I am ashamed about India's customs, beliefs and traditions. Are U ?

[techtronic]

I watched the movie Water yesterday (Cursing myself for not viewing it before). The issue which is shown in the movie shows how ancient (even to some extent present) India should be ashamed of itself for practising something like Sati, Economic,Social and Cultural Deprivation of Widows and Child Marriage. Even practises like sacrificing a goat/cow to "so called god" doesn't show anything but belief in something which is barbaric. I certainly feel that our country would have been economically and culturally much stronger if it wasn't for these idiotic issues which changed the mindset of people.

I am proud that I have shunned myself from being called someone who belongs to a certain caste or creed as I am an Athiest

My principle is to F**K Fate and Believe in one's self

[kaustav_geek]

Firstly, bad font selection and formatting.. The formatting itself made me not read it further...
Now, coming to the post. I strongly agree that These taboo practices shouldn't exist. And these practices are banned by Govt. of India. However, its more the ignorance of the people rather than their belief in God which is still keeping these practices alive in certain parts of rural Inda

What we need to do is not be ashamed of it and start delivering sermons on Atheism. We should rather find ways to combat these and start by spreading awareness and education ... I wouldn't attribute India's backwardness to these practices, since its more to do with poverty and illiteracy.

I'm a Theist. But I don't believe in these practices or believe in God blindly as I know that God helps them who help themselves .. You too, have said, that Fcuk fate and believe in yourself. I feel that our statements are similar, with a minor adversity.

This is not a debatable matter since all of us are unanimous about the fact that - These practices should not exist.

End of story. Bata bing bata boom.

[mediator]

And these practices are banned by Govt. of India.However, its more the ignorance of the people rather than their belief in God which is still keeping these practices alive in certain parts of rural Inda

Slaughtering of goats banned? Sorry to say but its alive in the urban part of India too and not only in India but throughout the world specially in Central Asia.
Can u post a link saying it is banned by government of India? It wud be disaster if they ban it I guess!

[praka123]

You dont need to be ashamed.there are middle east countries which believes in everything western is wrong and believes in sharia(islamic law),even our neighbour pakistan's western areas are nowadays witnessing destruction of CD(music) stores etc.
http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/lin...6649132252.htm
In saudi,they believes in eye-for-eye,teeth-for-teeth.
I have seen in natgeo that in western pakistan and afghan it's a status symbol wearing AK-47!

^with such countries already in asia,leave our small problems-sure they needs to be eliminated.but with Hindutva being considered as a life-style more than a religion what to say
the lifestyle as a whole needs to be changed then

I feel India is the Only Country,(may be Nepal) in Asia which is basically peace loving.Other countries esp,middle east countries are more interested in funding terror groups and conversion in poor countries and breeding fast.

Not considering eastern asia

[kaustav_geek]

Slaughtering of goats banned? Sorry to say but its alive in the urban part of India too and not only in India but throughout the world specially in Central Asia.
Can u post a link saying it is banned by government of India? It wud be disaster if they ban it I guess!

Come on..Did you not get what I meant by these practises are banned ?? I was indicating to the taboo practices...Sati, child marriage.. etc.. Even the developed nations aren't veggies ... What makes a ceremonial sacrifice any different from animal slaughter for meat ?

I wasn't joking when I posted my post... This is a serious issue...

[vish786]

by seein the topic of thread i almost felt like hittin u right and left... but the thread contained something else.....

almost 90% of the indians dont like all this sati, child marriage and extra activities as u mentioned.... basically its not the indian custom and belief which is bad... but the remainin 10% people follow some activities and mention tat it is tradition which is to be followed... u just tell me in which indian religion book or upanishad its written tat child marriage is allowed.... u will not find anything like this... but its the people who make this unwritten laws and ultimately put tat as its a tradition which has to be followed... so dont blame d culture... hate those people who spoil the culture and kick their ass... as the sayin goes... ek kandi machale hi poore taalab ko kharab karti hai... same is the case here.

[mediator]

Come on..Did you not get what I meant by these practises are banned ?? I was indicating to the taboo practices...Sati, child marriage.. etc..

OH!

Even the developed nations aren't veggies ... What makes a ceremonial sacrifice any different from animal slaughter for meat ?

