what to buy PS3 or xbox 360

[thepirateboy]

hi guys...so after some really hard savings m having enough to buy a ps3 or xbox 360 but m really confused...should i buy xbox if yes then which one core or premium or should i go for ps3...help in deciding folks

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by thepirateboy

hi guys...so after some really hard savings m having enough to buy a ps3 or xbox 360 but m really confused...should i buy xbox if yes then which one core or premium or should i go for ps3...help in deciding folks

PS3, because it has an extremely advanced hardware compared to the Xbox. You can even install most of the available OSes in it, which is a feature that the Xbox lacks.

Xbox has a hardware thats simple enough to emulate in a processor like Q6600 in the near future.

But PS3 hardware is insane. Go for the PS3, and install an OS(like ubuntu) in it. Then it can even play PC games like GTA(through wine), Urban Terror, Counter Strike: Source(through wine), etc and when an Xbox 360 emulator is released, you can run it within the OS that you installed in the PS3.

PS3 is the most future proof of the two.

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

But PS3 hardware is insane. Go for the PS3, and install an OS(like ubuntu) in it. Then it can even play PC games like GTA(through wine), Urban Terror, Counter Strike: Source(through wine), etc and when an Xbox 360 emulator is released, you can run it within the OS that you installed in the PS3.

No man, there's no access to the graphics core in the PS3 via alternate OS. You can only run basic no 3D accelerated stuff. So, no 3D games can be run on linux in PS3

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus

No man, there's no access to the graphics core in the PS3 via alternate OS. You can only run basic no 3D accelerated stuff. So, no 3D games can be run on linux in PS3

any workarounds ?

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

any workarounds ?

Not yet. Because all the interaction between the OS and the PS3 hardware goes through something called hypervisor which stops access to the PS3 RSX. There has been lot of people signing a petition asking Sony to open up the RSX but then Sony has genuine reasons to block access to the same. Please do a bit of googling to find out more info.

[ctrl_alt_del]

@MetalHeadGautam: What the hell are you talking about?

Care to back up those statements with any solid facts?

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by ctrl_alt_del

@MetalHeadGautam: What the hell are you talking about?
Care to back up those statements with any solid facts?

Chill.. It was a misunderstanding.. I guess he knows the difference now..

[ctrl_alt_del]

Dude, those are pretty heavy claims that he was making. You don't go around spouting facts like that if you are not sure about the validity of them. That too in a thread where some one is asking your guidance to base his near 20k investment on! There is got to be some accountability if you ask me.

Sheesh!

[aku]

@Cyrus_the_virus, hey man can ya pls post some links about how foreign os'es work on the ps3 architecture?
When you can install the os, why can't ya utilize the hardware resources??? is it due to lack of drivers?
Seems quite interesting...

[naveen_reloaded]

go for ps3 here is why ( this is my p.s view)

1.) hardwarevice its very future proof
2.) blu ray player...
3.)extreme support for video files like avi, divx, mpeg4 etc..
4.)replaces regular DVD player in many way and even supports blu ray profile 1.1 ( if my knowledge is right ) .. so u dont need to invest in a separate bluray player
5.)support for OS installation.. which virtually replaces ur pc.. coz in future there will be more homebrew softies, and workarounds...

[ctrl_alt_del]

I agree with only 1 and 2. Rest all is not that important or can be done by your PC already, sometimes, even better.

[nish_higher]

figure it out yourself-
1.go to planet m or music world or any other place with both consoles
2.see gaming titles-especially the future ones for PS3 and xbox too (coz hardware wise both can display games gloriously irrespective of ps3's capabilities)
3.if its just gaming-choose with just the above criteria
4.if u r crazy abt getting all the PC kinda feeling with a console like installing linux,etc-don't hesitate to get a PS3

5.both consoles can play movies in xvid formats , PS3 has a Blu ray advantage,Xbox has DVD only (forget HD-DVD)

[desiibond]

+1 for PS3. It has finally made some ground and some good gaming titles are coming out. No looking back. Moreover it comes with bluray player (standalone player costs around 250$). On the other hand, Microsoft has HD-DVD, which has dug it's own grave and has become history.

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by akuCRACKER

@Cyrus_the_virus, hey man can ya pls post some links about how foreign os'es work on the ps3 architecture?
When you can install the os, why can't ya utilize the hardware resources??? is it due to lack of drivers?
Seems quite interesting...

Installing Yellow Dog Linux on the PS3
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HELIO...ns-55924.shtml

Installing Ubuntu 7.10 on PS3
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubunt...S3-73272.shtml

Petition to Enable Sony PS3's RSX under Linux

Linux users have launched and spread an online petition for Sony to allow access to the PS3's Nvidia-sourced GPU to the Linux operating systems. Sony has made an option in the PS3's XMB(XrossMediaBar, the user interface) menu for installing other operating systems, including Linux.

