Reservation System - Should it exist?

[The Conqueror]

Should the Reservation System exist in India???

In my Opinion,NO ,I Agree to the fact that some communities might not have got certain facilities in the past like SC/ST etc..but past is past..All are humans,Today everyone has equal rights then why the discrimination on reserving seats? Atleast it shouldnt be in education..

A Person with lower marks can easily get admission and get a good job ,but a hard working good citizen wont get easily admission becoz of this stupid reservation system.
At present there is no need to make reservation.Already the communities get books n all for free or discount so they have access to education but why make it tough for hard working students?

[Liverpool_fan]

No it shouldn't. There should only be economic help and facilities to deprived section i.e. economically weaker sections rather than SC/STs..

[Sridhar_Rao]

Reservation has no place in modern society, it creates social division than equality. It is more prone to misuse and its misuse creates more disparity and unrest among other sections. As pointed earlier, only economically weaker individuals (not sections of community) should get reservation.

Reservation in primary and higher education (if at all given) is bearable but reservation in postgraduate courses and promotions in employment is terrible. Worthless people get promoted due to their origins. Rich people get reservations due to their origins, IS THIS FAIR?

Reservation is here to stay, as long as democracy is the form of governance in India, reservation will continue. The policy is not for "social upliftment of weaker sections" but for "political upliftment of political parties". Fullstop!!

[Faun]

No it shouldn't. There should only be economic help and facilities to deprived section i.e. economically weaker sections rather than SC/STs..

This.

[planetcall]

Reservation based on religion is irrelevant in our modern society. Equality has to be brought by equal opportunity. There should not be any special treatment for any class based on religion. Lets say NO to reservation and condemn people who politicize this issue.

[tejass]

all the pro reservation activist shoud icked on their **** and thrown out of India.
these guys r dividing India on the basis of caste ,religion bl***y hell

[rhitwick]

Sh1t, I wanted to vote for yes but clicked on No.

Watever, in my opinion reservation system should stay till school that too 10+2.

What Ambedkar tried to do is to facilitate everyone with same rights. At least for schooling we need this. After this period, entry should be based on merit.

Then again, there are meritorious students who can't afford higher studies only for financial reasons.
What is ur solution for that.

Now-a-days education is a very good business. If u have money, the door is open for u, else....dream on.

[amitash]

Reservation should NOT exist...just a pollitical propaganda

[MetalheadGautham]

reservation sucks. period. merit FTW!

[utsav]

Which fool voted for yes?

[rhitwick]

Govt should give relaxation to them in fees according to family income but not reservation.

What u r talking is also a kind of reservation. Isn't it?

[gopi_vbboy]

F* Caste based Reservation.....India wont come up with this crap...

It shud be based on Poverty , Social Backwardness n Limited...NOT on SH*** Casteism n Religion...

I hate the period during my engg counselling....lossing seats i deserved for my merit...

.Ambedhkar may good contrib like constitution n also this blunder which was taken advantage by f* politicians like arjun singh a$$ho13....hate all of them

i believe one day a revolt will come out to flush out this crap....

[rhitwick]

No, there won't be a revolt.

Cast based reservation was only developed for the poor.
And favoring the poor is human nature.

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[Faun]

^^lolwut ?

[karnivore]

Which fool voted for yes?

I stay away from this kind of pissing contest, but seeing your post, I decided that I should vote as well.

I voted for YES.

[karnivore]

It shud be based on Poverty , Social Backwardness n Limited...NOT on SH*** Casteism n Religion...

If Casteism is not "Social Backwardness", then what is it ?

Reservation based on poverty will only help in eradicating poverty. How do you propose to bring these men, who are discriminated only because they were born into certain family, into the mainstream.

[karnivore]

all the pro reservation activist shoud icked on their **** and thrown out of India.
these guys r dividing India on the basis of caste ,religion bl***y hell

And all anti-reservation activists should be first stripped off their social status, then made to work and toil like these backward classes were made to, for at least about 2000 yrs.

