MUMBAI controversy

[red_devil]

Guys what is your opinion about the latest controversy surrounding the claim made by Raj Thackerey about mumbai being for maharashtrians only.


i feel its B$ ... how can somebody make such claims ??


EDIT:

sorry for posting in the wrong section. i think it is more suited for the "Fight Club" section. so mods pls move this
sorry once again

[infra_red_dude]

I think this is bull$h1t and a big blow to the "unity and diversity" mantra of India. I condemn the act and would surely like to see Raj Thakrey behind bars.

When he says Amitabh hasn't done enuf for mumbai, I can understand. He has the money and power to bring about lotsa changes but why poor hawkers from other states? What will beating and assaulting then prove? Thats just being coward by the navnirman sena. Truely pathetic!

[shady_inc]

He has realised that gaining Maharashtrians support will be an easy claim to political fame.So he is playing this maharashtrians-only card.He says that all the jobs in Maharashtra are hijacked by North-indians and maharashtrians are left jobless.Like Hell, I say.!

[Pathik]

Raj Thackeray sucks. He doesn't have as much appeal as Bal Thackeray.
Khaali shaana ban ne ko speeches de raha hai.

[praka123]

next we can expect Vattal Nagraj &Co trying this card in Bangalore.sooner than what you expect!
Tamilians,beware of Bangalore!
Northies too!
what to say!nobody wants to feel their city going to the hands of hindi speakers

Yes,I am against these sons of soil slogans.

Chennai sets an example of How other state people following tamil and NOT Hindi!I bow to Chennaites

[din]

@praka123

The most funny thing I have seen is in Kerela - The Siva Sena has official unit here !!!! I think its near Trivandrum or so.

In Mumbai, they are using 'Manninte makkal' slogans to keep the mallus away, here we started units for them

[praka123]

^shiv sena is in Mattanchery area I suppose!.also it "aamchi mumbai" and in kannada "Mannina Maga "

Bombay from 1960's under that devil thackrey killed,looted forced off Malayalis and other south Indians !this sucks!

I sincerely hopes Banglore does not.

personally,I feel bombay should go as a different state(like NCR) and remaining MH with Pune as Capital serves these Marathis fine

worst,I heard this MH'ians claims on Belgaum,Karnataka,while Karnataka claims on our Kasaragode!wtf happening

[The_Devil_Himself]

Originally Posted by praka123

next we can expect Vattal Nagraj &Co trying this card in Bangalore.sooner than what you expect!
Tamilians,beware of Bangalore!
Northies too!
what to say!nobody wants to feel their city going to the hands of hindi speakers

Yes,I am against these sons of soil slogans.

Chennai sets an example of How other state people following tamil and NOT Hindi!I bow to Chennaites

Lol.hindi speakers rules.
prakash again?Why are you so scared of hindi speakers,did they pwn you real bad(just j\k).


mumbai is so overpopulated I dont know how people even breathe there.
But hey who is this raj thakrey to decide?These politicians suck bigtime,they will divide us on the basis of cast,religion,and now this,bloody suckers.

[praka123]

^in this case,Im not against Hindians.but,I want to say,dont force ur punjabi/Hindi culture on other states when ur there.learn to accustom with their culture.

Esp in Blore,a southern city,where kannada is least spoken while Hindi is getting gain due to northies.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by n6300

Guys what is your opinion about the latest controversy surrounding the claim made by Raj Thackerey about mumbai being for maharashtrians only.

To hell with him THIS IS INDIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Originally Posted by praka123

^in this case,Im not against Hindians.but,I want to say,dont force ur punjabi/Hindi culture on other states when ur there.learn to accustom with their culture.

Hindi is the easiest language in this world & our national langauge. Nobody is forcing it on anyone, if you wanna mingle in India you need to know hindi. So waht's wrong in teaching hindi

Hindi is getting gain due to northies.

Uncle, don't use such words here.....seriously We are indians & that's all which is true.

[praka123]

^..and Hindi is NOT our Language;use English better !it is a universal language and not limited to India.we dont want Hindi enforcement in South India.better keep it in north!/

[Rahim]

All this talk of forcing once language on others, here is my example. Born in Bengal and now 23 years on i cant even speak 5 lines of Bengali to be honest.
I speak Hindi while interacting with my Bangali freinds while they use Bengali. My freinds tease for this!!!!

[NIGHTMARE]

i hate this type politician.Raj wants to break our country into parts shame on him just hang him

[din]

I am not against any language. But I will mention an incident.

