Android vs symbian vs Maemo vs winpho 7 vs iOS. Let's fight

[desiibond]

We TDF folks started a new fight on twitter. Let's continue here.

Note: Please please please. no personal attacks and don't make the mods lock the thread.

[kalpik]

Android FTW!

[desiibond]

Let me start. I literally want to hold Ballmer's throat for giving such a clumsy featureset with a moder OS. In gsmarena's words:

No system-wide file manager
No videocalling
Limited third-party apps availability
No Bluetooth file transfers
No USB mass storage mode
No multitasking
No copy/paste
Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing
No music player equalisers
No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser
No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far
No DivX/XviD video support
No internet tethering support
New ringtones available only through the Marketplace
Swapping memory card requires hard reset; cards not readable by computer


source: Windows Phone 7 OS review: From scratch - GSMArena.com

[iMav]

Windows Phone 7 FTW! Android can be at the mercy of the OEMs and the carriers, Nokia can keep fondling and flirting with crappier implementations. Oh and bada or ba "daa" as they pronounce it is a waste of bandwidth.

[SunnyChahal]

Waste of bandwidth? What are you implying?

[desiibond]

Those who are blaming SGS's battery life, the new firmware of SGS does improve battery life a lot. My friend confirmed the same for me. His SGS is giving much better battery life

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by iMav

Windows Phone 7 FTW! Android can be at the mercy of the OEMs and the carriers, Nokia can keep fondling and flirting with crappier implementations. Oh and bada or ba "daa" as they pronounce it is a waste of bandwidth.

I for one will only comment on WinPhone7 once its really out.. But I still maintain.. I think Symbian (for datedness) and iOS (for restrictiveness) are the worst in this list..

[iMav]

Yea, you know all of that was there in WinMo and lemme see, everyone made fun of it.

Zune, file management are utterly lame arguments. Bing maps navigation... I don't know why they've left that for the carreirs. In Gruber's words, the memory card implementation is smart. Music equalizers, wait a minute, HAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHA! On chindi phone speakers what orchestra do you plan to play? Tethering support is there, enabling it violates carrier ToS for now. Blutooth transfer -- sucks, I agree.

Originally Posted by kalpik

I for one will only comment on WinPhone7 once its really out.. But I still maintain.. I think Symbian (for datedness) and iOS (for restrictiveness) are the worst in this list..

it's really out, I bought the phone. Has it's shortcomings, I shall write about them when this shitt American education system gives me time but it's amazing nonetheless.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by iMav

Windows Phone 7 FTW! Android can be at the mercy of the OEMs and the carriers, Nokia can keep fondling and flirting with crappier implementations. Oh and bada or ba "daa" as they pronounce it is a waste of bandwidth.

Actually, it's winpho7 that is at the mercy of MS. It's like 'kneel before Ballmer'. Except for the the tiles, there is not hing good in this OS. No multitasking on the OS that is allowed only to run on uber high end hardware is 'biggest joke of the century'.

Those who knelt before Google are getting much better business now. Look at how Samsung and HTC are growing in mobile phone business.

WHich other OS has gained 690% growth YoY

[iMav]

yea the good thing in Andorid, animated wallpapers! OMG THEY ARE SO AWESOME! I LOUV ANIMATED WALLPAPERS!

Kneel before Ballmer, that's the best you could come up with? Really? <-- see what I did there?

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by kalpik

I for one will only comment on WinPhone7 once its really out.. But I still maintain.. I think Symbian (for datedness) and iOS (for restrictiveness) are the worst in this list..

correction here.

I think Symbian (for datedness) and iOS (for datedness and restrictiveness and featurelessness and staleness) are the worst in this list

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by desiibond

WHich other OS has gained 690% growth YoY

Quoted for WIN!

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by iMav

yea the good thing in Andorid, animated wallpapers! OMG THEY ARE SO AWESOME! I LOUV ANIMATED WALLPAPERS!

Kneel before Ballmer, that's the best you could come up with? Really? <-- see what I did there?

yeah. someone need to remind MS that they have to use 2010 and 2011 calendars and not 2007. coz, iOS has got few more features after that and they are trying to fight first generation of iOS

[iMav]

oh now they are bringing in the numbers. Now, to quote all the freetards from the Lin vs Win discussions -- sales numbers mean nothing. more sales doesn't mean it is bette That's what you guys used to say!

