karnataka vs TamilNadu

[the.kaushik]

friends whats ur opinion.. Karnataka and Tamilnadu is fighting for water.They are forgetting we re Indian.Other countries might be laughing to this situation na! This is Ridiculous.
Friends ur opinion are invited!

for details: http://www.ibnlive.com/news/karnatak...p/32761-3.html

[ilugd]

why should other countries laugh? They have their own problems. Tamil Nadu and Karnataka have smaller problems. Look at Assamese and Biharis. Or the Karbis and the neighbors. When we live with neighbors of a different culture whom we don't relate to, there are bound to be problems.

[peace_loving_guy]

what's new in their fight... delhi haryana fighting for water for a long time.. Delhi UP fighting for buses over a long period of time....

[ilugd]

^^^
agreed
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You really wanna fight, lets discuss who are better, keralites or tamilians. (I am a tamilian by the way and so you know who i will fight for. )

(Disclaimer: Just 'coz this is fight club. I am not a racist. - Christ! I really am scared shitless enough to need to put a disclaimer on a geek forum)

[Aberforth]

How does an internal fight between two states undermine India. Lack or availability of water is a major issue, fighting over it isn't a silly thing. Delhi and UP have been arguing over power and Yamuna water pollution for a long time. Such fights occur in other countries and even in US.

[pauljose]

And the verdict is out. TN gets more water now. Ppl in Karnataka will have to suffer. am sure there are gonna b riots around. ppl in karnataka. look out.

[anandk]

remember i said it first here :

the future wars will be fought over fresh water !

[infra_red_dude]

protests are already on... but this seems more of political motivation! thats bad!!!!

I was telling my mum today. This people especially tamil people are <snip> for all the things. Tamil Nadu is not just fighting with karnataka. They are also fighting with kerala to increase the water flow in dam to increase the level when kerala people said that if the dam is overflow the dam will be cracked and millions of kerala people will die. Tamil government let that be. They just want the water.

I just wonder if this people are human beings or they have demons inside them. It is not about being indians it is about we are human beings we all have same blood.

[the.kaushik]

Originally Posted by thunderbird.117

I was telling my mum today. This people especially tamil people are <snip> for all the things. Tamil Nadu is not just fighting with karnataka. They are also fighting with kerala to increase the water flow in dam to increase the level when kerala people said that if the dam is overflow the dam will be cracked and millions of kerala people will die. Tamil government let that be. They just want the water.

I just wonder if this people are human beings or they have demons inside them. It is not about being indians it is about we are human beings we all have same blood.

u re right.. politics is the root of all these

[goobimama]

Well, Karnataka is planning on putting up a dam on the Mhadei river, effectively blocking out water source to Goa...

[faraaz]

Give with one hand, take with another...

[prasad_den]

Originally Posted by thunderbird.117

I was telling my mum today. This people especially tamil people are <snip> for all the things. Tamil Nadu is not just fighting with karnataka. They are also fighting with kerala to increase the water flow in dam to increase the level when kerala people said that if the dam is overflow the dam will be cracked and millions of kerala people will die. Tamil government let that be. They just want the water.

I just wonder if this people are human beings or they have demons inside them. It is not about being indians it is about we are human beings we all have same blood.

I'm astonished..!! How can you say that tamil people are greedy and demons..!! That was uncalled for... Just because it originates in karnataka, it doesn't mean that the entire cauvery belongs to it.. And no one is taking the decision here. This recommendation has been made by the tribunal appointed by the Supreme court. If karnataka does not accept the verdict of the Supreme Court, then whose word is it going to accept..?? It'll not take too long for TN to retaliate in the same manner... Most of the power supply to the southern states comes from Neyveli in TN.. Think twice before you post rubbish..

[mail2and]

@thunderbird.117- That language is seriously uncalled for.

[gdatuk]

thunderbird this is especially for u. read the below information. And pl remember that you have a great tool called internet. Search for information before you express your emotions.

The Cauvery river originates in the Brahmagiri ranges of Kodagu district flows through large parts of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu and also some parts of Kerala and Pondicherry.

No attempt was made to utilise its waters for irrigation until 1883 when the Diwan of the princely state of Mysore launched a scheme. His primary aim was to increase the revenue to the King's coffers. The Diwan's move was resented by the Madras presidency under the British Raj. Thus began the Cauvery dispute which is yet to be solved.


The Cauvery row had some respite after two rounds of talks between the Mysore state and Madras presidency in 1892 and 1924. Mysore was permitted to construct a dam in Kannambadi village to impound 44.8 thousand million cubic feet of water. Madras appropriated to itself the right to construct a dam in Mettur in Selam district to impound 93.5 tmc ft. Madras had what is called prescriptive rights over the upper riparian state of Mysore. Malabar district was then part of the Madras presidency. Malabar is now part of Kerala, and Kerala too has joined the Cauvery fray.