Pro-reservation activists are only trying the correct the wrongs perpetrated in the name of fukcing religion.

[Faun]

Pro-reservation activists are only trying the correct the wrongs perpetrated in the name of fukcing religion.

Good thing is that a person who is not necessarily backward by status but only by name is getting better seat in college compared to the one who got a better rank.

This thing is good for getting vote.

[sibot]

I would like to start off by saying I donot have a Minority status and I am NOT covered under the reservation act but still I voted Yes.

I feel reservation is needed for the less-privileged BUT reservations in the education system should be only upto High School. The standards of good quality education till high school would ensure they are equally educated and knowledgeable as any other student, rest its a fight for the best. Once they have attained that standard of education, they are equipped for the battles to be fought that follow, i.e. entrance exams, job interviews, there is no reason why a person should be given boost in the job market even though he is clearly underqualified in comparison to his/her fellow applicants.

So, the reservation system should ONLY apply till the school level, that too under strict guidelines of performance. When they are receiving quality education, there is no reason they should perform under-average.

[karnivore]

Good thing is that a person who is not necessarily backward by status but only by name is getting better seat in college compared to the one who got a better rank.

This thing is good for getting vote.

Yes, i understand that abuse of the system exists. But it is still a small price to pay. Just because, loopholes in tax systems are abused to evade tax, it doesn't mean that the entire taxation law should be abolished.

We can only work to plug the loopholes.

[rhitwick]

The problem is much bigger than we can imagine.

Reservation upto High School won't improve the system.
I say, make study till High School (12th) mandatory and free of cost.
This way everyone (backword class or watever) will get a same chance of testing their merit.

Also, make entrance exams Free of Cost.
You know there are still a lot of people who just can't get a higher degree because of high cost of entrance exam. Even now, if someone dreams for MBA, he has to pay for every fcuking exam and form for every business school.
Many of us just can't afford to take the risk of picking as much as 20 forms to enhance our entry (this is independent of reservation).

Only solution I find, which is economical for the exam authorities too, is ONLINE EXAM and ONLINE FORM filling. Obviously those should be Free of Cost.

Now, the problem comes to getting educated or a degree.
Scenario:-
U can't afford higher study but U've passed the entrance exams. (Lets say, not a mark which earns a scholarship but at least a SEAT in your choice of B'School)

We need a system to overcome this situation. No reservation system would solve this.
They are reserving the seats but not lessening the fees, so, virtually its same as previous.

[sibot]

Financial aid can be given but admissions at university level has to be purely on merit basis.

[sujoyp]

I too will vote for free education in school thats up to 12th....after that student should go by merit...I dont wanna see a 35% scored student to be in NIT(national institute of technology) its just stupid that his forefather could not study soo he would also wont study but get seat in best colleges....

Reservation for anything be it poor people or cast will cause social division...and ultimately hatered

Better would be make everything free or everything on merit basis...

[gopi_vbboy]

And all anti-reservation activists should be first stripped off their social status, then made to work and toil like these backward classes were made to, for at least about 2000 yrs.

Pro-reservation activists are only trying the correct the wrongs perpetrated in the name of fukcing religion.

Mind ur words...we r not here abusing religion

thers no use of talking abt wat some ancestors hav done....wat can present gen oc's can do for wat some ppl in olden times hav descriminated....its like the oc's are now backward in terms of oppurtunities 2day.....do the present gen desrve for wat someone else has done...competition shud be free without restrictions n reservation or system will b unsable n inefficient someday

already TN has 69% reserv,AP has 50%

i know how these guys from Reservation study...they jus njoy wat they got...never seen atleast one who stood top in class

for a matter of fact...i hav some classmates who hav come though reserv..they are above middle class families only...not so poor...each of these guy gets scholarship n reservation seat...wat he does studies well?no...njoys....these guys get cellphones in their first year scolarship of 28k...wat else...money is goin the wrong way....they spend scholarship money wrong ways.....which they do not need n can pay.


i hav a classmate also who is o.c n poor background...studies welll.but struggled to get scholarship....see the fate!
so the reservation is already wasting big money of tax payer goin for wrong ppl...i mean for above creamy layer


i again say f* ur caste based reserv...gonna not help the country if limit exceeds n not based on poverty.

