Meddling the Middle Classes

[iMav]

Courts have allowed the reservation bill to pass! a draft that i decided to complete after watching the news today

Originally Posted by iMav

Reservation is back in talks and with it the pros and cons of Reservations. Politicians pushing for reservation and the opposition also not going against them, well its not their fault how can some one go against reservation when doing so results in votes. Who are we kidding here, Reservation directly translates into votes, who wouldn’t want to do that or want to go against it.

Now here’s the real reasons if one thinks about why reservations are needed – Political Mileage; Yes many will say that’s not the case, under-privileged also deserve education of high standards and reservation gives them that opportunity; the “below poverty line” cannot afford the education and therefore need reservation. Well guess what I agree with them but is reservation the only option – Hell NO!!!

Let’s see –

Why is there need of Reservation?

Because there are not enough seats available, the number of seats available for institutes like IIMs & IITs is as it is not sufficient for the current number of students who apply and the cut-off just keeps on rising year by year at the same time the hard work put in by the students, but due to the crunch in seats even those with 98% have absolutely no or little hope or getting into IIM-A, however if you are a member of the SC/ST Club then voila you are lucky my friend no worries you just might get into the institute – who cares what your ability is; that certificate of caste/tribe or merit I may say gets you that seat and deprives the one who has worked his ass for it.
The SC/ST certificate is now becoming the certificate of merit, so get yourself 1 it will definitely increase your chances by many folds and will reduce the hard work required by you to clear the paper.

Sorry, where were we, ya – The need for Reservation. Its pretty obvious that the need arises because of lack of seats and the other is that rationally the under-privileged don’t have enough monetary resources to prepare for such exams. Yes, that is true – an SC/ST does not have the resources but then again is the answer Reservation?

Lack of resources and less marks but they still stand a chance – Now is this fair to them or unfair to the 1 who has the resources and also more marks?

Its obvious who chooses what, the choice depends on the category you fall in. So what is the government doing? For 1 they are planning to increase the Quotas. What does this do u ask. Nothing much other than giving the chance to an under-privileged to get into an institute where he dreams but cant get into based on his own merit. So what’s wrong? Everything. Why? Because you are putting some 1 in between a group where every 1 has secured a place based on merit and their friends have been denied a place because there is some 1 having a certificate of “merit” of a different kind. The possible problems: Ability to co-operate; Ability to cope up; Ability to settle in.

Now all of the above has been discussed and said by a lot of people on various shows and interviews when we had the big ‘Rang De’ against reservations with medical students giving up syringes and picking up placards for a cause. People also said that government is playing vote bank politics by introducing Reservations, our politicians being true to themselves (that’s the only people who they are true to – themselves) said – No, its not vote bank politics.

It is vote bank politics and it has everything to do with the Middle Class and not the lower class. Let me explain why. Over the years the number of people who turn out to vote is less, it does increase but it is less. The metropolitans don’t make the government at the center. Bombay, Bangalore, Delhi, Calcutta, Gurgaon or other major cities don’t make the government that sits in Delhi. This government is made by the people in the smaller or now called regional states of India. We have seen how Mayavati, Modi, Karunanidhi and Amma influence the core of Indian politics. The middle class is not their vote bank of the people who vote for them, it is the same people for whom Reservation is being asked for and this is the only reason why the Middle Class is being treated the way it is.

Why cant the govt. start more colleges, more schools? More colleges, more seats, less reservation, everyone happy.

This simply baffles that even the courts have allowed this to pass, the govt. feels that bringing in quotas is much better than starting new colleges, making reservations is better than letting private corporate the freedom to run and start institutes. Making institutes will not generate buzz, it will not translate into votes and the middle class will only blame the govt. and then get back to their daily lives. So what the hell, why not do it and get ourselves the numbers to form the govt.

The reservations don’t affect the students currently in IITs, IIMs or AIIMs but will affect the next lot of students who are going to go to the institutes but these guys are busy preparing for their exams. Their parents are gonna tell them to study harder and get in rather than protest, the teachers give a damn, their job is teaching – who they teach is not their concern. The courts have done nothing. I feel agitated about this and can do nothing more than just write this.

I am ashamed of myself

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[ray|raven]

^We live in a sad and terrible time , my friend.

[slugger]

haven't they excluded the creamy layer from the reservation list?

anyway it is the creamy layer candidates who bag most of the OBC seats. the poor OBC are left standing in the sun no matter what

They should make amendments to exclude the creamy layer from the list of beneficiaries

IMHO, only then will the law hold any signficant meaning of uplifting the downtrodden

[iMav]

^^ the courts have urged the govt not to provide this for MPs and some other govt. servants

[Pathik]

F**k*n politicos do it just to get more votes.
This means hell for unreserved *Upper classes*.

[iMav]

reservation is almost 49.2 f*cking %

[slugger]

Originally Posted by iMav

^^ the courts have urged the govt not to provide this for MPs and some other govt. servants

what MPs and Govt servents!!!!

my classmates pop works in the Gulf [not blue-collar], earn truckloads of cash. yet when it comes to taking admission.. guess what certificate he furnishes

on top of it this guy has the gall to collect the cheque issued to him by the govt fom the college reimbursing his fees

[ray|raven]

Reservations will live as long as there are vote-bank politics in this country.

