Does India need a revolution?

[Yamaraj]

I'm now formally sick of India's current socio-political status, with all its stupidity, corruption, fake "India Shining" daydreams, humans rights issues, irresponsible media, a British-Raj Police system, inadequate education and health systems, and the unnecessary burden of bureaucracy. The list can simply go on and on.

The bottomline is - democracy in India in broken and rotten to its very core.

I strongly believe that we need our first proper revolution against this beast of our government system. They're sleeping soundly, only to wake up once in while to check their swiss bank accounts and organize fake rallies against each other when the elections are due. Even the voters couldn't care less. How many of you sincerely care about party policies and read their menifesto before hitting the ballat? How many of you baffle at our police system that still retains its British-raj attire? How many of you have felt the frustration in govenment offices, while lining up to pay bills, poor roads, our "World class" municipal corporations? How many feel betrayed because of our incapable and inherently corrupt judicial system - when Salman doesn't go to jail even after killing humans and animals alike? When SC continues granting endless bails to Laloo? When our PM doesn't care if there's a killer in his rock-band of monkey-ministers?

How does it feel like to see our government bending its back for Amrikaans, and ready to lick their feet? Or to see DRDO/HAL deliver nothing after all these years and thousands of crores of wasted investments? Look at Pakistan. Their JF-17 is even pulling orders from other countries, while it's yet to be introduced in PAK Airforce. Their Khalid tank is practically ridiculing our lame Arjun tank, which even our Army has declared as "not fit" for their purposes.

The issues are endless, and I would rather talk about them while my fellow members raise questions or show interest in an honest and serious talk about this country and this government of ours.

I would like my fellow members to think, ask, then think again, and only then register their votes here. All this voting without any thinking is what has made our country what it is - a day-dreamer sloth.

Let's decide our own future!

[=CrAzYG33K=]

Nope .. no revolution for India..
That'd rip the economy to smithereens, and then India would have to start from scratch again! Pakistan looks set for a revolution, but dunno if it'll finally come through. There are many ways for India to correct itself, Revolution isn't the only way!
Just my two cents ...

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by =CrAzYG33K=

There are many ways for India to correct itself

Sure, there are many. Like, embracing Rahul baba as our future PM (err ...King), continue pretending and ignoring that rural India even exists, keep dreaming of turning Mumbai into Shanghai. And who doesn't like reading MiG crash reports with morning tea, right?

To change is life.

[=CrAzYG33K=]

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

Sure, there are many. Like, embracing Rahul baba as our future PM (err ...King), continue pretending and ignoring that rural India even exists, keep dreaming of turning Mumbai into Shanghai. And who doesn't like reading MiG crash reports with morning tea, right?

To change is life.

Change is required .. AGREED
But again .. Like I said, Is revolution the only way?
As I post this .. The Forex rates are :
USD Vs INR : 40.760
This has been achieved after a mighty struggle by India.. Do you want that to come crashing down ?

EDIT:
The USD was like hovering around the 45 Rupees mark for about 2 years or so, and it changed like 6 months ago ..

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by =CrAzYG33K=

Change is required .. AGREED
But again .. Like I said, Is revolution the only way?
As I post this .. The Forex rates are :
USD Vs INR : 40.760
This has been achieved after a mighty struggle by India.. Do you want that to come crashing down ?

EDIT:
The USD was like hovering around the 45 Rupees mark for about 2 years or so, and it changed like 6 months ago ..

By "revolution", I do not necessarily mean an armed and violent uprising against all. My ideal government will be more open and transparent - actually representating the citizens, not ruling over them. A law enforement agency that will be friendly, not insulting to the common man - willing to listen and co-operate, helpful, intelligent and will not behave like a personal army of politicians. And there will be one law for all - regardless of religions, caste, gender, color or race. My ideal government will not officially recognize religions and castes. Issues like temples and mosques will not hamper paliament sessions, and politicians will be treated as they should be. My ideal government will consist of intellectuals, philosophers, ground to Earth people with real foresight and common men from all classes. There won't be a place for dirty politics.

Indian swiss bank accounts will be disclosed and assets will be returned to the country - as an aid in education, health services, food and military. There are many things that we, the uncorrupted, can carry out. We can run the country if we desire so - with will and intelligence. We're better than the scumbags polluting this country with their very presence. We can do better!

[cynosure]

^^ I agree with Yamaraj.
And you will be happy to note that in some parts of the country, some very good guys are fighting election and if they are selected then we can think of a bright future for India. The change will be gradual but it will happen.
For more info:
www.bharatpunarnirman.org

[mediator]

Well, I agree we need something. Non-violent Anti-reservation protest was a real instance....Just look at Arjun Sing, he is still proceeding with it all....how absurd!
But I can't find an appropriate option to vote coz from 1st option it seems u want a dictator (u shud edit it...if I'm not wrong about ur views), 2nd => I'm definitely not happy with things they r, 3rd I want to vote!

