Why Torrent & crack is illegal in Thinkdigit Forum?

[kool]

Guys,
I've to ask u a very common question, that asking anything related to torrent download, crack, hack, piracy are not allowed in this forum. Its OK, fine. I'm not asking that.

But if its illegal, then why Torrent sites, Mediafire links, Songs.PK, Cracking sites, Porn sites, Desi MMS sites are not banned??? Why still its popularity are increasing day by day? In my engineering life in hostel most guys were busy in downloading movies, games, porn, songs from these sites. Even Broadband company has started giving ultra high speed at low cost. In "Airtel" ads it shows that downloading 700mb in just 30 min and blah blah..

Many of us talks only No to piracy!! But most of us still use pirated copy of Windows. My question is not asking about these sites in this forum, but why Government, Film Directors, Game/Software makers do not take any action for these piracy or torrent sites?
In Nehru Place (Delhi) you can get solutions for your all software, games, movies at just Rs.50, why Police don't do anything at these places?? Even many sick guys post/publish their GF's MMS on desi sites. Are these legal to upload and then download and view 1000 times by 1000 guys??

Guys, What u say........????????????

[Rohan_B]

torrents for games are not stoppable as
--> As for the Airtel ad there are many movies available for download legally or a person might have bought online.
--> There isn't any law against what a person may download.
--> Many companies have tried to sue torrent users with no success.(just humiliation)

P.S.= Stats
if a person buys all the regular software he needs he will spend around 1000$ on it and a tech freak will spend 5500$. (Piracy Can never Die, no matter how hard someone tries)

[The Sorcerer]

Originally Posted by kool

But if its illegal, then why Torrent sites, Mediafire links, Songs.PK, cracking sites, porn sites, desi MMS sites are not banned???

Torrents are not illegal. Distributing material that are not supposed to be duplicated, cracked and distributed via torrent is illegal. Same goes for Media fire. The rest are banned. Savvy??

Originally Posted by kool

Even Broadband company has started giving ultra high speed at low cost. In Airtel ads it shows that downloading 700mb in just 30 min and blah blah..

Point of getting this point out? There are way more than 1 reason to get high speed internet and almost all of them are used by many people even in their daily part of their lives. Airtel has such mindset (that explains the so-called fair usage policy in their unlimited plans) and hence it backfired. ISPs are connection providers, not piracy watchdogs. Savvy?

[Faun]

Originally Posted by kool

. Even Broadband company has started giving ultra high speed at low cost.

Wat ? Am I the only one with ultra low speed of 512kbps ?

[Ishu Gupta]

Originally Posted by Faun

Wat ? Am I the only one with ultra low speed of 512kbps ?

I'm using EDGE

OP needs to find out the speeds in US, Japan etc

[JojoTheDragon]

Hmm,these things rush through my mind often. There is no cure for piracy.
India is ...well..a developing country. India has many other important(more or less or none)
matters at this moment and is too busy to look at small things such as digital theft.

Look here, as we all know, most parts of India are filled with people suffering from poverty, illiteracy, unemployment. They have the right to live as much as any of us does, no matter how they do it. if you siege a piracy shop at the nehru place, who knows, maybe that "pirate" has a family to look after. Now do you want them to starve because of that. I understand that he should do some honest things to earn a living, but looking at India's present status, its a complicated matter. So things are better left the way it is more or less if you don't have the heart enough to change it. The Father of our Nation once said that "we must be the change we wish to see in this world"

In the mean time we should do our bits by buying the softwares we need.

[Liverpool_fan]

Originally Posted by jojothedragon

Look here, as we all know, most parts of India are filled with people suffering from poverty, illiteracy, unemployment. They have the right to live as much as any of us does, no matter how they do it. if you siege a piracy shop at the nehru place, who knows, maybe that "pirate" has a family to look after. Now do you want them to starve because of that.

Er, even a robber has a family to look for, now do you want a robber to starve because of that?

