I dont like linux

[$$Gururaj$$]

i mean it doesnt have enough programs written for it.. is also a pain to install.. then why use it in the first place? what is the purpose of using linux when we have windows. If you want a free operating system..there are pirated versions of windows. I dont want to pick up a debate.. i need a real good answer as to why use linux?

[QwertyManiac]

To get a life. Period. There are enough threads here already.

Its like some sort of a monthly series here. 5 like it, 1 hates it and the rest who're as wise as the liking ones don't bother. I don't know what more to say about the hater people.

They probably think Linux is still DOS style. With green text on black screens and that you got to be a guy with glasses and pimples all over your face to be able to use it.

But seriously, at 1:38 in the morning, you definitely got to fit that description! You definitely need Linux.

And now, getting to the 'details'.

First I need proof of this:

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

doesn't have enough programs written for it

Its like a big joke cause most of the haters said that Linux has too much stuff for them to handle. Meh.

Next up is:

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

pain to install

If you prefer the eye-burning blue screen of XP installation, I can't argue with you on this. Installing Linux (Referring to Ubuntu here) is a six-step procedure with no need to "Press D to delete". Its all Next, Next and Next with your mouse cursor.

I know you'd wanna argue that Vista has a nice installer BUT how's linux installation been for 3 years now? Hah!

And next:

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

purpose of using Linux when we have windows

Added along with:

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

there are pirated versions of windows

Freedom. Yeah small word eh? has a big meaning to it, which you probably didn't understand so far. Don't think you will.

Do you know how your favorite application works in Windows? Felt the need of modifying some particularly nagging behavior? But I guess you get used to such efficiency reducing behavior of certain software than going for something else. Which is where configuration files of Open Source software help, awesome flexibility. Freedom, just an example of.

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

I don't want to pick up a debate

It comes to that eventually, considering your tall claims of difficulty and unavailability of software.

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

i need a real good answer as to why use linux

This should help. Or not.

[desai_amogh]

^ absolutely.... .. ha ha ..

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

i mean it doesnt have enough programs written for it..

like for example???? can you name some category which has a dearth of programs, except of corz games?

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

is also a pain to install..

yes, from the PoV of a longtime windows user who is trying out linux for the first time by dual booting and has never installed windows.

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

then why use it in the first place? what is the purpose of using linux when we have windows.

did anyone force you to use linux when you had windows? who the heck was it? temme his name. i'll trash him rite away for giving you such a stupid suggestion!!

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

If you want a free operating system..there are pirated versions of windows.

bingo! what a reason to NOT use FOSS. go tell this to MS!

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

i need a real good answer as to why use linux?

this question can be best answered by urself!

cheers

[QwertyManiac]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

did anyone force you to use linux when you had windows? who the heck was it? temme his name. i'll trash him rite away for giving you such a stupid suggestion!!

Height of Freedom

[$$Gururaj$$]

Originally Posted by QwertyManiac

To get a life. Period. There are enough threads here already.

Its like some sort of a monthly series here. 5 like it, 1 hates it and the rest who're as wise as the liking ones don't bother. I don't know what more to say about the hater people.

They probably think Linux is still DOS style. With green text on black screens and that you got to be a guy with glasses and pimples all over your face to be able to use it.

But seriously, at 1:38 in the morning, you definitely got to fit that description! You definitely need Linux.

And now, getting to the 'details'.

First I need proof of this:
Its like a big joke cause most of the haters said that Linux has too much stuff for them to handle. Meh.

Next up is:
If you prefer the eye-burning blue screen of XP installation, I can't argue with you on this. Installing Linux (Referring to Ubuntu here) is a six-step procedure with no need to "Press D to delete" type of switch case coding. Its all Next, Next and Next.

And next:
Added along with:Freedom. Yeah small word eh? has a big meaning to it, which you probably didn't understand so far. Don't think you will.

Do you know how your favorite application works in Windows? Felt the need of modifying some particularly nagging behavior? But I guess you get used to such efficiency reducing behavior of certain software than going for something else. Which is where configuration files of Open Source software help, awesome flexibility. Freedom, just an example of.