Happened 1 yr back when I was learing car driving. The instructor - a lady - was not good in English or Hindi, was teaching us. My turn over and my wife sat in the driver seat. when it reached their office, two north Indian ladies (also came for learning) sat on my seat. The first lady started talking to next thinking I/my wife/instructor do not know Hindi. she was like - people in kerala are not good etc etc. And she told the other lady that, she didn't like Kerala mainly because people in Kerala do not talk Hindi much. For example she says, she went to soms shops, they didn't reply in Hindi, she was explaining it like people in Kerala are doing some big crime by not speaking or replying in Hindi !!!

I listened to it pretending I do not know Hindi at all. After she finished talking (about 30 mins), I asked her - Kya thum Khatai ko jante ho ? (Khataison, a reputed handycraft shop in Cochin, their son is my friend) and I started speaking in Hindi (of course not fluent but not that bad lol). The lady answered and stopped talking fully !!! She didn't open her mouth till we reached the office again

What surprises me is - Why people in Kerala is supposed to learn and speak Hindi ? ? If people here go to North India, will they talk us in Malayalam ? ?

What I think is language is something like a color. If we like red, fine, use that, if we like blue too, fine use that too. Why forcing anyone for speaking any specific language ? ? Let it be our national language or let it be our state language.

@gx_saurav

Sorry, but a very polite question. How many languages you learnt ? Less than 5 may be ? Then how you found that Hindi is the easiest language in the world ? ? If I says it is not true, but Konkani is the easiest language (yes thats my mother toung!) ? ? If some guy form Karnatake says Kannada is easiest ? ?

There is nothing like that - except the Japanese language which all agree is not at all easy lol Now do not attack me telling I am anit- Japanese lol.

[praka123]

@din:you Explained it well ! and for my case,I can proudly say I can manage Hindi(very well),Urdu,Tamil(very well),Kannada along with Mother Tongue Malayalam.Now I want to ask any Hindian to say such a word

[The_Devil_Himself]

Originally Posted by praka123

@din:you Explained it well ! and for my case,I can proudly say I can manage Hindi(very well),Urdu,Tamil(very well),Kannada along with Mother Tongue Malayalam.Now I want to ask any Hindian to say such a word

Nope prakash,din dint adocate your idiology(don't force this on this and blah and blah and some more blah),he said you do whatever you like,for e.g. if you feel you can't survive in banglore without tamil(or whichever language is native there) then you should learn that and if you think you can manage without it then why the fugg would you like to learn a language.

and for my case,I can proudly say I can manage Hindi(my native tongue),Urdu,Punjabi,English,and soon I'll start 'managing' French too(),and maybe a couple of other languages too 10 years down the lane.Now I want to ask any non-Hindian to say such a word.

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by din

What I think is language is something like a color. If we like red, fine, use that, if we like blue too, fine use that too. Why forcing anyone for speaking any specific language ? ? Let it be our national language or let it be our state language.

Wrong!! Language is something like an operating system. If we like windows, fine, use that, if we like linux too, fine use that too. Why forcing anyone for using any specific OS ? ? Let it be our national OS (Windows) or let it be our state OS (Linux)

[praka123]

^state OS is anytime better 8)

On other note,Hindians cant get how it will be for Chinese/Americans/Koreans to learn Hindi same goes to Tamils,Malayalees and 90% south except may be few parts of Karnataka and Hyderabad.
@devil:I'm not blahing!think urself,get ur mind out of Hindian and Hindi enforcement u'll get to know wht am saying

My point is these Hindians,be it BIMARU's or any,should make it a habit learn English somehow if they want to interact with South Indians.even better let the proud Hindian learn Tamil.what say?

[iMav]

raj thackeray is trying to win marathi votes thats all shiv sena has done the same in the past MNS supported the guys who were "allegedly" involved in the marriot molestation case ... MNS currently is good for nothing party inorder to make his presence felt he does such acts .... he is organising a bandh in nerul which is not even in mumbai for this

[mediator]

UNiversal language? I guess that wud be sign language!! And why debate over culture corrosion? Isn't South INDIA the place which has the highest number of christian converts? Their wonderful culture converted at the hands of English mercenaries and "forced" to learn English??

If large number of "Northies" are gathering up in bangalore etc and celebrating their culture "among" themselves", then why such irritation among others? People aren't forcing anything unlike a few souls like those English mercenaries!!

If the behaviour of exceptions is seen as the general behaviour of majority, then shud I assume whole Maharasthra is like Raj thakarey and whole South against North??