Slaughtering animals for eating or killing them in self defence is different from slaughtering them for "celebrating" a particular event! And further, do u think goats are completely eaten after that celebration? Have a reality check, come to delhi to the place where they were selling the posters of nude hindu goddesses, where the goats r slaughtered and witness the cruelty with which they slaughter them and then half of the body lying after the "celebration". So comparing them with fish etc for food isn't sensible u know.
If they wanna feast for that celebration then y not eat dogs and crows? That wud remove bangalore's dog stray problem and over population of crows! They can eat pigs also u know, y the poor and harmless, milk providing goats only? because their religion says so?

[amol48]

I jus don understand why we have to debate for NOT eating the non-veggies.
What's the basic principle for NOT eating them in India is that they have life and feelings. Tell me aren plants alive.. Though we might be able to see their feelings(if any) but so whta they are alive!! Then why to consume plants either.. Just drink water.. We will drink milk but not have eggs.. What when the calf dies due to less availability of milk from its mother, whose milk we drink everyday!! No one cares about that...
Though not all but most of the traditions and practices followed in India are too ancient and are good in those period only.. NOT todays.. Most of them today sound baseless.. But people of India like always .. follow them without thinking the "Actual" reason nehind them..

[kaustav_geek]

Slaughtering animals for eating or killing them in self defence is different from slaughtering them for "celebrating" a particular event! And further, do u think goats are completely eaten after that celebration? Have a reality check, come to delhi to the place where they were selling the posters of nude hindu goddesses, where the goats r slaughtered and witness the cruelty with which they slaughter them and then half of the body lying after the "celebration". So comparing them with fish etc for food isn't sensible u know.
If they wanna feast for that celebration then y not eat dogs and crows? That wud remove bangalore's dog stray problem and over population of crows! They can eat pigs also u know, y the poor and harmless, milk providing goats only? because their religion says so?

Which religion are you talking about ? That particular religion has always been known for its cruel religious practices...

[mediator]

^u finally understood!

Originally Posted by amol48

Tell me aren plants alive.. Though we might be able to see their feelings(if any) but so whta they are alive!! Then why to consume plants either.. Just drink water.. We will drink milk but not have eggs.. What when the calf dies due to less availability of milk from its mother, whose milk we drink everyday!! No one cares about that...

Sorry to say but thats a ridiculous analogy! Comparing plants with animals?
I don't like to repeat, so I wud appreciate if u read an existing debate here. Read from post#36.
Its for people like u who don't understand difference between plants and animals and why they have been classified differently! And then say they have got feelings too!

And then please read this Do plants feel pain too if u can't locate the relevant stuff! Now tell do plants have nervous system?

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by kaustav_geek

Firstly, bad font selection and formatting.. The formatting itself made me not read it further...

Absolutely correct. I've tried to tell people so many times not to post stuff that is absurdly formatted. It hurts they eyes trying to read it. I didn't even bother here, no offense to the original poster.

[kaustav_geek]

^u finally understood!

Naughty boy...

[amol48]

Originally Posted by mediator

^u finally understood!
And then please read this Do plants feel pain too if u can't locate the relevant stuff! Now tell do plants have nervous system?

That's what i am saying.. when u can eat plants then what's the problem in eating animals. After all it is nature's cycle.. Consider this:
Eagle =>Snake=>Rat ... So now would you say that these animals should not eat each other??!! This is by nature to keep a balance. Also some animals go for only veggie..This is all to keep 'Balane'. Similarly man is also an animal... (i hope u agree this at least) so what if some eat veggies and some eat non-veggies ?!!

[kaustav_geek]

That's what i am saying.. when u can eat plants then what's the problem eat animals. After all it is nature's cycle.. Consider this:
Eagle =>Snake=>Rat ... So now would you say that these animals should not eat each other??!! This is by nature to keep a balance. And so some animals don't eat also and go for only veggie.. Similarly man is also an animal... (i hope u agree this at least) so what if some eat veggies and some eat non-veggies ?!!

