China+Russia+India+France etc vs USA+UK+Australia+Canada+etc

mayanks_098 · 01-06-2008, 01:15 AM

So thats my weird question.
Lets face a hypothetical situation. There is a war between these two sides.
One is:
Russia+China+India+France+ all other natural(likely) allies

Other is:
USA+UK+Australia+Canada + all other natural/likely allies

Who do you think is gonna win?
You think US has the might to take on (virtaully) thw hole world in Russia-China-India-France etc?
Or you think these countries have already developed enough strategically capable of beating US in the battle of US vs ANY of the two from (RUSS-China-Ind)?
With and without nukes?
Which has the max firepower.
Give reason to support your views.

ofcourse you may come up with your own reasons for the grouping of the countries if you think mine was not appropiate,but i think its gonna be more or less the same,or Aus might switch from US to Russ-Sino-Ind side.

And most importantly,im not a war supporter.may the deadly weapons we make are never used.but i was just curious

BTW my vote goes to side with Russ+China+Ind.
Though there will be widespread destruction no doubt,but this side will be able to do more damage. i think.(Option 3 seems very relevant)
because.to counter US's nukes(if it arises) can be done with help of Russia.
And manpower,well India and Chinese forces have enough of it.

My views may be different than yours,because:
im not an expert so i might miss on something.
im not you,so say yourself politely,if interested

dheeraj_kumar · 01-06-2008, 04:31 PM

Command and Conquer - Generals, and Red Alert 2(Skirmish). Both of these games revolve around these two factions.

good choice!

**ico** · 01-06-2008, 04:37 PM

Well, Russia has the world's largest Nuclear Arsenal, even larger than USA's.......

dreamcatcher · 01-06-2008, 04:41 PM

What is UK doing in there??Uk will start off an ally for the US and then backstab US itslef..and sure guys..theres a world war 3 coming u..with crude oil prices soaring high everyone will want their share of supremacy...USA has huge oil reserves which they are not utilizing..instead they targeded iraq and destroyed all the oil firms...the only motive is to dry u oil for the future so that they get a monopoly in the sector in the coming years..hopefully...the world would rise to it..but the aftermath of the rise may be a war..

kumarmohit · 01-06-2008, 04:56 PM

The thing here is you just can not say becuase an actual war in never fought with the number of guns and bombs and people you have. Its a lot about the propaganda, how you impact people of the place where the war goes on and even ppl back home. Can you keep on production to carry on war effort?

And above all, the degree of experience you have in strategic warfare, maintenance of long and stretched supply lines.

In the above groups, no country except Russia (The French lost in WW2 unless the Brits and Americans saved their sorry selves) to a certain extent has exp. in strategic warfare. Barring Russia and PRC, most of the other countries are dependent on either Russia or PRC or the countries in other group for their military hardware.

On the other side, most of the countries in the USA UK grp are self reliant on military hardware. Plus United States has enough oil in its country and Canada that even Gulf supplies breakdown totally they can wage the war for a long time. Above all almost all the countries in the group have a lot of exp in strategic warfare that they gained in the two WWs.

While the second grp definitely has a high hand, it would be extremely difficult to say who wins.

Xccentricity · 01-06-2008, 05:42 PM

Anyone here played Rise Of Nations?

Side 1 with Russ,Sino,Ind will definately beat Side 2, And only Pakistan and North Korea (Rogue nations) depends on PRC for military equipment, PRC itself heavily depends on Russia for military equipment.

praka123 · 01-06-2008, 05:53 PM

another world war -who will suffer?mother earth may get eliminated

krates · 01-06-2008, 06:27 PM

nobody will win everybody will die !!!

Faun · 01-06-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by praka123

another world war -who will suffer?mother earth may get eliminated

mother earth will resurrect again

She ain't no n00b, we the people are n00b

Btw Canada will not back USA.

uppalpankaj · 01-06-2008, 09:25 PM

Can't say anything which side will win but mankind will definitely lose....

**MetalheadGautham** · 01-06-2008, 09:29 PM

am I the only guy who chose the last option ?

Faun · 01-06-2008, 09:58 PM

^^u r hallucinating

**MetalheadGautham** · 01-06-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by T159

^^u r hallucinating

I was the first guy who did.

Faun · 01-06-2008, 10:25 PM

^^yeah thats wat am sayin

hellgate · 02-06-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kumarmohit

On the other side, most of the countries in the USA UK grp are self reliant on military hardware.Above all almost all the countries in the group have a lot of exp in strategic warfare that they gained in the two WWs.

so if they hav so much of xperience then wat do ya hafta say bout Vietnam War?

dreamcatcher · 02-06-2008, 01:33 AM

Now China can't be trusted, it wil surely backstab India and after Us had fallen will try to conquer the world by force..i don't see this happening..well yea..if in the War of the Nations..

.. eurasia all the way..

mayanks_098 · 02-06-2008, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kumarmohit

The thing here is you just can not say becuase an actual war in never fought with the number of guns and bombs and people you have. Its a lot about the propaganda, how you impact people of the place where the war goes on and even ppl back home. Can you keep on production to carry on war effort?

And above all, the degree of experience you have in strategic warfare, maintenance of long and stretched supply lines.

In the above groups, no country except Russia (The French lost in WW2 unless the Brits and Americans saved their sorry selves) to a certain extent has exp. in strategic warfare. Barring Russia and PRC, most of the other countries are dependent on either Russia or PRC or the countries in other group for their military hardware.

On the other side, most of the countries in the USA UK grp are self reliant on military hardware. Plus United States has enough oil in its country and Canada that even Gulf supplies breakdown totally they can wage the war for a long time. Above all almost all the countries in the group have a lot of exp in strategic warfare that they gained in the two WWs.