[Yamaraj]

^
1. Not necessarily a dictator. An ideal government can be a board/panel of a few honest intellectuals like our President, philosophers, top military generals, civil servants and benevolent corporate minds like Narayan Murthi. I don't want a Stalin running this country, either.

2. Good to know that you're not happy with the things as they are.

3. I hope things are clear enough for you, so you can express your opinion honestly.

[kumarmohit]

We can tweak our democracy by amending our constitution, either make this a Direct democracy like the Switzerland or federal structure like USA with a Presidential democracy. But naturally our Power hungry parliament and politicians want more power by day so expecting them to relinquish power is like expecting Emperor Palpatine to introduce the New Republic.

[mediator]

I know ur views coz we have been discussing for pretty long now. U need not explain it. Thats y I asked to edit it!
Neways in short my "expert opinion" is that we shud have a democratic government that upholds all the values of democracy without any partiality.....no hypocrisy, no unequalness, no corruption, no looting of *,.....things that resemble the corruption today! I guess this what everybody wants!!??

[Choto Cheeta]

Out of Question... !!! There is no chance... !!!

[mediator]

^ Any reason or logic supporting ur statement?

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

Out of Question... !!! There is no chance... !!!

You can be a little more specific. As I requested in my original post, you should only vote after doing some thinking. And if possible, you should share your views with the rest of us.

[Choto Cheeta]

Revolution comes when people find them self no where to go...to an Extrem point ...

where as in India we are facing some thing ;like Slow Poisoning ....

A dog will go mad or Byte his master when tourchered so much that it cant take much... but when u feed it 10% of the require food, it will die but staying loyel to its master...

same with us.. we are the victim of Slow Poisoning

Thats why I said as there is not much of an anger to flame one

Also Indian Arm forces are more than capable enough to stop any such action

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

Also Indian Arm forces are more than capable enough to stop any such action

Indian Armed Forces will always support the citizens. There is a reason why Indira Gandhi was afraid of a military action against her shortly before the declaration of emergency. She was worried about the intelligence reports confirming that JP had convinced many army officials for support in overthrowing her government.

[Choto Cheeta]

70's in west Bengal thousands of Young Brilliant Men and Women were killed. as they tryed to force one !!!!

They gave birth to Naxal !! tryed to force one with their blood... but Armed Forces, killed because they are bound to follow order ...

that was some horrible time... Police was on rampage to stop... !! our parants and older member of family (Not only us, every one of West Bengal) witnessed the horror !!

[kirangp]

First thing I would like to see happen is remove the countless number of parties & make it to a limited size...around 3-4...Otherwise only coalition govts form & the majority party wont be able to take firm decisions at all....

[Yamaraj]

Opine freely and without any fear people! You're free to exercise your right to the freedom of expression. Our constituion grants this right to all of us, and if the government doesn't like it - it may go fsck itself.

[freebird]

it is horribly corrupt states like Up,bihar etc..
So needs a revolution,but no way a dictatorship helps.

[mediator]

But again .. Like I said, Is revolution the only way?

Mass,non-violent Anti-reservation protest was a kind of revolution too don't forget that. Their (student's) actions is bringing atleast some result!
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/supreme-...s/37225-3.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/N...ow/1830328.cms

As I post this .. The Forex rates are :
USD Vs INR : 40.760
This has been achieved after a mighty struggle by India.. Do you want that to come crashing down ?

What about the suicide by and plight of farmers? Don't forget India's economic base is its agriculture! So do u want the economy to crash?
What about 1 crore+ illegal bangladeshi immigrants? Aren't they sucking our economy and even getting voting cards? What about government hospitals....have u ever seen how many bangladeshis and pakistanis line up there becoz off free treatment? Why even give free treatment to a few pakistani in the name of friendship? Is that their money that they r getting treated for free? Isn't that a misuse of our economy?
I'm sure many r familiar with the repair of roads that authorities dig and repair and when finally everybody hopes to walk/drive on it they dig it again and take another 2 years to repair it. If u rn't familiar with it, then come to delhi and ask local residents...they'll educate u on it giving plenty of instances!

Help Save such things and u'll find that economy will rise unparalleled.

Revolution comes when people find them self no where to go...to an Extrem point ...

