Does it suck to be an Indian gamer?

[ico]

^ Those are some weird pings. From bangalore I get 30-50 pings to my friends place some blocks away. Normal is around 100. rarely 140+ and ones on 3G and photon show up 200+ upto 350.

Note: I have MTNL and my neighbour has Airtel.

Within the same ISP and city, pings are okay.

To a friend of mine in Delhi and using MTNL.

PING 59.178.178.178 (59.178.178.178): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 59.178.178.178: icmp_seq=0 ttl=62 time=17.259 ms
64 bytes from 59.178.178.178: icmp_seq=1 ttl=62 time=23.240 ms
64 bytes from 59.178.178.178: icmp_seq=2 ttl=62 time=17.953 ms
64 bytes from 59.178.178.178: icmp_seq=3 ttl=62 time=18.279 ms
64 bytes from 59.178.178.178: icmp_seq=4 ttl=62 time=17.070 ms

59.94.96.1 ~60ms
59.178.191.254 ~102ms


main problem is packet loss in between.

60ms~ is good. That's a BSNL IP btw. I guess, you are using BSNL too. (at the moment)

The second one is MTNL Delhi.

[Faun]

@ico I am getting ~115 for all the IPs except the Japan one. There the pings are ~300ms.

Can you traceroute its (61.125.195.20) ?

here's mine going all the way through london

Hop IP Address Host Name Response Time
=== ========== ========= =============
1 192.168.1.1 0 ms
2 117.195.64.1 18 ms
3 218.248.164.74 25 ms
4 218.248.255.30 48 ms
5 59.163.206.45 59.163.206.45.static.chennai.vsnl.net.in 47 ms
6 172.31.16.173 45 ms
7 180.87.39.25 if-0-100.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net 46 ms
8 80.231.130.5 if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net 301 ms
9 80.231.130.10 Vlan704.icore1.LDN-London.as6453.net 302 ms
10 195.219.83.22 Vlan522.icore1.LDN-London.as6453.net 198 ms
11 129.250.5.40 ae-4.r23.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net 188 ms
12 129.250.5.35 as-0.r22.osakjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net 385 ms
13 129.250.3.221 ae-5.r24.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net 383 ms
14 61.213.160.242 po-1.a14.tokyjp01.jp.ra.gin.ntt.net 315 ms
15 61.213.161.6 xe-1-2.a14.tokyjp01.jp.ra.gin.ntt.net 313 ms
16 202.224.32.81 tkybi1.asahi-net.or.jp 318 ms
17 202.224.33.140 fnbnirb.asahi-net.or.jp 324 ms
18 203.189.61.3 fnbnif7.asahi-net.or.jp 330 ms
19 61.125.195.20 i195020.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp 331 ms
Trace complete

[ico]

Can you traceroute its (61.125.195.20) ?

