Who could be the Antichrist?

[stephen7]

Who could be the Antichrist?Give your opinions with proof.

[Yamaraj]

Why does it matter? BTW, I'm Anti-all-religions and Anti-all-psychopath-sociopath-schizophreniac-self_proclamied-prophets.
That makes me a perfect contender.

[mediator]

I guess Dan Brown !

[rakeshishere]

Originally Posted by mediator

I guess Dan Brown !

LOL

[anandk]

there could a little bit of him in EACH of us

this may interest u
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/show...ghlight=christ

[mediator]

dood! There was a movie based on this 6.6.6 concept. Do u know the name of the movie? I watched it when I was a kid around 8-10 yrs ago!

[praka123]

End of Days! with Arny *ing and anti christ? infact antichrists are available right here in our forum itself

[QwertyManiac]

Omen ?

[mediator]

Omen? is it a very old film or a new one?

[QwertyManiac]

The old Omen is very old, Then came Omen II, Omen III and Omen IV. Now a new Omen released on 06.06.06 in the US. But the old Omens were the real deal!

http://imdb.com/find?s=all&q=omen

[mediator]

Ok then i'll download it tonite!

[Apollo]

These are enough to get you started:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01559a.htm

This is purely a propaganda. Or maybe not.
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

[nikhilrao]

Maybe Musharaff is him.

[shaunak]

Heard it on the history channel
Charecter traits of antichrist
1> Good orator
2> Finatic
3> Pure evil
you know the list.
The history channel justifies this as hitler.

I have different candidates:
May we please call on stage [applause please]
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Candidate no 1: Mushraff! Shoulda heard his speech in the UN General assembly yesterday!

Next canditate? His new found [ie post afghan war] brother from another mother G W Bush.

And from this side of the LOC mr. Arjun Singh and his evil quota politics.
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So who will it be 1,2 or 3?
you decide.



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not intended to hurt anyone [including musharaf and bush]
just a bit of fun!

[nix]

can be osama bin laden...

[chesss]

opinions with proof.

proof???

[Vyasram]

people believing that there is something called antichrist and another big one called the big bang

[sysfilez]

The highest authority called pope.

The christian's themselves!
After all Jesus was born a Jew and he was a carpenter!. The irony is that the carpenter got crucified on the cross! and who betrayed him? hmmmm.......

[praka123]

if X'ians are like Moslem's,what will happen to you Poon?actually i believe U do remember danish cartoons depicting portraits of Mahomed,the Prophet...
Christians do have much tolerance.

My dear friend Christians are worse than muslims. I hope you remember the atrocities committed in the past. Even today America the biggest terrorist has declared war on terrorism. I think they are the bigger threat than Islam. If you want a discussion about religion I can give it to you.
Your statement has stereotyped muslims I think If christians were like muslims we would be better as it is a fact that the media is trying to hide after all Islam is superior to christianity. Christianity is the most discriminatory religion in the world as they try to convert. They think it is there burdern to go and preach the gospel around the burdern
Rice bowl christianity. "When the white man came we had the land he had the bible, when he left he had the land we had the bible".

However there is a different between Christianity and "Churchianity"

[mediator]

I disagree poon! There is clear cut line between "few", "some", "most" and "all" that can dramatically change the meaning of ur post!

When talked about terrorism, u shud say "most terrorists found are muslims today", "few" muslims are terrorists today.

Originally Posted by poon

Christianity is the most discriminatory religion in the world as they try to convert

U can't mark any particular religion as discriminatory. Only its followers take the wrong path. I agree in the past "some" christians tried to convert and some today still are. But that doesn't mean all christians are like that. I also know that some whites still try to practise apartheid, but then again not all whites r like that. Go to UK and US, u'll find most people especially whites with good, helpful & friendly nature. "Most" People who try to create terror there today r blacks or "negros". Everybody is afraid of them ! Go there n check for urself!

Originally Posted by poon

Even today America the biggest terrorist has declared war on terrorism. I think they are the bigger threat than Islam

Islam is not a threat! But extremism is a threat! Yes, America is the biggest threat. But Americans are not a threat! U shud classify ur thoughts of what ur saying! U shud know when America attacked Iraq for WMDs, almost the whole US n Uk opposed their leadership's actions! AMericans came on streets n burnt the effigies of Bush n Blair. The whole world condemned this.