It comes to that eventually, considering your tall claims of difficulty and unavailability of software.

This should help. Or not.

1) well only ubuntu has a easy install thing.. but not all linux systems aint it? do you want me to list them?.. i think you know them anyways.

2) well my photoshop doesnt run on linux, also my games.

3) I say nerds are wasting their time on linux.. when they should be concentrating on learning windows first and going to linux later.

^ absolutely.. the last line of ur reply made me laugh like hell .. he deserves it.. ha ha ..

why did i deserve it? did i do something wrong bro. Dont be rude dude.. you have absolutely no right to do so.

[QwertyManiac]

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

1) well only ubuntu has a easy install thing.. but not all linux systems aint it? do you want me to list them?.. i think you know them anyways.

2) well my photoshop doesnt run on linux, also my games.

3) I say nerds are wasting their time on linux.. when they should be concentrating on learning windows first and going to linux later.

1. Yeah list them out, I don't know of nor have encountered any distribution with installation difficulties. AFAIK, all you need is free space and it partitions that automatically. This's been there always.

You face difficulties dual-booting as infra_red_dude said but if you just make a partition empty in Windows (Preferablly the last one), installation is gonna be a breeze.

2. Adobe doesn't care coding it for Linux, its not the OS's fault now is it? And if you're into gaming, don't consider running Linux. Its not made for that and vice versa.

By the way, GIMP sure does offer a near complete replacement to Photoshop on Linux/OSS front but the catch is its interface. You'll need some time getting used to it, but that's a small price to pay as the power of GIMP's scripting feature is really good and its far easier than Adobe's scripting, being Python, as an example.

3. Why? What's so 'Geeky' about Windows? A messy registry? Unwanted Reverse Engineering? But that's beyond the scope of our newbie friendly discussion here. I was just making a sarcastic remark there, not to be taken seriously. Didn't mean it either.

[infra_red_dude]

i won't bother replying to the whole post but those who complain about gimp confusing them (photoshop users) should install gimpshop. it converts most of the menus/interface options etc. to the ones in photoshop. so 95% of the times you find the option under the same menu in gimp as in photoshop.

offtopic: how many software do you legally own? windows? photoshop?

[desai_amogh]

why did i deserve it? did i do something wrong bro. Dont be rude dude.. you have absolutely no right to do so.

the post is edited as it was no loger the last line of QwertManiac's reply...

And btw i said u deserve it coz.. u kept on bashing linux for reasons which r completely wrong .. & the height was when u said Pirated versions of windows r better than Foss ...

& its not a point of debate..
ha ha.. cool..

[praka123]

.....as to why use linux?

apart from freedom it offers and FOSS,Linux is the kernel which is superior to Windows Vista or arguably Mac OS X.
Why NOT Windows?must be answered first.the more u pirate and use windows,more this monopoly makes us slaves of their ideas and "new" so called formats.
http://getgnulinux.org explains this things.hope u read.

Ubuntu is good mainly for the package management.one thing in GNU/Linux is the package manager downloads and installs packages you select.unlike searching in web for each and every app.
below reply quoted from slashdot.org can help you:

Microsoft has been scanning the horizon to ensure that no one begins to kick at the blocks that prop up their monopoly. They are constantly looking for new ways to create more blocks. Some of these blocks are directx, drm, application/windows APIs, network interoperability (or the lack thereof), WGA/WGN lie, FUD, patents. Writing for OpenGL means you are writing for multiple platforms which gives a greater overall share.

Another new block is DRM. Yes they have had DRM in their product in one fashion or another for decades--copy protection on software back in the 80s, activation keys in the 90s. The WGN/WGA lie in the 00's is a psychological game meant to make the consumer less in control but to give them a feeling they are being protected. They are essentially forcing the consumer to allow Microsoft to spy on them under the guise of protecting the consumer from organized pirating--this is the fundamental lie. The average consumer is already covered because they generally purchase from the likes of Dell, Gateway, etc. Only a small percentage of sales are from systems integrators and the odds of getting one that is dishonest is even more minuscule. Today it is the essential arm-twisting/drafting of the hardware manufacturers to comply with their draconian DRM/CRM procedures.