Dude... Keep your philosophy to yourself... Its too hard for us mortals to understand it

[mediator]

Originally Posted by amol48

That's what i am saying.. when u can eat plants then what's the problem in eating animals. After all it is nature's cycle.. Consider this:
Eagle =>Snake=>Rat ... So now would you say that these animals should not eat each other??!! This is by nature to keep a balance. Also some animals go for only veggie..This is all to keep 'Balane'. Similarly man is also an animal... (i hope u agree this at least) so what if some eat veggies and some eat non-veggies ?!!

Please read again what I said, and then post what u understood by it!

[pannaguma]

guys forget killing of plants and animals by humans, JI NE KE LIYE KUCH KHANA PADTA HAI.

but one thing that i hate is the fcuking CASTE SYSTEM. how can you decide that a group of people are untouchables or another group of people are all-powerful. and this is something that the gita and upanishads themself suggest.

this only leads to our people fighting amongst ourselves. no wonder that we have been exploited by so many other countries.

[mediator]

Can u quote where in GITA its written about caste system? Also quote the quotation from upanishad that conforms to present day scenario and promotes untouchability!

[minniawochat]

Originally Posted by techtronic

I watched the movie Water yesterday (Cursing myself for not viewing it before). The issue which is shown in the movie shows how ancient (even to some extent present) India should be ashamed of itself for practising something like Sati, Economic,Social and Cultural Deprivation of Widows and Child Marriage. Even practises like sacrificing a goat/cow to "so called god" doesn't show anything but belief in something which is barbaric. I certainly feel that our country would have been economically and culturally much stronger if it wasn't for these idiotic issues which changed the mindset of people.

I am proud that I have shunned myself from being called someone who belongs to a certain caste or creed as I am an Athiest

My principle is to F**K Fate and Believe in one's self

Hi

Christ never said to Kill any one

But POP of vetican said this : God Said to Kill Muslims (Religious War)

So Dont be ashamed : Other cultures are like us tooo .

america is also doing same thing in iraq & iran.

Every Culture have pors & cons (just like windows & linux) so no one is better

Thanks

Well nowdays they are killing human being and eating them. A popular case is happening in india right now. Where they killed small children and eat them.

Originally Posted by minniawochat

Hi

Christ never said to Kill any one

But POP of vetican said this : God Said to Kill Muslims (Religious War)

So Dont be ashamed : Other cultures are like us tooo .

america is also doing same thing in iraq & iran.

Every Culture have pors & cons (just like windows & linux) so no one is better

Thanks

What about Islam you forgot about them?. They are the ones who doing this a lot.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by minniawochat

But POP of vetican said this : God Said to Kill Muslims (Religious War)

It is Moslem leaders who says and releases fatwa against X'ians.some Muslims are very intolerant.
DUde!Christians are one of the most tolerant ppl.most of them dont care for their religion!leave them.pope never said such things.

[planetcall]

We already have a thread running over the issue of having faith in god so lets not make this one as another parallel thread to that. I strongly feel it to be idiotic to open large mouth on Great Indian culture when the orator himself is unaware of the very basic fundamentals. Sati and similarly many other stigmas started due to some reason. There were reasons for its persistence. Something that continued for so long......still continues because people don't want to think over it. They don't want to clean the faith and revert to its originality, rather there are many educated people who simply cut off themselves from the Indian tradition calling entire thing to be crap. Everyone is free to follow their faith and custom but calling something crap in one go shows the behaviour as perturbed and juvenile.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

@ free bird


christians are in same category of moslems or even worse of them

1.Killing jews for a 2000 yrs was done by christians not moslems
2.Crusades by chrsitians another example of intolerancy of christians
3.Killing womens by alleging as witch in Europe was common tradition till 17th century
4.catholic christians still hates jews
christians destroyed many civilization specially in central and south america

No one is tolerant

[praka123]

^^ hmm,semetic(Isai,Jooda,Islamika) religions are intolerant.No one is perfect.but i too feel Christianity is much evolved in 20th century,they lost their holds on Europe,AMericas and most christians.there are only "name-sake" christians exists.Catholic Pope and other leaders knows this and knows that their influence sanks to a bare minimum.Europeans,AMericans are Atheists,I feel.but they are amazed by the 1400 yr old swashbuckling habbits thrown out by the Islamic militants.thats it.