Originally Posted by din

I listened to it pretending I do not know Hindi at all. After she finished talking (about 30 mins), I asked her - Kya thum Khatai ko jante ho ? (Khataison, a reputed handycraft shop in Cochin, their son is my friend) and I started speaking in Hindi (of course not fluent but not that bad lol). The lady answered and stopped talking fully !!! She didn't open her mouth till we reached the office again

A few southies from my college never spoke to us. Inspite of us being extra-nice to them, they acted like we "northies" in our northern land are some bad people/gangsters. Speaking to em in Hindi, they acted like they r complete retards and knew no language!! How are we supposed to understand that they r from south?? They cud be southerners who were brought up in Bihar or maharasthra or may be "North"? AM I genius? Nope!! They cud have simply pointed in English, ofcors, that they r from South and don't know Hindi well!! I hope u understand!!

So giving such "exceptional" examples makes no sense, as in general nobody likes to discriminate!!

So @all please keep the unnecessary language rhetorics to urselves and discuss the real picture prevailing in Maharashthra.

I really feel sympathetic towards those poor people who went their for earning a small bread for their family......and their taxis and small time eatery thrashed by those goons.

[motobuntu]

@praka
man, is somebody threatning or forcing you to use hindi???

Stay with whatever language your comfortable. But to connect with mainstream you should know Hindi and that's a fact.

It is the most important and popular language for national, political and commercial communication in our country.

Nowadays even in your south Indian film songs they are using hindi lines because they want to connect to mainstream.

Even the south indian politician's are learning Hindi to enter in to national politics.

Ofcourse, hindi is easiest to learn in comparison to other languages, that's why south indian's are learning it so fast now a days from their hindi speaking colleageus.

Hindi is our national language and hence should be respected by each and every Indian.

Keep rocking HINDI!!!!

[praka123]

stay away from hindi imposition on South.Infact u Hindians dont have any Idea how it will be in South India as u all know is a Blore or Hyderabad
mainstream?who said hindians are mainstream?upto 50% or more in India are non-hindi speakers get it!do u think I should expect you to talk to me in pure malayalam when I visit Bombay or Delhi?aaah...it feels weird?isnt it?the same way we feel,when u damn harcore hindians insist on talking Hindi- damn hindians should keep their hindi to themself and try to communicate in English-the Universal Language.

sardars,gujju's,here in my town comes to shops talking hindi and insists on that.I can hear "bhai kmaaaaaaal hai,hindi to rashtrbhasha hai to ye log kyun nahi samajh raha etc".?<-these people should first understand that the hindi is a enforcement on other Indians.they SHOULD NOT expect any non-hindi speaker to speak that.

and the shopkeepers who are roadside sellers even communicate with these sardars in English.NOT hindi.remember that unlike karnataka and Blore,although after heavy no.of immigrants from BIMARU and Bengalis(in Ernakulam district esp),we in Kerala,asks others to either communicate in English or in Malayalam else fcuk off!

We respect Our language and dont give a damn about this foreign lanugage called hindi.

English is not forced by Christian missionaries.English is officially taught in colleges in Kerala long back in British Rule esp in Travancore.
Christians in South India-you will be surprised to know that Syrian Christians,who are majority in Kerala are converted by St.Thomas 2000+yrs back those Jews,brahmins etc.So,where is the question of Missionaries and English come?
also,goan Chrisitans are converted mixed by Portugese only;not English.

get over this-we dont want Hindi at any cost in South India.
English is the universal Language and all Indians need to know English as a communication language.
It is not those who browse internet or those who are educated that I am talking about.A local Tamilian,Andhrite or Kannadiga talks with many a English words.he can understand a European tourist with half baked English.I know that rural bengal,BIMARU are not.let them learn English than hindi.English earns benefits.heck,even I can communicate everyone with English,not kindi.

@moto:yr wrong!that Hindi lines in local songs are for the melody which I agree Hindi songs does have and even south indians except tamilians enjoy hindi songs thats not a big deal as we in kerala enjoy tamil,western,arabic songs also.Hindi language chauavinism wont help you get anywhere.

back to topic:
this "west India" or Bombay,Gujarat area protests against North Indian Migration and imposition of Hindi.it is not a rare incident but a mirror of what people of Maharashtra feels.I know that Marathi's are very much patriotic about their state.expect more results if north pours down south and west

[satyamy]

its all Bull****
raj is a stupid, senseless man

whoes the one who voted for
not a political gimmick and i am with this
guys find him

Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE

i hate this type politician.Raj wants to break our country into parts shame on him just hang him

Totally agreed with you
HANG him

[adi007]

i will go for "political gimmick and i dont agree to such claims"..
India is a democratic and secular nation..Every one has a right to move to any state within India and earn money or settle in that state....Mumbai doesn't only belongs to Maharashtra but to whole India as well...