Their APIs, not just DirectX, are also locking blocks, that block you from other platform development. Most companies don't have the time to learn multiple platform APIs in order to develop software. Apple recognized this (well NeXt computers did) when they were creating their development tools. Another block they use today are patents. Microsoft is not making a patent portfolio to protect itself, it is making it to prop up the monopoly and to attack competitors such as Linux. Software APIs for productivity applications aren't the barrier they once were. You can see that they will, over time, become less and less important as more and more programs build up for the competitor's platform. Since that form is diminishing there must be other ways for Microsoft to lock you into their platform. Gaming is a key API that they can change regularly. If they can keep changing the gaming API regularly then no entity can conceivably create a 100% compatible layer for other platforms. That's another reason why it is just silly to have game developers writing for directx instead of for OpenGL.

Networking interoperability is another key block that Microsoft uses to block migration from Windows to other platforms. If the interoperability is difficult or impossible even over the short term, large, medium, and small companies will very likely decline migration to Linux (or even OSX).

Patents and FUD seem to go hand in hand. Microsoft knows that if they say enough negative about Linux and threaten enough that migration will be slowed. If they create enough of a patent portfolio that will also slow development as competitors are constantly attempting to figure out what they can legally do and what they can't. DRM is similar in that it can't be copied and used in competitors platforms. The DMCA destroys all hope of that, at least if the user wants to stay 100% legal.

I don't know what the current installed base of Linux is and I'm sure most developers don't either. My estimate is that it is somewhere between 10 and 50 million computers.

When you use all of these together, including FUD and attempting to hide the sheer number of Linux (or any competitors true numbers) you can see how strong these blocks are. It only takes companies and individuals to start knocking more of these blocks out faster to bring down the monopoly. It isn't just having a product or even advertising your product or even giving it away for free. It is in ensuring that the right technologies are used and that enough blocks are kicked out that are supporting that monopoly.

Microsoft is scared shitless over this. They have huge monetary investments that rely on their Windows monopoly to fund them. Microsoft has no intention of getting rid of DRM. They only want to make it so that their major competitor in the arena of music is chopped down. Apple hold the market with the iPod and iTunes because of that DRM and if Microsoft can get everyone buying their products instead of Apple's knowing that they aren't locked in Microsoft can exert much greater advertising in order to overcome Apple's lead--not necessarily overnight but in much shorter order. Everyone knows DRM is a locking mechanism. You have an iPod you are stuck with it if you purchase music from Apple's store. That's a great thing for Apple. It is a highly negative thing for Microsoft. Once Microsoft takes over the digital music market then DRM will be back, in some devious way, a way they are planning for right now.

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.p...d&cid=18696149
and
Why do we upgrade to Vista?why do we accept EULA's?Vista contains DRM(restrictions management or a rootkit inside ur os controlled by ppl at redmond&co).
http://badwindowsvista.com
http://badvista.fsf.org
Microsoft is like a blockade for innovations.also there are lot of anti-trust cases against them for their monopoly to forcing their apps.
Infact in states like Kerala and few other states are completely moving to Linux.as it is got better future than microsoft's crippled os called Vista.many wants to downgrade and use XP instead is showing the reality.

UNIX and UNIX-like Operating Systems are essentially superior than DOS or windows.UNIX infact is more than 30 yrs old and that base or unix-like principles are used in alternate OS like FreeBSD or GNU/Linux.
So no virues(few worms exists),spywares,malwares lost their chance with UNIX-like OS's.AV's like Kaspersky are frustrated understanding that they cannot get AV market for UNIX-like Linux etc.

another thing is GNU/Linux is an open source community where each users help others unlike M$ paid support.

the last word stands with Open Source Software is Freedom and innovative.
Hope you understands and welcomes to use Linux or BSD's.
UNIX is a trademark holded by the opengroup.

