Should there be any moderation for the 'Fight Club' forum?

[aryayush]

Hello!
First of all, I am not starting this thread to advocate that members should be given the license to break all rules in the Fight Club forum. In fact, there is nothing personal in this topic. So, please do not say later that I want moderation to be removed here so that I am safe from being 'miserabled' in future. In fact, I think there should be moderation in this forum.
So, why did I start this topic? Well, when I and gx_saurav were miserabled for a few days in the topic 'I Hate Macs!!!', many people requested that there should be no moderation in this forum. I wanted to see how many people actually support that notion. So, please vote in the poll and post replies to let us know.

[Kiran.dks]

Moderation is a must. No room for any other thoughts.

[tarey_g]

MOderation should be there, members must behave.

[eddie]

"No moderation" vote from my side.
Quote from "Fight Club" description

only the thick-skinned should enter

[mediator]

I vote for "mild moderation"! Its normal in debates that people go off-topic, personal and start flaming each other. No one shud be banned or miserabled for such obvious and expected things. If things really start to deteriorate with no meaningful discussion then mods can just close the debate.

Everyone watches debates on TV news channels and Parliament. In parliament leaders not only get personal, but start throwing iron rods and chairs at each other. Thats the height of misery and the session is adjourned then!
So, Similar action shud be taken here only when necessary!

But what I see is people tend to initiate a debate in Non-Fight Club arenas and tend to get personal,start posting their philosophies and off-topic replies! If moderation is needed somewhere, then those areas are very much eligible!

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by mediator

Everyone watches debates on TV news channels and Parliament. In parliament leaders not only get personal, but start throwing iron rods and chairs at each other. Thats the height of misery and the session is adjourned then!
So, Similar action shud be taken here only when necessary!

reminds me of U.P & Patna parliament

[Arsenal_Gunners]

^^They throw mics not iron rods

[mediator]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

reminds me of U.P & Patna parliament

For those leaders, a debate is not a debate until and unless some heavy weight stuff is thrown at each other and some muscle is shown!

[tarey_g]

Originally Posted by mediator

Everyone watches debates on TV news channels and Parliament. In parliament leaders not only get personal, but start throwing iron rods and chairs at each other. Thats the height of misery and the session is adjourned then!

you are comparing the misbehaving polish1tians with digit members , no dude ppl here are not that bad.

[mediator]

^^I wasn't comparing!

[Arsenal_Gunners]

^^F-Club

[Aberforth]

Moderation is necessary to prevent things getting personal and flammable levels. Arguments in normal debates are countered by reasons and logical replies, not by "You are stupid..", "You flunked in school.." and such personal and unwarranted personal comments instead of logic. This is not debate but logical fallacy called argumentum ad hominem, which means attacking a person's character or person to enrage him and discredit him in a debate. I see a lot of this happening here (no names) and I think if parliament of India inpires them to sink low, bad idols...real bad.

Moderation is necessary to contain this and preserve the integrity of the forum and the goal of this forum. Sometimes it seems to go overboard but well, nothing is prefect and no one can be too careful.

[aryayush]

:dumbfounded:

[rahul_becks23]

what mods................

[Pathik]

i think no moderate moderation shd be there...

[Aberforth]

Originally Posted by eddie

"No moderation" vote from my side.
Quote from "Fight Club" description

Well that wouldn't justify using personal and derogatory comments. I have more than a thick skin, bullet proof armory but then you can't withstand snipers with that..and so do a lot of other members.

When someone says something like, "You are a toddler.", "Did your parents teach you this?", etc. it stops being a normal debates and turn towards a pathetically provoking personal attack when they have run out of logical arguments or find their position threatened. Its just like goons whipping out a gun when they can't wrestle hand to hand. In such situations its in best interests moderators intervene so that the fight doesn't go personal leading to bans.

[mediator]

AS I stated "mild moderation" is justified as from "Feb 2006" we have started to experience "troll" from some members. They call themselves "experienced" in each of the threads and then post personal comments, off-topic replies, try to deviate the topic even after repeated requests for not to. Not to mention the threads when the person asks some question to get his problem solved and all these "trolls" answer is their philosophies. e.g I remember a person started a thread "Audio quality poorer in FC5 than SuSE
" and the troll replied by saying "If you go to a doctor and say, "Doctor I'm not feeling well", do you expect the doctor to find your problem without your explaining anything?" and never gave the solution or hinted at one.

These "trolls" have their ego so high that they don't even understand what insults are. Not agreeing to them also sounds like an insult to them. And then they start posting personal comments. I think such kinda trolls shudn't be tolerated outside of FIGHT CLUB.

Also, I wud like to vote for moderation in "PM" thing as some trolls start flame war and personal comments in mailboxes after losing a debate! How pathetic can one get?

