The ultimate shootout: Apple Mac OS X vs. Microsoft Windows Vista

[aryayush]

Tighten your seatbelts. This is going to be an ugly ride.

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Originally Posted by aryayush

OK, I'd thought I would just ignore this thread because everyone knows how baised the unbaised reviewers in this thread are. But apparently, the other users on this forum are just as stupid as the initiators of this thread.

You guys are acting like you are out here genuinely pointing out the pros and cons of the operating system. Well, I see none of the hundreds of things that Mac OS X does a lot better than Windows or that Windows does not do at all in this thread.

And the cons. You guys, after all your research, have come up with exactly two problems:
1. No option to cut and paste files between drives.
2. iTunes does not support WMA.

The first one is a genuine flaw and it is widely accepted. It will most probably be fixed in Leopard but anyway, it is a flaw. Point noted.
The second one is simple crap. No one expects iTunes and iPod to play WMA files and Apple will not give you this functionality. The 'DOC' format is a standard for documents so Mac OS X supports it. Windows Media formats are not the standard. AFAIK, they are used only for pornographic files. Windows Media Player does not play M4A files either and no one expects it too.
Oh, and BTW, there are media players on Mac OS X that do play Windows Media formats, starting with Windows Media Player itself. But if gx_saurav expects to rely on me for doing a basic search on MacUpdate, he'll be waiting forever because that aint gonna happen.


So, anyway, I challenge you (iMav and gx_saurav). Spend one week with the OS and then post every single flaw you come across in it. Post them pointwise, no matter how small they are. Let us see the best you can do. And then I'll do some myth-busting. Let's get started.

I know things will get rough so I'm starting a new thread in the Fight Club forum.

So, let's see what we have here...

[gxsaurav]

lolz...this thread will go empty. Enough of flame wars, I don't wanna get banned again...so I will prefer pointing out pros & cons in Mac in that thread

[aryayush]

You are flaming in that thread anyway. It is better to do it here because at least it is allowed here (for the most part).

[iMav]

whats the point of this thread everything which we say is incorrect u will just reply this is crap that is crap whats the point

[aryayush]

No, I will give you solutions and point out the features that you think do not exist.

Of course, if you post crap, I will have to say that it is crap (like gx_saurav keeps saying that you have to re-install Mac OS X every now and then).

OK. So this is the list of "flaws" in Mac OS X, and the myth-busting:

2. As in windows If u right click on a file and select another application to open it and select it to be set as default same is not the case in MAC ... here if u choose another application for a file it will be only for that file and not the file type

Select a file and hit 'Command + I', or right click on it and select 'Get Info'. There is a heading (written in simple English) that says "Open with:". Choose the application you want the file to open with from the drop down menu and then hit the 'Change All...' button. All the files having that particular extension will now open with that applications.
This is what Windows can also do. But you can do a lot more in Mac OS X:
1. Change the icon of the file and even put a picture in any format as the icon. So, for example, you can make the poster of a movie the icon for the ripped DVD movie you have.
2. Set that particular file to open with some particular application but all other files with that extension will remain unchanged.
3. Mark the file with some colour.
4. Watch video files in the preview pane.

3. If u load ntfs drives they are loaded as connected servers (im still unable to make them writtable)

Oh. Bad Mac OS X.
But wait. You cannot even read HFS partitions in Windows.
OK. Bad Windows, good Mac OS X.

4. Dashboard & Expose are useful .... however at times i would say a sidebar for gadgets is better coz then i dont need to load another 'desktop' for accessing my gadgets

Drag a widget onto the dashboard but don't drop it. Hit F12 and the widget will stay on top of the desktop. This functionality is pretty limited right now though.
But in Windows, you have no option to have a separate layer for your widgets... uh, gadgets. And that is obviously the better way to do things.

6. it also has a similar to aero effect ... ur menus are transparet

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1) There is no Full Window concept. When you try to maximize a Windows it zooms to the size of content in it. This results in you having a lot of Windows on screen. Technically speaking this increases the load on Video frame buffer or Video memory. Mac UI is palate based, like in Photoshop there are 3 palates. Viewport, Toolbox & layers/history etc. To get an idea of how the plated UI of Mac is, try GIMP on Windows. It really hinders the usability, cos now Photoshop has 3 Windows, & all are separate entities. Just minimizing the viewport will not minimize Photoshop.

Only the first line was necessary. The fact that instead of stretching and occupying the whole screen, leaving you looking at ten yards of blank white space on both sides of the webpage, Safari is wise enough to expand only as much as required is a good thing. The only thing that's missing is an additional option to stretch it to full screen sometimes.
Of course, Windows does not have the stretch-to-fit option either, which in most cases is the better option indeed - specially if you have a thirty inch monitor.
BTW, there is a free plug-in for Mac OS X (Megazoomer) that brings full screen functionality to most Mac applications. Find me a plug-in that does the opposite on Windows.

2) Dock shows all you frequent applications, but what about less frequent ones? There is no "Other apps" thing. The best way I was able to manage is to make a new folder "Applications" & put the shortcuts of non-frequent apps in it. Now to start these apps first click on the dock to open this folder & then the apps. This could have been solved if there was a Menu kind of option in dock

Drag the applications folder to the dock and then right click on it. There you have it, all your applications in a menu. I don't do it though. Quicksilver is the best way ever to launch applications and it is free.

3) Non-Standard keyboard shortcuts.

Mac have 'Command + C' for copy, 'Command + X' for cut, 'Command + V' for paste, 'Command + N' for new, 'Command + S' for Save, 'Command + A' for select all, etc.
We are being taught how to use Adobe Creative Suite in my institute nowadays and not even a single shortcut is different.

5) WMA's doesn't play in iTunes, nothing does. Just mp3 & AAC. Despite of using aac it doesn't sync with my K750i.

The day WMP will play M4A or MOV, iTunes will play WMA and WMV.

6) Also there is no PIM. I do not have access to outlook/office on Mac, & m seriously missing it. There are 3 seperate application such as Mail, Calender & Address book.

