Who could be the Antichrist?

[john_the_ultimate]

Ya, better for the fight to stop before someone gets hurt. After all this is section "FIGHT CLUB".

[prashanthnbhat]

Originally Posted by shaunak

Heard it on the history channel
Charecter traits of antichrist
1> Good orator
2> Finatic
3> Pure evil
you know the list.
The history channel justifies this as hitler.

I have different candidates:
May we please call on stage [applause please]
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Candidate no 1: Mushraff! Shoulda heard his speech in the UN General assembly yesterday!

Next canditate? His new found [ie post afghan war] brother from another mother G W Bush.

And from this side of the LOC mr. Arjun Singh and his evil quota politics.
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So who will it be 1,2 or 3?
you decide.



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not intended to hurt anyone [including musharaf and bush]
just a bit of fun!

I agree with this completely, especially the last thing about arjun singh

[mediator]

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Ya, better for the fight to stop before someone gets hurt. After all this is section "FIGHT CLUB".

Not "hurt" dear, but "mocked" because of his absurd,narrow and blind questioning and reasoning instead of thinking broadmindedly and deeply about it ! Yea this is FIGHT CLUB which is a terrible place for absurd and ignorant thinkers and posters and soft skinned guys!!!!

[john_the_ultimate]

Originally Posted by mediator

Not "hurt" dear, but "mocked" because of his absurd,narrow and blind questioning and reasoning instead of thinking broadmindedly and deeply about it ! Yea this is FIGHT CLUB which is a terrible place for absurd and ignorant thinkers and posters and soft skinned guys!!!!

Yes buddy........rightly said, "absurd, narrow and blind reasoning instead of thinking broad mindedly". But some people just can't think right. Can't help them.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Yes dear........rightly said, "absurd, narrow and blind reasoning instead of thinking broad mindedly". But some people just can't think right. Can't help them.

Soooo Ur finally getting it! N then those narrow minded n absurd thinkers keep asking for evidence even when there is ample to justify the statements! Those absurd thinkers give their expert opinions, ask for choices instead logic, don't believe in existing scientific techniques that prove that holy people used to exist, don't believe in ancient statues, don't like to maintain their family trees and then still keep on asking for evidence insanely. Yes ur right, they really need help n need to be enlightened to make them think right!!
I guess in their state of schizophrenia they expect the world to show them video footages n blood samples of those ancient people. Now how can any one produce that?? So ur correct, these people are like leftists,CPM,Arjun Singh who like to give their expert opinions and like to talk stupid openly and when they find that everybody's laughing on them, they hide their face for sometime and resume their retarded behavior again!!

Ur correct they need treatment, before everyone makes a mockery of these guys !!

[john_the_ultimate]

The real absurd guys are who just blindly believe as to what is written in some books. Retarded people can sometimes be cured but these narrow minded people who blindly believe in "HOLY PEOPLE", there is no cure for them. And maybe only their "HOLY PEOPLE" can help them.
Also people try to maintin their family tree but when u ask them as to who were the original member of this tree, they have no answer. So, when they don't know as to what/where is their origin, why jump about and say that I belong to that tree or to this?

[mediator]

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

The real absurd guys are who just blindly believe as to what is written in some books.

I told u absurd talkers never quit n like to get themselves mocked even further! No, the real absurd guys are not as u said! The real absurd guys are the ones who think that others are following blindly and think they r the best!! No one follows blindly buddy! They think they r the only sane person on the whole earth! The absurd guy is the one who schizophreniacely thinks that all are morons and he is the best. And its a well known scientific fact that such a guy is mentally retard who thinks like that about others!!!

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Retarded people can sometimes be cured but these narrow minded people who blindly believe in "HOLY PEOPLE", there is no cure for them. And maybe only their "HOLY PEOPLE" can help them.

Only retarded people like to think like that and give their expert comments like above quoted!! They don't have clarity in their own minds and foolishly come out in open radiating their miserable behaviour with such confidence!! The world has given him facts, but still he absurdly and foolishly says that others blindly follow. Now who won't generate pity or laugh on him for that?

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Also people try to maintin their family tree but when u ask them as to who were the original member of this tree, they have no answer. So, when they don't know as to what/where is their origin, why jump about and say that I belong to that tree or to this?

This is also a character of absurd talkers who post such contradicting statements!! One one hand they say family tree is there, but on other they say they can't name original member! Now who wont mock these contradicting guys?? Family tree doesn't contain empty records or blank pages buddy! If there is a family tree then ofcors there has to be original member who started that tree!
The world evoluted from single cell bacteria, then to monkeys n then to humans. So I hope u don't say the real ancestor is single cell bacteria!!

So these retarded people suffer from contradicting thoughts too n here we have a perfect example!!

[chesss]

The real absurd guys are who just blindly believe as to what is written in some books.

Naah that is not absurd. A majority of humans are programmed/evolved such that we simply become/do things that we experience during childhood.
How do I know this?

