ATI's new 4800 GPU! Will they be able to take down 9800GTX and 9800GX2 of NVIDIA?

[pk_chester]

See ATi launched thir new losers the 4800 series GPUs and are daunting that they are faster and more powerful than NVIDIA's 9800GTX and 9800GX2 while being easy on the pocket and I dont give a ****. Still they will not be able to beat NVIDIA. What say guys? Whats your poll?

[ajayashish]

Till now i have heard that 3870X2 beats 8800gts hands down... i am not a benchmarker but am saying after reading the reviews... i myself am waiting for the new ATI cards to come and will buy that then

[napster007]

Originally Posted by pk_chester

See ATi launched thir new losers the 4800 series GPUs and are daunting that they are faster and more powerful than NVIDIA's 9800GTX and 9800GX2 while being easy on the pocket and I dont give a ****. Still they will not be able to beat NVIDIA. What say guys? Whats your poll?

hey newbie.....dont insult just because they don't have a card to match up to the 9800. See their mid range and performance cards....they are way cheaper than....the nvidia. i'm a nvidia user,,but it dosent mean that i'll go insulting ati. they have their own pro's and cons.

next time....read your article before u post

[Faun]

^^yeah

[ajayashish]

^^^^ +1

[pk_chester]

Hey napster I just joined the forums dosent mean i am a newbie! I know what I am posting! And yeah ATi is gonna be beaten for sure!

[ajayashish]

^^^^ better dont just give comments... let them compete first and then we can decide which is better

[pk_chester]

sure but stick with NVIDIA till your last breath!

[Hrithan2020]

@pk chester
So u r not a noob?Then ur definitely a very biased person(Go,join nvidia fanboy's association).
By the way,3870x2 already beats 8800 ultra(which is about 20% faster than 9800gtx) in most benchmarks.My question is,will the next generation amd cards be able to beat real next gen nvidia(ie RV770 vs GT200) which will take at least another 3-4 months to get released by the looks of it.So Ati would definitely have the advantage for now(They are claiming a performance increase of 50%,which would obliterate the current gen cards,way above 9800gtx).

My bet is still on nvidia's GT200;but now that crossfire(&sli) platforms have matured,it would always be the performance/price that should count.Besides,ati has already said that they are focussing on multiple gpu cards while nvidia(hypocrites are focusing on very fast single GPU cards.

By the way,where did u get the info that 4800 has released,it is only in production right?.

[ancientrites]

Originally Posted by napster007

hey newbie.....dont insult just because they don't have a card to match up to the 9800. See their mid range and performance cards....they are way cheaper than....the nvidia. i'm a nvidia user,,but it dosent mean that i'll go insulting ati. they have their own pro's and cons.

next time....read your article before u post

+1 we simply cannot under estimate amd ati.

[x3060]

rightly said . . dont underestimate ati . . they are very good cards . . my current one is 7600 gt my future upgrade will surely be ati . . . right now they have excellent solutions . . am open to any card which suits my wallet . . both are not my own companys . . so i have no feelings towards them . i just want one that works well with in my reach thats all

[dOm1naTOr]

@pk_chester
The statement u just gave says it everythin bout ur knowledge

BTW 9800GX2 will be competing HD4800 X2 and not HD 4800.
Its the 9800GTX which competes HD 4800. And just go thru the specs of the HD 4xxx. It seems by far more superior than the 9800.

And BTW did u know that HD 3870 X2 already beats even 8800GT SLI??

Me too have nvidia cards 7600GT and 8600GT. But still i like ATI much. Nowadays its dem who brings cutting edge like 55nm, GDDR4,5 etc and DX 10.1 and ring bus technology. And still they are able to keep the prices low.

[pk_chester]

So you think GDDR4-5 helps? No they dont! PCIe 2.0 has a bandwidth limit my friend! And if you compare the *beep*****ing*beep* 3870x2 with a 8800GTX than its a no deal! 3870x2 is dual GPU card and the 8800GTX is a single GPU one! Man common! 9900 series card are gonna beat the hell outta ATi 4800! And yes the 9800 GX2 easily beats the 3870x2! So you have it

[dOm1naTOr]

U didnt get it.
I never compared the HD 3870X2 with a 1/5yr old 8800GTX.
I was comparing HD 3870 X2 with 8800GT SLI. So both are dual GPU ones.