And they are not PIM applications? They are better integrated than Microsoft can ever hope to achieve with Outlook. I save a person's contact details in Address Book and his/her birthday automatically gets added to iCal, his .Mac address to iChat and his email address to Mail. I can connect my Nokia 6300 via bluetooth and send SMSes to him through my Mac. Try doing that on Windows.
And uh, BTW, Windows does not come with Office either.

and if u try to drag ur applications folder to the dock ... it gets deleted

Oh really? Well, that's a good feature isn't it! You don't have to bother with dragging them to the trash can anymore, just drag them to the dock and woosh, there it goes. /sarcasm

Mav , to add applications to the dock , you have to run them , then when they're running you have to right-click em n then select add to dock . whew , wuite an excersise just to add a shorcut to dock

Uh... tried dragging them to the dock yet? No?
OK, it is quite a simple procedure really. Click on the application and hold the mouse button down. Move your mouse and the application will move. It's moving? Good. Now move it to the translucent bar at the bottom of the screen (it is called a dock). You'll notice it makes space for the guest. Now just release the mouse button gently. See how it is now sitting cosily with the other applications? Good. Rest assured it won't go anywhere.

There is also another reason. On a Mac, what u see is what u get (in colour). However with Windows XP the ability to use your own color profile system wide on any monitor took away this novelty of Mac

There is no way the colours on the screen of your Windows box will appear the same when printed. You can change all the profiles you want and do all your experiments. On a Mac, just print them as is and they will match colour-for-colour and shade-for-shade. Here in Arena Multimedia, my teacher always looks at the projects of other students on my Mac to assess how they will look in print. He told me I had a major advantage because of my Mac and my being in the creative field.

Mac has bluetooth device onboard in the hardware, means no more using USB bluetooth stick. However file transfer using bluetooth is slow.

No, it isn't.

My data cable of K750i isn't working to sync things thogh the memory card is visible.

Click on the Bluetooth button in the menu bar and select the option 'Set up Bluetooth Device...'. It is pretty must straightforward from there for anyone over the age of twelve. In fact, even this was pretty straightforward stuff. You want to sync something over bluetooth and yet it somehow never occurred to you to check out the Bluetooth menu. WOW!

Vista does the same using bluetooth but only if you have a Windows mobile device.

Exactly. Which means most phones will not synchronise by default. In fact, you cannot synchronise your phones with Vista even using the PC suites. I've tried it out with Nokia 6300 and the latest version of Nokia PC Suite. On a Mac, almost every phone is supported by default and you do not need any third party software. I use my phone as a modem, send SMSes from my Mac and read them on it too, send and accept calls, synchronise my address book and calendar - everything by default.

3) Doesn't comes with a messenger client which works with all protocalls out there (I mean to say adium which is free)

Oh, and Windows does? Macs come with an IM client that supports four protocols (Mac, AOL, Jabber and Bonjour) and has excellent audio/video capabilities. Windows comes with a messenger client that... oh wait, Windows does not come with any instant messenger client.







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(I haven't even started enumerating the pros of Mac OS X yet!)

[led_shankar]

You're all extremely juvenile people here. I don't see how my choice of OS should piss you people off so much.

I use linux most often, because it is best for my purpose. I use Windows (XP) on my tablet PC, because it is the best OS for THAT PURPOSE. All these flame wars and pissing contests show a lack of maturity and all three of you are guilty of it. Look at iMav's sig - what crap. There is a place for every OS, and instead of incendiary remarks, try and be constructive. There is a big difference in being a fan of a particular OS (or software or whatever) and being rabidly opposed to another one. I suggest that the three of you learn to function as human beings before you try to learn using an OS.

[aryayush]

Who asked for your sagely advice?

We come to have fun here and this is our idea of having fun. If you have a problem with it, stop visiting threads such as this one. We have enough of babas and gurus in India to go around with and we certainly don't need another one dishing out free advice.

[led_shankar]

Right, so in course of having "fun", you destroy any chance of having a meaningful discussion in a very specific forum (last time I checked, this was a tech forum), turning any and every thread into a slugfest.

[aryayush]

Oh really? I haven't even posted in "any and every thread" in this forum.

[iMav]

HFS not being readable by windows is bad coz do it u need to purchase an app however for reading ntfs on mac its free (which means pple want ntfs readable on a mac) and besides tht was neither a good point nor a bad just pointed tht out

in vista u can drag ur gadgets to the desktop

and as far as dragging to the dock i have told u that u cant add a folder to ur left of the dock ...

and u said somewhere about dragging to trash ... only fools drag things to recycle bin or trash ... sensible ppl right click and delete or move to trash

in vista u get msn which can be used to chat with yahoo members

gx is talking about theming ur OS

PS: no point talking anything coz fatbeing, raabo or mehul will come and lock this thread also .... : so well lets be happy with our OS and im sorry fellow members we cannot tell u how a MAC OS X looks and works coz the mods and other members dont want us to

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Originally Posted by iMav

and u said somewhere about dragging to trash ... only fools drag things to recycle bin or trash ... sensible ppl right click and delete or move to trash

yeah , this behaviour felt a bit awkward , coz hitting delete is infinitely faster than draggning anything to trash and if there's a two-key shortcut to just delete a file then it kills the purpose of the shortcut.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by iMav

in vista u can drag ur gadgets to the desktop

Did I say you cannot?

Originally Posted by iMav

and as far as dragging to the dock i have told u that u cant add a folder to ur left of the dock ...

And the point is? In Vista, you cannot place a file in the title bar of a window and you cannot drag an application onto the clock! What sense does this point make? You are supposed to keep your applications on the left and the other things on the right. Simple.

Originally Posted by iMav

and u said somewhere about dragging to trash ... only fools drag things to recycle bin or trash ... sensible ppl right click and delete or move to trash

I can say that fools go to the trouble of right clicking and then deleting, "sensible ppl" drag files to the trash. Another person will come along saying that fools do either and that "sensible ppl" used the keyboard. It is different for different people. But in Mac OS X, you can use all three methods. Tell me how will you drag a file to the recycle bin when an explorer window is maximised. You cannot. Mac users, in general, always prefer drag and drop to right clicking.

Originally Posted by iMav

in vista u get msn which can be used to chat with yahoo members

On Mac OS X, you get Adium "which can be used to chat with" AOL, Windows Live, Yahoo!, ICQ, Jabber, Bonjour, Google Talk, Apple .Mac, Lotus Sametime, Novel Groupwise, QQ, Gadu-Gadu and Live Journal Talk members.
That is beside that point. Windows does not ship with an IM client while Mac OS X does, and a very capable one at that.

Originally Posted by iMav

gx is talking about theming ur OS

Yes, there is no option of theming the operating system by default. One of the three geniune drawbacks that have already been mentioned.

