Moral Police

[chicha]

what is wrong with us.

We are the most narrow minded people.
what is wrong with the people,
what is wrong in a small peck, things like this should not even be printed in news papres forget hitting the fornt page!!! And across all the news channels under "BREAKING NEWS" "FLASH NEWS"
my A**s.
We are in 21centure and we are a developning nation making a huge impact on global market in almost all areas, and to act like this?

these people are pulling the country down to dogs.
if this topic has been raised once or many time i do not care.
i am frustrated.
i come from college with all the subjects running in my head, i sit to see some TV and VOLA people are burining posters, some where they are showing ASH ABI wedding.

why does it have to hit the headlines? and y for more than 2 days??????

[praka123]

===same feelings===
firstly zee tv is covering it like some alien predator reached here!

Ash ko abhi divorce karA dega later watch and see!

Originally Posted by chicha

what is wrong with us.

We are the most narrow minded people.
what is wrong with the people,
what is wrong in a small peck, things like this should not even be printed in news papres forget hitting the fornt page!!! And across all the news channels under "BREAKING NEWS" "FLASH NEWS"
my A**s.
We are in 21centure and we are a developning nation making a huge impact on global market in almost all areas, and to act like this?

these people are pulling the country down to dogs.
if this topic has been raised once or many time i do not care.
i am frustrated.
i come from college with all the subjects running in my head, i sit to see some TV and VOLA people are burining posters, some where they are showing ASH ABI wedding.

why does it have to hit the headlines? and y for more than 2 days??????

I dont know about narrow-minded people. I can say india is not a civilised country at all. The huge impact on global market is a myth and a lie. I keep hearing and hearing that india has talents and blah and blah. It is nothing but a lie. If india has really have that type of talents. I dont see good companies in india. The only thing india has is call centres. Call centres is a low profile and pathetic job. Most of them join mostly for high salary.

Our "beloved" politican are having luxury time in robbing and sucking people tax and put them to their pockets. India is such a sad country.

[faraaz]

Yeah...especially if you have lived abroad for a significant period of time, come back home and you see the state of affairs...agar hamesha se aadat hai to ek baat hai...lekin bahar ka haal dekh ke ao...bahut ghaleez country hai hamaari!

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by thunderbird.117

I dont know about narrow-minded people. I can say india is not a civilised country at all. The huge impact on global market is a myth and a lie. I keep hearing and hearing that india has talents and blah and blah. It is nothing but a lie. If india has really have that type of talents. I dont see good companies in india. The only thing india has is call centres. Call centres is a low profile and pathetic job. Most of them join mostly for high salary.

Our "beloved" politican are having luxury time in robbing and sucking people tax and put them to their pockets. India is such a sad country.

Totally agree with the call center part.

[cynosure]

^^ I totally agree that the politicians are a real pain in the a##es of most of the people in our country. But there are some young people who are replacing the older ones, for more info watch "yuva saansad" on NDTV, most of them are taintless and have used much of their money for the betterment of the people.
Even the well educated people like the alumni of IITs are into politics now; visit www.bharatpunarnirman.org.

I dont know about narrow-minded people. I can say india is not a civilised country at all. The huge impact on global market is a myth and a lie. I keep hearing and hearing that india has talents and blah and blah. It is nothing but a lie. If india has really have that type of talents. I dont see good companies in india. The only thing india has is call centres. Call centres is a low profile and pathetic job. Most of them join mostly for high salary.

Wait a bit bro! Youre too fast!!
First of all, the global market is not a myth. India is doing her work, it will take time. The IT industries like infosys and satyam (Even I dont like them) are nowhere in front of google and TCS but even they are making mark. The economy is making mark and is going thru a boom period but the money isnt distributed equally; rich become richer, theres a negligible increase in the income of poor, what can these guys do if the things like laptop are going cheap and food grains are going expensive, we need planing, and it aint there!!!
The finmin talks bout lowering the inflation rate, but if he tries to do that, the economic growth will decline too. You cant stop people from purchasing if youre giving them money.

We are the most narrow minded people.
what is wrong with the people,
what is wrong in a small peck, things like this should not even be printed in news papres forget hitting the fornt page!!! And across all the news channels under "BREAKING NEWS" "FLASH NEWS"
my A**s.