As for the original post, meh, there are far more important things to do for the government than trying to track "pirated software" which in the end serves only as extra money to the corporates which most do not give a damn about.
As for some random people downloading porn, they are well within their rights to do so. They have paid for the bandwidth remember.
Also there are legimate uses of the bandwidth, like downloading updates, trying new Linux distros, Steam, Youtube, Legal Creative Commons Music and Movies, etc., so please don't repeat the points of moronic companies like Airtel.

[asingh]

The biggest flaw of the net is its biggest beauty.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by jojothedragon

Look here, as we all know, most parts of India are filled with people suffering from poverty, illiteracy, unemployment. They have the right to live as much as any of us does, no matter how they do it. if you siege a piracy shop at the nehru place, who knows, maybe that "pirate" has a family to look after. Now do you want them to starve because of that. I understand that he should do some honest things to earn a living, but looking at India's present status, its a complicated matter. So things are better left the way it is more or less if you don't have the heart enough to change it. The Father of our Nation once said that "we must be the change we wish to see in this world"

In the mean time we should do our bits by buying the softwares we need.

hmm. so, if a robber visits your house and flushes everything, will you feel that he has a family to feed and that he can suck everything from you and say 'happy to help'?

[Sam]

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@kool, i not know about torrents but nowadays many file sharing sites don't allow cracks & keygens to be uploaded. but its also not possible to check each & every file if its illegal. many may upload their pics of videos there as backup or just for share. some may upload a a Windows7 ISO by the name of WDO7.rar. now its impossible to say if this file is Windows 7 or just someone's marriage video in the compressed form.

heres 1 example: Avast 5 Professional keygen banned by 4shared (cause it contains the word keygen).

[JojoTheDragon]

Originally Posted by desiibond

hmm. so, if a robber visits your house and flushes everything, will you feel that he has a family to feed and that he can suck everything from you and say 'happy to help'?

We are talking about piracy here, so please show your smart-guy attitude to somewhere else..

I didn't actually say that go buy software and pirated sh1t from Nehru Place, i merely said that leave these things as they are. If you are good moralled, you won't buy from them now would you?
And a robber is a different matter, its a matter of personal security.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by jojothedragon

We are talking about piracy here, so please show your smart-guy attitude to somewhere else..

I didn't actually say that go buy software and pirated sh1t from Nehru Place, i merely said that leave these things as they are. If you are good moralled, you won't buy from them now would you?
And a robber is a different matter, its a matter of personal security.

yes. I am smart enough to know that piracy is as big headache to develoeprs as house robbery is. Both result in loss of money. I am just responding to you showing piracy career to feed a family. I don't care if one gets pirated s/w etc but supporting it as some kind of valid thing is what I don't like.

[Vyom]

OK.. here goes IMHO.
Everybody knows, Microsoft is the biggest company in OS industry.
Now, the ones who can buy, WILL buy genuine windows. Think, about the ones, who don't have that much of a capital, to invest. And so, since they don't have enough money, they would never be able to buy such proprietary OS. So, they use a pirated one.

My point: I don't think the ones who could never have afforded a software, would make any impact by NOT using them. So they choose piracy.

PS: Please, don't bombard me the question, like, "So if I can't afford an iphone, so should you steal it?", cause I am only talking about softwares here, something that can be replicated easily.

[gagan007]

yeah that's very natural point that you have made vineet369. The very same point is raised by non anti-piracy folks. Please do not get me wrong here, I am not saying that you or anyone else in the forum supports piracy. But yeah it is the most common point that I have heard of and I very strong feeling that due to the same reason only Microsoft, Adobe and other big companies are not too aggressive in implementing anti-piracy measures.

[Vyom]

Yeah, I too think, that its the only reason. Or else, a company as big as Microsoft, do have a potential to sue Everybody!
I have full empathy for those companies.

[ico]

Originally Posted by vineet369

OK.. here goes IMHO.
Everybody knows, Microsoft is the biggest company in OS industry.
Now, the ones who can buy, WILL buy genuine windows. Think, about the ones, who don't have that much of a capital, to invest. And so, since they don't have enough money, they would never be able to buy such proprietary OS. So, they use a pirated one.