Originally Posted by iMav

PS: no point talking anything coz fatbeing, raabo or mehul will come and lock this thread also .... : so well lets be happy with our OS and im sorry fellow members we cannot tell u how a MAC OS X looks and works coz the mods and other members dont want us to

WOW! Another gx_saurav in the making. Now that you've run out of points and your tail is between your legs (metaphorically speaking), you've started showing up with lame excuses. You were all excited about trying Mac OS X and then posting the drawbacks unbiasedly. Now that you have the opportunity and I have given the explanation for whatever you've come up with so far, you're suddenly afraid of FatBeing. LOL!

You have the OS and I'm challenging you to post the negatives (for the last fifteen posts). Do it, c'mon. Refute whatever I've said in the previous post explaining your so called "unbiased drawbacks". Can you? No, because - ironically enough - this is "the truth revealed".

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan Quireshi

yeah , this behaviour felt a bit awkward , coz hitting delete is infinitely faster than draggning anything to trash and if there's a two-key shortcut to just delete a file then it kills the purpose of the shortcut.

It is two keys on Windows too - Delete and Enter. On Windows, the shortcut is just one key and then there is a confirmation dialog in case you hit it by mistake. In Mac OS X, there is a two key shortcut that is just as easy to hit but you cannot press accidentally, so there is no need of a confirmation dialog. Both methods are equally effective and neither is better or worse than the other.

I use this when my hand is on the keyboard and drag the file to the trash when I'm operating the mouse.

All you guys are doing can be accurately summed up in one word, "nit-picking".

[iMav]

no actually the last point is thanx to the locking of the previous thread and as far as gadgets are concernd widgets on desktop

arya about the deleting thing get a life dude read again what u just typed ... its stupid (honestly)

and as far as docking somehing is concerned again read what u posted in the previous post and what my reply is its not about knowing how to drag but where to drag what **** are u talking by moving apps to the taskbar ...

now u dont even know the difference between the dock and the taskbar

i never said im posting the negatives im revealing facts thts what we did in the previous post which got locked ... now u quoted almost everything how about the first point i mentioned

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by iMav

arya about the deleting thing get a life dude read again what u just typed ... its stupid (honestly)

What! What's stupid about it!

Originally Posted by iMav

and as far as docking somehing is concerned again read what u posted in the previous post and what my reply is its not about knowing how to drag but where to drag what **** are u talking by moving apps to the taskbar ...

You are not supposed to drag your applications onto the clock in Windows, right? Similarly, you're not supposed to place folders on the left side of the dock. WTH is so complicated about it that you have to be explained like a toddler! I used the OS the first time too but I never had trouble figuring out where I was supposed to keep what in the dock. By default, you have applications on the left and a link and the trash on the right. The trash is a folder. Doesn't all this give you a visual cue of how things are supposed to be done? Won't it get messy if you dump all your folders and applications together? And anyway, when you try dragging a folder onto the left and the applications do not make space for it, doesn't common sense dictate you to try moving it across the clearly demarcated region on the left of the dock. I've seen a lot of Windows switchers but none of them was stupid enough to think that dragging something onto the dock will delete it and I simply cannot believe that a bunch of well educated teenagers are having trouble dragging a folder onto something as simple as the dock in Mac OS X. LOL!

Originally Posted by iMav

i never said im posting the negatives im revealing facts thts what we did in the previous post which got locked ... now u quoted almost everything how about the first point i mentioned

So reveal the facts. Reveal some more of them.

[blackpearl]

Originally Posted by led_shankar

You're all extremely juvenile people here. I don't see how my choice of OS should piss you people off so much.

I use linux most often, because it is best for my purpose. I use Windows (XP) on my tablet PC, because it is the best OS for THAT PURPOSE. All these flame wars and pissing contests show a lack of maturity and all three of you are guilty of it. Look at iMav's sig - what crap. There is a place for every OS, and instead of incendiary remarks, try and be constructive. There is a big difference in being a fan of a particular OS (or software or whatever) and being rabidly opposed to another one. I suggest that the three of you learn to function as human beings before you try to learn using an OS.

The only sane person here!!

Originally Posted by led_shankar

You're all extremely juvenile people here. I don't see how my choice of OS should piss you people off so much.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. And read and reread the statement in bold.
I use WinXP (sometimes linux too), somebody else uses linux or Mac. So what?
I use Opera, somebody uses firefox.
I use DAP, somebody uses IDM.
I use nod32, somebody kaspersky.
Does that mean I should fight with everybody who doesn't use my software?

[iMav]

we dont have anything against any os but people who constantly hi-jack threads and ppl who constantly keep on sayin tht their os the best when it cant even cut a file/folder

[aryayush]

WOW! I can (sort of) feel the pain of iMav. Poor tyke thought he would use Mac OS X for a few days and then make a list of all the reasons why it is a lousy operating system and post it for the world to see. Turns out he could come it with only one decent negative - it does not have the cut option when you right click on a file.

Now, he's posting it in every other post he makes and has even made it his signature.

Have you ever reflected on what this sounds like:
"Windows might lack in security but atleast it has a cut option"

Being bombarded by malware is a problem on the same level of having to delete a file after you have copied it onto another drive!? LOL!
What will you say the next time someone asks you why you use Windows? "It has the cut option."

[iMav]

well as i said earlier most of us dont work for the cia, kgb, raw so dont care so much for the security part and me have never said that mac is bad all we have said it has its short comings and it is wrong for its users to pronounce it as the best os and yeah mac doesnt allow u cut damn

[aryayush]

Everything on Earth has shortcomings. BMW's cars have shortcomings too but it does not change the fact that they make the best cars. Mac OS X has shortcomings too - doesn't change the fact that it is the best operating system.

I'm just giving you guys time. Even I could name more drawbacks in Mac OS X than you guys have.

When I'll start with the list of positives, you'll be seeking cover.

And just to make sure that this (very important) post does not get buried in all the others posts that are going to follow (and I don't have to address the same points again later), I'm re-quoting it from the first page:

OK. So this is the list of "flaws" in Mac OS X, and the myth-busting:

Select a file and hit 'Command + I', or right click on it and select 'Get Info'. There is a heading (written in simple English) that says "Open with:". Choose the application you want the file to open with from the drop down menu and then hit the 'Change All...' button. All the files having that particular extension will now open with that applications.
This is what Windows can also do. But you can do a lot more in Mac OS X:
1. Change the icon of the file and even put a picture in any format as the icon. So, for example, you can make the poster of a movie the icon for the ripped DVD movie you have.
2. Set that particular file to open with some particular application but all other files with that extension will remain unchanged.
3. Mark the file with some colour.
4. Watch video files in the preview pane.