And how do u compare a 40k 9800GX2 with a 20k HD 3870 X2???
nyway, everybody has their own views. Why start a new thread for such old topics??
theres been lots of thread more than 3 months old on the news nd specs of HD 4xxx...why start new ones just to express ur hate towards ATI??

@ajayashish
ya, thats a better idea

[m-jeri]

noob alert.....lol.....

let the two prod hit market and YOU buy them both and then post it here we all will agree.....

[Faun]

Originally Posted by x3060

. . so i have no feelings towards them .

how inhuman

[Hrithan2020]

Originally Posted by pk_chester

So you think GDDR4-5 helps? No they dont! PCIe 2.0 has a bandwidth limit my friend! And if you compare the *beep*****ing*beep* 3870x2 with a 8800GTX than its a no deal! 3870x2 is dual GPU card and the 8800GTX is a single GPU one! Man common! 9900 series card are gonna beat the hell outta ATi 4800! And yes the 9800 GX2 easily beats the 3870x2! So you have it

Yeah 9800gx2 does sure beat 3870x2 but is really overpriced for its performance.3870x2 is a better choice(provided u dont have sli/crossfire-capable mobos or dont want to bother with the sli/crossfire hassles).GDDR5 is supposed to be 3 times faster than GDDR3 so it may help in clocking the cards higher resulting in better performance.Right now,PCI-Express 2 is more a future proof option rather than for increasing performance.So,maybe the next gen card would be able to utilize the bandwidth of pci-express 2 to the full extent.

PS:I also hope that 99xx beats 48xx series which will lead to better performing card coming to the market sooner & at a cheaper price.(I could have a 8800 gt for 7k

[keith_j_snyder2]

Did u guys noticed this
This might be a rumor but what if it is right!

[pk_chester]

Have you ever heard of that site?

[amitash]

@pk chester....i own a 3870x2 and byfar it beats everything in the market except for the 9800gx2...the 9800gx2 is twice its price but not twice the performance...just compare the 3dmark results or any other benchmark for tat matter...for ex:
9800gx2 with Q6600 at 3.0Ghz=17452
3870x2 with q6600 at 3.0Ghz=17212
(all benchmark results are viewed in the 3dmark result comparing tool in their website)
mine scores only 16455 cus i have a dumb intel board....i dont think its worth 20k more for just tat lilttle performance increase...and the 3870x2 even beats the more expensive 9800GTX...plus if u have a crossfire board u can use any 2 ati cards in crossfire so ur old card wont go to waste...but for nvidia u have to buy an identical card.U cant put an 8800gtx and an 8800gt under sli but u can put a 3870x2 and 3850/3870 under crossfire...so its much more futureproof...chek this out:
http://lly316.blogspot.com/2008/03/g...870-x2_13.html
the 3870x2 performs even better than the 9800gx2 with AA

[dOm1naTOr]

@pk_chester
any more explanation?

[napster007]

@pk chester : Dude i'm telling you....don't support ur argument because the comparison u make is not fair.

PS : U'll get slammed here if u don't post sensible stuff! so think before u post! good luck

[jasku]

Hi guys,

I see there is a heated debate....good old nvidia vs ATI, well I for one, am using the 1900XT pretty happy with it, was planning to buy either the 9800GTX or the 3870GX2, was inclined towards the latter, simply because its got more bang for the buck, and also I can hybrid crosfire it or even get another 3870gx2 go qua cross fire.

Just for mr.pk_chester
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03 [...] review/13/

Also
http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/516/1/

But i have decided to put my shopping on hold for a month after seeing the leaked benchies of the 4870. Dunno if its the rite decision but I have waited this long...wats another 30 days.

Anyways now coming back to this topic, mr.pk_chester, as already pointed out by other members, its not rite for you go around insulting one manuf. jus coz ur loyality lies elsewhere.

Its coz of the rivalry between the 2 that the end user (us) reap the maximum benefit, if there was no ATI, you would have nVIDIA fleecing customers, or the vice versa.

I have owned the 5200fx earlier and now the ATI 1900XT, so I am not one to take sides (alltho i have a soft corner for AMD CPU's despite owning a C2D!) my point being its best for the 2 giants to slug it out..and from the rumors its gonna be one hell of a summer, more bang for the buck for us.