While the second grp definitely has a high hand, it would be extremely difficult to say who wins.

Dude,like someone said, expirience isnt the only thing that counts like you said about the ammunitions and all.
The expirience of WW2,though can be helpfull, but IMO is too obsolete to give an edge with todays war fare. US still lost Vietnam.
US airforce, well it is amazingly superior, but China+Russia combined can tackle it.Whats the opinion of other guys? And army,well, side 1 has enough of man power.
I think it will boil down to a navy.The faster side 1 can bring down the US's mighty navy, sooner it will win.But its going to be like hell given the might and strong wide spread presence of US navy.
Though,any war is a loss for mankind and human rights.

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Originally Posted by amd64_man2005

Now China can't be trusted, it wil surely backstab India and after Us had fallen will try to conquer the world by force..i don't see this happening..well yea..if in the War of the Nations..

.. eurasia all the way..

LOL
i am not sure they will even be capable of thinking it. Not because they cant beat India afresh, but, after beating US(if they could) they will have virtually way too less left to think of invading India. Beating this hypothetical side 1 wont be an easy job....

ax3 · 25-06-2008, 04:26 PM

so .... v all r gonna BLOWUP earth ..... with wars .......

bikdel · 25-06-2008, 04:48 PM

the grouping is very much a fasntasy hypothesis.....

the current war is againt terrorism ifyou ask me...

but for your question... Russian side will win.. why?
bigger country, US side cant attack so many fronts.. who said russia has less oil? it has much more oil than US .....

and siberian cold... it always helps russia to baffle its enemies..and china has the largest army and resources to create cheap yet hi-tech arsenals..... india has army, not much arsenal..... thats all i gotta say........

wheres germany?... yeah ww2 destroyed it but then again its better than france, etc...

but this is all waste.. we have UN now and situation is definitely better if not excellent than before... citizens have rights to rule out a war possibilty, human rights awareness is on the rise.... smaller wars may take place but WW3 possibility is ruled out....

praka123 · 25-06-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bikdel

but this is all waste.. we have UN now and situation is definitely better if not excellent than before... citizens have rights to rule out a war possibilty, human rights awareness is on the rise.... smaller wars may take place but WW3 possibility is ruled out....

leave middle east from your thoughts.they are going to be the reason for IIIrd world war if it ever happens

for obvious reasons like oil shortage ,islamism and more.count KSA(saudi wahhabism) for trigger.

**MetalheadGautham** · 25-06-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by praka123

leave middle east from your thoughts.they are going to be the reason for IIIrd world war if it ever happens

for obvious reasons like oil shortage ,islamism and more.count KSA(saudi wahhabism) for trigger.

dude leave islam out of this

The_Devil_Himself · 25-06-2008, 05:32 PM

ha, kids and their fantasies.

praka123 · 25-06-2008, 05:53 PM

islam and Islamism is different.read between lines I am NOT against Islam ,but against Islamism(read wahabbism,strong following of Islamic laws like shari-ath)

Rahim · 25-06-2008, 06:16 PM

Gone through the end-time prophecies in The Bible,anyone ?

As for the comments of bikdel, I cant stop smiling in sarcasm to your views and so much faith in The United Nations

You have Iraq on your face and yet you pretend The UN has any powers? Its all in the Preamble of The UN whcih is only implemented by wasting ink on the answer sheets in the exams. Its a farce in reality!!!
USA slapped every non-agreeing member of The UN and went ahead with its illegal invasion of Iraq and you still think people have Human Rights, and UN is capable of stopping power-intoxicated nation like USA?

bikdel · 25-06-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by praka123

leave middle east from your thoughts.they are going to be the reason for IIIrd world war if it ever happens

for obvious reasons like oil shortage ,islamism and more.count KSA(saudi wahhabism) for trigger.

bold letters matter

mayanks_098 · 25-06-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rahimveron

Gone through the end-time prophecies in The Bible,anyone ?

As for the comments of bikdel, I cant stop smiling in sarcasm to your views and so much faith in The United Nations

You have Iraq on your face and yet you pretend The UN has any powers? Its all in the Preamble of The UN whcih is only implemented by wasting ink on the answer sheets in the exams. Its a farce in reality!!!
USA slapped every non-agreeing member of The UN and went ahead with its illegal invasion of Iraq and you still think people have Human Rights, and UN is capable of stopping power-intoxicated nation like USA?

exactly what i wanted to say after seeing that comment from bikdel.
UN is a failure when it comes to matters involving US.

FilledVoid · 26-06-2008, 02:28 AM

Either way everyone loses. War is no solution to anything. Of course there are times when its a last resort though.

karmanya · 27-06-2008, 11:01 AM

I don't see the merit of going to all out war. China and India togethor can ruin America in the blink of an eye. And I'm not bull shitting. Consider China's foreign reserves. China Has over 1 trillion american dollars. If it places those on the currency market, then america's economy goes bye-bye.
India will be needed to support china, lets face it china will be loosing a trillion dollars which will have serious impacts on its economy.

m-jeri · 27-06-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by karmanya

I don't see the merit of going to all out war. China and India togethor can ruin America in the blink of an eye. And I'm not bull shitting. Consider China's foreign reserves. China Has over 1 trillion american dollars. If it places those on the currency market, then america's economy goes bye-bye.
India will be needed to support china, lets face it china will be loosing a trillion dollars which will have serious impacts on its economy.

Well lets consider....

china did this.....ok...which country in the world would fight a far knowing that it would make them atleast half time weak....

what u said is doable..but no one in sense would ever think to do..so this could not be even considered....

and india supporting china???to overcome 1 trillion dollar......u do know that it would be about 42 trillion rupee right..last time i heard we are not so good in that money reserve area..we have a good amount..not for squander.....