I do agree that the effigies are burnt, the posters are burnt but only because of the lack of education and lack of employment. You never see any well educated man or any employed person jumping in these kinda activies. Why do you think these people burn posters??? Coz the parent political party give them their salary for their support in so called "sabhayata bachao aandolan".
Even the gal(Janvi Kapoor) who told the media that shes AB junior's wife needs a break into modelling world and this is a publicity stunt and she can get an assignment!!
And yeah, the call centre guys are working or else they too wud join the youth wing of any party and go on the streets to throw sh1t on other peoples face.

And I totally agree that the news channels air total sh1t thruout the day. Its an industry which surely needs guidance, like the news of this ^^ gal was aired thruout the day.

THIS sure was long, I dont know if you read this but it was worth the effort of typing.

[chicha]

i agree with call center jobs. totally.

But don't forget that we have wipro, infosis, and 6 fortune 500 companies in
india.
what are you talking about man have you been to gurgoan, bangalore they not only house call centers but companies of all types.
there is microsoft, intel , nvidia etc...


any way they only way to help this country is to over through all the F***ing politicians.

we are run by some low-level scumb bags.
come on which other country's primeminister does not have to have basic educational qualifications?
this is serious S#$T.

[cynosure]

I was talking bout the companies of Indian origin; the MNCs are here, coz we have people. I have never been to gurgaon or to bangalore but I can bet that most of the MNCs are here coz
1) US/UK/Austalia (and many other countries) cannot issue huge amounts of work permits for the highly educated people and;
2)The labour (the lower end people of an organisation) is cheap and efficient.

The labour is much cheaper in China and their laws more relaxed and as a result this country has about 10 times the GNP of our country.

[als2]

in my opinion India will not get DEVELOPED even after 100 years where current situation is concerned.....

[faraaz]

^ - Agreed. And you know why?? Because a country can only ever be as developed and sophisticated as its people are. That's why India is uncivilized, barbaric and frankly, a joke!

[chicha]

the government of china is working a lot more for their country than ours.
I agree on the cheap labour too. We are a developing nation and need any help we can get. These people do not understand that, though it is low level(according to you, BUT IS NOT) job it will save them from poverty.
We should look forward to employee all the eligibile population but the government is too F!@#^ing busy fighting itself.

As for china its not democratic at all they will kill you if you do not follow their rules.


I personally think we need some super strong person to run this country. It will take many many many many years but it should happen.
Some one like " Indra Gandhi "

[gmanog]

Its unfortunate that you guys just keep blaming the country, why don't you guys jump into action? why you guys didnt chose to take part in Politics?
If you highly educated people are not willing to take part in politics, then who will chage it?
You guys just want to chage the country, but you will not put any effort or work for it? someone else will come and change the country for you??
more worst is, Just getting out of this country and settle in western countries telling that India is not a good country.
If India is not good then it means Indians are also not good, do you guys accept it?
Do you guys really think India is uncivilized?? then you are also uncivilized citizen.
Stop blaming.

Its not correct for the TV channels to give so much importance to these marriage and all, but why do you guys watch it all day long??
switch off the TV and start doing some constructive work for your nation, atleast for yourself.

[cynosure]

^^I surely agree with you dude. Until the youth start doing the work, nothing gud can happen. But taking part in politics aint easy. The atmosphere is such that the candidate starts getting threatning calls and things like that. And yeah, dont think bout nonbiased elections. Most of the people vote the candidates of their caste/community/"dharm" etc. So wining an election is also very tough but not impossible !!

@chicha:: I surely agree with the fact that china is not a democratic, but "world's largest democracy (India)" is not democratic in any sense. The power is with wrong people and they try to interfere with other people's business. There might not be freedom in the business environment of china but the public environment is lot more free than we have in India in some senses.

And dude, the amount of quality work is very less in India, chota-mota work is ample here. You can pull a richshaw anytime, but that aint a job for an educated person. According to a recent survey by NASSCOM, 85% of engineers in India are gud for nothing and in contrast to that our education ministry says that INdia's higher education is up to the mark!!!
Even in one school in my city the post of LabAss fetches people with M.Sc, what bout that?? Is this a quality work?

