MohanDas Gandhi was the one who brought us freedom??

[Quiz_Master]

I don't know if I am picking a controversial topic..Sorry If I am...

But People always says the Mahatma Gandhi did so much for us..Call him Bapu and so on... I've seen people believeing in him like some kind of God...
OK he did something for India but He was not the only one. Why people don't Remember and talk about Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose , Bhagat Singh ChandraShekhar Azad as much as they do for MohanDas Gandhi..

There were so much things negetive about that man...

What are your views?

My exact Question is :

Is it OK to give all credit of freedom to MohanDas Gandhi?

[Arsenal_Gunners]

WWII gave us our freedom.

[Gigacore]

he was not the only one... there are lot of others behind him..

its just like.. bill gates is the one who found M$... but we exactly dont know how many are behind him

[sachin_kothari]

He was one of them and had his unique way (i dont agree of it).
There were others also as Quiz_Master mentioned them.
I also agree with Arsenal_Gunners that WW2 was in a way helpful for us to get our freedom.

[SunnyChahal]

NO NO NO,he was responsible for the death of Bhagat Singh,Rajguru and Sukhdev.
Nathuram did right.We all know what he did.
Netaji Subhash,Pt,Jawaharlal Nehru and Chandrashekhar Azad as u mentioned played a major role in our independence.
Satyagrahas didnt do any gud.
I totally oppose Gandhi.
whatever anyone says.

@sachin-yaar thread quiz_master ne start kiya hai qwerty ne nahi.

[karnivore]

Originally Posted by Arsenal_Gunners

WWII gave us our freedom.

1000000000% correct.

Read some Gopalacharya and u will find the logics all laid out. However i did not like the way he dismissed Netaji's contribution.

Yes Gandhiji, did pay his role. But to give all the credit to him is, well........i don't know, insulting all other freedom fighters.

[sachin_kothari]

Originally Posted by abtom

@sachin-yaar thread quiz_master ne start kiya hai qwerty ne nahi.

OOPS! Edited.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Btw. It is not the fault of MK Gandhi if people give credit to him.
Personally I respect him.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

Gandhi was just an opportunist , Jinnah was better and efficient than Gandhi ,
there are many works of gandhi which are questionable

[REY619]

I agree with abtom. And i hate Gandhi.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

Nehru and Gandhi two biggest villains of India , made mess of this country ...

[NucleusKore]

I've read Gandhi's Autobiography (official as published by Gandhi foundation). In that he says it pains him that people call him the mahatma. And yet we "respect" him by calling him EXACTLY THAT. You can get a copy at your local bookstore of The Story of my Experiments with Truth by MK Gandhi. Nice book, he is quite honest in it.

[gaurav_indian]

I have seen some people abusing Mahatama Gandhi.And i have also heard that Jawaharlal Nehru was also not liked by many people.

[NucleusKore]

I wouldn't want to abuse him. He was a pacifist and played his role in the freedom struggle. At the same time we cannot over glorify him. Once you read his book you will realize that he was a little eccentric too. I guess the line between genius and insanity is very thin

As for nehru, well it is said that he died of tertiary syphilis affecting his aorta. Unfortunately no one likes to talk about these things. Just google for
nehru syphilis
You'll be surprised

[bharat_r]

Ya it was the WW 2. Britain had lost heavily in the war. They couldn't sustain the colonies. So they were on a de-colonizing spree.

[CadCrazy]

I hate gandhi. Give all credit to GARAM DAL for freedom. Aazadi haath jodne se nahin milti uske liye ladna padta hai.

[praka123]

it was mainly WWII as someone earlier said -that speeds up freedom for India(and Pak).
Now the opposite is happening Indians&p0kis are flooding Europe and esp Britain(and british are really pissed off by us !)
@nucleuskore:I do remember the photo showing Nehru acting so romantic to lure Mount Batton's wife.
and amazed to hear that he died of syphilis!

[Quiz_Master]

Oh my Oh my...

I can't believe so many of you have thinking like me on this matter. Actually I posted this because in my class everyone is like "Gandhi Bhakt" so I wanted to get some solid points against all this "Gandhi was only one" crap...

What I think is MohanDas Gandhi actually slow down our independence. Not even that there were some big faults in his character :

1.) The Indian National Congress wanted Sardar Vallabhai Patel to lead Independent India but he was asked by Gandhi to not to stand for the same as he wanted Jawarharlal Nehru to be India's first leader.
Patel was much suited candidate.

2.) Gandhi didn't approve Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose because Gandhi considered his methods as "not adhering to his concept of Ahimsa". This leader thus didn't get much support from the Indian National Congress because of this attitude on Gandhi's part.
Later he formed the Indian National Army and fought against the British in the Second World War. And you all allready said the importance of WWII in our freedom.

3.) Whats more... We know how violent and cruel Hitler was. Still Gandhi called him, "My Beloved Brother". Gandhi never seemed to have realised the great danger that Nazism represented for humanity.
Read the 13th para here
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/13india.htm
(Or read the whole article, Its an eye opener.)

4.) One of the main reasons why Hindu fundamentalists were against Gandhi was due to the fact while Gandhi was prompt in his protest and criticism of Hindu violence against Moslems in India, he didn't even protest or censure the Pakistani government or the Moslems concerning violence against Hindus.

5.) Nothuram Godse's statement at his trial can be read HERE.
There he said

Gandhi is being referred to as the Father of the Nation. But if that
is so, he had failed his paternal duty inasmuch as he has acted very
treacherously to the nation by his consenting to the partitioning of it.

