Graphics Cards related queries here.

[wwkk]

Hi Guys,

One of my friend suggested me to buy display card instead of graphic card, may i know the difference of both, if there any...He says graphic card are used by graphic designers and animators. can you please clarify this

[desiibond]

Hi Guys,

One of my friend suggested me to buy display card instead of graphic card, may i know the difference of both, if there any...He says graphic card are used by graphic designers and animators. can you please clarify this

your friend reply can be put in "dumbest things heard about computers" thread.

Display card, video card, graphics card, GPU, video accelerator. All these terms refer to same device.

To get a graphics card, you need to make sure that it is compatible with your motherboard and PSU.

what's your budget and what is the model number of your SMPS/PSU and what is the model number of your motherboard?

[topgear]

^^ Yup you are right.

BTW, I think his friend was referring a workstation card as a graphic card and the display card as the gaming card

[asingh]

^^
Actually the OPs friend, could have been also referring to the FireGL and Quadro cards, which are utilized by animators and GD people.

There seems to be some terminology mismatch for the OP, which D.Bond and T.Gear have clarified.

[desiibond]

^^ Yup you are right.

BTW, I think his friend was referring a workstation card as a graphic card and the display card as the gaming card

yes. his friend was referring to workstation graphics for Graphics card and gaming mainstream graphics for display card

Thanks for pointing out.

[damngoodman999]

Hi Guys,

One of my friend suggested me to buy display card instead of graphic card, may i know the difference of both, if there any...He says graphic card are used by graphic designers and animators. can you please clarify this

There is no way India wud develop

If graphics cards are used by grafix designers means - Computers shuld be used be used by computer programmers !

Guyz !

Same thing i heard when i was standing in a computer shop ,, near one guy speaking with other one

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DESi

7000 Posts Gr8 !!!

[Krow]

Congrats desii, still going strong.

@ wwkk Tell us what you need and what you have. We'll help you.

[Rockstar09]

hello evry1,

Is the Radeon HD 4650 more powerful than 9600Gt whts the price of both in mumbai?

thanx
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hello evry1,

Is the Radeon HD 4650 more powerful than 9600Gt whts the price of both in mumbai?

thanx

[Krow]

^No, 4650 is way slower than 9600GT.

4670 1GB (4.5k) is a little slower than 9600GT 512MB (4.7k). Get the 4670 is you have a cheap PSU and if you have a good PSU then get the 9600GT.

[User Name]

I want to buy entry level GPU which one should i go for ?
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I am using a bit old pc which uses DDR ram. It has one PCI slot.
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will there be any prob. with ram and GPU. ?

my mobo has PCI Express x16 slot

[asingh]

^^
Fiscal budget..?

[User Name]

about 2200/-

[hell_storm2006]

2.2k wont get you anything. Minimum is 9400GT which is a crap card at 2.5k. Better is save the money, go for an upgrade later.

[Hagrid]

Hi everyone. Just registered here. Hope someone could help me out with a multi monitor setup.

For a film shoot, I need to setup a three monitor display system. Let me list what I have presently.

1. AMD Athlon 7750 Dual Core 2700Mhz, Asus M2N68-AM Plus MB, 2GB Ram, Two WD 320GB HDDs, etc., with a Samsung 2033 monitor.

2. An older AMD Sempron 2800MHz, Asus K8V-VM Ultra MB, 1GB RAM, One WD 160GB HDD, etc., with a Samsung 794MG CRT.

Both MBs have 1 free PCI Express x16 slot and onboard graphics.

I am planning to buy two more Samsung 2033s and combine them together.

I have the following basic requirements for the setup. The displays should be independent of each other. It should be able to display videos on one monitor, and OS desktops on the other two, including web browsers on one, sometimes. There won't be any games or other graphics intensive work going on.

Can I buy a PCI Exp card with 2 video outs (either 1 VGA + DVI or 2 DVIs) and use my onboard card for the third monitor? Or should I go in for a new system?