traceroute to 61.125.195.20 (61.125.195.20), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 2.915 ms 1.410 ms 2.572 ms
2 triband-del-59.178.191.254.bol.net.in (59.178.191.254) 13.699 ms 13.653 ms 14.473 ms
3 triband-del-59.179.0.59.bol.net.in (59.179.0.59) 33.878 ms 14.391 ms 13.369 ms
4 125.19.8.161 (125.19.8.161) 14.463 ms 13.360 ms 13.220 ms
5 182.79.255.14 (182.79.255.14) 101.066 ms 108.780 ms 99.018 ms
6 129.250.12.229 (129.250.12.229) 146.907 ms 145.957 ms 146.713 ms
7 ae-2.r20.sngpsi02.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.142) 135.778 ms
ae-0.r02.sngpsi02.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.248) 151.004 ms
ae-2.r20.sngpsi02.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.142) 135.018 ms
8 as-1.r22.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.20) 188.326 ms
p64-6-1-2.r25.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.22) 204.221 ms
as-1.r22.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.20) 188.881 ms
9 po-2.a14.tokyjp01.jp.ra.gin.ntt.net (203.105.72.150) 196.142 ms
ae-3.r25.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.157) 189.008 ms
po-2.a14.tokyjp01.jp.ra.gin.ntt.net (203.105.72.150) 197.600 ms
10 po-2.a14.tokyjp01.jp.ra.gin.ntt.net (203.105.72.150) 196.679 ms
xe-1-2.a14.tokyjp01.jp.ra.gin.ntt.net (61.213.161.6) 185.026 ms *
11 tkybi1.asahi-net.or.jp (202.224.32.81) 195.536 ms
xe-1-2.a14.tokyjp01.jp.ra.gin.ntt.net (61.213.161.6) 185.018 ms
tkybi1.asahi-net.or.jp (202.224.32.81) 185.254 ms
12 tkybi1.asahi-net.or.jp (202.224.32.81) 185.741 ms
fnbnirb.asahi-net.or.jp (202.224.33.140) 189.165 ms
tkybi1.asahi-net.or.jp (202.224.32.81) 184.514 ms
13 fnbnif7.asahi-net.or.jp (203.189.61.3) 191.491 ms
fnbnirb.asahi-net.or.jp (202.224.33.140) 204.163 ms
fnbnif7.asahi-net.or.jp (203.189.61.3) 189.856 ms
14 fnbnif7.asahi-net.or.jp (203.189.61.3) 190.326 ms
i195020.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp (61.125.195.20) 188.573 ms
fnbnif7.asahi-net.or.jp (203.189.61.3) 189.885 ms

[Faun]

60ms~ is good. That's a BSNL IP btw. I guess, you are using BSNL too. (at the moment)

The second one is MTNL Delhi.

Yeah, BSNL 750UL

Previously pings were hovering around 253ms to google but right now ~105ms

[tkin]

Try pinging to 59.94.96.1 and 59.178.191.254.

I expect Airtel in South India to be very good for pings to other countries. Over here, it's crap.

For me intra city pings look ok'ish for BSNL, that is in India pings are ok, in speedtest.net I get around 80ms ping to indian servers, but when pinging abroad it sucks big time.



When I traced japan ip it also went through london and giving ~500ms latency.

BSNL Home FN500, from old ip structure(59.xx.xx.xx).

[vamsi_krishna]

I am getting a ping of ~35ms for google

pinging the same IPs that tkin did. I am living in tirupati, btw.

[tkin]

Yeah, BSNL 750UL

Previously pings were hovering around 253ms to google but right now ~105ms

Pings to google are around 55ms for me.

[Soumik99]

how do i measure pings to a certain website?

[vamsi_krishna]

^
in command prompt, enter,

ping <website address>

[Soumik99]

^
in command prompt, enter,

ping <website address>

okay. .. thank u.

[theserpent]

Yes it sucks,
In my City Mangalore all the cybers Have only players Playing CS & dota.And few ppl with gta san.Here,If you play any other game either they call you a kid or a noob.They Regard CS & dota THE WORLDS Best and Unbeatable game.I wish it changes in this part,And they start playin Some other lan game.
2)In My city,You dont get most of the games.
3)Maybe only 1000s Of people play games other than san,vc,fifa,cs,war3

[sukant]

If you talk about gaming at professional levels it really is a bad scene out there , these days professional tournaments are mainly held for Dota , CS 1.6 , Fifa and NFS series.

Of this games i follow cs 1.6 circuit largely because even i play a lot but in current WCG '11 India qualifiers one of the top teams in India did not participate at all because there was not a very big point winning it because the winner would not be sponsored to represent India and would have to pay out of their pocket to go to main draw and play.
For playing professionally you need to make sure your practise like for more than half a day and that too without any tension which is not possible as there are no sponsors no real income in gaming.
Unless this scene changes we wont have any improvement.

Digit as a magazine is read by many people out there so regular articles in such tech magazines may also help in bringing about awareness.