And yes, even a superneta wont be able to do anything coz all the laws are passed thru the assembly and most of the corrupt people wont agree to any law which can decrease their "extra income" (What happened to the reservation issue??? some netas were against it but the %age was small and they cudnt stop it from happenning). What we need are some taintless politicians who win the elections over the tainted ones. ONce the %age of taintless people in the assembly decreases, then we can think of new revolutionary laws. The process is slow but worth it.

[faraaz]

@gmanog: I don't blame the country...I blame the people. Can you honestly tell me I'm wrong?? You are right. If people care enough, they will take action and make changes. It will take time, but you just have to be patient. And guess what? The overwhelming majority in India doesn't give a fsck about the country!

[gmanog]

^^ is yourself not included in the Indian people you blame??
There good people really doing good things for the country and people.
I didn't mean to tell that you are blaming, almost everyone is doing it. This attitude of ours should change.

Its not as if you have to participate in active politics, you can do lot of other things in lot of other ways.

[Yamaraj]

If you ask me, everything is wrong with India. People don't really give a $hite about the way government functions. Politicians are busy 24/7 looting all the resources they can can get their hands on. Even a small-time state level minister has hundreds of crores worth of property. Infrastructure, human rights and quality of services fare even below that of many Afrikan countries. Government is trying to ignore important issues rather than solving them - like the Naxal problem, NE conflict, India-Bangladesh border issues, growing influence of China in this region and the J&K. I needn't mention our foreign policies - for there are none. On one hand, our inherently corrupt politicians claim that we're going to be a "superpower nation" within a few years, but at the same time our entire cabinet behaves as if we have no sovereignty at all. Voting against Iran only to please Amrika is only one such example. Are we looking forward to becoming a superpower without a backbone?

Our educational system is only good for churning out cheap labour for developed nations. "Respected" institutes like IITs have failed to contribute anything significant and credible to scientific research communities. Needless to say, there is not a single Nobel laureate in any university in India. Even worse is that now we're blindly copying the Amrikan way of teaching-and-learing, without realizing that Amrikan education is actually far worse compared to the European or even Asian countries like Korea, Japan and China. Seriously, forcing students to adapt Amrikan "accent" is not going to make them any brighter.

Do I even have to mention the condition of Indian industries, particularly the state owned military facilities? Sadly enough, even Indonesia is light-years ahead of us in terms of innovation, copying, and production of military technology, let alone China. The so-called "indigenous" Arjun tank is a failure, even with all its "videshi" parts. We can't even properly assemble a tank! Same goes for SAM, AAM and Tejas projects. Another "indigenous" machine - Dhruv helo, is actually a copied design with Israeli aviation. And it's another rotten feather in our cap.

India suffers because everyone is using her as a launchpad for a better life somewhere else. You don't spend time and resources decorating and taking care of your hotel suite, do you? We don't have to accept spineless political ba$tards as the saviors of our nation. And, we don't need the "ambitious" pro-west crowd - for all they care about is an Amrikan Visa.

We need true patriots, intellectuals, philosophers, warriors, and ordinary people - with a vision to change. It's not actually the kind of government that matters - it's the people in charge. There will be a revolution then, that'll change the way people think of themselves, their lives, and everything else surrounding them. This is exactly what we need.

A revolution - with or without guns.

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

If you ask me, everything is wrong with India. People don't really give a $hite about the way government functions. Politicians are busy 24/7 looting all the resources they can can get their hands on. Even a small-time state level minister has hundreds of crores worth of property. Infrastructure, human rights and quality of services fare even below that of many Afrikan countries. Government is trying to ignore important issues rather than solving them - like the Naxal problem, NE conflict, India-Bangladesh border issues, growing influence of China in this region and the J&K. I needn't mention our foreign policies - for there are none. On one hand, our inherently corrupt politicians claim that we're going to be a "superpower nation" within a few years, but at the same time our entire cabinet behaves as if we have no sovereignty at all. Voting against Iran only to please Amrika is only one such example. Are we looking forward to becoming a superpower without a backbone?