However, it has currently implemented a hypervisor that restricts access to the RSX in order to block individuals from creating "homebrew" playable content for PS3s that access sophisticated rendering and physics libraries available only to licensors. Among the distributions running on the playstation, there are Ubuntu, Fedora Core 5, Gentoo, Debian and Yellow Dog. Sony has also added the possibility for firmware updates to be downloaded and run on the PlayStation 3.

More PS3 resources:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...ategory.id=ps3
http://www.ps3forums.com/
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums...d_id=909102863
http://www.ps3-hacks.com/

[krazzy]

One more vote for PS3 from me. Its a complete entertainment centre. You can play PS3 and some PS2 games on it, you can play blu-ray and DVD movies on it, music and even install linux on it. Plus it also has a web browser and wi-fi and has card reader and USB slots. Also earlier it was a bit behind in game performance compared to 360, but in all the newer titles their performance is absolutely the same. Its the best buy. The fact that its an excellent blu-ray player alone makes up for its price.

[Pathik]

IMO Go for the Xbox 360. More Titles FTW!!
And yea If you want a Blu Ray player then go for the PS3.

[naveen_reloaded]

Originally Posted by ctrl_alt_del

I agree with only 1 and 2. Rest all is not that important or can be done by your PC already, sometimes, even better.

yeah but i think he asked of which one is better... thats why i said those things..

[nish_higher]

now let me tell you that PS3's hardware does not signify that it will be future proof (except blu ray player) - it depends more on number of games and released- Xbox is getting more than 50 titles this year.it also depends on launch of next Xbox (bcoz sony will have to launch PS4) .. a similar Proof is PS2's still existence with obsolete hardware
Xbox's HD-DVD was never going to have games,that is all clear-it was stated on the launch that Xbox will always use DVD 9s.

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

I'd say go for the Xbox 360 . More Titles available , much more titles available here in India .

here in lko , Landmark(Tata's Retail Chain) stocks both PS3 n X360 . but it has like 9 PS3 games on stock and 50+ Xbox 360 games on stock .

Xbox has the best online game service right now . Xbox Live pwnz everything right now.

Also , anyone saying that the PS3 is more advanced than the Xbox 360 , eat your words .

The CEll processor is optimized for "streaming Floating-point" calculations , which make up barely 5% of all the operations , whereas the majority are load, store, integer, branch, etc . PS3’s CPU is optimized for streaming floating-point, with 87.5% of its cores good for streaming floating-point and nothing else

So this makes the cell well suited for video playback and networked waveform analysis .

So for game programmers , the Xbox's Optimized , Unified Shader Architecture GPU is much better.

Unified Shader Architecture means that a Shader can be used either as a Vertex Shader or a Pixel Shader depending on the need . Whereas the PS3 has a fixed number of Vertex and Pixel Shaders .

Just see the PS3 vs Xbox 360 Graphics Comparison conducted by Gamespot and See for Yourself which is better .

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6171831/index.html

Comparison:
SpiderMan 3:


Virtua Tennis 3: Notice the net

[Cyrus_the_virus]

@Zeeshan, that's the most lamest comparison I've ever seen! What happened? you couldn't post any high end games which show the ps3 is better? lol...

[naveen_reloaded]

note : this is not a reply to anybodies prev post.. this is just wht i found...
enjoy..

The XBOX TOPPING 1TERAFLOP AND THE PS3 TOPPING A WHOPPING 2 TERAFLOPS, NOW THAT IS INEED POWER TO BE SPOKEN OF. PS3 ineed more powerful and capable nearly 2wice the rice!

Don't Believe me check this out : http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-S...features_image

[nish_higher]

^ see the image u posted.xbox is more clearer and bright while that PS3 image is looking dull
and those are different places-post something thats exactly same to compare both

[Ethan_Hunt]

If I were asked the same question with the adequate amount of money I would definetly go for a PS3.Hands down.With so many cases of Xbox 360 having RRoD's in such a short amount of time within it's purchase is not something which I want to risk with my hard earned money.This,if you ask me,is a major gripe.With such high hardware failure rate I would relatively require a fairly reliable console.Barring that,I'd say many of the 360 games usually make it to PC albeit with some delay but yeah fair enough I get to play them at the end of the day is what matters to me.Whereas,we know how stringent Sony is with it's oh-so exclusive titles list & that which comes from first party Sony developers.That is something which I can't afford to miss out on.

For those who say games titles aren't shaping up for Sony then better dig your heads deeper into google & you'll get a host of title line up which we have for PS3 this year.The titles are slowly making their way into Mumbai markets & we have shops like Alfa which provide a huge range of PS3 titles now.Their rates are a bit of concern though as the last I checked nothing was below 2.4k.Not sure how it is now.