[masterkd]

My connection is BSNL(750UL - 512kbps)


Pinging Digit – Thinkdigit Technology Guides | Technology News Reviews |Free Downloads | Video | Tech Support Forums Online in India [122.248.250.207] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=52
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=93ms TTL=52
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=52
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 122.248.250.207:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 93ms, Maximum = 95ms, Average = 94ms

Pinging Google [74.125.236.84] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 74.125.236.84: bytes=32 time=64ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.236.84: bytes=32 time=61ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.236.84: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.236.84: bytes=32 time=61ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 74.125.236.84:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 61ms, Maximum = 64ms, Average = 62ms

Pinging store.steampowered.com [63.228.223.104] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=298ms TTL=57
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=298ms TTL=57
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=296ms TTL=57
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=296ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 63.228.223.104:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 296ms, Maximum = 298ms, Average = 297ms

[prudhivisekhar]

My Connection is Beam (2-10)mbps. 10 mbps limit upto 30gb download. Degrades to 2gb after 30gb limit.

C:\Users\prudhivi>ping 122.248.250.207

Pinging 122.248.250.207 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=50
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=50
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=50
Reply from 122.248.250.207: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=50

Ping statistics for 122.248.250.207:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 50ms, Maximum = 51ms, Average = 50ms


C:\Users\prudhivi>ping Google

Pinging Google [74.125.236.49] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 74.125.236.49: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=55
Reply from 74.125.236.49: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=55
Reply from 74.125.236.49: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=55
Reply from 74.125.236.49: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 74.125.236.49:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 27ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 27ms

C:\Users\prudhivi>ping store.steampowered.com

Pinging store.steampowered.com [63.228.223.104] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=258ms TTL=48
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=258ms TTL=48
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=258ms TTL=48
Reply from 63.228.223.104: bytes=32 time=258ms TTL=48

Ping statistics for 63.228.223.104:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 258ms, Maximum = 258ms, Average = 258ms

[CommanderShawnzer]

oh hell yes, it does suck to be an indian gamer

1.games are too expensive in terms of console games(which cost 3500 bucks for a new game)
2.pc games come cheap (999rs for a new game) but nobody buys legit games courtesy of those pirate whores
3.the ISP's cheat us in terms of bandwith(ahem, my 3mbps connection works at 350 kbps average tho it downloads 1 gb files in 1 hour)
4.no actual support/repairing for consoles(they promise u to get a shiny new ps3 for a dead under-warranty ps3 but u never end up getting one)
5.people expect games to come for half the price of cheap mobile games and only play CS,NFS and GTA
6.people ridicule gaming saying gaming is for kids. play cricket.beta doctor engineer bano.wtf??

[ruhi091]

I think this is an very interesting question.. being an gamer in India you realize that most of time the experience level is very low as it should be better.. it has to improve!!

[Sirakri]

Its always good for me, regarding the pings, used BSNL 2799 Plan until last month and using Reliance Freedom 999 plan right now.

I'm not buying any more games for my xbox360, just those kinect games now and then, prices just suck here.

[Anorion]

hmm... dont think its a technical prolem at all, there are ways to go around this thing
Its our prolem only, we dont play games seriously after college, there is no peer pressure to play games here, like there is peer pressure to listen to a particular song or watch a movie
Ive started playing some games with groups of friends, but this invariably died down within 2-4 months, nothing like the way some digital gaming scenes growing consistently for years

[theserpent]

My friend introduced me to a new cafe, it has a gaming mouse,keyboard,a good looking Cpu case with led lights, and a nice monitor..seeing all that i was impressed.sat on the pc..and i was i shocked....there was only Cs 1.6 and warcraft in it . Why cant they move to other games?? in india

[SunnyGamingHD2]

Alright lets face it, it sucks to be Indian gamer especially multiplayer because broadband in India sucks,the speeds are terrible,and plans too sucks,and worst of all we got our a****** kicked out of servers due to high pings.

so Broadband =

[Sujeet]

Doenst matter if it sucks here or not. Will keep playin.forevaer and ever..