Oh. Bad Mac OS X.
But wait. You cannot even read HFS partitions in Windows.
OK. Bad Windows, good Mac OS X.

Drag a widget onto the dashboard but don't drop it. Hit F12 and the widget will stay on top of the desktop. This functionality is pretty limited right now though.
But in Windows, you have no option to have a separate layer for your widgets... uh, gadgets. And that is obviously the better way to do things.

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Only the first line was necessary. The fact that instead of stretching and occupying the whole screen, leaving you looking at ten yards of blank white space on both sides of the webpage, Safari is wise enough to expand only as much as required is a good thing. The only thing that's missing is an additional option to stretch it to full screen sometimes.
Of course, Windows does not have the stretch-to-fit option either, which in most cases is the better option indeed - specially if you have a thirty inch monitor.
BTW, there is a free plug-in for Mac OS X (Megazoomer) that brings full screen functionality to most Mac applications. Find me a plug-in that does the opposite on Windows.

Drag the applications folder to the dock and then right click on it. There you have it, all your applications in a menu. I don't do it though. Quicksilver is the best way ever to launch applications and it is free.

Mac have 'Command + C' for copy, 'Command + X' for cut, 'Command + V' for paste, 'Command + N' for new, 'Command + S' for Save, 'Command + A' for select all, etc.
We are being taught how to use Adobe Creative Suite in my institute nowadays and not even a single shortcut is different.

The day WMP will play M4A or MOV, iTunes will play WMA and WMV.

And they are not PIM applications? They are better integrated than Microsoft can ever hope to achieve with Outlook. I save a person's contact details in Address Book and his/her birthday automatically gets added to iCal, his .Mac address to iChat and his email address to Mail. I can connect my Nokia 6300 via bluetooth and send SMSes to him through my Mac. Try doing that on Windows.
And uh, BTW, Windows does not come with Office either.

Oh really? Well, that's a good feature isn't it! You don't have to bother with dragging them to the trash can anymore, just drag them to the dock and woosh, there it goes. /sarcasm

Uh... tried dragging them to the dock yet? No?
OK, it is quite a simple procedure really. Click on the application and hold the mouse button down. Move your mouse and the application will move. It's moving? Good. Now move it to the translucent bar at the bottom of the screen (it is called a dock). You'll notice it makes space for the guest. Now just release the mouse button gently. See how it is now sitting cosily with the other applications? Good. Rest assured it won't go anywhere.

There is no way the colours on the screen of your Windows box will appear the same when printed. You can change all the profiles you want and do all your experiments. On a Mac, just print them as is and they will match colour-for-colour and shade-for-shade. Here in Arena Multimedia, my teacher always looks at the projects of other students on my Mac to assess how they will look in print. He told me I had a major advantage because of my Mac and my being in the creative field.

No, it isn't.

Click on the Bluetooth button in the menu bar and select the option 'Set up Bluetooth Device...'. It is pretty must straightforward from there for anyone over the age of twelve. In fact, even this was pretty straightforward stuff. You want to sync something over bluetooth and yet it somehow never occurred to you to check out the Bluetooth menu. WOW!

Exactly. Which means most phones will not synchronise by default. In fact, you cannot synchronise your phones with Vista even using the PC suites. I've tried it out with Nokia 6300 and the latest version of Nokia PC Suite. On a Mac, almost every phone is supported by default and you do not need any third party software. I use my phone as a modem, send SMSes from my Mac and read them on it too, send and accept calls, synchronise my address book and calendar - everything by default.

Oh, and Windows does? Macs come with an IM client that supports four protocols (Mac, AOL, Jabber and Bonjour) and has excellent audio/video capabilities. Windows comes with a messenger client that... oh wait, Windows does not come with any instant messenger client.







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[Zeeshan Quireshi]

well there's a difference between pressing two keys n a two-key shortcut , if you know what i mean .

in a two key shortcut you have to keep pressing the first key while pressing the second one , this is a bit tedious , but if you press delete n then hit enter(and that too , the confirmation can be disabled , as in my case) it's much easier than pressing Control-Delete .

Arya , please evaluate it objectively , i'm not bashing the OS , i'm just asking u on a usability basis , be it for mac or linux ...

[aryayush]

Well, Zeeshan, I'm being as objective as it is humanly possible to be but saying that 'Windows + Backspace' is a "tedious" shortcut is really really lame. It is just mind-blowingly lame.

Both keys are on the right hand side of the keyboard and it requires the use of only one hand. Unless you are missing a thumb (which I doubt you are), it really couldn't be a whole lot simpler.

In all seriousness, even gx_saurav would have trouble cooking up something that lame!

Oh, and BTW, you can add a different shortcut for the 'Move to Trash' command in the System Preferences under Keyboard Shortcuts but I had a hard time trying to think of an easier and more sensible shortcut than 'Command + Delete'. You could use 'Ctrl + .' or something because the two keys are right next to each other. You might even be able to press them with just one finger.


I still cannot believe you posted that!

[gxsaurav]

The day WMP will play M4A or MOV, iTunes will play WMA and WMV.

Do you know anything about Power DVD or FFDSHow or Orban? They all play MP4 & M4A in WMP fine cos they are all direct show based. But despite of QuickTime based iTunes doesn't play any music format including wma other then mp3 & aac.

You cannot even read HFS partitions in Windows.

Yup we cannot. But you can read NTFS drives in MacOS X thanx to Microsoft. Now you can also write to NTFS Drives using Macfuse & NTFS-3G thanx to the open source community which I am sure apple will shamefully copy in Leopard.

But in Windows, you have no option to have a separate layer for your widgets... uh, gadgets.

Drag a gadget from gadget container or sidebar to desktop. Done.

The fact that instead of stretching and occupying the whole screen, leaving you looking at ten yards of blank white space on both sides of the webpage, Safari is wise enough to expand only as much as required is a good thing.

Umm...Page zooming, content folding...Nope doesn't rings a bell in your head for sure. Hey, is safari the only app which should be maximized ?

Of course, Windows does not have the stretch-to-fit option either, which in most cases is the better option indeed - especially if you have a thirty inch monitor.

so? That is how things are done in Windows. You get the full desktop real estate.

They are better integrated than Microsoft can ever hope to achieve with Outlook. I save a person's contact details in Address Book and his/her birthday automatically gets added to iCal, his .Mac address to iChat and his email address to Mail. I can connect my Nokia 6300 via Bluetooth and send SMSes to him through my Mac.

