narendra modi v/s congress

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

Gujarat elections on head now ... Its not BJP v/s congress ..but its narendra modi v/s congress ..

the current elections in gujarat will decide the fate of both congress and bjp ..and Modi is getting popular day by day , guess who is gonna win ..

Kaun banega sardar kiski banegi sarkar

[nix]

i support narendra modi...
he is a man of steel. he commands respect and awe. dont blame him for the riots. there is no solid proof that he supported/helped it. congress has been fabricating stuff against him. even media is against him. he stands alone. if ppl resort to violence...what is his fault? he tried to stop the violence but in vain...

what happened in gujarat was the ppl's wish. they retaliated. let us not be one sided. both muslims and hindu's died. not that only muslims died, as projected by some parts of the media.
everyone talks about best bakery...but no one talks about the sabarmati S6 coach.... why?
are those ppl children of a lesser god?

hindu's have become the worst losers in india... every now and then,our gods are insulted. like the ram setu issue. just today, west bengal CM again insulted ram by saying that it is fictional. it is a cheap tactic to gain votes... by extremists..he is pleasing fundamentalists..

again, the taslima case proves it... he has given in to islamic fundamentalists by telling her to "get out"....

[praka123]

taking revenge also does not going to help.he stands for so called hindus in Gujrat,not for all people.how can you expect everyone in a state to accept this.but BJP is a party which is for Hindu's.they will destruct/kill Muslims esp if comes into power.though they have Minority Morcha et al.
My point is we need parties like congress which is somewhat neutral.
Although I accept,due to "teachings",Muslims will be more into violence as the "teachings" directly proclaims and the catechism given by fundamental "Islamic Scholars" in madrassa's will make even a Ahimsa-vadi into a terrorist due to their acts.
But still Mody needs to be neutral.both sides shud calm down.too much of violence,thanks to peace loving religions

[planetcall]

Babri masjid incident was a glorious fallacy of congress rejime ! I support nix for his view on modi. Modi has taken Gujarat to great height and the development work has been really good. People who are there in Gujarat, do acknowledge the developments being done by the state govt. Hinduism is just a card that is being played for the election but I do believe the development work that is currently very stable and on the track, would be a boon for the state.
Regarding Congress, I dont like sonia. I would never support any party that is being led by some foreigner. Congress is supported by Communists and Lalu. I wonder why we have a reason to support congress. The plight of Madhya Pradesh we have already seen. The downfall of Bihar is another glorious act of congress. 60 years of independence and hunger and illetracy looming large in our nation is another gift by the congress. I would never give my vote to congress anyway. We dont need congress ............. atleast not anymore.

[karnivore]

The great Indian tradegy is that, even after 60 years of independence, neither have we, the voters, have matured, nor our political fraternity has.

Modi, indeed, has taken Gujrat a step forward, in terms of commerce, trade and industry. Question is, are all the components of the society included in the "step-forward". The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.

Frankly, as human being, my body does not produce enough spit, that i can paint Modi with. And thats a shame.

As with Tasleema, isn't it irony, that the proscribers of Hussain are becoming her protector. And it is even more of a shame, that Kolkata does not have enough space to accomodate her.

[sachin_kothari]

I recently had a trip to gujarat.
When i asked a few people about the outcome of the elections they said Modi will win outright.
They say he has changed the face of gujarat completely like no one else did.
Also they say he is like a one man army.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

I don't know what Modi did in gujarat ...but surely he is hard core saffornist .regarding congress its the biggest enemy of majority in India ...

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by praka123

taking revenge also does not going to help.he stands for so called hindus in Gujrat,not for all people.how can you expect everyone in a state to accept this.but BJP is a party which is for Hindu's.they will destruct/kill Muslims esp if comes into power.though they have Minority Morcha et al.

They were in power for a complete session. According to the censuss which took place in the time of a BJP led govt, it was proved that muslims were increasing in the numbers in India while Hindus were decreasing.

My point is we need parties like congress which is somewhat neutral.

Neutral and Congress! Go ask the Sikh victims of 1984 riots, who is neutral.

Although I accept,due to "teachings",Muslims will be more into violence as the "teachings" directly proclaims and the catechism given by fundamental "Islamic Scholars" in madrassa's will make even a Ahimsa-vadi into a terrorist due to their acts.
But still Mody needs to be neutral.both sides shud calm down.too much of violence,thanks to peace loving religions

Totally Agree

Originally Posted by karnivore

As with Tasleema, isn't it irony, that the proscribers of Hussain are becoming her protector. And it is even more of a shame, that Kolkata does not have enough space to accomodate her.