[arko1983]

ya it suks here.I mainly play strategy games like supreme commander 2,company of heroes(mainly this),c&c 3,4,etc.I own game in steam for which i have to plead my elder brother to buy cause i dont have a credit card.in many games they kik me out of lobby saying ur ping suks.but it seems i hardly lag any games under 450 ping,(i am using bsnl 512 kbps connection)

[Reaper_vivek]

Indian Gaming Scenario has developed significantly in the past few years, mostly for the easy availability and affordable prices of proper hardware..Gaming isn't confined to Online Gaming, PC gaming as the number of consoles sold in India has been on a rise.

Piracy :
*Legit* availability of games is still an issue, though flipkart and nextworld have made it very easy and affordable for us to buy..As Vamsi said earlier, lack of information among potential gamers and the new gamers is a major cause for piracy..
The Price on most of the games isn't justified as we are just paying the Indian equivalent to the US cost, eg Steam and console games..I love the fact that PC games are priced as low as Rs300 in India and almost all games are priced below Rs1000...I used to indulge in extensive *downloading* of games earlier as I was unaware of the costs of legit games..I have now decided to play only those games which I can afford(bought 5 games recently ) and not download the games off torrent sites or the likes...I am in a fb group of 250 gamers(we play COD mostly) and off those only 20 and less have ever bought original games and only 4 or 5 have bought more than 5 games legally...Mind you that most of the members belong to affluent families and can easily afford 2-3 games a month...They don't because there is a cheaper alternative and there isn't a difference between the 2 versions, sans the MP part...

Console owners are continuously searching for ways to jailbreak, so that they can enjoy games at affordable prices...I feel for them, Rs2500 each for almost all games on an X360 or a PS3, Poor chaps

Lack of awareness and *that feeling* of doing something illegal and getting away with it are the 2 main causes of Piracy in our country....Having said that there is a growing Gaming population who are fighting against piracy, with their own li'l steps, thanks to places like tdf, erodov and techenclave... The fact that we are discussing this topic will definitely help most of the tdf members to be more aware of the Indian gaming scene and a li'l more responsible on their part...

A gamestop in every city isn't a feasible idea..This falls under the commercial aspect of gaming which is to an extent controlled by the government..They don't build proper roads in cities..It would be a shame to imagine they doing something for a *useless* activity like gaming...

Competitive Gaming and Management:
Almost all of the gamers, I know of, think of gaming as a leisure activity..The life span of a clan isn't much right now..Leaving a few players of top clans(ft5, EvoX, ATE, etc) almost all stop playing once they graduate or get a job..No one is interested in pursuing gaming extensively as a career..I am a member of a COD4 clan and have been to 2 editions of BYOC with my team..
BYOC, which is held twice every year, is a special tournament..3 days of Non-stop gaming, though the best part is meeting up with hundreds of fellow gamers and connecting over the one thing we like...It's no Dreamhacks but it's still something..The management(Xtreme Gaming) has received a lot of negative criticism lately..I too was disappointed with their arrangements but they are still the only major organizers in the country..We have new tournaments like Game Kshetra, IGC etc...The management needs to step up and innovate.

Online Gaming :
I am a victim of ISP harassment and there are millions along with me..The government thinks that it is sufficient to just BE CONNECTED to the internet..If only they knew that the definition of *Being Connected* has changed in the past 5 years..Earlier people would use the Internet only for mails and searches..Now it's all about bandwidth..with over lakhs of videos being added on the internet daily, we need something more than a "2mbps Broadband Plan"..the ISPs have switched from Dial-Up to Broadband but they are leagues behind the speed with which bandwidth usage is increasing...

I use BSNL's 750UL plan, earlier I would get a ping of 50-70ms on all Indian servers but since 2 weeks I get pings in the range of 300-400...I have been to the exchange a few times and called them almost everyday since then, but they didn't do ****..Even my bandwidth hasn't been doubled for the first 6GB as per the new plans..in my locality, only BSNL operates the Broadband system...Airtel which is abundantly available just 3kms from my home says "Sorry, We don't have laid the lines in your area"...Leaving aside my personal bad luck, the ISPs have failed to keep up with the world..The sad buffering in videos, pathetic downloading speeds and limited plans have all collaborated in keeping the Online gaming scene in chains and continue to halt the progress..The pings which a normal user gets in Indian servers is average to good. But we can't play in offshore servers as the ping goes for a toss..When we play against Sri lankan clans/ Singapore clans the ping ranges between 250-300 which is pathetic BUT think about the popular servers which are based in Europe, UK and US...Until we get good pings all over the world the Indian Gaming community will just expand in our own little bubble and players won't get the opportunity to socialize or play with our offshore counterparts...

