Gibbon is still an Ape

[iMav]

Yup im talking about Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon ...

First i would like to thank the OSS members here who with a heavy heart decided to help me to setup my ubuntu so thanx a lot for ur help guys and i hope u will continue to help me however i think ubuntu has stolen a lot of thunder and a lot of Vista Should Worry courtesy Gibbon blogs and posts have been floating around so i think i have the right to also write my experience and say what i feel about gutsy gibbon and its "threat" to vista and windows OSs soplease read it and tell me if im wrong i will be more than glad to change if im wrong

First Impressions:

Linux has improved over the years and improved to a great extent they have finally realized that a good GUI is as necessary as security and not all can use command lines for everything they want to do for whatever reasons - some dont know how to and some simply feel its a waste of time (i fall in both categories)

The Goods:

1. Synaptic Manager: I liked the way it searches and installs the library reducing my work of searching and using terminal for every new library i want


2. Compiz Fusion: Its been compared to Vista's Aero and has been said everywhere that aero sucks so much resources and does nothing where as Compiz can do so much the truth is COmpiz is pretty much like Windows FX and is only eye candy - use it to impress ur Girl-Friends and they will go all O ur a genious with Comps and trust me they will say u are Indian Bill Gates also u can use it to make ur siblings happy show them some good magic; but most of compiz features also suck out ur comp resources and are actually of no productive use - using these features u will hardly be able to use ur OS blur effects; slow motion all these are of no practical use where as aero is a simple eye candy feature which does not affect or comes in the way of ur work - it gives u a good looking OS and lets u work

3. Office Inbuilt: Yup though its not as good as some other packages available it is still better to have a package than having a trial or none at all, though iv read on this forum itself a member had problems when he created a Open Office ppt and viewed it in Powerpoint - big problems and that too just before his presentation

4. Cant think of anymore

The Bads:

1. A not at all Comparable to Windows out-of-the-box experience: No mp3 for whatever reason; a music player is bundled but mp3 plugins are downloaded for the 'supposed' video player

2. Internet Conx is a Must: If u dont have a net conx u can pretty much do nothing on ur box - no plugins no video no music which i really find funny considering the fact that people have labelled this as the Vista killer OS, u need to download so many libraries; dependencies so much just to make sure that it works

3. User Security: When Vista was launched people cursed its User security option which made u enter ur password before doing certain system specific taks also known as UAC - i was surprised rather more than surprised to find it bugging me in Ubuntu (the same thing is there in OS X Tiger also) - so dont see any reason why VIsta's UAC was so much of a stupid feature even though it gave u the option of dis-abling it unlike ubuntu and tiger

4. Drivers Support: Now let me be clear i dont blame Ubuntu developers for this at all but when u compare urself to something like windows this plays a major role - huge lack of driver support and even though drivers are sometimes avialable there are weird problems while installing it

5. No BSODs/Crash Reason: Now every1 curses bsods calling them stupid MS flaws but for some reason if u come to think about getting a BSOD is much better than having ur machine frozen and u actually not knowing that it has frozen and what caused it to freeze

[drgrudge]

I also had a similar experience with my PC. Help me run Gutsy Gibbon in my PC (http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71135). I must say that the Community here is awesome.


I tried various things in my 8 yr old PC and nothing seemed to work. I tried and lot and gave up in the end. "Tried a lot and did all I could. Turned out like the fox that couldn't reach the vine plant and gave up thinking it might be sour."

Now I'm planned to see what's the hype around Ubuntu in my laptop, but then I love OS X Tiger that I didn't install Linux or Windows in my Mac. They say Leopard is better than Tiger and I like Tiger itself very much!

My Mac does all I want, then why would I need to install other OS, just for the heck of seeing what's the fuss around?

Originally Posted by iMav

i was surprised rather more than surprised to find it bugging me in Ubuntu (the same thing is there in OS X Tiger also) - so dont see any reason why VIsta's UAC was so much of a stupid feature even though it gave u the option of dis-abling it unlike ubuntu and tiger

I find that way better than what we have in Windows.
1. In Windows I'll have to type the password before I login. In OS X, no need for that. For most of the Admin related tasks, it'll ask Password.
2. What if you log on to Admin account and then you go off the PC and then someone does stuffs on your PC?