Also, would a 500W Power supply be enough, or shall I go in for something bigger?

My h/w friend suggested using an xfx 9400GT card. But from their website, it seems it only comes with PCI Exp 2.0.

Any help regarding graphics cards, MBs, and power supplies will be greatly appreciated.

[desiibond]

my suggestion for you is to get ATI's dx11 card that support eyefinity. a 9400GT may not be able to drive three displays and I don't think you can use the onboard GPU when PCIe GPU is active.

[comp@ddict]

^^^^ HD5770 can alone power the three displays

[rohan_mhtr]

^^^^ HD5770 can alone power the three displays

And also the HD5750

[tkin]

And also the HD5750

HD5750 is damn waste of money, with 1k extra HD5770 blows 5750 out of water.

[NVIDIAGeek]

People, please tell me is there any big difference between DX10 and DX11? Or is it like DX9 and DX10. I'm thinkin' of goin' for a new GPU, it's been a year with HD4850 (& GF9800GTX+). Not a good move, eh? When the Phuc are NVIDIA gonna announce anythin' 'bout GT300 series? I. Need. PhysX!!

[tkin]

People, please tell me is there any big difference between DX10 and DX11? Or is it like DX9 and DX10. I'm thinkin' of goin' for a new GPU, it's been a year with HD4850 (& GF9800GTX+). Not a good move, eh? When the Phuc are NVIDIA gonna announce anythin' 'bout GT300 series? I. Need. PhysX!!

DX11 vs DX10: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679&p=5

If you ask me not that much visually but in terms of FPS, they all talking about how tesselation improves edges, check out crysis, almost all its textures look better and sharper than Stalker 3 with tesselation applied, but that's where the FPS drop happens in Crysis. And other features not so good looking either, Just play Crysis Warhead: From Hell's heart level and Stalker looks like last century graphics.

nVidia is dying, that's the honest truth, the only thing that keeps them from total wipe-out is the blasted fab of TSMC(and workstation cards, ion, tesla and tegra ett etc) , rumors say they have just taped out A2 silicon of GT300, so given the facts its still 3-5 weeks more for a soft(paper) launch followed by a hard launch sometimes feb/march 2010, mass availability sometimes in april 2010, by that time 58xx will drop more and hopefully the shortage will be fixed, HD4850 and 9800GTX+ is still Ok at resolution of upto 1680x1050, handles all games flawlessly(except Crysis maxed out, but it can be played upto 1440x900).

I do admit PhysX looks nice but the performance hit is way too much.

[asingh]

People, please tell me is there any big difference between DX10 and DX11? Or is it like DX9 and DX10. I'm thinkin' of goin' for a new GPU, it's been a year with HD4850 (& GF9800GTX+). Not a good move, eh? When the Phuc are NVIDIA gonna announce anythin' 'bout GT300 series? I. Need. PhysX!!

Please do not take this as me harping about the new 5xxx series and/or ATI. I am clearly stating this from a technical point of view with reference to the above and current line up of GPUs.

There is quite a bit difference when using Dx11. It offers stuff like Tessellation, multi threading, Dynamic Shader, Shader Model 5.0 to name a few.

Here is a good link to an article. If you are from a programing background you would understand the new powerful features and capabilities which are available via the enhanced API. This will take make game programing to a higher level, and greater advanced features will be shown. Game programmers will quickly adopt to this new technology, and we as end users will see more game on this codepath.

I personally feel Tessellation will 'change the way' 3D will appear on our screens. Basically as of now 3D is rendered via polygons. Shapes are drawn inside wireframes, and pieced together using multiple polygons. And this wireframe is drawn over and over really quickly to shown movement. What Tessellation offers is that: these polygons can be further subdivided automatically into smaller and more detailed shapes, and each of these shapes can be 'controlled' for color, geometry. It gives power for greater detail and image enhancement, with far far greater control. All ATI cards which are >= 4xxx series have this tessellation engine in-built.