The 1924 agreement was valid for 50 years, after which there was to be a review. It stipulated that Mysore could undertake any extension of irrigation by impounding Cauvery waters only with the prior consent of the Madras presidency. Twelve years after Independence and 15 years before the expiry of the pact, Mysore, by then rechristened Karnataka, wrote to Tamil Nadu, inviting its attention to several clauses, and suggesting changes. Tamil Nadu turned down the plea. Changes, it said, would be contemplated only after the expiry of the pact in 1974.


The central government began an initiative soon after, but the entire issue was given the appearance of a bilateral dispute between Tamil Nadu and Karnataka, the other two riparian states, namely Kerala and Pondicherry, having been left out until the 1970s.


Meanwhile, Tamil Nadu had expanded its irrigation by leaps and bounds against the letter and spirit of the agreement. Its acreage increased from 1.665 million in 1924 to 2.82 million by 1971. Karnataka's score showed a rise from 314,000 to 682,000 acres. The agreement had stipulated that Madras was entitled to increase its irrigation land to only 300,000 acres. Mysore's quota was 110,000 acres. Both had violated the agreement.

Countless rounds of talks have taken place to resolve the issue, without any success.

According to a study conducted by the central government in 1972, the utilisation of water from Cauvery in Tamil Nadu was 489 tmc ft against Karnataka's 177 tmc ft. Now Karnataka wants to utilise 465 tmc ft, against its present usage of 312.32 tmc ft. It is against this background that Tamil Nadu went to the Supreme Court.


The Cauvery Water Tribunal, in its interim award of June 1991, ordered that Karnataka release 205 tmc of water to Tamil Nadu during one water year, that is from May to June. It also stipulated a weekly quantum of flow, much to the chagrin of Karnataka. This led to large-scale violence on Tamils living in Karnataka. Karnataka has followed the interim order and has released much more than 205 tmc ft of water every year except during the year 1995-96. This led to the Supreme Court coming down heavily on Karnataka.


The tribunal which had been investigating the issue for 16 years finally came out with its verdict on February 5, awarding 419 tmc ft for Tamil Nadu and 270 tmc ft for Karnataka. Kerala was awarded 30 tmc ft and Pondicherry 7 tmc ft.

- Source

[Ganeshkumar]

Originally Posted by prasad_den

I'm astonished..!! How can you say that tamil people are greedy and demons..!! That was uncalled for... Just because it originates in karnataka, it doesn't mean that the entire cauvery belongs to it.. And no one is taking the decision here. This recommendation has been made by the tribunal appointed by the Supreme court. If karnataka does not accept the verdict of the Supreme Court, then whose word is it going to accept..?? It'll not take too long for TN to retaliate in the same manner... Most of the power supply to the southern states comes from Neyveli in TN.. Think twice before you post rubbish..

I agree with prasad....

Dont blindly point tamil people like this...
It is karnataka people who make revolts n attack tamil people living there ...
In the past no one might have heard that in TN tamil people attacked other state people for these type of things...
It is those karnataka people who goes firing are demons.. (Those who do stone throwing....)

[infra_red_dude]

wudn't it be better if we speak something sensible?? this thread is going nowhere. just worsening things at this forum. we are no one to decide on the outcome, neither on who is rite and who is wrong. if we are not happy wid the decision we can file a petition or participate is peaceful march... but in physical world. just pin-pointing one another, saying someone is demon someone attacks etc. will only create hatred among ourselves. let the govts. and the courts do the deciding thing. we'll extend our support to whatever we think is correct, but defintitely not start a war in an online forum like this!

[ilugd]

hey chill it infrared. This IS the fight club- to let off steam!! Maybe it is not tech, but a few posts like this doesn't hurt. It is better than fighting over caste or color. It shouldn't just go to that. Tamil Nadu or Karnataka or whatever, who the hell cares!! I am a tamil in Delhi, my roommate is a keralite, my friend's wife is from Karnataka. Frankly I don't give a damn. But still is it is interesting to see how people react.

[freebird]

I feel kannadiga vs tamil war(not a real war,hidden mostly) is running for a very long time;even before the kavery water hmm...,if u travel in Bangalore in a taxi or auto-these ppl are cursing poor tamils for all the unnecessary things.Indian citizens,i suppose can move to any part of the country and live there,exceptions may be kashmir.but in Bangalore,majority of kannadiga's are against tamils and may be in kerla also-this is my personal view. each kid is taught a hate message for tamils as if they are inferior or there color is more blackier than kannadigas.why?this is silly.make Bangalore a real cosmopolitan City rather killing and rioting for the blood of a fellow state people.Even Sardarji's and Malyali's seems to be on most parts of the country and there is no hullabaloo on them.but poor tamils.tamilnadu is having water problem in real time.barren,less fertile lands,no greens any where.people are standing in long queues for water,poverty @ maximum.this made Tamilians to venture into other parts of the country and karnataka too.let them live.dont be arrogant.

[ilugd]

ha! thats funny freebird. I understand that you are tamil. Let me tell you, I am tamil too. I have lived in North India for my entire life except for 5 years in Tamil Nadu. I agree that neighboring states have a prejudices against Tamils. But I think that even if a fair Tamil Brahmin advertised that he is a Tamil, they would hate him. It is rather a matter of mentality. And you would agree that south indians are more culturally rigid. So long held mental blocks continue to foster displeasure.