Video gaming isn't encouraged by our parents..I haven't met a single person who claims that his/her parents understand the need of video games...India is a developing country and it is the case with all industries in India..Gaming is also a developing hobby/career/Activity..It will definitely improv for the better but, unless the ISPs, the distributors work hard and dramatically change their pace, it will take a lot of time...
Gaming can be highly addictive, DOTA, SKYRIM, etc, and thus it needs to be monitored as well..I have friends who play DOTA for 18-25hours at a stretch..one of my friend even left his job to get better at DOTA...But as with everything else there is a bad side to Gaming...

Gaming isn't something which needs approval of others or their acknowledgement, to indulge in..just like many don't approve of adventure sports or other *unpopular* activities...But it shouldn't be ignored or left to sustain on its own..We need support from all sides, mostly from the current lot of gamers..If the people who are passionate about gaming, right now, continue to do so in the future, we might see an IMPROVED version of Indian Gaming Scene....
Hoping for the best...and fvck you BSNL :X

[rohit26]

actualy gaming in india is good as the prices of pc games are very low in india compared to that in us or uk.i got battlefield 3 for rs 1299 but in other countries it costs arnd $60 which is 3000rs so it doesnt suck to be an indian gamer.its just that indians think its not worth to spend even 1000rs on a gud game

[rohit26]

and Isp are not cheating anyone wen they say 1mbps connection it means u wil get 100kB download speed.there is diffrence between kbps and KBps
1kB=8kb.

[pkkumarcool]

they are cheating in case of pings which is most imp factor...

[RaMpAgEr^GodZ]

Well i guess times r changing. Sponsers r coming 2 india n getting clans under their name Just its Slow as internet penetration is quite less here. Example the top clan of dota the roccat.rog clan of india has been sponsored by roccat(ya the top manufacturer of professional gaming hardware).So just times r steady Waiting n patience is the way to go N dont forget the gaming scene also on rise (byoc,wtf-events) n events alike.

[Confused_user]

Yes it sucks. First, there is on reliable broadband, second, there are hardly any game stores. And above all, most people (even my batchmates) tend to think gaming is for kids.

Currently I'm fighting with my dad to get a gtx 560.... And guess what happened when I asked the local shopkeeper for it... He never even heard about it!

[pranavgautam67]

Am i The Only one Who Dont Think so ?
(I Dont Think There Is Any Problem With Online PLaying)
I Have That normal 512kbps Plan !!!
And It Is Okay For Me, Not So Good , but Its Fine !!
I Can Play Multiplayer Easily !!
I Play Cod Black Ops Multiplayer So Easily !!

[Morpheus]

I occasionally come here to read this forum but today after reading this thread, I had to put down my rant too here in this thread. As few others said that PC gaming is expensive, I have to disagree because there is not much you can do about it. You have to buy the hardware to run the games, no other way. And talking about games, they are pretty cheap than what it costs in US. Flipkart offers games for even cheaper than Steam or Origin. Game developers invest a lot into making a game so our excuse of being comparatively poor than western countries where games are made or game companies already making enough money doesn't makes piracy right. I agree that not everyone is able to buy games with price tag of INR 700-2000 so the only way to get more sales in India is to reduce the price even further below. Although, I must admit that even I resort to pirating games sometimes when I get short on money but I buy them later on.

Taking about the shitty infrastructure of internet in India, this is the worst part that pisses me off. Playing online, downloading patches and DLCs or hell, even streaming yt irritates the hell out of me. Even after paying 2-3k a month to the ISP, all we get is FUP and nightmarish latency.