Our educational system is only good for churning out cheap labour for developed nations. "Respected" institutes like IITs have failed to contribute anything significant and credible to scientific research communities. Needless to say, there is not a single Nobel laureate in any university in India. Even worse is that now we're blindly copying the Amrikan way of teaching-and-learing, without realizing that Amrikan education is actually far worse compared to the European or even Asian countries like Korea, Japan and China. Seriously, forcing students to adapt Amrikan "accent" is not going to make them any brighter.

Do I even have to mention the condition of Indian industries, particularly the state owned military facilities? Sadly enough, even Indonesia is light-years ahead of us in terms of innovation, copying, and production of military technology. The so-called "indigenous" Arjun tank is failure, even with all its "videshi" parts. We can't even properly assemble a tank. Same goes for SAM, AAM and Tejas projects. Another "indigenous" machine - Dhruv helo, is actually a copied design with Israeli aviation. And it's another rotten feather in our cap.

India suffers because everyone is using her as a launchpad for a better life somewhere else. You don't spend time and resources decorating and taking care of your hotel suite, do you? We don't have to accept spineless political ba$tards as the saviors of our nation. And, we don't need the "ambitious" pro-west crowd - for all their care about is an Amrikan Visa.

We need true patriots, intellectuals, philosophers and warriors, and ordinary people with a vision to change. It's not actually the kind of government that matters - it's the people in charge. There will be a revolution then, that'll change the way people think of themselves, their lives, and everything else surrounding them. This is exactly what we need.

A revolution - with or without guns.

Do you have one reliable proof where india is supporting America?. I need a reliable source. It is easy to blame on America when we use their technology.

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by thunderbird.117

Do you have one reliable proof where india is supporting America?. I need a reliable source. It is easy to blame on America when we use their technology.

India is not only supporting Amrika, we are practically widening our legs for them. Since I'm a biker, I'll cite a recent news concerning import of Harleys and export of Mangoes in return.

Though bikes in India have to meet the Euro IV norms, Harley Davidson is being been given a liberal treatment. But its bikes would have to meet at least Euro III norms.

Source - http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/apr/13bike.htm

Why the "liberal treatment"? Because Dubya took a personal interest in the export of HDs to India, and a little "arm-twisting" yielded the desired results.

You probably wear T-shirts and golf-caps with NY logo on it. I can't complain!

And,
(a) I didn't blame Amrika, did I? I actually blamed ourselves for blindly supporting and copying them.
(b) I don't think we're using "Amrikan" technology by any means. I don't know of any product, that I am using, which was entirely conceived, designed, manufactured in Amrika without borrowing anything Asian or European. Last time I checked, binary logic couldn't exist without the Indian "Zero".

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

India is not only supporting Amrika, we are practically widening our legs for them. Since I'm a biker, I'll cite a recent news concerning import of Harleys and export of Mangoes in return.


Source - http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/apr/13bike.htm

Why the "liberal treatment"? Because Dubya took a personal interest in the export of HDs to India, and a little "arm-twisting" yielded the desired results.

You probably wear T-shirts and golf-caps with NY logo on it. I can't complain!

It is india that is doing this mainly because of politican intrest. Indian goverment always do it for their own will but not the people.

About the bikes i wonder for who. We are under criticial danger of global warming. The himayalas are going to vanish and destroy half of india. Thanks to pollution and expensive cars and bikes and people luxury. Cant they plant trees atleast?.

Tell me what do expect for indians to remove indian government?. There is nothing we can do about the min we speak against the politican the min a bullet will be in our head.

So tell me will india ever improve?. I dont think it will ever happen.

[mediator]

It can happen, I bet it will improve, but only if u join politics!

[sivarap]

C'mon people....don't blame india or others.....It is you(we) who is to be blamed.
Letme start from teh smallest things...
have u never thrown a paper on the road???? I am sure everyone has. even i have.(but now I don't)....have u ever thought that it is our country and u are decreasing the beauty of the place by littering?
*Jumping traffic signals,
*Bribing a official for a signature in the Driving license. though not directly....thro a driving school.
*spitting PAN
*have u ever stopped a guy from doing these small errors????? If u have then u are in the track of development. U may think my points are silly......but the basic thing here is DISCIPLINE....Our people are not taught to be disciplined....
All people think about is themselves. Also they want others to make life good for them.
We sit on our own $hit and say the stink is coming from the neighbor.