My point: I don't think the ones who could never have afforded a software, would make any impact by NOT using them. So they choose piracy.

A simple thing I'd like to say.

If you can't afford Windows, then don't pirate it and contribute to the monopoly. This has huge implications. Microsoft is happy if they're seeing Windows running on 90+ percent of the computers world wide. The more popular it is, the more people will buy it.

[gagan007]

Not suing, I meant through programming...

I smelled sarcasm there so I cleared my point (I am sorry if I am wrong). It is not just about a small program but the whole OS. I do not think a simple 25-character key or an online activation could be the last line of authentication. There are many programs on the internet, cracks for which are not found because there are none. As a programmer, I know there are endless possibilities. If crackers know how to crack a program, the programmer, in turn, very well know how to patch it. Both sides have their share of brains but IMVHO Microsoft still has upper hand.

[ico]

Originally Posted by desiibond

yes. I am smart enough to know that piracy is as big headache to develoeprs as house robbery is. Both result in loss of money. I am just responding to you showing piracy career to feed a family. I don't care if one gets pirated s/w etc but supporting it as some kind of valid thing is what I don't like.

Exactly. You want to pirate games? Okay do it - your own wish, although you shouldn't.

But IF you are pirating Indie games and softwares by independent developers, you are among the biggest a$$holes ever born.

[Vyom]

Originally Posted by ico

If you can't afford Windows, then don't pirate it and contribute to the monopoly. This has huge implications. Microsoft is happy if they're seeing Windows running on 90+ percent of the computers world wide. The more popular it is, the more people will buy it.

With due respect, you must understand that piracy only comes, when the product is popular. People wont use a pirate stuff that they don't like.
I think it works backwards. Since windows is a popular OS (cause of its user friendliness), people are willing to use the pirated copies.

I am sensing, that you admire open source (aka Linux) more. So I would also like to say that yes, best things in the world are free, but people don't want best things anymore. They want the things, using which creates less headache then the other.

[ico]

Originally Posted by vineet369

With due respect, you must understand that piracy only comes, when the product is popular. People wont use a pirate stuff that they don't like.
I think it works backwards. Since windows is a popular OS (cause of its user friendliness), people are willing to use the pirated copies.

With due respect, use Windows if you can afford it.

Don't pirate it and contribute to the monoply.

Originally Posted by vineet369

I am sensing, that you admire open source (aka Linux) more. So I would also like to say that yes, best things in the world are free, but people don't want best things anymore. They want the things, using which creates less headache then the other.

I use all the three Operating Systems equally - Ubuntu Linux, Mac OS X and Windows.

None of them create any sort of headache. They are just "different" than each other.

And honestly, have you given Ubuntu a fair try?

[JojoTheDragon]

I use all the three Operating Systems equally - Ubuntu Linux, Mac OS X and Windows.

None of them create any sort of headache. They are just "different" than each other.

And honestly, have you given Ubuntu a fair try?

Thanks to your suggestion, i'm using Ubuntu currently. Surprisingly digit forum looks better in ubuntu. :O
And so do the desktop effects compared to Win7.

[Vyom]

I think you have misunderstood me. I was voicing the belief of common people, who most probably wont even care to know, if they have got their shiny new computer with a genuine or pirated OS.
Personally, I know the disadvantages of using a pirated OS and s/w's, and also its implications on the economy. And would never encourage piracy. Its just that, its useless to advice a few friends of mine the advantages of a genuine OS, when I know they cannot afford it because of their financial status.

And yes, I have tried Linux, maybe not Ubuntu. But it simply cannot beat the friendliness of Windows, (at-least not any time sooner).

I would lie if I say I use genuine OS. But believe me I would love to switch to genuineness myself. Its just that I have been using windows for about a decade, and its like half of me now. But I do admire Linux myself, and am aware of its potential. So now doubt there.