IMHO, we need a dictator for a certain period of time; will clear out the crap that our country's full of.

[kumarmohit]

Party's over people.

Time to move to United States or if you are like me, to the United Kingdom though I would move to Sweden too considering it is the country to host thepiratebay!

[Faun]

better go to iceland

[legolas]

I remember the day when I was waiting to take my course for college....
I was 295.4/300 and he was 192.8 He was standing behind me!!

[Faun]

^^things like this happens, cutoff is too low for others

[Pathik]

Bloody Arjun Singh
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/historic...n/63037-3.html

[abhinandh]

Originally Posted by rayraven

IMHO, we need a dictator for a certain period of time; will clear out the crap that our country's full of.

well said.i too feel the same.

i was studying until now and my dad told me the f***ing news and lost my mood....

damn those lame idiots... no political party has the courage to oppose it.

[m-jeri]

FCUK............we h ave to pay our ass through fees and they rubbing their hnads in glee getting everywhere free....god we all are feeling sorry tht we were born into a good family....

do u know tht the most reputed govt college in kerala CET tvm was supposed to be IIT last year...the review borad said go ahead but the college staff put forth a condn and local stud council...u know wat ther shld be reservations ther too....review board said piss off this is IIT not any govt college...they said no thanks we are goin back....

atleast reservations shld be kept out of places like this...these are places where merit is the only measure not caste....

[anand1]

No comment its better for not to comment.

[iMav]

guys guys relax, get urself the new certificate of merit -The OBC Certificate, look at the benefits: we wont have to study as much, more time see movies/porn/forums/friends, fees will be less

[gunda_26]

"Apartheid "regime of India.Better go to south Africa.

[slugger]

Well I just got to watch the telly now, it appears that the court has issued directives to leave the Creamy Layer out of the reservation benefits

the criteria of creamy layer is earning 2.5 lakhs pa - not a very difficult task for a freasher IMO

well it is obviously not an ideal world. but i guess by removing the creamy layer from the picture, you ensure that only the economically challenged people can claim benefits of reservation

in the menwhile the govt should work towards improving the educational infrastructure of the country. these things take time.

until that time reservation for the poor looks like an acceptable compromise


and for all those who fall in the General category

become a UT each sem. reservation or no reservation will not make any difference

[legolas]

Originally Posted by iMav

guys guys relax, get urself the new certificate of merit -The OBC Certificate, look at the benefits: we wont have to study as much, more time see movies/porn/forums/friends, fees will be less

weirdly makes sense. we don't know where we came from, we don't know where we are going to... f*ck as much as you can in the middle!

[praka123]

hmm...centre also going the taamil nadu way !give reservation upto 90%?

[legolas]

I don't know much reg. individual states... is TN one of the worst in this regard? I wouldn't be surprised though.

[kumarmohit]

I do not think that they are going to cross the 50% barrier. Human rights activists would go crazy and it would be an open flouting of the constitution!

[legolas]

^ ^ well, that makes me happy!

[infra_red_dude]

Why should reservations be there at all? Aren't we all human beings with our brainz in the same place? IMHO the govt. should give reservations to those people who haf kidneys in their skull for they are not that intelligent and hence require some slack in marks/work. For all those who haf their kidneys and brainz in the right place there should be no reservation!

Give incentives/reservations to the poor. Why should a student from the poor family be denied education juz coz he's unable to pay? Isn't it violation of right to freedom? A rich person producing an OBC cert. gets the best education for free. A poor student of the general category is working as a labourer only coz he was unable to study due to high fees. The same can be said about the reserved categories. We haf diff. % or reserv. for SC/ST/OBC. Why should a person from ST be denied education just coz quota is over? While an underdeserving SC candidate gets his seat? Clearly if at all there is reservation it should be there on the basis of economic status. There is no point in reservation. If the candidate is not fit for the course/work he should be shown the door, no matter whether he belongs to the General, upper caste, lower caste, sc/st/obc whatever! If you are not fit, fcuk off! But if you are fit and unable to get a seat due to high fees, then yes you should be given incentives...

Its high time we drag these bloody fscking SoB MF'ing politicians to the streets and frag them bigtime.. Urban Terror, anyone??!!!!

[iMav]

rakho reservation but 50 f*cking % obc/sc/st share 50% seats amongst themselves and then there are student with 90%+ who dont get admission coz there are so freaking many abv 90 itself, iit iim aiim fee hike is passed by 1 committee of the govt and then there is another committee of the same govt saying that fees are too hight they need reservation .... kya ch*tiya samajh rakha hai humko

[slugger]

no member from the other side i guess

getting very 1 sided

[ray|raven]

^Thats why its still in chit-chat

[slugger]

Originally Posted by rayraven

^Thats why its still in chit-chat

and in all likelyhood it will continue to remain here

...unless of course someone stands up and plays devil's advocate

[iMav]

what do u want from the other side .... that they dont have proper resources to study they dont have fees to pay for classes therefore they need less cut-offs and reservation

if they dont have resources doesnt mean that the ones who have them suffer, u want to put these dim wits in iims/iits then accommodate the others who worked their freaking a$$ off, we dont have seats for the deserving and u want the others to be given priority