And is it not a bigger irony that dear Buddha and his red flag bearing bunch who claim to be secular think that secularism is only at stake when the muslims votes are at stake.

Isnt it amusing that when Buddha says that Rama is a poetic nuance, or when Hussein paints Hindu gods in objectionable form, they claim he has freedom of expression but when Salman Rushdie writes a book or when Taslima says something which supposedly hurts muslim sentiments they are lambasted. Some hypocritical double standards they have about freedom of expression and secularism.

[karnivore]

And is it not a bigger irony that dear Buddha and his red flag bearing bunch who claim to be secular think that secularism is only at stake when the muslims votes are at stake.

Isnt it amusing that when Buddha says that Rama is a poetic nuance, or when Hussein paints Hindu gods in objectionable form, they claim he has freedom of expression but when Salman Rushdie writes a book or when Taslima says something which supposedly hurts muslim sentiments they are lambasted. Some hypocritical double standards they have about freedom of expression and secularism.

Can't agree with you more. The communists have always been like this, all round the world.They, themselves become the very insititution that they seek to demolish.

[runeet]

Its a shame, a blatant shame that a party such as congress, which is basically led by a foreigner is at power in this nation. Its like colonialism all over again, they are following the British policy of divide & rule while playing vote bank politics. This nation is a free country & an indivisual utilizing this freedom is told to shut-up. What the hell!!! Now the congress chief calling Modi as a merchent of death, what abt themselves of the Sikh riots.
This bloody party is out to ruin the country. It cannot be allowed to be brought to power again.
EVERYBODY WAKE UP, START VOTING.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

congress and its allies are hypocrates ... specially RJD

RJD was involved in 1989 bhagal pur Riots where 1800 muslims were killed by official records .. and lalu is biggest lover of muslims

[praka123]

a single solution for all the problems in India UNIFORM CIVIL CODE
That puts an end to everything that a major "minority" community does!also minority appeasement for votebank must be stopped esp with the major "minority" community as India holds the 2nd largest population of that "minority"
Real minorities in India are Christians,sikhs,jains et al.give them the attention and justice,not to "major" Minority

[runeet]

Basically there should be no minority. The biggest joke of our constitution is that it says 'everyone is treated as equal' & then talks about various minorities.
If the minority concept is completely eliminated, India can readily progress.
And by the way, judging by their rate of reproduction I dont think Muslims are minority any more.

[praka123]

^some protection does needed for minorities.it is not as easy as you believe.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

minorities are more safe in india than majorities ......

[esumitkumar]

++1 for praka's suggestions for UNIFORM CIVIL CODE ..but my dear that will not be possible due to cheap vote bank politics

I am a big supporter of Modi ..Make him the next PM candidate (who gives a wink to Atal and Advani ??) and see BJP win all over India ...

Gujarat is a developed state and all credit goes to Modi

Make him PM and see the revolution

[Pathik]

Dunno abt the riots but it is true that Narendra Modi is the man behind the Progress of Gujarat.
We need powerful ministers like him

[vicky_l7]

even i support him its so ironic that people who talk of secularism is the most who doesn't follow it like congress

[praka123]

Dictator
Modi is a dictator though he did afaik many good work.he is a terrorist against Islamists ,but in that work,he got hate syndrome against every minorities.I know that majority supports him more for his hindutva politricks.

Modi as PM candidate?
Still Modi is never ever imagine to be a PM candidate,He is made as a such a hindu fanatic by the resident terrorist Islamists who provoked and got what they needed via Modi(Killing of Muslims in Gujarat).
Fanatic?
But now modi himself became the biggest terrorist.he gets support from majority Hindus,but the hate wave he has with Islam and along with it Christians too made him a moron infront of other human beings in Gujarat and India who are not Hindus.

I viewed in TV, his childish talks against Sonia Gandhi,that she asked gov to make a "cross" in new 2 rupees Coin!he is a fanatic fool.

Catholic white lady from Italy?Can't Tolerate ?
As an Indian Citizen Sonia(why do u care so much for "made in India" progeny?) has the right to become PM also.she replied well calling Modi "maut ka saudagar".Indeed Modi is Merchent of Death!
she only got the courage to reply what is needed.