I really hope ATI can perform this time, and not flatter to deceive as they have done in the past, and then nVIDIA to match or even better it!

Lets wait and much!

PS-In the meanwhile I am stuck with my 1900XT

[keith_j_snyder2]

Originally Posted by amitash

@pk chester....i own a 3870x2 and byfar it beats everything in the market except for the 9800gx2...the 9800gx2 is twice its price but not twice the performance...just compare the 3dmark results or any other benchmark for tat matter...for ex:
9800gx2 with Q6600 at 3.0Ghz=17452
3870x2 with q6600 at 3.0Ghz=17212
(all benchmark results are viewed in the 3dmark result comparing tool in their website)
mine scores only 16455 cus i have a dumb intel board....i dont think its worth 20k more for just tat lilttle performance increase...and the 3870x2 even beats the more expensive 9800GTX...plus if u have a crossfire board u can use any 2 ati cards in crossfire so ur old card wont go to waste...but for nvidia u have to buy an identical card.U cant put an 8800gtx and an 8800gt under sli but u can put a 3870x2 and 3850/3870 under crossfire...so its much more futureproof...chek this out:
http://lly316.blogspot.com/2008/03/g...870-x2_13.html
the 3870x2 performs even better than the 9800gx2 with AA

Corrction!
ATi cards always score better in 3Dmark compared to nVidia cards. But actual performance is in games, because thats why we need graphics card, for playing games! I know there are other graphic uses of the graphics card but 9800GX2 performs better than 3870x2, though there is good point there about the price and 3870x2 does pose better value for money but still performance wise 9800GX2 is better.

One thing i agree from u is better utility of X-Fire. Thats true, ATi cards can also run 2 different cards whereas SLI require identical cards.

[dOm1naTOr]

As per the rumors even HD 4870 beats 9800GTX and GX2. Guess how powerful the HD 4870 X2 will be? which too is also on the HD 4xxx lineup.

[jasku]

Originally Posted by dOm1naTOr

As per the rumors even HD 4870 beats 9800GTX and GX2. Guess how powerful the HD 4870 X2 will be? which too is also on the HD 4xxx lineup.

Absolutely cant wait for the launch!...

[amitash]

the 4870 and the 4870x2 will probably be unbeatable by nvidias current cards....maybe the 9900s might stand a chance though
@keith...ati cards may perform better in 3dmark but also check out the gaming benchmarks...yes the 9800gx2 outperforms it in all games but not but a huge margin

[nvidia]

@pk chester:
Dont underestimate ATi cards. They are the best cards available in the market(considering the price performance ratio).
The 3870X2 is the best card that you can buy right now. The others are way too expensive for the kind of performance that they offer.
And FYI, the 3870X2 doesnt have the proper drivers right now afaik. And if they get the right drivers then it will be awesome. Just wait and watch and during that time, stop making some stupid, ignorant comments about ATI.
And the 3870X2 runs at ~60C max under load which means that you can OC a lot to get more out of it.

BTW, my user name has nothing to do with this post

[Hrithan2020]

@nvidia

AFAIK most of the 3870x2 driver problems are solved.Only the quad-crossfire option needs to be implemented well.It really comes to me as a surprise to hear that 3870x2 runs so cool.Reviews indicated quite the opposite.(Is it with stock coolers?)

Man,4870 beating 9800gx2(by 25 %) seems too good to be true.More than performance jump(for 4870x2)?.Lets see.Would be very nice if it comes true.
Maybe when playing games,the difference may be 15% or so,but still very very good.Would serve Nvidia right for resting on their laurels,if they cant come up with a v.good card.

AMD,please please give us a good dual core processor.

[saqib_khan]

Let me also say something.
The minus point of ATI cards is the availibility at my place.
U have to go for searching & searching for ATI cards.
Wherever i go they will recommend me to purchase a NVIDIA card.lol.
I don't know what's so special with NVIDIA card.

Also, the ATI 780 G chipset is still not available at my place!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No motherboard is available now, which has 780 G chipst, isn't that weired or call it amazing.

So, i m simply waiting for that mobo.

So, does anybody know, what's wrong with ATI???