One thing that I want to tell: OS X pwns Aero in Windows Vista or Compiz Fusion in Linux any day.

[FilledVoid]

Great to hear your experiences. The OSS members here have helped me more times than I have cared to count. I was a Windows user (started from DOS to XP) until recently migrated to Ubuntu and I find the experience so far pretty good. Since we are talking about your install lets go into it a bit better.

4. Cant think of anymore

I could think of quite a few but posting that would make my post from the view of a staunch Linux Advocate. Lets take a look at your problems.

1. A not at all Comparable to Windows out-of-the-box experience: No mp3 for whatever reason; a music player is bundled but mp3 plugins are downloaded for the 'supposed' video player

Please take a look at the following. This should explain more than enough Why mp3 support isn't included by default

Most of these drivers are “restricted” because they are not available under a completely Free licence.

In short GNU/Linux and other distro try to follow rule:

1. If something is proprietary, it cannot be included in Linux
2. If it violates United States federal law (most popular distros are manufactured in USA), it cannot be included in Linux
3. Patent-encumbered software etc

The patent holder is not ready to give an unrestricted patent grant, as required by the GPL license. To get mp3 support for your distribution you must use third party repositories (or vendor site) to download application.

Source: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/why-li...f-the-box.html

As far as I recall unless you are a pirate you paid for the software unlike Ubuntu you got it from your friend or downloaded it or used ship-it or whatever methods necessary.

Internet Conx is a Must: If u dont have a net conx u can pretty much do nothing on ur box - no plugins no video no music which i really find funny considering the fact that people have labelled this as the Vista killer OS, u need to download so many libraries; dependencies so much just to make sure that it works

Only if you want to use software which is not included or installed by default on your computer then yes you need to install it. If you have the DVD install then you could drastically reduce the amount you need to install. Furthermore you dont need to select a dependency. So far I have only had to select the main program from the menu and the dependencies get selected automatically. Most programs in Windows use certain dlls as well as Frameworks as well so I definitely see that Linux having more dependencies argument is not valid at all. Most of their sizes usually range from 10 KB to 500 KB anyway.

3. User Security: When Vista was launched people cursed its User security option which made u enter ur password before doing certain system specific taks also known as UAC - i was surprised rather more than surprised to find it bugging me in Ubuntu (the same thing is there in OS X Tiger also) - so dont see any reason why VIsta's UAC was so much of a stupid feature even though it gave u the option of dis-abling it unlike ubuntu and tiger

Even with UAC Microsoft has done a horrible job of securing its new Operating system. Not to mention I wonder where Microsoft suddenly got the idea of securing system tasks. Id rather have my system a bit secure than not at all.

4. Drivers Support: Now let me be clear i dont blame Ubuntu developers for this at all but when u compare urself to something like windows this plays a major role - huge lack of driver support and even though drivers are sometimes avialable there are weird problems while installing it

I definitely agree with this. Hardware developers don't seem to enjoy providing software which would enable their devices in Linux. However I didn't have to install a single driver for my Ubuntu install. That is everything was recognized as is. Maybe because of the devices I use than yours.

5. No BSODs/Crash Reason: Now every1 curses bsods calling them stupid MS flaws but for some reason if u come to think about getting a BSOD is much better than having ur machine frozen and u actually not knowing that it has frozen and what caused it to freeze

BSODS dont always happen cause of a certain reason. Search google or hell check this forum Im pretty sure that there are numerous instances where the common tech support answer was given "Reinstall......." . Linux have its share of problems as well. Being in tech support Ive seen my share of nasty WIndow Problems so please don't say that there are less bugs in WIndows or MS Software....
Anyway this all is just my humble opinion.

Before I end I just couldn't resist answering this.

however i think ubuntu has stolen a lot of thunder and a lot of Vista

Microsoft built its company on products based on others ideas. Maybe you should check more of that before you just blatantly post it. but wait , I guess thats the norm considering that it is on the "Fight Club" .

If you seriously wanted to post your reviews and not start Random thread 328 about OS1 vs OS2 you could have done it in the review thread any one of the others. Nonetheless get the point.