[ico]

Originally Posted by vineet369

I think you have misunderstood me. I was voicing the belief of common people, who most probably wont even care to know, if they have got their shiny new computer with a genuine or pirated OS.
Personally, I know the disadvantages of using a pirated OS and s/w's, and also its implications on the economy. And would never encourage piracy. Its just that, its useless to advice a few friends of mine the advantages of a genuine OS, when I know they cannot afford it because of their financial status.

--

I would lie if I say I use genuine OS. But believe me I would love to switch to genuineness myself. Its just that I have been using windows for about a decade, and its like half of me now. But I do admire Linux myself, and am aware of its potential. So now doubt there.

You do have a correct point. It makes no difference for a common man. Jo sabh use kar rahe hai, wohi tum kar lo. Most people actually think they're buying genuine Windows for Rs. 150.

Originally Posted by vineet369

And yes, I have tried Linux, maybe not Ubuntu. But it simply cannot beat the friendliness of Windows, (at-least not any time sooner).

You have used Windows for a decade and Linux for????

Ubuntu 10.10 already beats the user-friendliness of Windows. If not "familiarity" for you. There is a big difference.

[furious_gamer]

Originally Posted by ico

You have used Windows for a decade and Linux for????

Ubuntu 10.10 already beats the user-friendliness of Windows. If not "familiarity." There is a big difference.

I used Ubuntu 10.4 LTS for quite some time and TBF it's the best OS IMO. But the thing is, how can i play GTA 4 in ubuntu? I am not rich enuff to buy a PS3/X360 so need to stick with PC, so no other option left other than Windows.

But otherwise gaming and movie watching, i use Ubuntu for my development purposes. It's too good for development, especially installing dependency is very easy.

[ico]

Originally Posted by furious_gamer

I used Ubuntu 10.4 LTS for quite some time and TBF it's the best OS IMO. But the thing is, how can i play GTA 4 in ubuntu? I am not rich enuff to buy a PS3/X360 so need to stick with PC, so no other option left other than Windows.

But otherwise gaming and movie watching, i use Ubuntu for my development purposes. It's too good for development, especially installing dependency is very easy.

You can't play it in Ubuntu. It is a game made for Windows, so expect it to only run in Windows. Similar to playing Halo 3 in a PS3.

Wine is there, but I don't actually bother about non-native games and softwares in Ubuntu. Windows is for gaming.

[furious_gamer]

Originally Posted by ico

You can't play it in Ubuntu. It is a game made for Windows, so expect it to only run in Windows. Similar to playing Halo 3 in a PS3.

Wine is there, but I don't actually bother about non-native games and softwares in Ubuntu. Windows is for gaming.

It's a pain in the neck.

Atleast i bought few original games for my own satisfaction...

[ico]

Originally Posted by furious_gamer

It's a pain in the neck.

The fact that one expects a Windows software to run in Linux is foolish.

[furious_gamer]

Originally Posted by ico

The fact that one expects a Windows software to run in Linux is foolish.

That is why i use Windows for games.....

BTW In my old office, all the developers were advised to use ubuntu whether they like it or not. From there i really started using ubuntu @ home too for development convenience and gradually i moved to ubuntu (even typing sudo apt-get xxx in cmd prompt ), but when it comes to gaming, that where everyone fall.

BTW enuff said. I use pirated s/w until someone find a way to run games in ubuntu. period.

[gagan007]

I would say that makes you very honest person furious_gamer to accept that.
Had I not been an MSDN subscriber (thanks to my employer), I would still be using pirated Windows.
I did try Red Hat a long time ago, I think back in 2005 but it failed to impress me. After that I never gave Linux another try but I always look Linux in high regard and will definitely try Ubuntu in near future even though I am a .NET programmer...

[Vyom]

Originally Posted by ico

You have used Windows for a decade and Linux for????

Ubuntu 10.10 already beats the user-friendliness of Windows. If not "familiarity" for you. There is a big difference.

Hehe... I accept that I didnt gave linux much time. But thats all about to change. I will definitely try it in a near future. Digit have given me enough distros to experiment and find my best one. Although I know I could very well drop at ubuntu only