[mehulved]

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

i mean it doesnt have enough programs written for it.. is also a pain to install.. then why use it in the first place? what is the purpose of using linux when we have windows. If you want a free operating system..there are pirated versions of windows. I dont want to pick up a debate.. i need a real good answer as to why use linux?

It's simple enough. If you don't like it, don't use it. Stop trolling. Don't we already have enough trolls on the forum?
Everyone has different expectations from his/her computer usage and learning. If windows helps you there, great - keep on using windows and learn what you need to the best of your ability.
Others prefer linux and other *nix systems, which can teach us things which cannot be learnt in windows. Some of which are present in windows but just not a part of windows culture. For a simple example, how many Windows users have you seen viewing their system logs to determine problems? Compare it to the number of linux users who do.
If you really want to know what's good about Linux then you should use it for a reasonable period without a biased mind frame. I am not getting into if it's better than Windows or not. That's for each one to decide.

[mediator]

@Qwerty : WEll replied!

@Gururaj : I agree with u. Linux simply doesn't have enough anti-viruses, anti-spywares, BSODs, tools like 'Disk Defragement' etc => Trashware/Crapware. Damn I miss them!

I dunno the reason behind the 'Mass conversion going on! I dunno why they r wasting their time. May be they shud *learn* windows! WTH

Like someone here said "Linux is user friendly not idiot friendly"!

[Pathik]

Evy1 in full form today.. Great
btw dude if u dont like linux then dont use it.. But dont create such topics and incite lin fans.. Let peace prevail

[praka123]

we need SRK to be brand ambassedor of Linux,we need ads in Times of India and TV channels about Linux.charge rs 12000/ubuntu(as wintards believe more u pay more u get!)
^^^
this way only win addicts may move to Linux.and give that 12000 to FOSS community!.it works.

[[xubz]]

Gururaj! Not here too

[azzu]

i too was vry frustrated with linux in begining but gotta tell u man after these people's help iam a lHALF linux user(dual boot) i can proudly say i can use linux

[Desi-Tek.com]

well installation is a real problem specially for those who don't have internet. it result in dependency error.

[praka123]

^may be as regard to Ubuntu single cd distro.while other distros comes in DVD's,many of them carries proprietory codecs too.

[QwertyManiac]

Originally Posted by [xubz]

Gururaj! Not here too

Where else?

@Desi-Tek - With properly packaged debs these days via sites like www.getdeb.net etc that shouldn't be a problem.

[mayanks_098]

Originally Posted by [xubz]

Gururaj! Not here too

ha ha. . same here

[gary4gar]

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

i mean it doesnt have enough programs written for it.. is also a pain to install.. then why use it in the first place? what is the purpose of using linux when we have windows. If you want a free operating system..there are pirated versions of windows. I dont want to pick up a debate.. i need a real good answer as to why use linux?

Stop trolling, if you don't like linux, like to be a theif by using pirated windows then Use windows & enjoy the almost every month reinstall ion of windows

[ThinkFree]

Linux is working faster than win XP for me. Internet surfing has become faster. System hasn't hanged even once and overall interface too is faster. So why shouldn't I like linux. Developers across world are working for new applications for linux

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by asnvin

System has hanged even once....

you forgot to add NOT

[ThinkFree]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

you forgot to add NOT

thanks for telling about the error. Now not has been added

[The_Devil_Himself]

Originally Posted by $$Gururaj$$

f you want a free operating system..there are pirated versions of windows.

M$ must be very happy to see people think like that.Pirated wndows is the main reason why most people(specially in countries like ours) don't want to explore and use open source products.

[din]

I think hes using Windows PE (Pirated Edition) lol

[The_Devil_Himself]

lols.yea most of indians(>90%) use Windows XP PE.

[aditya.shevade]

I have original XP PRO, bundled with the PC. I still use Linux, and use XP only when I have to (college syllabus).

[QwertyManiac]

Originally Posted by din

I think hes using Windows PE (Pirated Edition) lol

Make that Windows PEE

[abhinandh]

not to forge one thing

LINUX IS ROCK SOLID.

its my experiance.vista/xp crawl when i use tehm for about 12hours.linux ran on my comp for 2 days continuously until i stopped it