I just watched NDTV yesterday and felt very sad...Poor Taxi drivers are beaten up and their taxies are damaged..The worst thing is the press reporters just covering the rampage and are not doing anything to prevent it..

[praka123]

No where in the world will people flows from every part of the country concentrated on big cities neglecting other parts of the country.
I am talking about Bombay,now Bangalore in India

this north indian downpour to Bombay and south will not stop until Bihar,UP(C.G,U.A etc),Bengal,Assam and all of bimaru get better governance and funds from central government to get these states go with national mainstream average reg literacy,per capita income etc.

no need to say that politicians on these parts are the most corrupt(lalllu eg)

[Edburg]

looks like thakarey succeeded in making us divided in terms of state even right here in this forum....

i for one will not learn hindi just cos hindi is spoken majority in india.....if so why cant everyone in world speak english as it is the most common....

even in SRM university chennai all the hindians group into one and mistreat the southerners as second class people and that too here in chennai itself....thank God chennai is still local(tamil) following its own cultures unlike hyderabad and not give in to those suckers.....i am not against all hindians but only those sick a$$ ones such as thakery

[praka123]

^well said Edburg.but thackerey is against rest of India not alone a language thingy!

@edburg:the thing is these ppl does not know that there are places in India where "Hindi" is not even Heard! but our poor Hindians dont understand this and they are thinking rest of India is also somehow related to Hindi; pathetic.

[din]

@mediator

Extremely sorry for the misunderstanding. I apologize if any of my statements or example hurt anyone in this forum. I never meant to be partial. Also, I am not into any posts in fight club, but thought I will clarify something.

What you meant is same as what I meant. The example you gave is exactly same as the one I gave ! We both meant the same thing. Some people act wiered !! Some may be from North and some may be from South. I am not in favor or against any.

What I meant is, if someone from South goes to North and if they want to buy something or want to talk to something, want some help - speak in a language which the North Indian people can understand. Do not keep talking all malayalam or kannada which the other guys will not have a clue !!

Same with the North Indians, if they come to south, talk in a language which south people can understand. Yes, it is not easy, but to interact we have to find a solution. There is no need to force anyone, I gave that example (thats form my experience) because the lady explained it like a crime, bashing all south Indian people. I am very sure there will be some south people doing the same (going to North and telling they are not speaking malayalam or tamil and by speaking hindi they are doing a crime !!!)

Well, as I meant before language is just a color. In infra's words, just an OS (), use teh one which you prefer, change it when you want others to understand what you are talking. Thats all ! No north and south. Actually we should be proud of ourself than any other country in the world, like 30 or more languages in a country, all entirely different and we have a unity that we are all Indians !

Enough I think lol and yes, fight club was / is never my section. This is my last post in this thread too.

Thank you all. And once again - I am really sorry if my first post was confusing or abusive.

[praka123]

Originally Posted by din

I am very sure there will be some south people doing the same (going to North and telling they are not speaking malayalam or tamil and by speaking hindi they are doing a crime !!!)

Definitely NOT! not even a person from TN expect such a thing!Only these Hindians are such a Hypocrats!.

[mediator]

English is not forced by Christian missionaries.English is officially taught in colleges in Kerala long back in British Rule esp in Travancore.
Christians in South India-you will be surprised to know that Syrian Christians,who are majority in Kerala are converted by St.Thomas 2000+yrs back those Jews,brahmins etc.So,where is the question of Missionaries and English come?
also,goan Chrisitans are converted mixed by Portugese only;not English.

I couldn't find anywhere any excerpt saying they were converted 2000+ yrs back save that the tradition itself sprung in the first centry.

Are the people from south really that gullible that they can be converted that easily so as to form the largest christian population in INDIA?? If 'no', then why such hatred for north INDIANS and loss of patriotism??

What was their orginal culture?? Also, it seems the cast system which has been given a totally new meaning has risen to its full disgrace in South. Is that their culture?? Corrupted cast system and reservations based on it, like 60% ???

If southies luv their culture, then I shudn't be the one tellin em bt what the cast system meant!

A brahmin from south in my society/locality not even wishing to see the face of a sweeper (shudhra?) ?? WTH?? Isn't a sweeper a human? How can one decide if he's a shudra? By just looking at his money power?

We in our north, celebrate by inviting everyone, giving away sweets to sweepers/watchmen everyone!!

I am in no way bashing the South, but just stating the reality where the present and illogcal cries against the cultural corruption 'from south' have no meaning.

Culture corruption, language rhetorics! What next? Country partition?

I agree with @edburg.....Raj thakarey is suceeding!