Congress is still more secular and Democratic than hindu BJP or its allies like Shiva Sena,RSS.
Indian Origin?
if in that logic that Sonia cant be PM because she is from Italy,caucausian,Catholic Christian,

Then,all Hindu members in british parliament and the Lords should get out of Europe.yeah!that is reality.Europe and US allows Middle-east,India,Pak "immigrants" there and allows them full freedom and many Indians are becoming leaders there.So,no one objected.but Why India cant tolerate Sonia as PM?Thinking a foreigner is ruling you?I pity

Congress fails on Islamists agrees
although I agrees congress is silent on Islamists and their missionaries working their to create the universal country of Islam,where the God is Allah,Sharia is the law(inspired from Manusmruti,a violent interpretation) and all non-muslims are kaafirs and Dhimmi's.The provocation from Muslims are difficult to withstand sometimes.
above,I explained what is cooking inside with Muslims.

Minority is not equal to Muslims,But Christians,Jains also includes!
BJP is a definite NO-NO for any minority.Thank God!BJP is still nowhere in South India!.

I can understand that majority Hindus especially in north india got animosity and anger against minorities due to these Islamists!
Believe me,No Christians or Buddhists,Jains are like those fundamentalists in India!dont pour your anger for fundamentalists to average minority men.

I hope my explanation is OK

[nix]

why cant you type in proper english? i had a hard time understanding your time... i've read it twice and still dont think i've got it right..
anyway, from what i ve understood...here is what ive to say:
first off, his talks are not "childish" , that cannot be termed as childish in any sense. he gave it back to sonia. you know how she gives speeches? its hindi speeches written in english

why do you call him a terrorist? he is not a fanatic... you need to get your facts right. the so called "proof" is all made up. tehelka is fake.

even muslims vote for modi in gujarat. they like his developmental schemes. its only the media is making too much of it...

[praka123]

you dont believe tehelka?wow!now why did he quit off from karen thapper's show?MODI IS A FANATIC and MAJORITY RELIGION ENJOYS THIS!
yeah am bad with formatting!just try to read it am not that good in English you know!
Only thing worth mentioning is Modi suppressed Muslims.He allowed Hindus take revenge on Muslims reg Godhra.
But I though Aarsh-Bharatha Sanskar is something unlike barbarian civilization from Messopotomia,Sumeria.their laws are cut hands,eye-for-eye.
But as Indians,there needs to be peaceful solution for all these problems. fanatic like Modi and Thogadia cannot help that!

[kumarmohit]

@praka

As fo Dear Sonia being an Indian citizen, her citizenship is still a bone of contention. According to Indian law of citizenship, you can not hold citizenship of any other country and according to Italian law of citizenship, you can not renounce Italian citizenship at all. This make her citizenship a bit well... debatable, any way the matter is in court.

About the cross thing, It is a fact that the cross is a religious symbol. I do not know if Sonia is involved in this but being a secular country means that govt property can not officially carry mark of single religion, thus making it superior to others. If some pple see that that the cross is a religious symbol which it actually is, it can not be on the currency of a secular nation.

And if you want to know about the secularism of congress, please go and ask the Sikhs, or go and ask Shah Bano, or go and ask Salman Rushdie whose book was banned by a Congress govt, go and ask the makers of The Da Vinci Code, or most recent case go ask Tasleema NAsrin whose movie was all but.stopped by the govt.

All that i want to say is that every single political party in this country is communal some claim to be so openly like Muslim League or SS, some do it under cover like left and congress.

About believing Tehelka, please do take wat tehelka says with a pinch of salt. And I am saying this cause I am graduate in journalism and I have a bit of an idea of how the company works. Let me give you one simple example regarding the reporting of wahtever happened in Gujarat. Tehelka says that while the army had arrived in Gujarat on the 28, Modi govt deployed it only on 1 of next month. The period in between was that of progorm and commotion.

Tehelka conveniently forgot to tell in their reports that the army arrived on 28 Feb and it was deployed on 1 March. And no it was not a leap year. Tehelka does what we in communication institutions call Gotcha Journalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotcha_journalism

[praka123]

As being a minority myself(yes!digest it!),I can very well understand the frustration when BJP came to power in centre.In Bihar a Pastor and his son was burned off by Hindu fanatic.Nuns are raped,Churches are looted,Fathers are Killed.Christians are living in fear in many states especially in North India.
the vengeance for Muslims are done on poor Christians who are the real minority!come to my state and see the difference.