You like Windows better whooopie ..... So stop beating the dead horse.

[iMav]

the reason i posted here was based on my experience any such review thread ends up getting locked and members banned however the fight club has some relaxation by the mods and admins and hence it has been posted here

as far as ur post: i cant play mp3s without having a net conx when i install ubuntu can u

[FilledVoid]

as far as ur post: i cant play mp3s without having a net conx when i install ubuntu can u?

I doubt I downloaded anythig for MP3 but I did only started to play it after I installed all the programs I needed.

I don't see why a person would be banned cause of a review on Gutsy Gibbon as long as the conversation is maintained in a civilized manner.

[iMav]

Originally Posted by exx_2000

I don't see why a person would be banned cause of a review on Gutsy Gibbon as long as the conversation is maintained in a civilized manner.

well lets just say that this is the best section to post reviews of OSs on thinkdigit ... it just makes sure that the thread isnt locked and no 1 is banned trust me

and mp3s i can assure u out-of -the-box they dont work

[Faun]

Originally Posted by iMav

the reason i posted here was based on my experience any such review thread ends up getting locked and members banned however the fight club has some relaxation by the mods and admins and hence it has been posted here

as far as ur post: i cant play mp3s without having a net conx when i install ubuntu can u

U expect to play mp3 ?
Thats not under open source circle, why dont u try sabayon if u only wanted to play damn mp3 format in linux or else get an ubuntu DVD(contains all goodies, no need for net conn).

70% effects in compiz-fusion are for enhancing user interaction and productiviy. Rest 30% are for show off to noobs.

U guys will never see the silver line. Better luck with ur confined workspaces.

[FilledVoid]

You do know that, thats ike saying Windows Vista doesnt play random music file out of box and I dont have an internet connection. With Windows you could possibly get away with this cause you have CDs and DVDs of magazines.

[iMav]

Originally Posted by T159

70% effects in compiz-fusion are for enhancing user interaction and productiviy. Rest 30% are for show off to noobs.

i actually found the ratio to be other way round besides mp3s is just 1 of the things; 1 thing that i forgot to post is the boot time from the time of os selection to login screen: ubuntu for me is the slowest with os x being the fastest its really slow

[FilledVoid]

i forgot to post is the boot time from the time of os selection to login screen: ubuntu for me is the slowest with os x being the fastest its really slow

I can prove otherwise if you come to #Digit sometime. Using a Windows system and a Ubuntu system. but then again I dont use Vista's boot loader.

[Faun]

Originally Posted by iMav

i actually found the ratio to be other way round besides mp3s is just 1 of the things; 1 thing that i forgot to post is the boot time from the time of os selection to login screen: ubuntu for me is the slowest with os x being the fastest its really slow

Mine boots in less than 30 secs.

lol...i back off,

[iMav]

u want i can give u a vdo its a lot more than 30 for me

[Faun]

Originally Posted by iMav

u want i can give u a vdo its a lot more than 30 for me

no one wants the proof here, shall i gain something out of it, No.

Use the OS which u prefer most, just a matter of personal choice.

[infra_red_dude]

Lolz.. from your first post I can see only the first point: Synaptic as the good. Rest of the "good"s are posted as "bad"s!!!

I agree with you on Driver support. Companies like Novell, Canonical etc. should put some weight on hardware manufacturers to release OSS drivers.

Second thing, I couldn't understand the comparison between Compiz and Aero! You say Compiz is Aero + x + y + z. Then you say x,y,z is useless and so Aero is better?!!! (Or mebbe I got it worng?) Compiz does everything Aero does and more with less resources. Whatever you don't want can be turned off. I'm confused as to what you wanna say....

UAC is a badly twisted and horribly implemented form of "sudo". Unix and derivatives ask for password only for admin. related tasks not like Vista which asks your "permission" when you move your mouse!! (Hehe.. I know its a bit exaggerated but UAC is just like that!)

Internet connection is a must: Only if you use "restricted" software and codecs or if you don't haf the DVD version or a distro like Mint!

How can you compare a "700MB" Ubuntu install to a full blown "2.53GB" Vista install?

