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^^ plz post pics if possible. .
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If it says it supports 2000Mhz then it will support this. If you buy 1800Mhz ram now & your mobo comes with old bios then it will run them @ 1600Mhz.
So after the necessary bios update your mem will run @ it's full speed ie 1800Mhz. So nothing to worry. Just go ahead.
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^ Thanks topgear. Those are the golden words I was wanting to hear. Now The SECOND question.... The Gskill 1600 RAM is XMP while the 1800 is not. Can any one of u say if XMP would be better or the reaper one. Net reviews are sparse and nonconforming to one another. Kindly have a look at the links.
OCZ Reaper HPC 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1800 (PC3 14400) Desktop Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227417 $113.99 + $5.99 (US Shipping to NY) + $0 (NY Tax) = $ 119.98 Shipping weight = 1lbs Price = Rs. 7,900/- OCZ XMP Ready Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...list=fr oogle $98.99 + $0 (US Shipping to NY) + $0 (NY Tax) = $ 98.99 Shipping weight = 1lbs Price = Rs. 6,600/- |
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@ Shadowfax 2009
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rade,2264.html Here you'll find out that 3GB or 6GB, the performance difference is less than 0.5% ANd if you search guru3d, you'll see that spending cartloads on ddr3 1600mhz + ram is useless except for everest benchmark and wiwrar speed, that too by a little. I suggest get the lowest CAS Latency RAM available within your budget, as that will give you a true performance boost. ANd look out for a max of 1600 MHZ DDR3 with CL7 or CL6(if there).
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^ CompAddict.
Thanks a ton for the help. I will Stick to DDR3 1600. CAS6 is too costly currently. Can you go through the links and suggest finally what ram would be best for around a Hundred $ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227381 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227375 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227417 I really need to final now. Also since your thread on prices are the best can you tell me where to buy at Nehru Place. The threads on the topic are really old. Or should I do it all oner the net? |
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Fast 'N' Furious
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^^ If I were you I would go for those 1800Mhz ram. Sure the cas latency diiference between 1800 & 1600 Mhz is 1 but the price difference between two is only $14 that's hardly 1000 bucks.
You can OC those 1800Mhz modules much better than ( upto 2000-2200 ) than that 1600Mhz kit.
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But does that 1800MHz modules really help? In gaming and benchies(except everest and winrar agaan), it's no use. Just go for the 1600MHz kit, even if it's C7. Don't spend too much uselessly on RAM. Better investment is in a better mobo.
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Ya I was planning to get a DDR3 1600 and put the money on buying an EVGA X58 SLI board at 19,000/-. But i got blasted for wasting so much money on the MB. Look at this thread..... Another i7 Rig Configuration. Need the BLESSINGS :) of our in house experts... Can U suggest a good board? Should I go with EVGA or should I go for UD4 by KMD at 16000/-?
I am not confident with the MSI Pro board at 10,500/- |
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Evga mobo is for extreme OCers. If you don't want to run your proc 4Ghz & beyond just get the Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5. It shoud cost you Rs. 16.5-17K
@ comp@ddict - it's not that c8 1800Mhz ram is of no use. They give much bandwidth & has less latency ( 2ns. ) than c7 1600Mhgz Ram. Sure they does not offers great bandwidth benifit in gaming. But when you OC them you will get the real benifit out of them. And the price difference is not huge. Hardly Rs. 1K. For that 1K you can take your rams to speed as close to 2200Mhz & beyond. The DDR2 667Mhz modules @ c4 performs better than DDR2 800Mhz c5. But no ocers will get those cd DDR2 667Mhz modules coz the 800Mhz modules will give you much more oc headroom. It's the case with 1600Mhz and 1800mhz ram. I recommended 1800Mhz for great OC capability. It's only k more. But at the end of the day it's your call what you will buy
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with the BIOS update a.k.a EVGA BIOS Flash, ur old BIO will be updated with alot more new features (mainly h/ware compatibility upgrades).. i did a BIOS flash (update) and then my Win XP PRO+SP3 )32bit) OS began recognising 3 GB of RAM (wich previoously was detecting only 2 gb)... so on 64bit OSes there will be really more h/ware compatilibity upgrades as well.. Quote:
------------- Btw, wat gpu are u gonna use for ur rig.. ?? err.. i mean wats ur complete config.. ?? ----------- Cheers n e-peace...
