A : I would like to ask you a simple question, you are a MS or OSS supporter?
B : Frankly speaking, I am not any of them.
A : That's a very diplomatic answer. Still I feel, you have a soft corner for MS.
B : I still think that OSS is still not up to the mark, to have a really good and easy to use OS. The good thing is they are growing & innovating at a rapid pace.
A : It feels nice to see them progressing at a fast pace.
A : I have lots of things to say, but it will again lead to another OS war.
B : Tell me.
A : You will start a war man, I know you very well. So I will prefer to keep mum.
B : Tell me what you have to tell, I agree not to start a war & lead a peaceful discussion.
B : Start the debate before load shedding begins
A : Fine
A : But please just listen & leave it from your head.
B : Yeah.
A : After Xp arrived Vista, the most awaited OS of MS
B : yeah
B: And also the most hyped OS
A: People expected a lot from Vista
A : But do you think it succeeded?
B : Naa ?
A : The answer is a BIG NOOOOOOOOO
B : Listen for me it does have a lot of complexation
A: Wait listen to me first & then u can say what you wish to
B: yeah, tell me
B : So it(Windows Vista) failed
B : Still most people use Windows XP
A : Carry on
A : So we can say MS is on a downfall
A : while on other hand
A : OSS is getting better & better each day
A : Today many people have dumped Windows Vista
A: including me
A : I will never install it
A : Your links have gone waste
B : Thats it ?
A : So the point is why do people like windows ?
A: Just bcoz they are used to it ?
A : Just because their first pc encounter started with windows ?
A : But if we reverse the case I .e every pc will come installed with ubuntu or any other distro
A : Today linux would have scaled heights, which windows could not even think of
A : Also in a economy driven country like India, do you think the pricing of MS is injustified
A : So they are basically, behind looting the people.
A : On the other hand OSS is free.
A : All can use it & distribute amongst their friends legally. No piracy, no burning hole in your pocket.
A : Then why should anyone point out LINUX sucks ????
A : First look at your Damn M$ windows and then comment.
A : Bloody M$ supporters !!!!!!!!
A : X-(
B : ha ha
B : u are getting angry
B : So thats it ? Are you finished with your say?
A : yeah that's it
B : Then it is my turn now.
A : yeah your turn :d
B : ha ha
B: why are u angry man ?
B : It is just some virtual things that even does not have a real existence
A : I ain't angry yaar. Was just kidding with the above comments.
B : So we must not get angry over it
A : I am cool
B : So let me start
A : I can send a pic now, so you can be sure that I ain't angry. You want me to do that?
B: No no
A: Ok begin
B: Let me start with Vista now.
B : Microsoft Vista is the latest offering from their stable
B : and also the most hyped one as u said
B : and people did not like it
B : and the sales are down etc etc
A : Ok
B : But now did you even used Windows Vista continuously for a month at least?
A : For the matter of fact, I haven't even used LINUX with that expertise as I use windows.
A: I am a intermediate windows user and a n00b in LINUX
A : Still I love linux.
B : I am not talking about that
B : I am talking about Vista
B: Did u used it personally ?
A : Yes
B : For at least one months ?
A : But that's what i am saying, it was so bad, that i removed it.
B : You used it for one month at least?
A : Yeah I had used it for a month.
B : You got the full experience of Windows Vista like AERO and other stuffs ?
A : Yes.
B : Which edition ?
A : Windows Vista Ultimate.
B : OK
B : And u are saying that it is so bad that u removed
B : Well then
B : Let's see whats Vista got under the hood
B : It is a new OS with a new kernel
B : and as it is a new generation OS, obviously it will not run on a Pentium 3
B : as u got with XP.
A : Ok, so?
B : Because simply as the Moores Law states
B : Technology is booming in a exponential rate
B : So MS also thought that at least most of the people has a good standard PC
A : go on..
B : with some 1 or 2 GHz proccy
B : because P3 with mere 256 MB RAM was not the standard of 2007
B : when Vista was released
B : as dual core processors made their debut almost 2 years ago
B : so performance wise, Vista does need at least a moderate PC
A : Though dual cores arrived how many have them? Only those who bought pc recently have them.
B : I am not talking about Core 2 Duo
B : Pentium Dual cores are also there
B : leave the dual cores man
B : even there were some good low cost AMD processors
B : with good performances over P4
A : So what you want to say?
A : Vista requires a moderate pc to run?
B : So most people who bought PC on or after 2005 will have the enough horsepower to run Vista
B : but many people who had XP from 2001
B : expected to run Vista with their same old hardware, that may be shipped on 2000
B: It is ridiculous to have such expectations.
B: That was the main performance point.
A : ok
B : Then come the security aspect
A: But then everybody upgraded their age old pc's with new hardware. Like adding ram, graphic cards etc. I am a perfect example of this.