If anyone wanna see the nature of such trolls then he can PM me to see their extreme state of misery!

[Pathik]

wat kind?

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Intelligent one

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by mediator

Also, I wud like to vote for moderation in "PM" thing as some trolls start flame war and personal comments in mailboxes after losing a debate! How pathetic can one get?

I do not know about vBulletin but on InvisionBoard, it is possible to track personal messages. But I think it is highly impolite to track others' "private" messages. I wouldn't want someone to moderate my PMs.
mediator, if someone is irritating you with stupid PMs, stop replying. I am sure they will stop messaging you.

[prasad_den]

I support mild moderation... Personal attacks and abuses should be a strict No-No..!! Justifying your argument with logic is one thing, justifying it with abuses is something else..!!

[lalam]

Without moderation things would go crazy here afterall what is this place call FIGHTCLUB!!!!!! Yikes!

[Aberforth]

Originally Posted by aryayush

I do not know about vBulletin but on InvisionBoard, it is possible to track personal messages. But I think it is highly impolite to track others' "private" messages. I wouldn't want someone to moderate my PMs.
mediator, if someone is irritating you with stupid PMs, stop replying. I am sure they will stop messaging you.

Tracking messages could be done so that we know if our message has been read or not. Its possible both in IPB and vBulletin, in vB it is called 'read reply receipt'. And if PMs really offend someone it is quite easy to block them using Buddy/Ignore lists instead of whining here and there. It is better to carry an argument in a PM instead of mud slinging in public forums, if one is not mature to handle even PMs...well.

Finally I don't think this topic has quite to do with PMs, it's about moderation of Fight Club forum so let us keep it on topic instead of trying to divert it.

[aryayush]

I think you misunderstood my point. In InvisionBoard, the administrators can read the full content of the PMs of members. I am sure this (mis)feature must be there in vBulletin too. I think this is a very intrusive feature and should not be used.

[Aberforth]

Originally Posted by aryayush

I think you misunderstood my point. In InvisionBoard, the administrators can read the full content of the PMs of members.

It does not exist there by default in IPB as far as I know. There are a couple of modifications (mods) available in Invisionize (a mod/skin site) which enable this in Invision Power Board and similar plugins ar available for vBulletin too at vbulletin.org. Anyway it is not really difficult to read PMs in forums, they aren't encrypted or protected in any way and a few SQL queries is all it takes to get them from the database, if required.

I have it in my forums and I use it to track and delete trolls' PMs from members inboxes (usually vulgar, porn, pharma or viagra site ads). I could not be bothered to read members personal convos as they are of no interest to me or my fellow admins, besides there are too many PMs going around and nothing too interesting if one were to bother reading them.

[aryayush]

Well, a lot of people exchange links to warez on this forum through PMs. I myself have been requested to do so in the past (but I refused). People who do so would be busted if the admins decided to track the PMs of members.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by aryayush

I do not know about vBulletin but on InvisionBoard, it is possible to track personal messages. But I think it is highly impolite to track others' "private" messages. I wouldn't want someone to moderate my PMs.
mediator, if someone is irritating you with stupid PMs, stop replying. I am sure they will stop messaging you.

Thanx, for the suggestion bro!

I really tried to make friends with one troll (like I do with everyone) who has been whining continously since he entered here in "Feb 2006". I was quite surprised how he talked bullsh** initially about one of the members to me for his likeness for Mac OS in my PM. I felt like he wanted some kinda backup and was mass mobilising the people here against one of the Mac users here through PM. Then after sometime he started narrating his misery to me, flaming me again n again in my inbox becoz of closed debates between him n me.

I think the troll doesn't realise that his posts in PM were not a discussion, but continual of his personal insults towards me. I think he needs to read his PMs to me again.

Neways ur right! I'll put him in ignore list if he doesn't changes his attitude and matures up soon!

I think such mobilisation against a particular member through PM shud be moderated.

[mehulved]

Before discussing further on this topic, recall how many of you'll have reported each other's posts in the Fight Club. I am not gonna take anyone's name but many of you'll who have made a post here have at some time or the other reported somebody else's post in the Fight Club as offensive. If you'll don't want moderation then why report?

[Aberforth]

^^ Point to be noted.

[mediator]

Well I always reported only when opposition did so, so that if the moderators read my posts, then they shud read other party's posts too and then decide for themselves.

As for reporting, I never wanted any of the members to get miserabled or banned just becoz of a debate. I'm sure that if I had made it a habit of reporting then many other's wud have been miserabled or banned by now for various and different reasons.

This section has been made for this very purpose to have debates and has been tagged appropriately => "thick skinned......". Its quite normal for some people to get personal. It happens in every other debate......read my prevous posts!

Thats why I say that there shud be mild moderation in FIGHT CLUB.