Government does not care for real minorities especially BJP is against Christians.

BJP =never.Congress is somewhat acceptable.Communists also OK.but never BJP or any Hindutva vaadi's on power.We dont want to leave our motherland just because we are on another religion.I know what VHP,RSS,Shiva Sena does.even I was Evangalised by a Hindutva terrorist once in a bike journey!he asked my name and thought i am a Hindu.now he is evangalizing me to get ready to defend Islamists and hate messages for Christians(who are 22% on my state).I wonder,what will happen if all hindus lose their tolerable nature.
I have edited my post no.19.read it if you are ready

[kumarmohit]

I can very well understand the frustration when BJP came to power in centre

And wud you be kind enuf to remind me about the increse in the number of minority popultion that was shown under the census conducted during that govt rule.

In Bihar a Pastor and his son was burned off by Hindu fanatic.Nuns are raped,Churches are looted,Fathers are Killed.Christians are living in fear in many states especially in North India.

Look I do not want this to be a cat fight or something but there a number of places in North east India and in your dear south India where the christian missionaries have forcefully stopped Hindus from doing their pujas and desecrated the idols and temples (yes in this age), there are a number of instances where people have been converted by force or by lure.

BJP =never.Congress is somewhat acceptable.Communists also OK.but never BJP or any Hindutva vaadi's on power.We dont want to leave our motherland just because we are on another religion.I know what VHP,RSS,Shiva Sena does.even I was Evangalised by a Hindutva terrorist once in a bike journey!he asked my name and thought i am a Hindu.now he is evangalizing me to get ready to defend Islamists and hate messages for Christians(who are 22% on my state).I wonder,what will happen if all hindus lose their tolerable nature.

When the christian missionaries evangelize, they become saviors but when hindus try to do so they become terrorists! Some double standards this country has and yet it claims to view all religions as equal.

The fact of the matter is that tolerance has to come from both sides, Why is it that most of the minorities live peacefully, because they are also tolerant and accommodating. If the majority is the only one who has to accommodate every time then I am sorry to say but their is something seriously wrong with the entire system.

the vengeance for Muslims are done on poor Christians who are the real minority!come to my state and see the difference.

Been there but just for 3-4 months so cant say much

I have edited my post no.19.read it if you are ready

If this is about formatting I never complained about that

[praka123]

Originally Posted by kumarmohit

And wud you be kind enuf to remind me about the increse in the number of minority popultion that was shown under the census conducted during that govt rule.

I dont think so.the report says the population increase is not much.esp Christians.

Originally Posted by kumarmohit

Look I do not want this to be a cat fight or something but there a number of places in North east India and in your dear south India where the christian missionaries have forcefully stopped Hindus from doing their pujas and desecrated the idols and temples (yes in this age), there are a number of instances where people have been converted by force or by lure.

Tell me!this is news!afaik only muslims does that!and dont think that all are "converted" christians.for eg:if you consider syrian christians, they are a mix of jews,Namboodiri Brahmins etc.they are converted at the time when christianity is born!Saint Thomas came to western coast for this.

and for muslims,not all are forcibly converted as in North India!Moplah Muslims of Kerala are having their roots from 7th century itself when Malik ibn Deenar,a close one of Mohammad came here to spread the message WITHOUT SWORDS!!!!
Many Hindu temples are converted into Masjids or Churches when the whole area is accepting Christianity or Islam.so ofcourse the old temples are converted into Churches or Mosques.this is a fact!and they are the owners!

Originally Posted by kumarmohit

When the christian missionaries evangelize, they become saviors but when hindus try to do so they become terrorists! Some double standards this country has and yet it claims to view all religions as equal.

The fact of the matter is that tolerance has to come from both sides, Why is it that most of the minorities live peacefully, because they are also tolerant and accommodating. If the majority is the only one who has to accommodate every time then I am sorry to say but their is something seriously wrong with the entire system.