IMHO these are the "bads" (not of any specific distro but a Linux system as a whole)

1) As I said companies like Novell (who make desktop oriented distros like SLED) are not doing enough to get the hardware manufacturers release Linux drivers.

2) No standard messenger service with Voice and Cam support (I know Gyach supports it but it has a long way to go)

3) Better out of box font support

4) More user friendly Bluetooth configuration

5) Better interface for OpenOffice (We don't want more features but improve the interface)

Can you think of any other "real" bad???

[Faun]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

Lolz.. from your first post I can see only the first point: Synaptic as the good. Rest of the "good"s are posted as "bad"s!!!

I agree with you on Driver support. Companies like Novell, Canonical etc. should put some weight on hardware manufacturers to release OSS drivers.

Second thing, I couldn't understand the comparison between Compiz and Aero! You say Compiz is Aero + x + y + z. Then you say x,y,z is useless and so Aero is better?!!! (Or mebbe I got it worng?) Compiz does everything Aero does and more with less resources. Whatever you don't want can be turned off. I'm confused as to what you wanna say....

UAC is a badly twisted and horribly implemented form of "sudo". Unix and derivatives ask for password only for admin. related tasks not like Vista which asks your "permission" when you move your mouse!! (Hehe.. I know its a bit exaggerated but UAC is just like that!)

Internet connection is a must: Only if you use "restricted" software and codecs or if you don't haf the DVD version or a distro like Mint!

How can you compare a "700MB" Ubuntu install to a full blown "2.53GB" Vista install?

IMHO these are the "bads" (not of any specific distro but a Linux system as a whole)

1) As I said companies like Novell (who make desktop oriented distros like SLED) are not doing enough to get the hardware manufacturers release Linux drivers.

2) No standard messenger service with Voice and Cam support (I know Gyach supports it but it has a long way to go)

3) Better out of box font support

4) More user friendly Bluetooth configuration

5) Better interface for OpenOffice (We don't want more features but improve the interface)

Can you think of any other "real" bad???

nicely explained + and - points

[drgrudge]

Why is there a fuss for the MP3 playing capabilities? I would like to know if Vista can play XViD (or some other codecs) out of the box?


Regarding relaxing rules in this section. That's a myth. I'll close this thread or ban any user, if things gets out of hand in fight club as well.

[iMav]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

Why is there a fuss for the MP3 playing capabilities? I would like to know if Vista can play XViD (or some other codecs) out of the box?

abey woh koi os nahi chala sakta ... os x and windows have mp3 playback and hence i kept it to mp3 in my post ...

and for relaxed rules in fight club:

an excerpt from my discussion with raaabo when i was banned

Originally Posted by raaabo

It's about you looking to start arguements in forums other than fight club,

now what do u make of this statement

[drgrudge]

Originally Posted by iMav

abey woh koi os nahi chala sakta ... os x and windows have mp3 playback and hence i kept it to mp3 in my post ...

and for relaxed rules in fight club:

an excerpt from my discussion with raaabo when i was banned

now what do u make of this statement

Most of the users will want to play XViD as well and not restrict to MP3 alone. Just because they don't have a net connection, it might not mean they won't look for ways to play the files or term it as OS's limitation.


I don't know in what context Raaabo posted that. Also allowing arguments doesn't mean that rules are not in place. Whatever be the case, what I said will hold true.

[iMav]

grudgy please i dont want any 1 banned ... we all know what happens when an OS is reviewed ...

[praka123]

I think imav wants OS X,Ubuntu and all other Operating systems in the world to be like Windows dude!first unlearn ur windows ways.may be i can help u if u read below link:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
Linux is NOT Windows!

[iMav]

Originally Posted by praka123

:

Linux is NOT Windows!

neither is it better grudgy yaar ... isko fight club mein rakho please ... abhi gx ko aana hai uska dimag bhi mint kharab kiya hai ...

The next issue arises when people do expect Linux to be different, but find that some differences are just too radical for their liking. Probably the biggest example of this is the sheer amount of choice available to Linux users. Whereas an out-of-the-box-Windows user has the Classic or XP desktop with Wordpad, Internet Explorer, and Outlook Express installed, an out-of-the-box-Linux user has hundreds of distros to choose from, then Gnome or KDE or Fluxbox or whatever, with vi or emacs or kate, Konqueror or Opera or Firefox or Mozilla, and so on and so forth.