[gmanog]

^^ your points are not silly dude, you are correct.
There is no meaning in blaming others, these people who blame others, what do they do for this country??
Their only contribution to this country is their balming.

[chicha]

The word politics its self is corrupted.
We talk like this now and i am sure most of us will fall for the power sooner or later.

As i mentioned we need very strong rulers like "Indra Gandgi".

Originally Posted by sivarap

C'mon people....don't blame india or others.....It is you(we) who is to be blamed.
Letme start from teh smallest things...
have u never thrown a paper on the road???? I am sure everyone has. even i have.(but now I don't)....have u ever thought that it is our country and u are decreasing the beauty of the place by littering?
*Jumping traffic signals,
*Bribing a official for a signature in the Driving license. though not directly....thro a driving school.
*spitting PAN
*have u ever stopped a guy from doing these small errors????? If u have then u are in the track of development. U may think my points are silly......but the basic thing here is DISCIPLINE....Our people are not taught to be disciplined....
All people think about is themselves. Also they want others to make life good for them.
We sit on our own $hit and say the stink is coming from the neighbor.

SPOTON my friend with out DISCIPLINE nothing is possible every small detail makes lots of impact when there are over a billon people doing it the wrong way. Why do you think after being bombed by a NECULAR weapon JAPAN is the MOST ADVANCED country in the world? hardword and lots and lots and lots of DISCIPLINE. come one they even have uniform way to drink their TEA!!!

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

india is best country in the world , but people here are worst

Israel and USA are baddest in world , but their citizens rocks ......

[cynosure]

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

If you ask me, everything is wrong with India. People don't really give a $hite about the way government functions. Politicians are busy 24/7 looting all the resources they can can get their hands on. Even a small-time state level minister has hundreds of crores worth of property.

I agree with this point.

Government is trying to ignore important issues rather than solving them - like the Naxal problem, NE conflict, India-Bangladesh border issues, growing influence of China in this region and the J&K.

Look dude, the problems of naxals is not very easy to handle. This is not any organisation with fixed number of people, this is an org. with the people of same state of mind. You kill 1000s of them, more will be spawned within an year. These people can eat away any huge force which is sent to their place within an year or two coz they have sophisticated weapons and they are concentrated in a small place.

Our educational system is only good for churning out cheap labour for developed nations. "Respected" institutes like IITs have failed to contribute anything significant and credible to scientific research communities.

Use google to search for the term "Brand IIT" and you will get your answer.

Needless to say, there is not a single Nobel laureate in any university in India.

We dont have very good research facilities to produce nobles. People flee to western countries for better pays and hence these countries have more patents and medals.

Even worse is that now we're blindly copying the Amrikan way of teaching-and-learing, without realizing that Amrikan education is actually far worse compared to the European or even Asian countries like Korea, Japan and China.

I agree with you, just because a few (0.000001%) children commited suicide, Arjun Singh screwed up the education system of the country without even thinking bout the majority of the studious students (which as a fact never commited suicide, never heard of any reports)

And, we don't need the "ambitious" pro-west crowd - for all they care about is an Amrikan Visa.

Dont talk like that. Dont you feel envious (I do) when you see that the people of Amrika who do as much labour as we do, ride on busas and gixxers and BMWs, have the latest PCs and play the latest games, have been laid millions of times .
People who go there think bout the same things and end up doing that.

We need true patriots, intellectuals, philosophers, warriors, and ordinary people - with a vision to change. It's not actually the kind of government that matters - it's the people in charge. There will be a revolution then, that'll change the way people think of themselves, their lives, and everything else surrounding them. This is exactly what we need.