Lolz...you are joking right. No seriously, u r, right? Have you ever used outlook ?whatever changes to make in a contact in Outlook are reflected throughout the system. The birthday gets added to calendar, the & everything else which u just mentioned from a long time. Hell even Vista PIM (Windows Mail, Windows Contacts & Windows Calendar) does the same.

I can connect my Nokia 6300 via Bluetooth and send SMSes to him through my Mac.

My Phone explorer 1.59 + Outlook connection + data cable/Bluetooth

And uh, BTW, Windows does not come with Office either.

Tsk tsk.....umm, I hope you know the reason why.

There is no way the colours on the screen of your Windows box will appear the same when printed

How long have u been in Arena Multimedia . No seriously I want to know how long have u been using Photoshop & its color management profile. I guess you don't know how to set colour profile in Windows OS , do u? You set sRGB or whatever profiles you like in Photoshop or Windows Printer color profile & BOOM, it is reflected on all your prints.

Here in Arena Multimedia, my teacher always looks at the projects of other students on my Mac to assess how they will look in print. He told me I had a major advantage because of my Mac and my being in the creative field.

Oh, you are my junior. Well, from now on I don't mind whatever you say . Now plz go & tell your teacher to open Photoshop -> go to edit -> preference-> colour profile to set the profile to CMYK, BOOM you see & print the same color you see on screen to the printer. Don't worry even I told this to my teachers for the first time 3 years back

Mac has Bluetooth device onboard in the hardware, means no more using USB Bluetooth stick. However file transfer using Bluetooth is slow.

No, it isn't

Sorry, I again forgot you hardware knowledge is 0

Speed of Bluetooth 2.0+EDR = 3 MBps

Speed of SE Fast port using data cable using USB 2.0 = 60 MBps. In my K750i when copying files to Memory Stick Pro duo it reaches 8 MBps easily.

Click on the Bluetooth button in the menu bar and select the option 'Set up Bluetooth Device...'. It is pretty must straightforward from there for anyone over the age of twelve. In fact, even this was pretty straightforward stuff. You want to sync something over Bluetooth and yet it somehow never occurred to you to check out the Bluetooth menu. WOW!

Originally Posted by Me

My data cable of K750i isn't working to sync things though the memory card is visible.

Did I mentioned Bluetooth anywhere?

In fact, you cannot synchronies your phones with Vista even using the PC suites. I've tried it out with Nokia 6300 and the latest version of Nokia PC Suite.

Ok, first you use Nokia PC Suite

2nd, did u bothered checking in the option for Outlook sync?

I use my phone as a modem, send SMSes from my Mac and read them on it too, send and accept calls, synchronies my address book and calendar - everything by default.

Install Nokia PC Suite + Outlook on PC. BOOM everything is possible. If you are buying an OEM PC (Which Mac is also) then you already have outlook.

Oh, and Windows does? Macs come with an IM client that supports four protocols (Mac, AOL, Jabber and Bonjour) and has excellent audio/video capabilities. Windows comes with a messenger client that... oh wait, Windows does not come with any instant messenger client.

Windows Live messenger, ever tried gathering some info before making a statement

Originally Posted by imav

in vista u can drag ur gadgets to the desktop

Did I say you cannot?

Yup you did. Sidebar cannot overlay, yes. Can it be put on a separate layer on desktop. Yup. Do some research before bashing for no reason.

On Mac OS X, you get Adium "which can be used to chat with" AOL, Windows Live, Yahoo!, ICQ, Jabber, Bonjour, Google Talk, Apple .Mac, Lotus Sametime, Novel Groupwise, QQ, Gadu-Gadu and Live Journal Talk members.
That is beside that point. Windows does not ship with an IM client while Mac OS X does, and a very capable one at that.

Umm...Windows Live messenger & MSN Messenger, does that rings a bell? They are already there in new OEM PCs & MS was sued for bundling MSN messenger in Vista if you remember. Oh & MacOS X doesn’t comes with Adium. You will need to download it, well you will need to do the same in case of Windows.

You have the OS and I'm challenging you to post the negatives (for the last fifteen posts). Do it, c'mon. Refute whatever I've said in the previous post explaining your so called "unbiased drawbacks". Can you? No, because - ironically enough - this is "the truth revealed".

Braking news : Windows users do not give a damn to Mac users on whatever they are saying.

WOW! I can (sort of) feel the pain of iMav. Poor tyke thought he would use Mac OS X for a few days and then make a list of all the reasons why it is a lousy operating system and post it for the world to see.

Actually, you do that for Windows. We use MacOS X in nearest Apple store just to confirm what you have said & point out your lies.

Now, he's posting it in every other post he makes and has even made it his signature.

Mind looking at you own, or Nepckers sig.

well as I said earlier most of us don’t work for the cia, kgb, raw so don’t care so much for the security part

OMG I better secure my super secret recipe for Weight reduction. It is worth a million & Rosy O' Brian will kill to get it

Well, Zeeshan, I'm being as objective as it is humanly possible to be but saying that 'Windows + Backspace' is a "tedious" shortcut is really lame. It is just mind-blowingly lame.

it is lame, when there is a "delete" key on keyboard for deleting

In all seriousness, even gx_saurav would have trouble cooking up something that lame!

I just cooked Dal makhni, want to be my guinea pig...I mean, want to be my beta tester. Money back if you die .


iMav, no point argueing dude. We were posting facts & shortcomings in that thread & it got locked. You can yourself understand the situation of this forum where Windows users are regarderd as lamers just cos we do our work without thinking of a computer as a computer, without thinking about it instead treating it just as a tool.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Do you know anything about Power DVD or FFDSHow or Orban? They all play MP4 & M4A in WMP fine cos they are all direct show based. But despite of QuickTime based iTunes doesn't play any music format including wma other then mp3 & aac.

Point noted. Four drawbacks, this one being a somewhat major one for certain long time Windows users.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Yup we cannot. But you can read NTFS drives in MacOS X thanx to Microsoft. Now you can also write to NTFS Drives using Macfuse & NTFS-3G thanx to the open source community which I am sure apple will shamefully copy in Leopard.

Windows users are the last people who should take about copying and stuff. And I think it is spectacular that Apple is embracing open source technologies and not interfering with the people who support open source, instead of shouting that Linux violates xxx number of patents and threatening to take legal action.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Drag a gadget from gadget container or sidebar to desktop. Done.

Obscuring precious screen estate.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

so? That is how things are done in Windows. You get the full desktop real estate.

