrike and FIFA 11. I had bought a 8600GT 256MBDDR3 2 years back but i ended up playing only Portal , i don;t play any other high end games.

For 1080p Movies and some work on MATLAB CATIA etc , 5670 will be more than enough i know , but pairing it with an i5 based PC would seem like a mismatch [ a bottleneck for many games ] so i want to see how much extra performance in 6850 i am going to get at double the price of 5670.