So please don't hate religions! All religions r the same. But its only its followers who try to to defame the religion and do bad practices. Some muslim clerics n Maulanas who try to teach incorrect history n science to Muslims, some christians who try to convert and spread wrong messeges, some fake pandits who take bribe n generate wrong kundlis and spread wrong messeges outta their ignorance are all the same. These people need to be eradicated from the society n people of their particular religions shudn't oppose it!
We Hindus have come out of our ignorance already n don't give any importance to fake pandits. Only some uneducated and mindless Hindus get motivated by such pandits. Christians converters shud be taught a lesson. And one thing is most Muslims are still not liberal yet. They still try to defend their Maulanas and clerics who try to spread wrong messeges and wrong teachings and history. So a Religion has nothing to do with hate or discrimination!

[john_the_ultimate]

I have neither seen Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha or as a matter of fact any hindu God. So how can we even be sure as to what's written in our so called holy book are ture. I think religion was created by humans so, we can't just say that some religion is bad or worse but one must realise that the followers (human) are good or bad.
So one must evaluate a person by is values rather than what religion he/she belongs to.
So it not the chirstian or muslims or hindus that are bad but its the people who are worse.
It is very easy for people to blame a particular religion than to accept the fact that it is their own fault.

I totally agree with you guys. I know you can never generalise and it is wrong to make such direct statements. But I did it purposely to start of a debate in reply to the previous post. I guess my statements were too much of a direct attack. I have very well meaning friends from all different religious backgrounds.
regards guys

[DeSmOnD dAvId]

@Poon, are you trying to start a eRiot here, I think we must stick to the topic of this thread and dont branch away.

Also, If america is the cause of unrest in the world, how can you blame all christians? The religion doesnot preach violence, it is the mentality of the people that makes the difference. I am not at all offended by your words but, I just thought that you should know.

As for the anti christ,I think he has always been here. For, sin in the world didnot start since 6/6/06, it ws quite before that. The antichrist knows everything going on and trying his best to bring the world at war. He is already paving the way for the final judgement.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

I have neither seen Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha or as a matter of fact any hindu God. So how can we even be sure as to what's written in our so called holy book are ture.

If u haven't seen the above holy people, then that doesn't mean ancient texts are wrong! U shudn't talk about ancient things like that! May sometime in 3000 AD all the rural areas become urbanised or may be the situation become a hell like in "Matrix". Then how'll the people know what was rural? They might say same like u that it might be false. People tend to disbelieve what they dont know or dont have evidence about most of the times. SO instead questioning whether its true its better not to say nething about it! Or if u wanna question then u shud have an argument with ample evidence to support it!

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

I think religion was created by humans so, we can't just say that some religion is bad or worse but one must realise that the followers (human) are good or bad.
So one must evaluate a person by is values rather than what religion he/she belongs to.
So it not the chirstian or muslims or hindus that are bad but its the people who are worse.
It is very easy for people to blame a particular religion than to accept the fact that it is their own fault.

I agree absolutely and wud like to add that people shud have a sense of judgement before following their religion. They shud not follow anyone,maulana,clerics,pandits,pope etc blindly and shud also see/check if their preachings causes any hatred or communal tensions!

[john_the_ultimate]

Originally Posted by mediator

If u haven't seen the above holy people, then that doesn't mean ancient texts are wrong! U shudn't talk about ancient things like that! May sometime in 3000 AD all the rural areas become urbanised or may be the situation become a hell like in "Matrix". Then how'll the people know what was rural? They might say same like u that it might be false. People tend to disbelieve what they dont know or dont have evidence about most of the times. SO instead questioning whether its true its better not to say nething about it! Or if u wanna question then u shud have an argument with ample evidence to support it!

I didn't say that the text is wrong but pointed out that all of it is not the truth. Infact, I think that as the teaching of these books filtered down the generations, people added stuffs for their own benefit.
Also those who believe in holy people also don't have any evidence to prove their existence but still they believe. So maybe tomorrow if I fell like I would also start believing in god/holy people.
Also would like to point out that if people stop asking question then we may never find any truth/answers for our arguments.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

1. I didn't say that the text is wrong but pointed out that all of it is not the truth. Infact, I think that as the teaching of these books filtered down the generations, people added stuffs for their own benefit.
2. Also those who believe in holy people also don't have any evidence to prove their existence but still they believe. So maybe tomorrow if I fell like I would also start believing in god/holy people.
3. Also would like to point out that if people stop asking question then we may never find any truth/answers for our arguments.