Even if more than half of it is being wasted. It hampers productivity and the ability to multi-task effectively.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Lolz...you are joking right. No seriously, u r, right? Have you ever used outlook ?whatever changes to make in a contact in Outlook are reflected throughout the system. The birthday gets added to calendar, the & everything else which u just mentioned from a long time. Hell even Vista PIM (Windows Mail, Windows Contacts & Windows Calendar) does the same.

My Phone explorer 1.59 + Outlook connection + data cable/Bluetooth

Tsk tsk.....umm, I hope you know the reason why.

Outlook is neither free, nor does it come bundled with PCs from computer manufacturers such as HP, Dell, Lenovo, Sony, etc.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

How long have u been in Arena Multimedia . No seriously I want to know how long have u been using Photoshop & its color management profile. I guess you don't know how to set colour profile in Windows OS , do u? You set sRGB or whatever profiles you like in Photoshop or Windows Printer color profile & BOOM, it is reflected on all your prints.

Oh, you are my junior. Well, from now on I don't mind whatever you say . Now plz go & tell your teacher to open Photoshop -> go to edit -> preference-> colour profile to set the profile to CMYK, BOOM you see & print the same color you see on screen to the printer. Don't worry even I told this to my teachers for the first time 3 years back

It is impossible. I know all about colour profiles in Adobe applications and so does my teacher. If you had one/tenth as much knowledge as he has, you would be hundred times more knowledgeable than you are now!
In fact, it was while explaining colour profiles to us that he told us that though colour profiles do a good job of bringing the on-screen colour close to how it would appear in print, it will never be accurate unless you own a Mac. Also, you have to keep changing your colour profiles for different printers. So once you've already prepared the project, if you decide to print in another printer than the one you generally use, you have to ask the printer (the person who does the printing) which colour profile suits his printer, then change your colour profile and then edit the colours if they fluctuate too much from the original.
And even after all that, the prints still would differ slightly. This is the reason most creative people prefer Macs because of the accurate on-screen colour reproduction and this is the reason Adobe's colour profiles have an Apple RGB profile. This is the profile that will give you near accurate on-screen colour reproduction for most professional grade printers.
I admit that I am a bit confused by all this jargon but whatever I have mentioned here is clearly what out teacher told us.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Sorry, I again forgot you hardware knowledge is 0

Speed of Bluetooth 2.0+EDR = 3 MBps

Speed of SE Fast port using data cable using USB 2.0 = 60 MBps. In my K750i when copying files to Memory Stick Pro duo it reaches 8 MBps easily.

You did not even mention USB in your post. You said that "Mac has bluetooth device onboard in the hardware, means no more using USB bluetooth stick. However file transfer using bluetooth is slow." Macs have Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR and no USB bluetooth stick will give you faster speeds than the built-in Bluetooth in Macs do.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Did I mentioned Bluetooth anywhere?

I did sync my W550i once using the data cable but have always used Bluetooth after that. I don't remember how I'd set it up with the USB cable at that time. It might be that you have to first set it up as a Bluetooth device and enable synchronisation with it before using the USB cable. Or you might have to connect it in the phone mode and use the Synchronisation option on the phone. I don't really remember.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Ok, first you use Nokia PC Suite

I don't have many options if it is not there by default, do I!

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

2nd, did u bothered checking in the option for Outlook sync?

Install Nokia PC Suite + Outlook on PC. BOOM everything is possible. If you are buying an OEM PC (Which Mac is also) then you already have outlook.

"Outlook is neither free, nor does it come bundled with PCs from computer manufacturers such as HP, Dell, Lenovo, Sony, etc."

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Windows Live messenger, ever tried gathering some info before making a statement

It isn't there by default. You complained that Mac "Doesn't comes with a messenger client which works with all protocalls out there (I mean to say adium which is free)". Well, Windows does not come with a messenger client at all.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Yup you did. Sidebar cannot overlay, yes. Can it be put on a separate layer on desktop. Yup. Do some research before bashing for no reason.

I haven't even started yet, and you are already uneasy! Sidebar does it one way and Dashboard another. Neither of them have the option of doing it both ways. I prefer the Dashboard (the effects alone are enough to make the Sidebar look like something designed in 1997) and you prefer the Sidebar. Stop complaining now.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Umm...Windows Live messenger & MSN Messenger, does that rings a bell? They are already there in new OEM PCs & MS was sued for bundling MSN messenger in Vista if you remember.

I certainly don't care who was sued for doing what. I just know that it is an operating system that costs Rs. 12,000 and does not come with an instant messenger client.
As for OEMs. If you are using OEMs anyway, it defeats your primary argument in favour of Windows - our operating system, the way we want it.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Oh & MacOS X doesn’t comes with Adium. You will need to download it, well you will need to do the same in case of Windows.

Mac OS X ships with a very capable instant messaging client. Windows does not. End of discussion.
Adium is not equivalent to Windows Live Messenger, it is equivalent to the likes of Miranda and Trillian.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Actually, you do that for Windows. We use MacOS X in nearest Apple store just to confirm what you have said & point out your lies.

Like what? What huge revelation have you done till now and what else is forthcoming? I can hardly wait...

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Mind looking at you own, or Nepckers sig.

It certainly does not say something as idiotic "who cares if Macs aren't good at gaming, at least we have a summarize utility", which is similar to what iMav's signature "boast" about Windows.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

OMG I better secure my super secret recipe for Weight reduction. It is worth a million & Rosy O' Brian will kill to get it

Yeah, well, your computer's security might not be important for you, but it is for the rest of the world including me.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

it is lame, when there is a "delete" key on keyboard for deleting

OK. You guys have found a fifth flaw. The shortcut for deleting files is 'Ctrl + Delete' instead of just Delete. Genius!

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

iMav, no point argueing dude. We were posting facts & shortcomings in that thread & it got locked.

All the "shortcomings" are here for all to see. What's stopping you. Continue with it. You'd be bursting to post the shortcomings if there were any. And the fact that you are aimlessly arguing and trying to deviate from the topic only indicates you level of success with finding negatives in the operating system.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

You can yourself understand the situation of this forum where Windows users are regarderd as lamers just cos we do our work without thinking of a computer as a computer, without thinking about it instead treating it just as a tool.

Yeah, I can surely see that!

[gxsaurav]

Windows users are the last people who should take about copying and stuff. And I think it is spectacular that Apple is embracing open source technologies and not interfering with the people who support open source, instead of shouting that Linux violates xxx number of patents and threatening to take legal action.