[MetalheadGautham]

You can't punish a man's son or grandson or great-grandson or any other ancestor for a crime the man initially did.

Nor can you punish a whole community for a crime only a majority of its people (read: not all) did.

I am totally against reservation. Its pointless in a modern society. I mean, modern girls today go after a guy for his charm, looks and brains. Or maybe wallets. Not because of his caste. And vice versa. No company intent on making profits will hire a n00b just because he is from an upper caste.

I today read a newspaper report which gave me shockwaves.

In Karnataka, our "glorious" CM decided to hand over Rs. 10000 to all SSLC (karnataka state board 10th standard) students who are girls from SC/ST families who got above 75% and Rs. 5000 to those who got 65% to 75%.

What th fu(k is that ? I remember my 10th standard well. I got 90.8% and I was a CBSE student. And a boy and from a so-called upper-caste. What did I get ? Nothing at all. And this year my sister in 10th is expecting over 95%. Whats she getting ? Nothing at all.

Does this CM even know WHAT Karnataka State Board Class 10 syllabus is like ? No he does not. Here, unlike CBSE, even average kids get over 85-90% (BTW, in CBSE even average kids get 75%). And he calls SC/ST girls with 65% and above meritorious ? Even the n00biest person (whether SC/ST or general student) I met in class 10 said karnataka SSLC exam was filthy easy and they could get 75%-80% without studying anything at all.

Infact, reservation has done more harm than good to the modern youth. I know many who have started hating SC/ST/OBC students because they feel that they too could have gotton into a better collage had the SC/ST/OBC students not had reservation benifits and competed in the same terms as others.

[Coool]

Reservation Suckss!!

[mediator]

If Casteism is not "Social Backwardness", then what is it ?

Nope its not. Is mayawati socially backward? All those so called 'leaders' in political parties with 'lower caste' stamp, are they socially backward? Its only the money power that decides who is backwards in todays time. While there may exist brahmins who really are not brahmins acc. to the "ideal" definition of the "varna system", they are not given any consideration. While 'tyical lower castes' if financially backward are then also considered socially backward. But is it true if the lower cast is not poor? I hope you know how easily people change their surnames in modern times and change their modern-age-defined caste.

Reservation based on poverty will only help in eradicating poverty.

If its financial help you are talking about, then I agree and if not then explain how?

What u r talking is also a kind of reservation. Isn't it?

We need to "define" who all are financially backwards to call financial help as reservation, which is plain slap on meritocracy. Until then we cannot call financial help as reservation. Its better to call it relaxation. People should be admitted on the basis of merit and then those who don't have sufficient funds to continue, should be given the relaxation, and made to compete on 'equal terms' and hence still upholding the meritocracy.

I personally know people from not so very finanically sound background and still doing good "without" carrying the tag of reservation, let alone the financial help. Many didn't even like the tag of reservation as they thought it would be a lasting curse on their career. While there are many from the rich background, and yet doing bad in life.

In graduation, there were many although good in theoretical knowledge , but extremely poor in practical knowledge in computers as they didn't have a computer at home, to buy pendrives or to get an internet connection. Is reservation helping them in that case? "WHAT IF" these students graduate without possessing the sound practical knowledge? Will the companies teach them the practicals? Every computer engg. student knows the importance of practicals. And when such kind of help is not give, they copy practicals and projects from seniors adding to the chaos. All the joy and excitement loses the very minute when somebody thinks of copying the projects!! Even the mechanical engg. projects like " Real Car project" etc needs sponsoring and are not achieved due to the illogical reservation. Sponsorship is done, people experiment, make a prototype, yield a model and then a working car and hence gaining vast amount of knowledge in the process.