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by iMav

yea the good thing in Andorid, animated wallpapers! OMG THEY ARE SO AWESOME! I LOUV ANIMATED WALLPAPERS!

Kneel before Ballmer, that's the best you could come up with? Really? <-- see what I did there?

Ok, let me list a very nice feature of Android which is missing in all other (?) OSs.. The notification system!

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by iMav

oh now they are bringing in the numbers. Now, to quote all the freetards from the Lin vs Win discussions -- sales numbers mean nothing. more sales doesn't mean it is bette That's what you guys used to say!

hmm. in that case, Maemo is the greatest OS. less sales, but one heck of an OS it is. And coming back to winpho 7, it has got neither sales nor great features set. Where should I put it ?

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by iMav

oh now they are bringing in the numbers. Now, to quote all the freetards from the Lin vs Win discussions -- sales numbers mean nothing. more sales doesn't mean it is bette That's what you guys used to say!

Hmm.. Numbers is not the same thing as growth

[iMav]

Originally Posted by desiibond

yeah. someone need to remind MS that they have to use 2010 and 2011 calendars and not 2007. coz, iOS has got few more features after that and they are trying to fight first generation of iOS

meh. dude. not interesting to refute. Since I've been using the device, multitasking isn't something I've missed, simple reason, Pandora isn't out yet. Other than that, move out and start a app works like a charm.

Copy/paste they've said it's coming in the next software update and their jumpers implementation works fine till then. It's not like iOS v1.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by kalpik

Ok, let me list a very nice feature of Android which is missing in all other (?) OSs.. The notification system!

felt that the notification system of Maemo is much better than that of Android. And true multitasking FTW

[vamsi_krishna]

Ballmer is a Noob. he is a jacked up man who will be on steroids 24/7

[iMav]

Originally Posted by kalpik

Hmm.. Numbers is not the same thing as growth

yes it is, what you just gave were growth numbers. Numbers.

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by desiibond

felt that the notification system of Maemo is much better than that of Android. And true multitasking FTW

Ah.. Have got to try out Maemo

BTW, where is GX, the Symbian warrior?

Haha.. I just noticed.. No one even mentioned Blackberry

[vamsi_krishna]

Good android,iOS devices comes at a cost. Where as, Symbian is cheap and more reachable.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by iMav

meh. dude. not interesting to refute. Since I've been using the device, multitasking isn't something I've missed, simple reason, Pandora isn't out yet. Other than that, move out and start a app works like a charm.

Copy/paste they've said it's coming in the next software update and their jumpers implementation works fine till then. It's not like iOS v1.

that is because you haven't used proper multitasking YET. Look at the multitasking on Maemo. Do hold on to something. YOu might even faint after seeing how good it is. Even Symbian's got very good multitasking. and please don't go to next s/w updates. The next thing to Maemo is Meego and you really should see a demo of this stunning OS. Even for Android, 2.3 though is minor release, 3.0 is going to be major, really major and whatever gap winpho7 closes will be reopened by Android 3.0.

In short, it is just like iOS v1.0 but with a better home screen. Of i would say, it's like 'old buttermilk in new packet'.

Originally Posted by kalpik

Ah.. Have got to try out Maemo

BTW, where is GX, the Symbian warrior?

Haha.. I just noticed.. No one even mentioned Blackberry

no. I only eat blueberry. never heard of Blackberry.

oh wait, is it the OS that those clueless guys wearing suites use?

[iMav]

touch Maemo, eewwww! GROSS! Why would I do that...!

[desiibond]

We also need dreamcathertdf and sunnychahal for some powerful wording against non-android devices

[gxsaurav]

Oh! its good to be back.

War continues, just that the battlefield has changed

Please write your replies in the context of Indian market only, as we are using the device in India after all.

Let me start. I literally want to hold Ballmer's throat for giving such a clumsy featureset with a moder OS. In gsmarena's words:

No system-wide file manager
No videocalling
Limited third-party apps availability
No Bluetooth file transfers
No USB mass storage mode
No multitasking
No copy/paste
Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing
No music player equalisers
No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser
No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far
No DivX/XviD video support
No internet tethering support
New ringtones available only through the Marketplace
Swapping memory card requires hard reset; cards not readable by computer

I agree with you on this. However, iPhone also had & has the same restriction & after 4 years of launch it is a very successful platform today due to apps. This proves that users in USA market do not care about all these features if they have a good eco-system of services.