A : But inspite of adequate hardware, Windows Vista crawls? Why?
A : What can be the reason?
B : Who says Vista crawls?
B : I have a P4 with 1GB RAM and just a mere Geforce 5200 FX
A : What is that most people including majors/ famous people still are using XP?
B : Thats because the same thing u told before, FAMILIARITY.
B : They are not too familiar with Vista.
A : Not familiarity, it's coz of they do not want to upgrade their hardware or vista is slow.
B : and some new security features are pissing them off
A : Incompatible softwares is another thing holding back Vista
A : Visit any bank & u will see XP
B: There are no problems with softwares now.
A : Visit any photo studio who own a powerful pc
A : They also use Xp. Why not vista?
B : Listen man
B : when I was in 2004
A : ok software compatibility is over
B : I saw the banks were using Windows 2000
B : why ?
B : They could use XP then as it was released in 2001
B : thats the same case with Vista now
B : I did not tell you that Vista do not have some problems
B : I already pointed out them, as I am using Vista from last 7 months
B : They are system requirements and some poor startup management
A : P4 2.0 Ghz, 768 MB DDR ram, 512 MB 7300GT? Vista requires more than this?
B : Vista needs more RAM.
B : It will even do with a P4 1.5 Ghz but it will need more RAM
B : as it has the habit to fill the RAM as soon as possible.
A : So just say, get a new dual core/ quad core. 4 GB ram pc with a high end graphics card
A : and then enjoy vista on full glory
B : That will be a overpowered one.
B : You need a moderate machine with AMD Athlon 1.5 Ghz , 1 GB Ram and some Geforce 7 series graphics card.
B : and if u tweak the Vista
A : Forget tweaking.
B : Then what about Ubuntu ?
A : If you say tweaking OSS is even better than windows
B : The latest Ubuntu installment is damn slow.
B : Hardy Heron is not up to the mark in the performance front.
A : Slow..... Vista is slower here dude.
A : B-)
B : You know what is the problem here with Linux ,
B : there Windows Managers are pure CRAP
B : it does not have even Vector Graphics
B : and it boasts of Compiz Fusion
B : GNOME is using more resources than the dwm.exe in Vista and KDE 4 is ****ed u know
B : Nautilus is also not a good file manager in comparison.
A : For matter of fact,
A : I did a short survey
B : Yeah
A : I installed Vista & Ubuntu on my computer,
B : and ? Then ?
A : Called up my friends and all
A : then showed them both the OS's
B: and then they called Vista is CRAP
B: and Ubuntu Rocks
B: I know that
A : told them to work on each of them for 10 min
A : This ain't a joke, I really did it.
A : yeah you are right.
A : At the end Ubuntu impressed them & Vista failed
A : They even loved old XP
B : I do not get that what the problem with Vista
B : Is it that it is just slow, that XP ?
B : :-/
A : Yeah & also cluttered and bloated.
A : Linux looks easy & feels smooth like makkhan(Butter) to my friends.
B : where are the clutters ?
A : Clutter means the sidebar, breadcrumbs etc.
B : Just sometime ago, u told me the your phone can't be configured in Ubuntu for internet access(via GPRS), am I right ?
B : So what the problem with it ?
B : It's so easy to use, makkhan ??
B : I copy pasted the above from our previous chats.
B : I want to say that any linux distro, cant be configured to have internet access through Nokia 5700, right?
B : You even created some threads in the digit forum to ask for some help. At that time even linux pro's of forums failed to help you.
B : So what the problem with it ? You said it was so easy to use, just like makkhan ?
B : Then where are the plug and play support in ubuntu man ?
B : why it needs pros to configure something on linux ?
B : Tell me
B : Why the hardware support is so bad ?
B : That my graphic card cant be used directly ?
B : and I had to move hell and heaven for configuring the card.
A : I did manage to use net in Ubunutu, by connecting my phone
A : I also installed nvidia drivers for my Geforce 7300GT graphic card.
B : Read it again, but “it needs heaven to hell to configure it” !!!
A : That's because Microsoft did monopoly & hardware manufacturers ignored linux
B: And if u do just a bad thing in the Xorg.conf, you could mess up your system badly.
A : In that case, even if you edit the windows registry without any caution or knowledge, you could screw your windows.
B : Why you just do not tell that it is not really easy to install a device driver in Linux ?
B : When u OSS people lose, you always do that same thing.
A : I don't agree
A : Windows came bundled with pc & it was monopoly and nothing else.
B : Thats not the matter. I have a assembled PC, there was nothing installed in it. Later then I installed Windows Vista on it in 2007.
A : Even if you assemble pc, the assembler will give you a pirated copy of windows installed.
B : NO NO. I did not take any OS. When I installed Vista through the installers, I did not have a single problem with it.