1. An English Dictionary doesn't get published if the company is found to be violating the terms and adding its own words and incorrect meanings. Validation is the key! Similarly holy books can't be published like that. All the pages and the pieces of wisdom are verified first before making its copies! Yea filtering is there, but not in books but in our own minds where ignorant pandits,maulanas,clerics,popes etc keep on saying nething they like and adding their own rubbish statements!
2. Don't get offended, but do u have any proof who ur great great great great grandfather was?? and if he really existed?? and whether u really follow his bloodline?? Similar is the case with holy people! I hope u don't expect the ancient people to have camera shots and blood samples of those holy people for u too agree!
3. Ofcors u shud ask questions, the whole world of science n evolution is based on spirit of questioning! But u shud have a strong argument with evidence to support that questioning!

[john_the_ultimate]

Sorry but maybe I am not able to explain myself.
But I simply wanted to say that I just pointed out that the "TEACHINGS" get filtered, I did not say anything about any books being validated for publishing.

Secondly, its not the matter of proof but of choice. And I am not really interested into knowing as to who my forefathers were. But if I could I would like to have some samples........

Thirdly, people who belive in holy people don't have any evidence to prove their existence and this is the argument as to "why they still believe in them"? And the answer is as I had stated earlier, its a matter of personel choice.

Well this discussion could go on and on. It's better we return to the topic. So in my opinion the real ANTICHRIST are people of today (most of them).......maybe I am also one of them.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Sorry but maybe I am not able to explain myself.

Ur not the only one. Most people try to debate without making themselves clear!

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

But I simply wanted to say that I just pointed out that the "TEACHINGS" get filtered, I did not say anything about any books being validated for publishing.

May be, but u said they "added" stuff! Where? Anybody wud percieve that u said it about books!

Originally Posted by ohn_the_ultimate

Secondly, its not the matter of proof but of choice. And I am not really interested into knowing as to who my forefathers were. But if I could I would like to have some samples........

U want to have choice for u that holy people existed or not? Now thats insane. If u had limited it to proof, that wud have been understood! Its better to be logical than to be insane n asking about choices!

As for the highlighted part, Its a common human nature and I guess the most idiotic nature too that humans shud try to change! U don't want to keep a watch on ur history and u want others to give evidences from holy people's history??????????

U dont know who ur forefathers were! Tommororow ur children will ask who ur grandfather was! Since u dont know beyond ur father, what will u tell em? Ur children will ask for proof, what will u show em? Will u say, ur grandfather was a fictitious character? or perhaps a character from some story?

I hope u got mah point. The same's the case with holy books and holy people. Most People don't usually maintain their family tree and their culture. Then it starts to deplete n later the future generations ask who the man was from that culture! If they had maintained their history, then future generations instead asking "who he was" wud have been praising "the one who was before them".

So asking for concrete evidences like some video footage,blood samples (if u want that) in such a case, is a little far-fetched and a further mockery of the human nature I guess. So start making ur family tree, before ur children begin to ask for proof of even ur grandfather!

As for samples, aren't the ancient paintings, statues etc enough for u that date back to 1000s of yrs? We have Mahatma gandhi's statue. Wud u like if future generations ask absurdly like u even when they know all about Gandhiji and have a statue of him? U know n I know that gandhji existed, but will u like future generations to talk like u??

So instead of showing how insane the human nature can get, its better not to talk further!

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Thirdly, people who belive in holy people don't have any evidence to prove their existence and this is the argument as to "why they still believe in them"? And the answer is as I had stated earlier, its a matter of personel choice.

What evidence u really want?? Video footages?? Aren't the existing proofs enough for u? Its like convincing Pakistani leadership that there are terrorist camps operating on its soil! No matter how much evidence u give em, they still won't believe it !

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Well this discussion could go on and on. It's better we return to the topic. So in my opinion the real ANTICHRIST are people of today (most of them).......maybe I am also one of them.

Thats better!