As for me, most of my acquaintances do not even know I am from Tamil Nadu, and as I said in my previous post, don't care. It is more a matter of society changing its attitude. This is just a symptom by the way, this problem is manifested in quite a variety of ways over there. Ever tried talking to a girl on the bus in southern districts of tamilnadu and kerala. Though the girl might know you, (infact i travelled with my sister once) the public will nearly lynch you. (It nearly happened to me then) But it was in a small town (Alangulam, in case anyone knows) but it basically shows the conservative and closed fist mentality. Same problem, i hear in Kerala and Karnataka.

[freebird]

am not a tamil for that matter not a kannadiga.let my anonymity remains.but i stayed in both these(karnatak and TN) states and knows their mentalities very well.I think tamils are poorer people.both financially and living status.kannadigas are better in their income and available infrastructure.Tamilians also have some problem.they cant easily let themself acquainted to some other languages/regions.that was probably bcoz of less sanskrit content in tamil LANG.]

[ilugd]

strike batches?? could you clarify that?

[ilugd]

Ah! and what has that got to do with color or anything. I don't thing what you said has any relevancy to the topic being discussed.

TN southern districts or northern districts, I haven't found much difference amongst them. And yes, you are right, I am from Tirunelveli (I like Halwa by the way, in case anyone understands it). But what is your point? That people from southern districts are more open minded or tolerant? I said I was open minded, didn't I? Or is it that we are dark skinned, filthily poor and illiterate?
<smoke comes out of ear and nostrils>

[freebird]

^^ that said;not a single intention of hurting any 1!;sorry yaar!i went off topic.let's continue...

[ilugd]

i didn't mind. But did you notice that it is only us 2 who are slugging it out? Seems noone else is interested.

Originally Posted by prasad_den

I'm astonished..!! How can you say that tamil people are greedy and demons..!! That was uncalled for... Just because it originates in karnataka, it doesn't mean that the entire cauvery belongs to it.. And no one is taking the decision here. This recommendation has been made by the tribunal appointed by the Supreme court. If karnataka does not accept the verdict of the Supreme Court, then whose word is it going to accept..?? It'll not take too long for TN to retaliate in the same manner... Most of the power supply to the southern states comes from Neyveli in TN.. Think twice before you post rubbish..

Thank you calling my post rubbish. It you who speak rubbish. Has if the kannadigas are going to listen what supreme court says. Bangalore has 510 cores on monday bundh. It is kannadiga farmers who is suffering with this verdict. When the farmers are affected every people will suffer from outcome. Karnataka also get power supply from Andhra Pradesh. Unless India does not join all the rivers. No one is going to be happy. This cavery fight is going on over 200 years.

You need to think before you flame me.

[freebird]

the better solution is to immediately join the northern himalay originating rivers to southern rivers-that will benefit both north and south;north will see saving floods and south will get water all the year round.

Originally Posted by gdatuk

thunderbird this is especially for u. read the below information. And pl remember that you have a great tool called internet. Search for information before you express your emotions.

Internet will not tell you everything. You will get information only when the files is stored on servers. If it is not stored on servers basically you will get any information.


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@everyone :- Iam very sorry for making a mistake for calling tamilian or kannadigas demons are what ever i said. I do know they many nice tamilian and kannadiga people out there. The demons i called are people who slaughter other people for their selfish needs.

But also rememeber when they was a terrorist attack in mumbai. What did you people say to muslims?. You bascially said the same thing has i said to them(tamilian&kannadigas).
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Originally Posted by freebird

the better solution is to immediately join the northern himalay originating rivers to southern rivers-that will benefit both north and south;north will see saving floods and south will get water all the year round.

That is good idea. That is what abdul kalam said about joining all rivers. But i do see anything been done.

[s18000rpm]

why dont the TN Govt. make BIG Desalination Plants in Tamil Nadu (one is @ Kalpakkam Atomic Power Station, but not for public cause).

Really BIG Expensive Project, favourite word for Politicians (corrupt punk a$$es), may take years to build but its the FUTURE.

TamilNadu (dunno about other States) is really low on ground water (coz of evry1 usin bore-well). but no Scientist gives a ##$% about it, why is our Indian Govt. like this, why dont they EVOVLE atleast a little bit

btw was there a need for Bandh

Originally Posted by s18000rpm

why dont the TN Govt. make BIG Desalination Plants in Tamil Nadu (one is @ Kalpakkam Atomic Power Station).

Really BIG Expensive Project, favourite word for Politicians (corrupt punk a$$es), may take years to build but its the FUTURE.

TamilNadu (dunno about other States) is really low on ground water (coz of evry1 usin bore-well). but no Scientist gives a ##$% about it, why is our Indian Govt. like this, why dont they EVOVLE atleast a little bit

btw was there a need for Bandh

Our indian government are lazy people that is why. It is not tamil nadu is suffering from water. Almost all the whole globe is suffering from it. What is scientist going to do. They tell some lies and people believe them.


They was no need for bundh. But IT companies suffered a heavy loss. How long is this things keeps going?.