B : But I have problems with every linux distros, they can't be installed in my pc directly.
B : Even the hacintosh can be installed at one go, but no linux distro.
A : As u faced linux problems, here on my pc I find windows problems.
B : Yeah. Tell me. Some BSOD's?
B : I just encountered one BSOD in Windows Vista, but it turned out to be a faulty connection in the pc cabinet. It was due to some carbon scoring within my pc's cabinet.
A : I just used for one month & I got none.
A : Even Ubuntu did not gave any BSOD/kernel panic.
B : And I always have a lots of Kernel Panic in Ubuntu which is similar to BSOD.
A : So?
B : Just name one device that can be added after Ubuntu's default installation.
B : THERE ARE NONE
B : because linux does not care about the user's ease.
A : Well you are temtping me to again repeat the same thing.
A : MS is MONOPOLIST.
B : I know, I know, and that is the same thing every FOSS lover says when they lose the war on some aspect.
A : It's not what every FOSS user say, it's reality. MS is monopolist.
B : I do not say the Ubuntu does not have any good qualities over Windows.
B : I know it is reality.
B : You know that there are and were some little industries all over India that used to make some goods that were currently heavily marketed by TATA and then these companies lost their war to TATA and were phased out.
B : So why do u use TATA products ? Even they are monopolists.
B : Just leave the TATA products, Reliance and other big companies. Can you ?
B: U cant
A : But when did this come in between??
B : This is same. Just in other business, I was giving examples.
A : I have tried many operators like vodafone, tata, dolphin etc.
B: I am not talking about phones, but about regular household things that were made by these large companies. Once they were made by some little industries all over India and now they are extinct because of these big companies
B : Is not it a good example of monopoly ?
B : Then why don't you start a movement against it ?
A : People always don't realise power of small
B : Yeah
A : The small get shadowed by the big monsters.
B : Then start a movement against it.
A : When you try one product or commodity, then only you can comment on it.
B : What about trying it ? I already tried it. I lived once in a small countryside town named Jalpaiguri and almost everything I used there was local.
A : I am not talking about you. I am talking about how many people tried products from small industries ?
A : You must be knowing Jumbo King?
B : Yes have heard about it.
A : So jumbo king is a franchisee of vada pav. Many people have it daily when commuting. You can see a jumbo king at each railway station.
A : But to be frank, Jumbo king is no more than a big Banner.
B : Yeah and ?
A : I have a vada pav shop outside my college and he prepares more delicious vadpav's than jumbo king even at a low price.
B : That's it ?
A : I never eat jumbo king.
B : But u know in nature, Big fishes eat lots of small fishes and that's what we call monopoly in real life.
A : Also people have a bad habit of following others foot steps
A : why not be different??
B : But Big fishes will continue to eat the small thats the way of things. It is the Survival of the Fittest.
A : So even u agree MS is MONOPOLIST?
B : It may be that some time small fishes do overcome the big
B : For the MS Question, YEEEEES and thats natural.
A : So? Here we have the answer behind this healthy debate.
B : And a good conclusion too.
A : Yeah.
B : If there were linux instead of MS then linux will be the same. They would be the monopolists then.
A : Agree
B: So there is nothing to do with the monopolism man.
A : No there is.
B : It is just that the people change but monopoly stays.
A : Only the one who try different things are here to judge this. A good example in front of you itself, Me.
B : You tried different things ?
B : like a hundred mobile phones ? or some 50 OS's ?
A : Not other things, I am talking about OS.
A: "Windows failed to impress me in 5 yrs, the same was done by Ubuntu in 1 month "
B : It may be because sometime we just decide looking through our own machines.
A : So i was unbiased before and hence you can say my inclination to linux isn't any fanboyism.
B : As my machine runs Windows better than anything else so I support Windows as of now.
B : No it is just the strategy to survive. Say for example there are some political riots and let that I support "A" political party and when in the riot some cadets of "B" rescues me then I must have to support “B”
B : In that case it is my only way to survive. That is the way of living, fully featured with some choices, in the case of OS too.
B : I can run WIndows easily in my own PC but I can't run Linux without a hassle.
A : Never ending Debate : Windows vs Linux
B : So I chose Windows to work with the PC.
A : And I choose Linux
B : That's it.
A : Yeah
B : It is simply the matter of choice.
A : This has bought a big smile on my face :d
A : Thus we can conclude Windows and Linux. Two poles of the OS world. Both have pluses & negatives. Just as two people have different point of view, same is here. Some people are made for Windows and some for Linux.
B : Yes
A : It was nice to discuss on this with you.
B : Same here. Use what you are comfortable with. If people realize this there won't be any OS war's.
A : Yes. Peace
B : Bye buddy. It has already been 3 hours and now I have to take my lunch.
A : Ohh.yes even I have to take my Lunch. Bye
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