You sound just like Anu Malik, when after copying a whole hollywood song "Makarena" he said, I didn't copy, i just took inspiration

Even if more than half of it is being wasted. It hampers productivity and the ability to multi-task effectively.

Mac users like to see Palated Windows & that too many of them. Windows users like to see Single Window for single app.

Outlook is neither free, nor does it come bundled with PCs from computer manufacturers such as HP, Dell, Lenovo, Sony, etc.

Tsk tsk....go check again. MS Office OEM is always a bundle.

In fact, it was while explaining colour profiles to us that he told us that though colour profiles do a good job of bringing the on-screen colour close to how it would appear in print, it will never be accurate unless you own a Mac. Also, you have to keep changing your colour profiles for different printers. So once you've already prepared the project, if you decide to print in another printer than the one you generally use, you have to ask the printer (the person who does the printing) which colour profile suits his printer, then change your colour profile and then edit the colours if they fluctuate too much from the original.
And even after all that, the prints still would differ slightly. This is the reason most creative people prefer Macs because of the accurate on-screen colour reproduction and this is the reason Adobe's colour profiles have an Apple RGB profile. This is the profile that will give you near accurate on-screen colour reproduction for most professional grade printers.
I admit that I am a bit confused by all this jargon but whatever I have mentioned here is clearly what out teacher told us.

:ROFL:

First, Photoshop uses sRGB color profile to show something on screen which you can change to CMYK if u want. Now you see the color as it will be printed.

In Vista (cos it is new) Go to control panel & search for color (a simple term) & it will give u an option to set a colour profile. Set any one you like & select "Set as default"

1) Why won't it be accurate ? What you see on screen now (the selected color profile) is what you get in printer (The system wide color profile). Have you ever tried printing something in Windows after setting a color profile?

2) Nope, once you set the default color profile, this will be the default for all printers from now on.

3) Why? I don't find a reason, do u? Plz mention why. Does the printer changes itself when used on Windows or are you just making stories. Arya, u r starting to learn photoshop. There are photoshop gurus out here already (nikhil, goobi)

You did not even mention USB in your post.

Did u see the word "Data cable"

Macs have Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR and no USB bluetooth stick will give you faster speeds than the built-in Bluetooth in Macs do.

Why is that? Does Mac is the only one out there which can use Blue tooth 2.0+EDR in a computer, then what happened to Belkin, D-Link bluetooth 2.0 adapters available in the marekt, what happened to HP povilian Laptops with inbuilt bluetooth 2.0 HDR.

I did sync my W550i once using the data cable but have always used Bluetooth after that. I don't remember how I'd set it up with the USB cable at that time. It might be that you have to first set it up as a Bluetooth device and enable synchronisation with it before using the USB cable. Or you might have to connect it in the phone mode and use the Synchronisation option on the phone. I don't really remember.

You did this, you did that...now you don't remembar. Old story with you.

I don't have many options if it is not there by default, do I!

Did u tried searching for Mobtime cell phone manager ?

And the fact that you are aimlessly arguing and trying to deviate from the topic only indicates you level of success with finding negatives in the operating system.

did you for once tried to read & understand the meaning of what i said

[aryayush]

I hope you don't mind that I am skipping past the nonsense.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Mac users like to see Palated Windows & that too many of them. Windows users like to see Single Window for single app.

They don't have any choice.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Tsk tsk....go check again. MS Office OEM is always a bundle.

It never is. I've seen tens of people buy laptops from various companies and not one of them ever shipped with Microsoft Office installed.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

:ROFL:

First, Photoshop uses sRGB color profile to show something on screen which you can change to CMYK if u want. Now you see the color as it will be printed.

In Vista (cos it is new) Go to control panel & search for color (a simple term) & it will give u an option to set a colour profile. Set any one you like & select "Set as default"

1) Why won't it be accurate ? What you see on screen now (the selected color profile) is what you get in printer (The system wide color profile). Have you ever tried printing something in Windows after setting a color profile?

2) Nope, once you set the default color profile, this will be the default for all printers from now on.

3) Why? I don't find a reason, do u? Plz mention why. Does the printer changes itself when used on Windows or are you just making stories. Arya, u r starting to learn photoshop. There are photoshop gurus out here already (nikhil, goobi)

I'll get back to you on this one tomorrow.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Did u see the word "Data cable"

No, I didn't. This is exactly what you said, "Mac has bluetooth device onboard in the hardware, means no more using USB bluetooth stick. However file transfer using bluetooth is slow." You made it sound like, for some reason, USB bluetooth devices are faster than the built-in receiver that Macs have.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Why is that? Does Mac is the only one out there which can use Blue tooth 2.0+EDR in a computer, then what happened to Belkin, D-Link bluetooth 2.0 adapters available in the marekt, what happened to HP povilian Laptops with inbuilt bluetooth 2.0 HDR.

It really isn't my fault that you were whiling away your time in the "casanova institute of love" when we were learning English. I said that "no USB bluetooth stick will give you faster speeds than the built-in Bluetooth in Macs do". Both have Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR. How can the USB devices give you faster speeds then! If two bikes are running at 60 Km/h, both have the same speed, don't they? Don't make me resort to trying to make you understand this in hindi now

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

You did this, you did that...now you don't remembar. Old story with you.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Did u tried searching for Mobtime cell phone manager ?

Why should I! Why should any person have to resort to using additional software (and that too from third parties) for doing something as basic as synchronising their phone with their computer in 2007!
I buy a phone and I buy Vista, all excited about what is supposed to be the latest and greatest operating system. I connect my phone and the operating system does not even blink. I use the file manager option and it gets recognised as flash storage. That's it. Then I have to install a stupid PC Suite. It turns out, even the PC Suite won't let me synchronise my phone with the computer. Then someone tells me that I need to buy and install another piece of software for doing something I should've been able to do as soon as I connected my phone to my computer. Duh! In other words, Vista's just as useful for my phone as Windows 98 is.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

did you for once tried to read & understand the meaning of what i said

No, I only understand human tongue, unfortunately!

[assasin]

Even if more than half of it is being wasted. It hampers productivity and the ability to multi-task effectively

if u want then atleast u can resize the window to ur liking which will give u ability to multitask.but to go full screen in mac u need to D/L 3rd party app.so sad aint it? .

This is the reason most creative people prefer Macs

if that had been the case then the no of ppl using mac 2day wud hav been more than it really is.