A Windows user isn't used to making so many choices just to get up & running. Exasperated "Does there have to be so much choice?" posts are very common.

when windows came out with 5 different versions of vista the whole world came down on them sying wtf 5 versions ppl will go mad this and that ... double standards

Linux started out "By geeks, for geeks." And even today, the majority of established Linux users are self-confessed geeks.

just goes out to say that its not for normal use which windows is

Old: You have to build the car out of the bricks. That's the whole point of Lego.

i loved lego as a matter of fact i still do love it i got many sets of lego but u cant compare linux to lego lego is for a whole different purpose and an OS for a whole different purpose .... (but this guy has a point which me and gx have been trying to tell u that unless linux does radical changes it cannot take over windows as a more acceptable os coz as the author said abv its geeky and freaky)

ab aagey ka padhne ko pak raha hai ... fir kabhie

@grudgy ................. move man move (the topic)

[The_Devil_Himself]

please iMav stop comparing windows and Linux cos there is no match,one is made by communities for themselves and for any other who cares to use it and is absolutely free of cost and other is made by a big greedy company and costs us a bomb.

IMO you should just post whatever you liked/disliked in ubuntu gutsy gibbon without comparing it to windows and OS X without giving any verdict cos we all have used windows and ubuntu and we know what exactly the pros and cons are.Make it a review not a comparison chart.


I was googling something today and when I clicked on a page a pop-up came up which said "you have decided to save setup.exe" yes/no and I was laughing like hell.The website was trying to install malicious code in my PC....rofl...I wanted to tell those fuggers that I am on Linux.

[iMav]

it is a review but has "references" to features in vista and os x as it is i actually wanted to write an article in the way the OSS guys write about vista being useless and how linux is better

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by exx_2000

Even with UAC Microsoft has done a horrible job of securing its new Operating system. Not to mention I wonder where Microsoft suddenly got the idea of securing system tasks.

How is it horrible?

Linux have its share of problems as well. Being in tech support Ive seen my share of nasty WIndow Problems so please don't say that there are less bugs in WIndows or MS Software....

What is equivalent to Safe Mode in Linux?

Compiz does everything Aero does and more with less resources. Whatever you don't want can be turned off. I'm

Don't think so, even compiz requires good enough system requirment to run at full potential.

was googling something today and when I clicked on a page a pop-up came up

Those are things of past now here

Linux mint for me is very bad even on Virtual Machine. I m using it on Virtual box in which a VM install of XP works superb fine, but mint is crashing even in VM...lolz. I mean, VM...comon...now either Mint Sux or VirtualBox sux

Oh! both are OSS software

[bibjee]

I would rather download a 500KB MP3 Codec from the internet and install it in ubuntu than pay 200$ for windows

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

I was googling something today and when I clicked on a page a pop-up came up which said "you have decided to save setup.exe" yes/no and I was laughing like hell.The website was trying to install malicious code in my PC....rofl...I wanted to tell those fuggers that I am on Linux.

This is another reason why i like linux.

There is no comparision. its a matter of personal choise. you want to use linux, use linux and if you want to use windows , use windows .

[mediator]

DeJa Vu !!

[The_Devil_Himself]

^^lolzzzz.exactly.

[FilledVoid]

3. User Security: When Vista was launched people cursed its User security option which made u enter ur password before doing certain system specific taks also known as UAC - i was surprised rather more than surprised to find it bugging me in Ubuntu (the same thing is there in OS X Tiger also) - so dont see any reason why VIsta's UAC was so much of a stupid feature even though it gave u the option of dis-abling it unlike ubuntu and tiger

How is it horrible?

Do you say Microsoft uses this as a security feature or not? Cause I'm confused and so is Microsoft obviously cause they don't obviously believe it to be a measure to enhance security. Hence it doesn't provide security at all. Therefore I believe I proved my statement that "It has done a horrible job of securing the OS as is" I don't know about the beta SP1 or whatever they come out with. If I'm wrong please be free to explain to me why I'm wrong.

What is equivalent to Safe Mode in Linux?