100% right. But when you see crores of rupees in front of you which you can take easily, you just dont think bout the country and in these situations, whatever kind of a person are you, you most probably will turn greedy. I am not talking bout everyone but most of us.

~~~PEACE~~~

[faraaz]

Originally Posted by gmanog

^^ is yourself not included in the Indian people you blame??
There good people really doing good things for the country and people.
I didn't mean to tell that you are blaming, almost everyone is doing it. This attitude of ours should change.

Its not as if you have to participate in active politics, you can do lot of other things in lot of other ways.

Of course I include myself in that category, because if I'm totally honest, I'm just as bad as anybody else when it comes to lazy, callous behaviour which is the shame of our country. But guess what?? Everybody else does it too!! Not a valid excuse is it? Now you know why nothing is going to happen to our country to improve it.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

indians needs their ass to be kicked , what british did , mughals did and finally Mrs Indira gandhi did during emergency time ,l

then indians will do some good ,

[mediator]

Nopes, I think u shud refresh ur history lessons. I think India was much better place before "mughals and britishers" spread their stool here. BTW, how did mughals kick our arse? .....By converting people to a growing religion so that politcians here can appease them and divide the society on the basis of religion and their religious heads beg for and promote reservation or by destroying the temples across India or may be so that the India before (i.e India,Pak,Bangladesh) can be divided and people fight among themselves?
How did Britishers do good? By looting India, its gold, its wealth, killing people and creating communal tensions and again helping divide India into India Pak?

Sooooo Do U want this to happen again...... becoz u "think" indians will do good after that?

I dunno y people here curse India so much. Some think china is better. Read!
Some think US is better. I dunno if people really feel free there! I dunno how they manage when they wanna go to loo where there is no "shulab shochalaya" and "fines" all around. Public embarrassment? U think life there is excellent. Have u ever compared the prices of water and coke there?

Its a famous saying that has been repeated many times here, but uninterpretable by closed minds who r fascinated by firangi gals etc.

"Doosre khet ki ghaas, hamesha zaada sundar/hari lagti hai".

So if u don't like the conditions in India, then help improve it instead of sitting in ur AC room 24/7 polluting the atmosphere outside. Why do politicians appease SC/St/minorities? Have u ever thought how many of ur friends....that is people from higher class/mid class actually go for voting?

They say education makes u ethical....this is what people genreall say here and whine. Well, we all know how many "gutka" lovers elegantly open the door of their imported car and spit the red colored saliva out. So Ethical....anyone?

There is a lot more I can say....but people here won't be able to read it! So before cursing India, think atleast what u can do and then think if u have ever actually done that all! Ponder a little deeply this time! U shud have Come to delhi and seen how protest was done over reservation. I bet no where in India saw that much non-violent protest. Do u know who actually brought the data that OBC readings were based on 1930s era?
Read. Its result of students actions, our actions. So sitting in front of ur PC 24/7 and cursing all the time wont help. Come out in reality and face the sun and think what needs to be done.

[cynosure]

Even our towns and cities dont have so much of "sulabh shauchalyas" and talking bout fines, every household of the US has to maintain a gud garden in front of their house or they are fined, result: there is much more greenery there and a large part of the land is under greenery.

Look what increasing the challan amount in Delhi has done to the city, now there are less people jumping the traffic lights, less people breaking the traffic rules, and this is conformed by the traffic department.

So I think people can be controlled this ways.

And yeah, you cant compare the rate of different commodities of diff. countries. In US, you earn in dollars, and you spend in dollars. The min. income to be above the poverty line is 19k there, here the guy with same amount of money would be a millionaire!!! Here the limit of povery line is only I think 200 or 500 rupees(I read this in class X so am kinda confused) and this is much less than $19K.
What if you go to Middle east countries, petrol is cheaper than water there and the govt doesnt take taxes from the common people, you cant compare the prices of petrol over there and here. And you cant compare the prices of semiconductors/ammunation in the US and India.

I am not cursing India in any way, this country rocks but sometimes the people(esp. bajrang dal and shiv sena) here do things which can really become a pain in the arse of normal ppl like us. Dont you feel so, dont you feel angry when you see that these ppl burn the effigies of anybody who has made a negligible mistake.
You wear national flag as a dress(Malini Ramani) or you use it as a cake and cut it(Tendulkar); A firang gives you a kiss(shettyji); you talk about AIDS and prevention of STDs and things like that (Sania Mirza and one heroine of south); you wear short skirt while playing tennis(Sania Mirza) and there are many other examples and everytime you are going to be under the knife of these ppl. These ppl are crzy and should be sent to an asylum.

I know in the above posts I said this all is due to unemployment and illiteracy but still everything has a limit.
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[faraaz]

^ - You are 100% correct!