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If you want to OC your proc beyond 4Ghz then get EVGA. But if you want to save some money & don't want to OC your Proc beyond 4Ghz then get Gigabyte. It's perfectly fine.
Get OCZ 1800Mhz one. Lynx does provides warranty though I've not bought anything from them. Logitech G15 is gaming keyboard not mouse. So reverse your options : get the G15 KB & Logitech MX518 mouse ( Rs. 1.2 -1.4 K ) Get Palit GTX 275 one. CM690 has the best air circulation in it's range. So it's more better than gladiator. But if you don't like CM690 then it's your call what you will opt for. Get Corsair 750W or Tagan 800W if it's modular. Buddy it's not smps it should be ups coz I don't think apc makes ups. A 1000VA should suffice your needs. But if you want something extreme then get 1500VA. BTW, stick with core i7
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@ Shadowfax will reply to ur cofig in detail in sumtime today.. as my net conn is really aweful man.. so plz delay regretted..
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I wrote yesterday after coming back from a party....so was a bit tizzy.
My computer configuration till now: 1.Motherboard: EVGA X58 triple SLI @ 19000/- Or Gigabyte UD5 at 16,500/- from Phoenix Having second thoughts about which mobo. Gigabyte UD5 is currently not available with any dealers. Would be a good VFM. I would be overclocking only to a mere 3-3.4 GHz for the next 7-8 months…..target is playing games..some 3DMAx as hobby and a lot of photoshop. I might not overclock at all. Will confirm order by next week. Inching towards EVGA…..Beautiful board….EVGA is the Honda amongst mobo makers. But can those of u have the board confirm its performance. Reviewes are good but first hand report will be even better. 2.RAM: OCZ XMP Ready DDR3 1600 Cl8 From KMD @ 6600/- + Shipping 200/- or OCZ DDR3 1800 Cl8 From KMD @ 8000/- CONFIRMED Went for the OCZ reaper DDR3 1800 @ CL8: for 8000/- after reading all your comments here. Customer reviews have even ran it on 1600 w/ 7-7-7-22-2T timings. 3.Monitor: Dell 24” S2409w @ 13500/- from Phoenix CONFIRMED 4.Processor: Intel Core i7 920 @ 15000/- From Nehru Place (SMC) Will buy anything less than this! Suggest from where to buy in Delhi? Which Shop at Nehru Place? Lynx have put up a price of 14,250/- on the website. IS it without taxes or VAT? Any suggestions? Yes it was quoted without taxes, talked to Amarbir today. Guess will have to shell out 15k for the processor. 5.Grafix Card: Palit GTX 275 @ 15,500/- from Phoenix --Decided (I am emotionally a bit Nvidia ) Max I can spend is 15000/ now. I will rather buy a weak GTX 275 now and decide later whether to SLI it or to go for a GT300 series when it becomes decently priced by end of this year. I know ATI 4890 performs similar or slightly better, but I have like the drivers of Nvidia. 6.Cabinet: CoolerMaster Gladiator @ 3900/- or Cm690 @ 4200/- From Nehru place (SMC) A bit tired of seeing and hearing about CM690. It’s a good case but I like the design of Gladiator better. But since all suggestions are for 690 I might finally go for it. If there are other good cabbies at < 4000/- kindly let me know. I am not willing to spend on NZXT/CM 6000/- ones. 7.PSU: Coolermaster Real power 750w / Corsair 750 watt or 850w / Tagan 800w. Ready for suggestion. Completely open to ideas. Currently decided for Corsair TX 850 w @ 9300/- . Better prices any one? 8.UPS: APC Smart series. ~ 1Kva at @ 11,000/- Too pricey man. With a lot of reluctance I buy this after listening to the feedbacks and miseries of other active PFC SMPS users. bowled and runout at the same time. No ideas honestly. Willing to spend around 8000/- . Suggestions and deals please. 9.Mouse: Razor/ Logitech: Can be settled after the other things settle down. Which is better: Razor Razer Salmosa @ 1.9k or Razer Death Adder @ 2.5k Help. Looking for the best VFM (or any <1 k Logitech mouse) Suggest. 10.Keyboard: Standard Logitech will do.@ 500/- Sill suggest. Maximum 1250/- 1.Undecided list: 1)Aftermarket coolers: Do I need one if I overclock to 3.4-3.6 GHz or to just 3.0 ghz? 2)Which PCI TV tuner card to buy? 3)Will buy a Zonar later…..No money now. 4)Need for additional fans? Well guys ... this was my thought till now.... I was about to confirm my purchase but I have been blasted at the hardware troubleshoot forum for NOT GOING FOR A AMD 955 RIG.[IMG]file:///C:/Users/SHADOW%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG] look here http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117427 |