Am I the only one who has recovery mode on my computer ? Or are you looking for some System restore functionality?

Don't think so, even compiz requires good enough system requirement to run at full potential.

As far as I know there are many low end computer users that use Compiz.

Linux mint for me is very bad even on Virtual Machine. I m using it on Virtual box in which a VM install of XP works superb fine, but mint is crashing even in VM...lolz. I mean, VM...comon...now either Mint Sux or VirtualBox sux

Wow what an educated statement. Let me try the same Lolz 111!!! One!! I mean dude Vista crashes for me so obviously it is some sorry excuse for a piece of garbage.

As someone earlier mentioned before, the content on this boards have changed to levels I'd rather not discuss. Wishing to have a good discussion is something of the past I guess.

[Cyrus_the_virus]

First off, I don't think that this can even be classified as a review, because, first of all, it's in the Fight club which makes his intentions clear, secondly, @Imav seems to do a comparitive evaluation check with Vista rather than doing a clean minded Review of the test subject.

Originally Posted by iMav

2. Compiz Fusion: use it to impress ur Girl-Friends and they will go all O ur a genious with Comps and trust me they will say u are Indian Bill Gates also u can use it to make ur siblings happy show them some good magic; but most of compiz features also suck out ur comp resources and are actually of no productive use - using these features u will hardly be able to use ur OS blur effects; slow motion all these are of no practical use

You surely can use it to impress your girl-friend which you can't do with Aero!

Seriously however, the reason you've seen it so far to be non-productive is because you havent done anything productive on the OS to say so. From your review, it shows that you've just installed it and done the few basic dependency installs and haven't at all run any kind of productivity tests. You really want to see how productive compiz is? then open multiple windows of different programs and when i mean multiple, I mean without the fear of they clogging up your taskbar, and try to use the window and multiple desktop navigation and you'll come to know how easy and faster it is to navigate between them. It helps especially those lazy couchpotato browsers who don't want to move their hand upto the keyboard to do ALT+TAB and just use the mouse to instantaneously move between them.

Originally Posted by iMav

3. Office Inbuilt: Yup though its not as good as some other packages available it is still better to have a package than having a trial or none at all, though iv read on this forum itself a member had problems when he created a Open Office ppt and viewed it in Powerpoint - big problems and that too just before his presentation

How many times does a powerpoint presentation made in MS Powerpoint when opened in Openoffice doesn't create a problem? There are standard compatibility issues but if your friend don't take those into consideration while preparing his slide, then things will undoubtedly look ugly. Besides, why is it that you again do a comparitive test evaluation with respect of Office to know how good Openoffice is rather than just testing the product standalone? I agree it's not the best but if you look at what it's meant to do, it does it well enough. Your friend created his presentation on it the way he wanted it, but when he opened it in Powerpoint is when he faced the issue which clearly shows you that Openoffice is capable of doing what the user wants but MS Powerpoint has compatibility issues with Openoffice and not the other way around.

Originally Posted by iMav

4. Cant think of anymore

Like I mentioned before, that's because you haven't spent enough time reviewing the procuct that you have enough data to write a review! You have just installed it and done the very basics, no productivity tests, no alternative review tests, nothing. So, you need to spend atleast a week doing what you normally do on your beloved OS(Vista I guess) to see if there is change in your productivity and to really write a review.

Did you even realise that you didn't have to install your motherboard drivers, your graphics drivers and what ever other system drivers normally your XP or Vista computer would need you to do before you start using it? Did you forget that positive? Maybe you overlooked that because you never had to do it in the first place.

Do you realise that your webcam, your bluetooth devices and maybe your printer or scanner just starts working after you plug it in and you dont' have to waste your time trying to install them? Maybe you overlooked this positive as well. You see, like I said, you haven't spent enought time to even be eligible to write a review.

Originally Posted by iMav

1. A not at all Comparable to Windows out-of-the-box experience: No mp3 for whatever reason; a music player is bundled but mp3 plugins are downloaded for the 'supposed' video player

Reason for no Mp3 support has been mentioned by others already. However, you should be aware that the reason XP or Vista is able to play Mp3's out of the box is because of Windows Media Player which as you all might be aware that EU courts struck down stating unethical strategies. So, as far as Windows in EU is considered, I don't think XP or Vista can play Mp3 out of the box(Correct me if I'm wrong). So, if you think that point makes it any bit inferior, then you're wrong.