Reservation is an extreme point. How many types of reservations do these leaders want? Minority reservation, OBC reservation, Sc/ST reservation. Rich get their work done by buttering. What the heck, Is being a middle class hindu a crime in India?

same with us.. we are the victim of Slow Poisoning

Thats why I said as there is not much of an anger to flame one

Also Indian Arm forces are more than capable enough to stop any such action

Its appropriate to take actions when u r conscious. How can u even act when u have been poisoned completely? Also just think that the reservation was just non-violent. Imagine what wud have happened if they wud have gone violent. I fear they wud have played chain saw massacre then in parliament or some kind of Rang de basanti! The leaders wud have met their final destination then and I doubt if even the Indian army wud have been able to stop the students then!

[techtronic]

We must avoid the multi-party system and follow US policy of just two parties functioning at the top level.

This would reduce unnecessary delay in making amendments and passing new bills.The resource crunch will also be reduced in this way

Cutting daily allowances for attending the precedings of the houses have to be cut. Why should the MPs/MLAs should be given daily allowances for attending the precedings when they are given salaries on a monthly basis ?

Reservations in Schools and Colleges should be avoided at all cost.
Instead of that programmes sponsoring education to children of poor and the downtrodden right from primary level should be made compulsory.

What is the use of allocating seats in colleges when the student is unable to live upto his expectations at school level ?

Police, Law and Order should be brought under the control of an independent organization that does not crumble under pressure from the ruling government/opposition

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by techtronic

We must avoid the multi-party system and follow US policy of just two parties functioning at the top level.

This would reduce unnecessary delay in making amendments and passing new bills.The resource crunch will also be reduced in this way

Cutting daily allowances for attending the precedings of the houses have to be cut. Why should the MPs/MLAs should be given daily allowances for attending the precedings when they are given salaries on a monthly basis ?

Reservations in Schools and Colleges should be avoided at all cost.
Instead of that programmes sponsoring education to children of poor and the downtrodden right from primary level should be made compulsory.

What is the use of allocating seats in colleges when the student is unable to live upto his expectations at school level ?

Police, Law and Order should be brought under the control of an independent organization that does not crumble under pressure from the ruling government/opposition

This will also mean that if the two parties are hell bent on having something done regardless if it is right or wrong, they will do it. Take reservations for example. No third party will mean no alternative opinion. Our democracy will soon become an oligarchy in such a case.

[Yamaraj]

^A very good point. Even now with multiple parties, they have clearly hijacked the entire country and the constitution. IMO, political parties are extremely dangerous to a sane and pure democracy. Is there any political party in India worthy of a proper government? I would highly disagree.

Keep discussing and let the ideas flowing.

[praka123]

BIG no to reservations of any types in India.

We certainly need a revolution and a military coup is necessary. Our military generals are not capable of doing that. Other than a military there is no one else. Or we need to start a militia and throw the government or a blitzkrieg attack on all states is only way to remove the government of india.

[esumitkumar]

Revolution is needed but it will come by literacy...We ppl are literate..and get good food etc..thats y we think all abt human values

uss janta se jaake pucho jo 2 waqt ki roti bhi nahin jutaa paati


What u will do if ur made PM for one day ? I will

- remove all type of reservations
- enforce 2 child law (like China)
- enforce Uniform Civil code
- enforce 2 party system
- make education complusory for everyone
- make education free upto 12 for all

[mediator]

U mean like Nayak ?

[esumitkumar]

yessss

[praka123]

^ Fictitious not real life one

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by esumitkumar

Revolution is needed but it will come by literacy...We ppl are literate..and get good food etc..thats y we think all abt human values

uss janta se jaake pucho jo 2 waqt ki roti bhi nahin jutaa paati

While I do respect your views and opinion, a one-day PM won't be able to pull many stunts as shown in the movie. And we don't need a patriotic government for a day only.

I would also like to add one item to your list - conscription, a compulsory military service for the young men and women of this country. Clearly, few respect the freedom and the life they're blessed with, and even less have deep respect for this nation and its unity. People are too busy fighting for their regionalism, language, clothing, religions, castes and other things mundane.

I'm of the opinion that conscription will bring patriotism and discipline to the masses. And in case a total war breaks out with countries like Pakistan and China, our military won't perform upto its mark without solid support of civilians. And that isn't possible until and unless every single person of this country respects the land, the people and himself.

Our governments have long ignored that Pakistan is actually an army which has its own country. The very reason it exists is because of our weakness. I have nothing against its people, but the Pakistani military, its intelligence services and the dictatorship are hell bent on breaking our country again.

And it's very disappointing to see, that in this day and age, our government lacks the foresight and the will to act with an iron fist against these immediate threats. In stead, they're dividing the country themselves, on the basis of regionalism, language and even national assets like rivers - thus making the job of external threats even easier.

People, our own politicians are the worst kind of traitors of the motherland. They must be taught a lesson.