To see a classic example, go to this link, and click on the wireframe buttons for the dragon and house. You will see the amount of polygon counts increasing by a massive amount to render the same image.

You could download the Unigine demo from the same link above, and run it. If you do not have Windows 7 and a GPU > HD4xxx, then run the demo in Dx9, and press F9 to see the wireframes. Its phenomenal.

Regarding the change from a HD4850 as of now. Depends, if you want to see all of the above, and have the cash... go for it. Simple as that. I doubt prices are really going to get that low. nVidia has not even announced its paper release. It is confirmed that their line is facing issues at TSMC. We could argue that getting a 5xxx card, we miss out on PhysX. But a lot of it can be (not all) processed by the CPU. I ran Scorpion Disfigured and saw PhysX affects. Not the best, but they were there. But imagine with a Tessellation capable card (and of course it will be powerful too), what the gaming experience will be.

Choose and be a winner...else wait and watch. (Like most of us are).
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@Tkin: Excellent write up.....!

I guess both Tkin and I were writing our essays at the same time, I did not even see his, doubt he saw mine. But now both are there.

[tkin]

Please do not take this as me harping about the new 5xxx series and/or ATI. I am clearly stating this from a technical point of view with reference to the above and current line up of GPUs.

There is quite a bit difference when using Dx11. It offers stuff like Tessellation, multi threading, Dynamic Shader, Shader Model 5.0 to name a few.

Here is a good link to an article. If you are from a programing background you would understand the new powerful features and capabilities which are available via the enhanced API. This will take make game programing to a higher level, and greater advanced features will be shown. Game programmers will quickly adopt to this new technology, and we as end users will see more game on this codepath.

I personally feel Tessellation will 'change the way' 3D will appear on our screens. Basically as of now 3D is rendered via polygons. Shapes are drawn inside wireframes, and pieced together using multiple polygons. And this wireframe is drawn over and over really quickly to shown movement. What Tessellation offers is that: these polygons can be further subdivided automatically into smaller and more detailed shapes, and each of these shapes can be 'controlled' for color, geometry. It gives power for greater detail and image enhancement, with far far greater control. All ATI cards which are >= 4xxx series have this tessellation engine in-built.

To see a classic example, go to this link, and click on the wireframe buttons for the dragon and house. You will see the amount of polygon counts increasing by a massive amount to render the same image.

You could download the Unigine demo from the same link above, and run it. If you do not have Windows 7 and a GPU > HD4xxx, then run the demo in Dx9, and press F9 to see the wireframes. Its phenomenal.

Regarding the change from a HD4850 as of now. Depends, if you want to see all of the above, and have the cash... go for it. Simple as that. I doubt prices are really going to get that low. nVidia has not even announced its paper release. It is confirmed that their line is facing issues at TSMC. We could argue that getting a 5xxx card, we miss out on PhysX. But a lot of it can be (not all) processed by the CPU. I ran Scorpion Disfigured and saw PhysX affects. Not the best, but they were there. But imagine with a Tessellation capable card (and of course it will be powerful too), what the gaming experience will be.

Choose and be a winner...else wait and watch. (Like most of us are).
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@Tkin:

I guess both Tkin and I were writing our essays at the same time, I did not even see his, doubt he saw mine. But now both are there.

Yup:-P; and just to prove my point here's another rumor, and I can bet its a lie too. http://www.driverheaven.net/news.php?newsid=296

[Hagrid]

Thanks guys... But HD5750s and 5770s, are they available here in India? I just went through 2 reviews for HD5770. They are said to be loud. And for the 3rd monitor, you need to use the DisplayPort connector

Problem is that we are shooting in sync sound. So I need a really quiet solution. And the budget isn't unlimited, anything around 5k for the card is ok. I can maybe stretch it a little bit.