Originally Posted by ssdivisiongermany1933

@ free bird


christians are in same category of moslems or even worse of them

1.Killing jews for a 2000 yrs was done by christians not moslems
2.Crusades by chrsitians another example of intolerancy of christians
3.Killing womens by alleging as witch in Europe was common tradition till 17th century
4.catholic christians still hates jews
christians destroyed many civilization specially in central and south america

No one is tolerant

1. Oh really?.
2. Crusades was due to Islamic conquest on europe. If the Crusades have not stop them europe would be under islamic regime.
3. It happens everywhere.
4. Who brainwashed you?.

Oh really they distroyed central and south america.

/me laughs.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

Thunder bird

Incas ,Mayan ,Aztec civilization come to cease because of christian atocrites

Regarding , simply crusades were not for europe , they were to capture jerusalem but unfortunately crusaders failed severely there .

[praka123]

stop comparing Christians of 400 yrs back with todays?One simple question: Did ur Muslim brothers growed tolerance after these many years?madarssa's openly preaches Christian's,Jews and AMerica as enemies,isnt it?where Islam tolerant?definitely not.
^ I know that being a Muslim U cannot tolerate anything,true facts about the religion.Muslims are indeed the most cruel.A 10 yr old Afghan? boy killing CAptured whites,is it what u call tolerance.
Christianity is much more tolerant and refined than both jews,Muslims.
Hinduism being the pioneer in tolerance.they allowed the minority to rule them for near 900 yrs.But Hinduism didnt die as earlier happened with Islamic invation around the world.there are meanings for vedas and puranas.sure Hinduism is not a religion is a way of life for a billion people;even non-hindus!

Originally Posted by ssdivisiongermany1933

Thunder bird

Incas ,Mayan ,Aztec civilization come to cease because of christian atocrites

Regarding , simply crusades were not for europe , they were to capture jerusalem but unfortunately crusaders failed severely there .

How are we suppose to say those civilization was destroyed by christians?. Were you there at time?.

I wonder if the people would say atlantis was destroyed by christians.

Has i said Crusades wanted to remove has much has islamic conquered. The main reason of crusades was given by pope. Nowhere in the bible it says kill the people. Bible did not preach violence.

At this part you simply did not want to say Islamic conquest you simply want to support them.

[faraaz]

HAHA!! If there was ever a comment designed to elicit maximum flames on this predominantly Hindu board...that was it!! This should be fun...

[kalpik]

And i though discussing religions was not allowed here :-S

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by ssdivisiongermany1933

hiuduism is religion of cowards , that's why they served both Muslims and brithish for about 1000 yrs

hold ur words back dude! theres a limit for everything. this is a public forum! know ur bounds. dun act like a maniac! refrain from making such comments!

i'd say rather than linking tolerance with religions link them to the communities/regions. i think INDIANS are the most tolerance and this includes hindus, christians, moslems, sikhs, parsis etc. our country comprises of so many religions/castes. there were blasts at gateway of india a few years ago, parliament, mumbai local trainz, iisc bangalore. the dead were hindus, Xians, moslems, sikhs. but did any community retaliate??? NO! this is what is tolerance! its that indians are the most tolerant.

look at the US, for every small damage caused to them they hit back in a very large scale. they are intolerant (there maybe reasons, which i'm not going into. just limiting the discussion to tolerance). now look at the afghan govt. led by hamid karzai. there are still so many blasts, attacks do they fire back? NO... so they are tolerant and they are moslems. look at what hitler did to the jews. did they wipe out germany? NO! they are tolerant. what happened in britian on 7/7? did they destroy pak as most of them were trained there? NO, they are tolerant and they are christians! look what US did to japanese. did they destroy the US afterwards? NO, they are tolerant! the ltte mounts attacks on sri lanka. are they not tolerant? the maoists attack nepal, the ulfa in the north east. are the nepalis and the north east indians not tolerant? are both the parties not hindus???? yes they are! so stop linking tolerance wid religions! think sensibly.

STOP thinking this crap that I'm a hindu, u are a christian, u are a muslim, he's a parsi, he's a sikh. DUN FORGET THAT U ARE AN INDIAN FIRST! leave the religions behind.

Originally Posted by faraaz

HAHA!! If there was ever a comment designed to elicit maximum flames on this predominantly Hindu board...that was it!! This should be fun...

refrain from supporting such posts. they'll do good to no one. this will only divide people!