Originally Posted by iMav

2. Internet Conx is a Must: If u dont have a net conx u can pretty much do nothing on ur box - no plugins no video no music which i really find funny considering the fact that people have labelled this as the Vista killer OS, u need to download so many libraries; dependencies so much just to make sure that it works

NO, INTERNET CONECTION IS NOT A MUST! See, I told you, you haven't spent enought time with it to realize what it's actually about.

Do you even realise that you get DVD distros which go upto 4.7GB's which have all the required libraries and additional softwares where you wouldn't even need an internet connection?

Also, do you even know that there is something called Apt-on-CD which you can get from literally anyone who has the same version of Ubuntu with already upto date files?

Besides, how do you expect to operate Vista or XP stabily without an internet connection? How would you download all the thousands of updates that MS asks you to install some of which break the system and very few of which install without your permssion? Wouldn't you want an internet connection for that? And BTW, why are you even cribbing about an internet connection when majority of the people who own computers have an internet connection, wake up, this is not 1998, this is 2007 end. Even if you required an internet connection atleast a Dialup would be sufficient enough to download the updates. Wait, you didn't test that, then how can you comment.

Originally Posted by iMav

3. User Security: When Vista was launched people cursed its User security option which made u enter ur password before doing certain system specific taks also known as UAC - i was surprised rather more than surprised to find it bugging me in Ubuntu (the same thing is there in OS X Tiger also) - so dont see any reason why VIsta's UAC was so much of a stupid feature even though it gave u the option of dis-abling it unlike ubuntu and tiger

It asks you the password only for performing admin related tasks and you can increase the time period for how long you would like it to leave open. For example if you leave the time to 1min, if you try to perform more than 1 admin tasks within 1min, it will just ask you for the password once. If you leave it for 5 mins, it will ask you for the password only once in 5 mins if you carry out an administrative tasks. See, you haven't spent enought time testing it to even comment on something that you haven't seen.

Besides, it doesn't ask you for a password for literally each and everything you perform like acknowledging permission for file name change in Vista! Gosh! WTF?

Originally Posted by iMav

4. Drivers Support: Now let me be clear i dont blame Ubuntu developers for this at all but when u compare urself to something like windows this plays a major role - huge lack of driver support and even though drivers are sometimes avialable there are weird problems while installing it

When Windows loyalist keep begging not to blame Vista for lack of it's software and hardware compatibility there is no point even remotely coming close to saying that it's the Opersource communities fault! For eg: Although there are several thousand yahoo users trying to use yahoo IM on Ubuntu, Yahoo has hardly bothered to develop their IM for this platform. They have a working version but that's really outdated! How much money or time would it take them to make a working Yahoo IM for Linux, it already exists, they just need to work on it, it's not something new that they need to make, alas, they give a darn and the OSS community suffers! although there are several diferent working IM's for yahoo but not fully compatible with voice and audio due to Yahoo's propietry video streaming format I guess(not sure)

Originally Posted by iMav

5. No BSODs/Crash Reason: Now every1 curses bsods calling them stupid MS flaws but for some reason if u come to think about getting a BSOD is much better than having ur machine frozen and u actually not knowing that it has frozen and what caused it to freeze

Well, no one bothered to make a BSOD because it hardly crashes. Since you've been doing a comparitive analysis all along, why don't you compare the no. of Windows crashes with Ubuntu? I can assure you that they will be at a 1:8 ratio or higher which means Ubuntu might crash 1 time will windows crashes 8 times within the same time period with the similar amount of work on the same hardware. So why bother wasting time creating a BSOD????

Besides, can you please enlighten me as to why my XP restarts iteself with no error message, no BSOD, no nothin, It just restarts itself when it wants when I'm in the middle of doing something.. hmmmm.. I wonder why? Don't come back and tell me my hardware has some problem. Let me enlighten you that my Ubuntu install works just fine with no troubles like Windows.

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well said Cyrus now people knows the usability factor of Linux and OSS