The bios for Asus M2N68-AM lists 2 options for Primary Graphics Adapter:

IGP -> PCI -> PCIE
PCIE -> PCI -> IGP

Does that mean if I put another PCIE graphics card with 2 outputs, the onboard GPU won't be disabled?

Also, if I use a PCIE card with VGA + DVI outputs, will it run 2 different displays?

[asingh]

Thanks guys... But HD5750s and 5770s, are they available here in India? I just went through 2 reviews for HD5770. They are said to be loud. And for the 3rd monitor, you need to use the DisplayPort connector

Problem is that we are shooting in sync sound. So I need a really quiet solution. And the budget isn't unlimited, anything around 5k for the card is ok. I can maybe stretch it a little bit.

The bios for Asus M2N68-AM lists 2 options for Primary Graphics Adapter:

IGP -> PCI -> PCIE
PCIE -> PCI -> IGP

Does that mean if I put another PCIE graphics card with 2 outputs, the onboard GPU won't be disabled?

Also, if I use a PCIE card with VGA + DVI outputs, will it run 2 different displays?

As a rule, when you mount a discrete VGA adapter card the integrated video solution has to be / or is automatically : TURNED OFF.

You can buy the 5xxx series card which have been listed above. The HD5770 has three output connectors which can run together: DVI x 2x + HDMI x 1x.

A 450W PSU should suffice. This card is compatible with your mATX board. I have not heard stuff about these cards being too loud. You can lower the fan sound via CCC, or third party tools easily.

[Hagrid]

Unfortunately, for 5700s and 5800s, one monitor has to be connected to DisplayPort. Pl. check the links below.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/24204-xfx-radeon-hd-5770-1gb-gddr5-review-5.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/imagehosting/2404aba41c635d0d.jpg

I have read about few MBs which support a secondary GPU without disabling the onboard one. Can't find anything related to M2N68-AM Plus.

Also that MB has PCIE x16 port, not the PCIE 2.0 one. So I should be looking for older graphics cards, right?

More suggestions please

[tkin]

Does anyone know what this is, I doubt its Fermi, but what then??
http://www.evga.com/blackfriday/

[asingh]

Unfortunately, for 5700s and 5800s, one monitor has to be connected to DisplayPort. Pl. check the links below.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/24204-xfx-radeon-hd-5770-1gb-gddr5-review-5.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/imagehosting/2404aba41c635d0d.jpg

I have read about few MBs which support a secondary GPU without disabling the onboard one. Can't find anything related to M2N68-AM Plus.

Also that MB has PCIE x16 port, not the PCIE 2.0 one. So I should be looking for older graphics cards, right?

More suggestions please

Yes a DP is needed for the 3rd monitor. Your PCI x16 is good to go for the card.

This link explains a bit about dual display. Give it a detailed read.
http://www.geeks.com/techtips/2005/t...s-AUG18-05.htm

Also, the Matrox line of cards, offer multiple display. You can power upto 8x monitors.

Give this a look. Not sure of prices.
http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/pr...io/extiof1400/

[tkin]

^^
Yes a DP is needed for the 3rd monitor. Your PCI x16 is good to go for the card.

This link explains a bit about dual display. Give it a detailed read.
http://www.geeks.com/techtips/2005/t...s-AUG18-05.htm

Also, the Matrox line of cards, offer multiple display. You can power upto 8x monitors.

Give this a look. Not sure of prices.
http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/pr...io/extiof1400/

Not sure but I think I heard somewhere that Matrox GPUs are professional and cost a lot.

[asingh]

Does anyone know what this is, I doubt its Fermi, but what then??
http://www.evga.com/blackfriday/

Seems..so...!

Book marked it. Black Friday is the day, when all retail outlets sell stuff damn cheap in the US.

Lets see...!

[tkin]

Seems..so...!

Book marked it. Black Friday is the day, when all retail outlets sell stuff damn cheap in the US.

Lets see...!

Really? I didn't knew that, how come we don't have someday like that?? What's our government doing??