Should ganesh immersion be allowed??

[__Virus__]

Offcoz Yes!! keeping in mind every single citizen/indian has every right to celebrate the religious festivals in the best way possible. Who wudnt want to? But off late ( keep in mind am only discussing about hyd scene) we have experienced a bad output. As we all know by now that we have such a gud lake called as hussain sagar but it all stinks.. there are n number of reasons though. Ganesh (my apologies if am spelling it wrong) festival is one of high importance to hindus and they do celebrate with utmost faith and dedication. What I feel is, either the number of immersions should be brought down or pandals (if this is right term for the places were ganesha's are installed) should be limited to 1 or 2 per community/area. The whole dumps really leave a very very bad scene of the lake, if we cud use some gud high quality/low chemical materials ( I dont know what they are made of ) it wud b just a perfect way to celebrate the festival..

[vijay_7287]

if u r talking abt hussain sagar in HYD then a definitive nooo

[anandk]

along with rights, come duties...to mother nature.
shadu/mud gamesh idols are allright...they are biodegradable; pop ones r not and (immersion) shud be banned, over a period of time atleast.

its an idea whose time has come !

[indian_samosa]

i think mud statues are fine.....
but people prefer pop ones coz they are easier to fabricate.......
if you see tradition ...then mud is the way....

PS: Virus .....u typed all the words correctly yaar...no need to apologize if you spelt something wrong.....god wont punish you or me for typing his/her name wrong..

[led_shankar]

Of course not... What a waste of money all religious festivities are.

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by led_shankar

Of course not... What a waste of money all religious festivities are.

Excuse Me ! dude any such ban amounts to breach of freedom to choose and practice religious activities which is both a fundamental and a human right we live in a secular state which follows all religions and not atheist state besides any human rights breach is a shame for entire nation

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

well if the idols do not contain toxic material , or any other material that will cause harm , then it's okay otherwise a big noo .

[__Virus__]

Originally Posted by led_shankar

Of course not... What a waste of money all religious festivities are.

can u justify ur statement plz?

[mediator]

Well I think...........Ganesh immersions shud be done by holy,religious leaders only and not by everyone. If immersions are carried out on large scale it will only lead to water pollution. And also these idols shud be made of eco-friendly materials!
Also there shud be a ban on slaughter of cows practised in temples, a small amount of crackers shud be burst to fullfill happiness on Diwali........but not doing major air pollution.

Likewise I think in on the auspicious day of "ID" of Muslims...........there shud be no slaughter of goats!

I think all religions shud ban on anykind of slaughter of animals or human sacrifices. If religions preach non-violence..........then animals shud be saved from such heinous acts!

[Apollo]

Immersion is essential to the ritual. I can't imagine a Ganesh Chaturthi festival without it.

What needs to be stopped though, is the use of POP in making the idols. And the use of hazardous paints on them. Also, the ever-escalating heights of the statues that we see every year(get into Khetwadi, at this moment, and you'll see what I mean). And the mundane commercialization of the festival via the mandals - it's really sickening.

[eagle_y2j]

Originally Posted by led_shankar

Of course not... What a waste of money all religious festivities are.

ugh! another advance 21st century d00d wtf he is challenge 5000yrs+ old traditions . We are here coz only of our traditions .
No need to stop Immersions it doesn't causes more polution than tat factories do to Holy Ganges !

Originally Posted by mediator

Also there shud be a ban on slaughter of cows practised in temples

man r u in ur full senses we Hindus worship cows how can u say we slaughter them ugh!

Wat do u all say?

[led_shankar]

Originally Posted by eagle_y2j

ugh! another advance 21st century d00d wtf he is challenge 5000yrs+ old traditions . We are here coz only of our traditions .

Thanx for the compliment But I'd like to inform you that these 'old traditions' have not been challenged only by 21st century d00ds. They had been challenged strongly enough by d00ds of the ancient eras too; read about the Carvaks.

Anyway, what I meant was that on an institutionalised level, it does lead to a lot of wastage of resources, which ought to be diverted to stuff like security, poverty alleviation and civic amenities. And while it is true that many industries flourish because of these festivities, they cannot be encouraged at the cost of the environment. You might say that the problem could be resolved amicably if the idols were made of organic matter only. but a legislation to this effect would be very hard to enforce, since the industries involved are not organised, and the authorities do not have a reputation for strict enforcement in environmental issues that involve such careful scrutiny.

At the individual level, of course, religious activities are a totally private matter, and have no implications to societal resources. Unless of course, they cause direct harm to other peace loving members of society. So, when you play with the environment by immersing idols in water bodies that are not your private property, you do a great disservice to the community.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by eagle_y2j

man r u in ur full senses we Hindus worship cows how can u say we slaughter them ugh!

I know that!.......But the Nepalese authorities went away because they were asked to slaughter cow in some temples. I didnt mean that we Hindus slaughter cows on festivals or daily. But only meant was slaughter of animals shud also be banned !

[__Virus__]

Originally Posted by mediator

Well I think...........Ganesh immersions shud be done by holy,religious leaders only and not by everyone.

Cant agree better.