FERAL CHILDREN! a man who spend 8 years of his childhood living with chickens, still AFTER 20 years behaves like one!!!! - His brain is permanently changed!
Likewise all of us are told about god/religion/good/bad/football? at childhood and it gets permanently hardcoded in our heads.
Soem feral children recover from this, others don't.Similarly some people are able to reason others can't.

[mediator]

@john_the_ultimate : Thats more like a debate! I hope u can continue like that now

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

See I said that there is no proof so I don't belive in "holy people"...right. That's my point of view.

I can understand that. Most people don't believe what they haven't saw. Right? I too don't believe in god. But I see these holy people as normal people like us who might have achieved some sorta extreme wisdom. Nobody follows neone for no reason! Why people follow Mahatama Gandhi?? Some may even start a religion in his name!
But if u didn't see these ancient people doesn't mean that they didn't existed! Why people make statues of popular people? Why do they make their drawings? If there exist so many statues dating back to 1000s of yrs,books revealing what he did, glorious religious places in his name....... then its quite obvious that someone popular corresponding to that statue might have existed! Its as simple a logic!!

Now some people see them as GOD , thats a bit unscientific coz we don't have any facts to support it! But again these people existed! The holy books say that they had special powers. I dunno about it and things human don't know, they often term it as fictitious or imaginary. If we don't know, then we shudn't talk about it! May be there are special techniques that might have existed in ancient era and science is still not able to discover it! Dogs react to sounds beyond human hearings. Suppose u didn't know about sound waves and their ranges, what wud u have said That the "Dog is mad and reacting insanely"? Isn't it? I hope u got mah point!

So thinking that these people existed is one thing and that they were god is another thing!

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

Now, say someone ask u as to why u believe in the "holy people" and that they existed. What will be ur answer? Ya I know that it's written in books and there are ancient statues and many more thing. Other than these thing how will u explain your belief.......leave what others say.......just ur point of view. It's not the matter if you are right or I am wrong but just ur view.

Ancient Statues found in plenty+holy books are enough! But "other than these things" is a little hard for me to explain to u!
Its hard coz I guess ur a christian and I'm a hindu. I dont have much knowledge about christianity and its past ! So in ur words I'll say that it will be hard for me to convince u, that things associated with christianity are real and Jesus is real!!!

But in my own religion I can convince everybody that the holy people associated with Hinduism are for real and existed!! U have statues,books,scientific evidences,vedas, and other advancements Hinduism had! I can't describe u the whole thing here as it is really too big for me to write here!

So I request u too read this thread Ancient India, MAhabharat (Hinduism), Mysteries and Evidences!

U want facts? They r there "other than statues n books" as u wanted!

I cud have written all the content of that thread here too to make my argument more strong. But this thread is associated with christianity and I'm not here to utter nething about christianity but just "holy people and religions" topic that is brought in this thread! Also speaking about Hinduism or Islam or whateva in this thread cud have sparked communal debate! And I didn't wanted to deviate the topic!

About christianity I can't help u further, but about Hinduism.....be my guest! Read that link I gave in carefully, broadmindedly,without any hate,peacefully and unbiased. Read the comments in the sources of that thread, read what people in those sources have already said. Read the facts given by foreigners and recent findings! It will take u like 2-4 hrs to read everything in the sources.

And then atlast if u wanna comment on the facts comment in that thread only. If u wanna give expert comments PM me. But please don't start a fight there or mix it in here!

And I hope u maintain the maturity of this debate like u did now!

[john_the_ultimate]

Thanks for giving ur views........I do follow that thread.......and also think that the people of that time may had scientific capablities, which are at this moment beyond our imagination. But atleast some of those technologies should have survived but I am not able to understand as how all of it just disappeared. Maybe they are still there and we are not able see them.
About chistianity, I don't like the theory that the whole world was created in 6 days and many more such thing (it could be a really long list). I also really hate when people (our so called priest) use the book and its teaching for their own advantage.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

But atleast some of those technologies should have survived but I am not able to understand as how all of it just disappeared.

Yes some of those have survived! The knowledge of ayurveda, vedic mathematics, astrology, techniques to build aircrafts etc. have survived. Many more might be there hidden someplace unexplored (lhasa example). Did u read about Ashoka n his society of men?
Neways I don't like to talk all that here. U may reply to all that n evidences in that thread only. We can discuss that there, so that other like minded people also take part !

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

About chistianity, I don't like the theory that the whole world was created in 6 days and many more such thing (it could be a really long list)

I dont wanna question christianity n start a communal war ! Christians shud do that if they think things aren't right!

Originally Posted by john_the_ultimate

I also really hate when people (our so called priest) use the book and its teaching for their own advantage.

That exists everywhere in every religion! I think people shud read the holy books and pieces of wisdom embedded in them themselves. They shudn't blindy follow any religious priest.