You did not even mention USB in your post. You said that "Mac has bluetooth device onboard in the hardware, means no more using USB bluetooth stick. However file transfer using bluetooth is slow." Macs have Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR and no USB bluetooth stick will give you faster speeds than the built-in Bluetooth in Macs do.

buy ur self a good quality USB 2.0 bluetooth dongle and u'll get the idea of the transfer speeds.
wake up dood.wat do u think that the in-built bluetooth of ur mac is built with something out of this world??its just that most ppl use chaep usb bluetooth dongle which dont support good transfer speeds.

Yeah, well, your computer's security might not be important for you, but it is for the rest of the world including me.

atleast we hav 3rd party apps to take care of security in Windows.but for macs u dont even hav 3rd party apps to take care of the 'cut' function.

Why should I! Why should any person have to resort to using additional software (and that too from third parties) for doing something as basic as synchronising their phone with their computer in 2007!

then why sud anyone hafta use any 3rd party apps to as simple & basic a thing as making a window fullscreen in 2007?????

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by assasin

if u want then atleast u can resize the window to ur liking which will give u ability to multitask.but to go full screen in mac u need to D/L 3rd party app.so sad aint it? .

No, you can resize the window to your liking on a Mac too so you can stretch it to occupy as much space as possible. At least on a Mac, you can just re-size it once and leave it but on Windows, you have to keep resizing your window as the pages you are loading in your browser change.

Originally Posted by assasin

if that had been the case then the no of ppl using mac 2day wud hav been more than it really is.

Everyone knows that Macs are very popular in the creative and education fields and I don't need to explain it to you like a kid. I would rather they were not so popular, but I can't help it, can I?

Originally Posted by assasin

buy ur self a good quality USB 2.0 bluetooth dongle and u'll get the idea of the transfer speeds.
wake up dood.wat do u think that the in-built bluetooth of ur mac is built with something out of this world??its just that most ppl use chaep usb bluetooth dongle which dont support good transfer speeds.

Did all of you bunk the grammar classes in junior school? I said that "Macs have Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR and no USB bluetooth stick will give you faster speeds than the built-in Bluetooth in Macs do." This statement is hundred percent accurate. I did not say that the in-built Bluetooth on Macs is faster than the USB Bluetooth sticks out there. If both have Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR, both will have the same speeds. But since Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR is the fastest Bluetooth standard in the world, you can never have a USB Bluetooth stick that performs better than the in-built Bluetooth in Macs. Is it so difficult to understand your simple, everyday English!

Originally Posted by assasin

atleast we hav 3rd party apps to take care of security in Windows.but for macs u dont even hav 3rd party apps to take care of the 'cut' function.

Even people who support Windows must be thinking how lame you guys' argument is. There is one oversight in the operating system - you cannot cut and paste a file between two drives and you guys have stuck to it like one magnet on another. You have absolutely nothing else to criticise. I take that as a huge complement for the operating system that even when they are challenged to do so, the best the detractors can do is number four bugs out of which only one can be considered a major one.
And when I'll start with the things that Mac OS X does by default and you cannot do in Windows even with paid third party software, you won't be quite the big-mouth that you are now!

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

then why sud anyone hafta use any 3rd party apps to as simple & basic a thing as making a window fullscreen in 2007?????

Just drag any window and make it full screen. It will remember that setting and never change unless you want it to. And in applications that need as much space as they can have, they do go full screen automatically such as iPhoto, TextEdit, iCal, etc. It is only in applications that waste screen space that they occupy only as much as they need to like Safari, iChat, etc. You don't need a messenger with a list of contacts to use the whole screen and waste eighty percent of it. It is highly inefficient. You use Windows and are stuck with it, so you have no option. Of course you'll want to defend it when you aren't left with much choice.

At present I am using OmniWeb to browse this forum. It is using half the screen space and I can easily broswe this forum in that. Meanwhile, I can see my RSS reader on the side with a feed I am in the middle of reading, a photoshop document I have open, my iTunes window that shows me what's playing, a text document I need and my email client. I don't need to switch different windows for status updates on my other applications. Mac users always have the tendency to work on several applications at once. Windows users would generally be working on three applications together and two of them would be programs that do not need any user interaction. Your mindset changes when you switch to a Mac, you become more efficient.

[iMav]

arya while compiling my difference between mac and pc article i came across a blog which said tht previously multimedia pplications were mac exclusive and hence mac was preffered but now the applications are not exclusive ....

[aryayush]

It was written by someone who dislikes Macs and is just as highly informed as you guys. One of the most important applications in the creative field today is Final Cut Studio and the four applications it comes with. The fifth one has been launched recently and most probably, that will become just as famous. It is the Photoshop of movie production. Almost every Hollywood movie with hi-fi special effects has FCP involved.

Then there is RenderMan, a software that runs only on Mac servers and is the holy grail of animation. Dreamworks uses it - so does every other animation studio worth its salt.

There are a lot of examples but I don't know about each one. And anyway, on a Mac you can run every application in the world, but you cannot run Mac applications on your everyday computer. These guys in movies and all have no shortage of money anyway. What do you think they will choose?

Anyway, please don't go off-topic. Everyone knows how popular Macs are in the creative field. Just show me those "unbiased" drawbacks you were talking about...

Oh, and BTW, I have a friend Siddharth who is into music. He is a good pianist and is into learning the Guitar these days. He did not have any idea what Macs were. When he saw my MBP, he was absolutely stunned by the looks of it. He asked me the price and all and I told him. Then I told him that it does not come with Windows. "Eh saala, dedh lakh ka machine me Windows tak install karke nahin deta hai!"

I told him it does not have Linux either, in case that was what he had in mind. And then I showed him Mac OS X. He was indifferent to it. He liked the looks and the cool effects but he did not think it was something special. He did love the fact though, that I could browse the Internet without running any antivirus.

Then he saw the GarageBand icon in the dock and asked me what that was. Since I never use that application, I told him it was useless. He clicked on it nevertheless. If you would have seen it that day, you wouldn't have believed it. Within ten minutes, he already had all sorts of waves and all and something that looked like graphs was open and I don't even know what it was. He told me that it was better than any "virtual synthesizer" he had ever used on Windows and he asked me where he could buy a Mac and how much did the software cost. When I told him it was free, "tu Internet se piracy [sic] kar liya hoga aur besi bak-bak kar raha hai. Dus hazaar se upar to is software ka hi lag jaayega!"

He couldn't believe me. But he did when I showed him the software mentioned in the manual. His birthday is in September and he has asked me to pray for him that he can get a Mac on his birthday.

So, I hope you see why Macs are preferred by creative people. Back to the topic now, shall we... the drawbacks, flaws?