Originally Posted by mediator

Likewise I think in on the auspicious day of "ID" of Muslims...........there shud be no slaughter of goats!

Originally Posted by mediator

I think all religions shud ban on anykind of slaughter of animals or human sacrifices. If religions preach non-violence..........then animals shud be saved from such heinous acts!

Well a gud question, a very gud one. Lets talk religion later. Apart from religious matter, cows/goats are regulary slaughtered on daily basis and that too in thousands.. yes thousands. If the slaughtering is to be stopped, I think we shall start it right here.

Coming another explanation:

On Eid we do slaughter, it has something to do with what is mentioned in the holy book, I know it sounds shaky but since we are not having a hardcore debate on religious matters, I think this simple defination will justify. And apart from the Bakrid *the Eid what we name as* we (not atleast my family and most of US) dont really slaughter these animals.

Originally Posted by eagle_y2j

man r u in ur full senses we Hindus worship cows how can u say we slaughter them ugh!

I dont really think he meant that.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by __Virus__

I dont really think he meant that.

Thanx for the backing bro!

Originally Posted by __Virus__

If the slaughtering is to be stopped, I think we shall start it right here.

Totally agreed!

[__Virus__]

Originally Posted by mediator

Thanx for the backing bro!


Totally agreed!

anytime my best buddy

[TechGuru#1]

Festival time..the ONLY time,i can look forward 2 my Life & get my batteries re-charged!!!
Expect & Long for that throughout the year!!!! Gets highly addictive & Nostalgic!
Can't live without festivals & 2 be precise the festive spirit!
After a Year Long wait......its like a Drop of Rain in the scorched SAHARA desert!
Man,whatever u complain.dont the least complain abt Festivals.....it is what makes, many of ours life, going!!!

[mediator]

Originally Posted by TechGuru#1

Festival time..the ONLY time,i can look forward 2 my Life & get my batteries re-charged!!!
Expect & Long for that throughout the year!!!! Gets highly addictive & Nostalgic!
Can't live without festivals & 2 be precise the festive spirit!
After a Year Long wait......its like a Drop of Rain in the scorched SAHARA desert!
Man,whatever u complain.dont the least complain abt Festivals.....it is what makes, many of ours life, going!!!

Totally agreed + we get holidays tooooooo! But the happiness wud increase exponentially if we are able to Njoy the festivals properly without any killings or environmental degradation!

[__Virus__]

Originally Posted by mediator

Totally agreed + we get holidays tooooooo! But the happiness wud increase exponentially if we are able to Njoy the festivals properly without any killings or environmental degradation!

I second that. No one is killing the festives techG. We had been and we will b celebrating it in full swings but must make sure that our days or celebrations are not hazards for coming years to the environment.

[led_shankar]

man, here i type a long reply, and no one even reads it.

[mediator]

Originally Posted by led_shankar

man, here i type a long reply, and no one even reads it.

I read it...I back it!

[abhishekkulkarni]

Absolutely not !!! It should be banned by law .

[mediator]

Originally Posted by abhishekkulkarni

Absolutely not !!! It should be banned by law .

Here we go! We have a member who staunchly supports the ban. Fight Club begins now!
But saar after reading all previous posts wud u mind telling us atleast why it shud be banned?
I suggest u to quote all the points in previous posts of "ganesh immersion supporting" members and tell us why they r wrong! Please do so!

And one more thing its a religious matter! Why it shud be banned by LAW?? How come LAW thing comes in between?

[led_shankar]

@mediayor: well, you could say i jumpstarted it somewhat, no?

[mediator]

@led_shankar............Nah dood! A fightclub is started only when someone strongly opposes the suggested topic ! Till now we had members who opposed with vague reasons. But no one strongly said and that too in one line that "it shud be banned and thats it....keh diya bas keh diya!"....Huh!
But now we have a member who says so! But didnt give any argument for it at all !!

Lets hope this guy gives some strong arguments......keeping in mind all the previous posts and lets see how much he can entertain me!!!

[arunks]

it shuld be banned by people itself

[mediator]

Originally Posted by desmataks

it shuld be banned by people itself

U telling hinduism shud be banned? Seems ur anti-hindu! So what religion u from? ANd what country? Are u a politician?

[led_shankar]

um, I think he meant the immersion should be banned, not the religion. And besides, he does not need to have a religion to be anti-Hindu, does he?

[kumarmohit]

Cut it ppl See I told you earlier religion is not to be interefered by law in our ctry Its not constitutional so instead of banning immersion a regulation must be done on what the statues are made of; besides with POP a lot of earthenware workers have lost work. Stone and earth statues will allow them to get some business too.

[Yamaraj]

Immersion should be banned with immediate effect. Religion is not as important
as the existance and health of the people and rivers.
IMHO, religions and beliefs are private issues and people should keep them upto
themselves. They should never be allowed to interfere with laws or public health.

In fact, I think that an ideal Government shouldn't even recognize any religion
officially. And while we're at it, factories with no wastage management should
also be banned. Animal sacrifices should be banned too, ragardless of religions
or their supporters. Being a vegetarian, I also call for some sympathy towards
innocent animals and little birds. Spare the living being please, there'e enough
food now.