Exactly. Who father will want his son/daughter to cut it in half.

Enough Said ~~

Gandhi was not a hero he was a common man who contributed to this country as much as any common man did that time(Well he contributed even less then a common man). And he shouldn't get all that attention he is getting.

(Sorry if what I said hurt anyone... But what I said is true facts... Google it )

[Faun]

so now people like digging grave again ?

[NucleusKore]

Originally Posted by bharat_r

Ya it was the WW 2. Britain had lost heavily in the war. They couldn't sustain the colonies. So they were on a de-colonizing spree.

There also was a change of government to Labour in UK

[cynosure]

I dont know how much true is the story which I am going to present. But this was told to me by a friend of mine who lives in Allahabad, the same city in which Chandrashekhar Azad commited suicide. The same place nowdays is called "shaheed park" and its located not far away from the residence of Pandit Nehru; " Anand Bhawan". The story was told to my friend by an old watchman of anand bhawan.

When the police was after Azad, he went to Nehru's house and asked for his help. But Nehru asked Azad to go out of his house as the former never wanted police to enter his house. He therefore, sent chandrashekar azad out of his house to the streets outside. It was that time when Azad went to the park and commited suicide (with the last bullet of his gun).

I dont know how much truth is there in the story and I do not guarantee about any facts but if it is to be believed, then its worth a tale.

[The Outsider]

gandhi and nehru were "politicians", i think that sums it up

[narangz]

^^
+1

[praka123]

but...M K Gandhi -his ideologies are still respected(ahimsa esp) around the world.

[nightcrawler]

To an extent Gandhi gave British some trouble. But giving him full credit for the independence was non-sense. The most influential factor was world war II obviously so in effect Hitler is responsible for India's independence .
People like Gandhi and Nehru were shrewd politicians. Gandhi should not be given so much credit that he gets. It is the current set of politicians that have projected him as a great national icon and a hero for their peronal agendas. I would not say that what Godse did was correct but Gandhi was definetely not the Hero that he is projected to be. Infact all the other people get masked because of him.
It is said that the people who enjoy the credit of any deed are not really the people who necessarily do the deed,
Anyways I have respect for him.

[praka123]

Originally Posted by nightcrawler

It is the current set of politicians that have projected him as a great national icon and a hero for their peronal agendas

It is us who are studying Gandhi's life in young classes.for me atleast i remember "memoirs of gandhi" which i had studied in 8th or so.

[nightcrawler]

Exactly. Thats the point, I mean why are we told about Gandhi again and again and again when there are other Historic Events happening in the world as well. Why is not it being changed? If you personally wish to study more about Gandhi that is fine but I for one remember here in Mumbai from standard 3rd I think or 4th to 10 we have had 3 or 4 encounters of Gandhi and 'His Freedom Struggle' when we could have studied more recent events in History or other events for example Chinese Civ or American Independence or Russian Civil War in more details.

[praka123]

even better the reality behind "Moplah rebellion,wagon tragedy" or "Khilafath Movement" -in kerala how many hindu's are looted and killed and converted
^^^we are taught in kerala that these are all "freedom struggles" but the reality is killing our own people.why cant the gov shows the power to get reality in history for kids
sry if it is offtopic.kids are learning wrong info. britishers are enemy for a particular area and for some religion.but in Travancore-Cochin states atleast it was british who saved from satanic ,Hyder ali,tippu from looting and conversion which they did in malabar also lot of developments and english education.i am not justifying british.

[nightcrawler]

It all comes down to the politicans and their wants and vote bank politics. This selective masking of history, glorifying certain things which are not necessary and not giving out the truth or falsification of truth or withholdng some information. It is for the people to see this things but most of the times politicans are successful in their motives and people become easily blinded. I hope that exposure to Internet opens people's eyes to real truth. Although Internet has been used to exploit and not necessarily everything on Internet and Wikipedia is true.

[krazzy]

I had read a book written on the life of Nathuram Godse. It was written such that it felt like his autobiography. In that book it was written how he grew up and feelings for his country developed in him. And then when he came to know of Gandhi. There are some facts in that book that you'll never hear any where. He tells that he respected Gandhi for all the good he done. But he also knew that if Gandhi continued, he'll do more harm than good. Therefore he thought, to save his country, he must take some action and decided to kill gandhi. Also throughout the book, he referred to Gandhi's murder as 'Gandhi Vadh'. When you kill someone bad for a good reason and for everyones benefit, its called 'Vadh' in hindi/marathi.

He also mentiones, that although Gandhi wore a dhoti saying many people in india have no money for clothes, he also had a goat outside his house to get fresh goat milk which he had everyday with various expensive dry fruits, like almonds, etc. He also had a daily oil massage for his body. He also lead a pretty lavish life. All this was seen by Nathuram by his own eyes.

The biggest eye opener that i read in the book, the one which has been taught in school since ages, was the fact that Gandhi said "Hey Ram" before dying. Nathuram said that he was a few feet away when he died and if Gandhi had indeed said anything of that sort, he would've been the first to hear. But he said the Gandhi only made small sound (he had described the sound in the book, however i do not remember it) and then collapsed. It was the congress people who then spread the idea that Gandhi said "Hey Ram".

There are several such dirty secrets of our so-called Father of our nation in the book, however i do not remember it. Reading it did nothing else but fill me with hatred for Gandhi, for what he really was and what he was made out to be. The book was in Marathi named 'Sagara Agasti Alaa'. If anyone of you can read marathi, i definitely recommend you read this book. Its definitely an eye opener.