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Hey all
1. Gigabyte mobos are (Particularly UD5) are not available in the market. Not even with dealers/Distributors. Most probably new refresh is coming over the next few weeks..... Look here: http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=608 The following is a part of the news: [QUOTE] The first platform from Gigabyte to receive a refresh is the X58 series of motherboards. From the Extreme board down to the lower mid-range UD4 series, Gigabyte is planning a complete update to this product line in the coming weeks. The GA-EX58A-Extreme and GA-EX58A-UD5 is sporting Gigabyte's new 24-phase power delivery system. We are still skeptical about the benefits of phase counts over 12 (especially good ones) on this platform, but the engineers made a compelling case for improved overclocking and stability when running high Bclk rates on this platform. Regardless, other features such as the new DES2 technology, four Marvell 6Gb/s SATA ports, dual LAN with auto-switching ports, and improved memory performance is what caught our eye and will be of greater value to the users. The GA-EX58A-UD4 appears to be a very solid design and is a board we cannot wait to test. It also features the Marvell 6Gb/s SATA controller but with two ports, the new smart dual LAN auto-switching technology, DES2, a robust 12-phase power delivery system, and Gigabyte's new Smart 6 Technology package. The Smart 6 package consists of Smart Recovery (similar to Windows roll-back points but smarter), Smart Recorder (logging security system), Smart Time Lock (set variable PC usage periods for a shared system), Smart QuickBoost (auto overclocking gates), Smart DualBIOS (password and date manager, yes, BIOS wording does not make sense), and Smart QuickBoot. Out of all of these it was Smart QuickBoot that caught our attention. This program consists of two features, BIOS QuickBoot and OS QuickBoot. BIOS Quick Boot allows your system fast track past the normal BIOS routine if changes to the BIOS have not been made after three successful boots. This will typically save 10 seconds or more off a typical POST process. The OS QuickBoot forces the system to go into a modified S3 routine upon OS shutdown and enables a quick resume feature, similar to ASRock's Instant Boot technology. [\QUOTE] Now what? PS: "To buy or not to buy is the question?" |
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Stick with 1800Mhz rams. GTX 275 performs better than HD4890 CM690 has best air circulation in it's price range. so get it. BTW, if don't think it's cool then it's your call what you are gonna opt for. Get corsair 750W or Tagan 800W if it's modular. As I said APC 1000VA should suffice your needs & it's the best one you can get. Get Logitech MX 518 mouse & Multimedia KB or else Microsoft Wireless Keyboard + Mouse Set @ Rs. 1500 You don't need a cooler upto 3.2Ghz though it could be 3.4Ghz if you have AC in your room. But I would not recommend to go beyond 3 with that stock HSF to be in the safe limits Get pinnacle internal TV tuner card. It should be Rs. 2.5K or else You can try avermedia or pixelview @ Rs. 1.5K range. BTW, leadtek also has some good tuners @ 2.5-3K range. Get 2-3 120mm fans if you are going for CM690
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Hey guys
Now that Intel is cannibalizing i7 920 ..... do you still suggest me to go for i7 config ? Should I wait for a month? Or should I jump the wagon to AMD PhenomII ? Or Should I wait till AM3 Mobo with Sli support comes out to the market? |
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Just get the intel core i7 920.
Coz a phenom x2 955 even cannot beat intel Q9770. there is no point for wait for AM3 mobos with sli support. Coz core i7 mobos already have that.