Hindus does not have to do the evangalization!India is a Hindu country and most Indians root their Origins as Hindus itself.where does evangalization come?It is new religions like Christianity or Islam which uses Evangalization.the fellow who try to evangalize me is not a Hindu missionary,but a violent terrorist who wants to destroy the religious harmony and peace prevailing in the state.in the same way,I blame Muslim radical groups like NDF and Madhani groups for wahabbism and creating problems among peace loving people.I know that they are more violent.

Still Hindu India cannot grow by sacking Christian minorities.Christians unlike Islam are patriotic.I feel that there is the venom of religion which is there with you too!


Just One word,India cannot be in peace by suppressing minorities as Modi does.If Modi become PM,no dobut US will be the most happiest to attack India calling this mad Modi as a dictator!
as simple it is=Modi is not a Hero for ALL!He is a fanatic terrorist who wants to kill every Moslems,Christians.He and His party is particulary against abrahamic religions.He needs to be jailed along with thogadia,Madhani et al.

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by praka123

Still Hindu India cannot grow by sacking Christian minorities.Christians unlike Islam are patriotic.I feel that there is the venom of religion which is there with you too!

Kool it man, why get Personal! and what is wrong in defending Hinduism or spreading it, you can defend and spread yours, I can do mine, natural justice is it not? Going by your dominant religion concept, both christians and moslems shud abandon evangelization first as they are the two largest groups in the world!

[nix]

@praka: there is no injustice being done to indian christians. the same cannot be said of countries like pakistan, bangla, where it happens often.

and pls dont drag modi's name into this. whatever happened in gujrat riots was between the majority and the biggest minority. not christians. christians were not harmed. christians have never been harmed in india.

and about the karan thapar show: you know , modi 's english is not very good. he cant talk fluent english. he didnt want to say something and that been taken in a different context by the media and a mess being made up. he got up from the interview to be on the safe side. not because he didnt have an answer.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

whatever any one say in Modi set to comeback again . and as a third time as CM of gujurat ..

[mediator]

Originally Posted by nix

@praka: there is no injustice being done to indian christians. the same cannot be said of countries like pakistan, bangla, where it happens often.

and pls dont drag modi's name into this. whatever happened in gujrat riots was between the majority and the biggest minority. not christians. christians were not harmed. christians have never been harmed in india.

and about the karan thapar show: you know , modi 's english is not very good. he cant talk fluent english. he didnt want to say something and that been taken in a different context by the media and a mess being made up. he got up from the interview to be on the safe side. not because he didnt have an answer.

I dont think he got up becoz of poor english. Karan thapar acts like a retard now who has lost the senses of even a basic anchor. You can very well see him questioning like he is interrogating a criminal everytime. Modi got up when the same old story bt Godhra was questioned and I think Modi did right by getting up.

Besides, I dont understand why nobody talks bt Kashmiri Pandits? Godhra was initiated by Muslim Mob and Kashmiri pandits suffer far more comparatively. I guess they r a minority there without any privileges, reservation or sharia'h like "boon" for them! Equality for all?

[praka123]

shariath is forced inside Moslems in many parts of the country,not to say Kashmiri Moslems who are influenced by the missionaries from saudi and afghan.

Indeed,it is a very sad case,when pundits community are forced to leave to Delhi and other places for resuce.many are killed and nobody is taking side for them.may be bcoz they are not a vote bank.

..and this shows what is in store for us,when "Universal Kingdom of Islam" Establishes and shariath is forced on every one.all except christians and jews are to be beheaded for idol worship-as per shariath law.where in Islam Church and state is Islam itself.BTW,shariath is again a violent barbarian interpretation of Manusmriti(YES!!!).

Modi is revered for his killing of moslems. but again violence is not a solution.to stop repeating gothra and kashmir union government must pass "UNIFORM CIVIL CODE" asap.also madrassas should be watched by a government appointed establishment.the hate starts from childhood itself for a orthodox muslim kid.if "Universal Kingdom of Islam" is established,we sure gonna suffer.

even Europeans who are not having successors(children),turkish moslems and arab,african moslems are breeding in faster pace in europe esp France where a muslim couple will have almost 5 or above children.in this rate before 2050 itself Islam will win Europe!even in India,Muslims are denying 1 or 2 child policy even from educated muslims we saw terror esp kafeel mahomet in London.wth?

hence the solution is to stop over breeding of Muslims and stopping shariath been forced on Muslims in India indirectly by wahabbi muslims.stop madrassa and make them teach English.this solves everything!!!India will prosper when terrorism stops!