Blu-Ray is an advantage.But let's face it how many are actually going to buy atleast 10 Blu-Ray movie titles.I'm sure I won't.Not that much atleast.One would do just for the heck of it but the pricing is way too much for a movie.A price drop would perhaps be wise.

PSN is a free service which you can avail.I know Xbox Live might be the best thing out there but PSN is definetly making it's mark too.What more could you ask for in a free service?

Many said that the PS3 had gone very costly at one point but now it's matching the Xbox 360 premium pricing which makes it an equally competitive console at the moment.

Backwards compatibility for 60 & 80GB versions.Need I say more?

These are some of the reasons compelling me to buy a PS3.Not that 360 is not a preference but with the RRoD situation being so widespread I would recommend a PS3 for now.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by ctrl_alt_del

@MetalHeadGautam: What the hell are you talking about?

Care to back up those statements with any solid facts?

Originally Posted by ctrl_alt_del

Dude, those are pretty heavy claims that he was making. You don't go around spouting facts like that if you are not sure about the validity of them. That too in a thread where some one is asking your guidance to base his near 20k investment on! There is got to be some accountability if you ask me.

Sheesh!

kk made a few mistakes. but the following still hold true:

theoritically its possible to emulate xbox on ps but not vice versa

ps3 natively allows and even unoffitially encourages install of 3rd party oses that it has approved(yellow dog linux)

ps3 is more future proof due to better hardware

bluray mostly will win, meaning ps3 is better choice than xb360

sry 4 inconvenience due 2 misunderstanding

[thepirateboy]

so till now PS3 is winning but i have only 20k and i asked sony world and they said the price of 60 Gigs model is 29k and that of 40 gigs is 25k(both are a bit expansive for me)...so i think i would be going for x-box...can you now tell me which model to go for like the Hdd in premium model is of any use in India or not and where is it better than the core model....thanks you all for your replies...really appreciate them

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus

@Zeeshan, that's the most lamest comparison I've ever seen! What happened? you couldn't post any high end games which show the ps3 is better? lol..

I Posted the pics from the Gamespot Graphics Comparison .

You have just posted Random screenshots from different games . while te Gamespot guys have carefully taken both pics at the same timing and place and angle to compare both of them .

Just see the last set of your screenshots , the first pic is of a day game whereas the second pic of a night game , how can this comparison be a correct comparison .

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

Xbox has a hardware thats simple enough to emulate in a processor like Q6600 in the near future.

But PS3 hardware is insane. Go for the PS3, and install an OS(like ubuntu) in it. Then it can even play PC games like GTA(through wine), Urban Terror, Counter Strike: Source(through wine), etc and when an Xbox 360 emulator is released, you can run it within the OS that you installed in the PS3.

PS3 is the most future proof of the two.

Dude ven the PS2 and Xbox console emulators currently are in a miserable state what makes you think that the Next-Gen consoles can be emulated .

You can't even play a PS2 game with >30FPS even on current hardware(C2D 8600GT) because of the difference in architectures of both the systems and the relative inefficiency of the emulators.

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

ps3 is more future proof due to better hardware

Dude care to support that .

Al those people talking bout Teraflops power , well that is only the Theoretical power .

Like i said the PS3 is optimized for "Streaming Floating Point " operations and roughly 0.5% of all gaming operations are Floating Point . That's for the CPU .

And as for the GPU , the Xbox 360 GPU is much better than the PS3's .

The Cell Processor which is touted as the Advantage of the PS3 is only the CPU , whereas the PS3's GPU , The Emotion Engine still uses the old conventional Fixed Vertex and Pixel Shaders.

The reatest Advantage , Developers can program for the Xbox 360 n then make the same game run on a PC with zero or minimal code changes due to the Inherent design of the Xbox 360 SDK .

Originally Posted by thepirateboy

so till now PS3 is winning but i have only 20k and i asked sony world and they said the price of 60 Gigs model is 29k and that of 40 gigs is 25k(both are a bit expansive for me)...so i think i would be going for x-box...can you now tell me which model to go for like the Hdd in premium model is of any use in India or not and where is it better than the core model....thanks you all for your replies...really appreciate them

I'd recommend you go for the Premium Model as You'll be able to Download the demos of the Latest games for free n play em if you have a HDD . Also , some games take quite a lot of space for saves(>50MB) so a HDD is the best bet .

[nish_higher]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan Quireshi

I'd recommend you go for the Premium Model as You'll be able to Download the demos of the Latest games for free n play em if you have a HDD . Also , some games take quite a lot of space for saves(>50MB) so a HDD is the best bet .

+1
adding these features to a core model would almost cost the same

[drgrudge]

Poll Added.

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

Poll Added.

I don't understand the point why users create threads when there are already several threads and polls open on the same issue where the things said are nothing but being repeated.

For example, another one with a poll which died:
http://thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74188

[thepirateboy]

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