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Nice thread. well i am going to build a core i7 rig for one of my friend. he is doing btech in computer science and he will be needing it for
1. study work 2. video encoding 3. a bit of gaming 4. running linux, solaris,opensuse,fedora budget 70k well i have build a configuration just needed ur advice and vies about it processor- corei7 920 motherboard- msi x58pro ram- corsair 3gb ddr3(will upgrade it later) hard drive- wd 500gb 7200rpm optical drive- sony dvd writer monitor-samsung 2233SW GPU: zotac gtx 260 core 216 cabinet and smps and ups not decided not yet decided alraedy having keyboard mouse and speakers i have some queries 1. some people are saying that msi motherboards are not good as they have thin pcb and do get heat up a lot. 2. some have suggested that performance of ddr3 rams available in the market is quite poor as they have high latency. is that true? looking forward to ur replies |
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If you can hold up your build for a month or two then you can get much better graphics card (coz http://www.techpowerup.com/96355/AMD...cts_in_Q3.html ) and also since dx11 is just on the horizon, the wait will really up this time if he is going to keep the rig for some time. Or you can just buy some place holder second card for time being and then go for a graphics card when DX11 arrives with Windows 7.
And about MSI motherboards, i haven't heard about issues with them, they are also just like other X58s around. And you are spot on about quality of DDR3 ram today (in India), DDR3 is heck expensive (talking about triple channels kit as older kits use very high voltage which will kill the core i7 IMC ) and latency is also not good. |
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say, if Intel Launch core i8 (jus say)... then ppl will jump over to that ?? naa, not possible Quote:
1.) for cabinet, go for CM (CoolerMaster) 690 for Rs.4200/- and it is the best cabunet out there with really good pricing as well as really efficient cooling panel. . 2.) For SMPS (PSU) go for Either Corsair TX750 or for Tagan.. both brands are top notch.. and especially since they are ACTIVE PFC PSUs.. u better get a PURE SINE WAVE UPS... APC's Range of SMART UPS ups is a pure sine wave UPS but are damn costly... 3.) as for MSI, jus forget abt them and get a Gigabyte UD5 (Rs. 16.5K) or get EVGA X58 (its a Overclocking mobo hence costly and priced at Rs. 22.7K) 4.) As for DDR3, yup they are costly, but its our onl bet to buy as of now.. Quote:
---------------- Cheers n e-peace.....
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^^ MSi x58 eclipse mobos were very bad but the x58 pro mobos are not so bad & it's pricing is also great. Seems like they have learned from their faults with eclipse
But I would also recommend a evga over any other brand for x58 mobos if someone is willing to pay for the OC baby
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Hey all
Can anyone tell me where to find NZXT Cabinets at Delhi? I need to see them in reality...to make final decision. They seem pretty good in pictures. Update on comp: Still scavenging for deals. Got a Galaxy GTX 275 OC at 13,500/- with 2 years warranty Gigabyte UD5 still not available |
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Don't mention it buddy
BTW, I think you wanted to say thankx instead of htanx
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^^
lol.. ooh yaa.. sry for my mystyping..oops again.. i meant MIStyping.. -----------
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Ok guys, now this time im on the lookout for a 22" LCD for my rig (as in my siggy) as my current monitor (Samsung SyncMaster 920NW-- 19") is too small and NOT enough crisp to allow me to fully utilise my gpu (gtx 280).. So... wich one to buy guys... ?? .> Samsung 2233 SW--22" (FullHD) .............. or ............... .> Dell ----------------- Note: plz i want only a 22" as anything larger than that will JUS NOT fit onto my table "FullHD" or "noHD" is NOT my priority but the following are: a.) clear visuals, b.) good Contrast ratio with good color reproduction, c.) Response time of ~2ms (5ms is a no no for me..), d.) HDMI connectivity (if tats not possible wat is its alternate option.. DVI.. ?? is it..) e.) also, (since i hv a PS2) i want it to connect it to the LCD as well, as and wen required.. BUDGET: 13K (max) +/- 2K so plz tell me wich to go for... i'll make a purchase in 2-3 days maybe from say.. croma, Malad (mumbai) or Hypercity, malad (preferably i wud prefer to make a purchase from croma ).. ----------- Cheers n e-peace.....
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