Users in India are different though. We want to use our phone the way we like, without career or OEM restriction.

Multitasking is a gimmik on mobile phone OS. We have been doing multitasking on a phone in the same way we do on a computer but we forget that a phone is not a computer. Phone doesn't have a big screen, or a keyboard or a mouse. Instead of running multiple apps side by side, we need a way to aggregate the data at once place. In my opinion, only the approach taken by WinMo 7 is the best here. Symbian, Android, iPhone all fail in this respect of showing my content all at once to me at my fingertip instead of opening & looking at multiple apps.

Copy & Paste is coming to WinMo 7 soon by Feb 2011.

Dependancy on Zune software is a good as well as a bad thing. It is a central hub for everything, though I myself would prefer to use device stage in Win7 then zune. For example, Zune isn't made for managing contacts, but Windows' own Contacts or Windows Live Mail 2011 are made so why not use that instead.

Windows Phone 7 FTW! Android can be at the mercy of the OEMs and the carriers, Nokia can keep fondling and flirting with crappier implementations. Oh and bada or ba "daa" as they pronounce it is a waste of bandwidth.

Android is getting fragmented cos they are going the same way as WinMo 6.5 went at the mercy of updates from OEM for the OS. They would rather you buy a new phone then upgrade your phone's OS.

iOS' approach is best here. Updates straight from Apple, though it is a restricted platform but there update method is something I like.

Nokia wasn't paying attention to software & hardware but now they are. The very fact that the hardware platform used in N8 is also the same in C6-01, C7 & E7 means that now they want unification.

Nothing is wrong with Symbian OS except for there UI which they have improved a lot with Symbian^3. Now when they have merged Symbian^4 with Symbian^3 & all the UI & app changes are coming to S^3 also, the shelf life of current s^3 phones has increased a lot. Qt FTW.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by iMav

touch Maemo, eewwww! GROSS! Why would I do that...!

haha. That's the mud on your fingers accumulated on long use of stale OSes. wash your hands and touch the epicness

[iMav]

While we're at the topic of finding out shortcomings, lets see... the biggest online gaming platform in your hands with games that can be played across screens. Yeah, Xbox LIVE.

Oh and Zune Pass, you know the music service, the only one that competes with iTunes and yes, in the US people actually use it because of what it offers (anytime streaming and 10 songs/month download). Infact, an Apple store employee told me that he finds Zune to be better!

So while you focus on the shortcomings that can be fixed in subsequent updates, look at the core. From what I'm being told, this is a very stable kernel.

[SunnyChahal]

Originally Posted by iMav

Zune, file management are utterly lame arguments.

And why so, sir? Why should one have to completely rely on a piece of software to do even the pettiest of things? That is something I really hate about the iOS too. Both Apple and Microsoft made great mobile operating systems, I have to give it to them but they restrict the users to unacceptable extents. Windows Phone 7 is even more restricted than the iOS. That thought alone gives me creeps.

Originally Posted by iMav

yea the good thing in Andorid, animated wallpapers! OMG THEY ARE SO AWESOME! I LOUV ANIMATED WALLPAPERS!

True multitasking, video calling, Bluetooth file transfer, tethering, completely free of crapware (I'm talking about iTunes and Zune) and the most kick-ass feature, 'The Android Notification System'. Some of those are a real kick in the throat for Windows Phone 7.

Originally Posted by iMav

oh now they are bringing in the numbers. Now, to quote all the freetards from the Lin vs Win discussions -- sales numbers mean nothing. more sales doesn't mean it is bette That's what you guys used to say!

Why shouldn't they? Microsoft have always bragged about the Windows market share in the operating systems market. Bringing Windows Phone 7 numbers into discussions wouldn't be unfair.

Originally Posted by kalpik

Ok, let me list a very nice feature of Android which is missing in all other (?) OSs.. The notification system!

The best notification system on any mobile operating system. 'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by iMav

meh. dude. not interesting to refute. Since I've been using the device, multitasking isn't something I've missed, simple reason, Pandora isn't out yet. Other than that, move out and start a app works like a charm.

Copy/paste they've said it's coming in the next software update and their jumpers implementation works fine till then. It's not like iOS v1.

What about games, IM applications and all? How do they work without multitasking, eh?