Minority reservation, women reservation, cast based reservation? I think they should extend reservation to political parties and for the post of Prime Minister and President tooo.

What th fu(k is that ? I remember my 10th standard well. I got 90.8% and I was a CBSE student. And a boy and from a so-called upper-caste. What did I get ? Nothing at all. And this year my sister in 10th is expecting over 95%. Whats she getting ? Nothing at all.

WOW

[sujoyp]

I again disagree with all there financial help talks....India is soo corrupt that people will make those certificates so that they can take advantage of those financial help.....we saw what happened to bhopal gas leak....all the money was enjoyed by rich people and people who gave fake certificates....and poor people still die of pain.....no way i can see financial help will help in this...only corruption increases...
I will again say free is better....open government schools and make education free

[karnivore]

Mind ur words...we r not here abusing religion

Can you think of caste without first thinking of the religion that allows casteism.

thers no use of talking abt wat some ancestors hav done....wat can present gen oc's can do for wat some ppl in olden times hav descriminated....

Bravo !!!

For 2000 yrs, ostracize a bunch of people for being born into a particular family, persecute them, hound them, don't give them access to education, don't give them access to your religious rituals, don't touch them, don't let their shadow touch you, lest you loose your status, make them believe that they are the scum of the earth.

Then, 2000 yrs later simply dismiss their rights by a wave of hand saying that we, the genX, are not responsible for their fate. Therefore they must continue to live in the same ignominy that they have lived in for the last 2000yrs.

its like the oc's are now backward in terms of oppurtunities 2day.....do the present gen desrve for wat someone else has done...competition shud be free without restrictions n reservation or system will b unsable n inefficient someday

First make them live under your boot, then blame them for not being competitive enough. Excellent.

already TN has 69% reserv,AP has 50%

i know how these guys from Reservation study...they jus njoy wat they got...never seen atleast one who stood top in class

for a matter of fact...i hav some classmates who hav come though reserv..they are above middle class families only...not so poor...each of these guy gets scholarship n reservation seat...wat he does studies well?no...njoys....these guys get cellphones in their first year scolarship of 28k...wat else...money is goin the wrong way....they spend scholarship money wrong ways.....which they do not need n can pay.


i hav a classmate also who is o.c n poor background...studies welll.but struggled to get scholarship....see the fate!
so the reservation is already wasting big money of tax payer goin for wrong ppl...i mean for above creamy layer

Irrelevant personal anecdote. Unless you provide some real statics that shows that the backward classes are not doing good, given the opportunity, this rant is not going to count.

i again say f* ur caste based reserv...gonna not help the country if limit exceeds n not based on poverty.

yes you can fukc caste base reservation, for as long and as much as you want. It will only reinforce the arguments in favour of reservation.

[karnivore]

You can't punish a man's son or grandson or great-grandson or any other ancestor for a crime the man initially did.

Nor can you punish a whole community for a crime only a majority of its people (read: not all) did.

Its unfortunate that you think it that way. Please suggest me a method by which these people can be brought to the main stream. How do you suppose that a particular person, who has been inhumanly discriminated against, for generations, be able to compete with the ones who have always been privileged.

Once you are born as lower caste, you are stuck with it. You get thrown into the garbage of social pecking order. You automatically loose certain social rights, that we, the upper class virtually take for granted. Unless, they are given an opportunity, at the cost of our own privileges, which, btw, doesn't even begin to come closer to what they have been made to sacrifice, how do you suppose equality in social system be brought about.

Why do you expect to retain all your privileges, sacrifice none and then expect these people to compete with you, and then when they can't, make a mockery of them.

Infact, reservation has done more harm than good to the modern youth. I know many who have started hating SC/ST/OBC students because they feel that they too could have gotton into a better collage had the SC/ST/OBC students not had reservation benifits and competed in the same terms as others.

In other words, heads we win, tails they loose. GenX...my AZZ