Porn in Windows and Linux

[drgrudge]

In Windows:



In Linux:





Source: Hiding Dirty Stuff: Windows vs. Linux

[ray|raven]

Lolz, Funniest thing all day

P.S : How do u guys do it in a mac

[praka123]

^same holds for OS X also,but..u know mac users are just eye candy lovers...so...they dont even know how to change permissions! I suppose

anyways, data in UNIX* or Linux is anytime safe!

[drgrudge]

Originally Posted by rayraven

Lolz, Funniest thing all day

P.S : How do u guys do it in a mac

I dunno. Posted in the Mac thread and hopefully the Mac gurus should have some solution.


@praka123,
I'm **** scared of terminal. I don't how you guys do and make it so facile.

[ray|raven]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

I'm **** scared of terminal. I don't how you guys do and make it so facile.

You just grow used to it.
And the constant "do this in the terminal" from anyone u ask on a forum helps

[Faun]

seen the windows pic but linux one is new

[Gigacore]

cool!

[praka123]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

I dunno. Posted in the Mac thread and hopefully the Mac gurus should have some solution.


@praka123,
I'm **** scared of terminal. I don't how you guys do and make it so facile.

bash shell is easy man along with bash completion.an example is like if i ask u to fill the blanks "Kappalottiya __________" ""
^^and u know the answer "" the same way bash shell completes the commands,if u give the first few words or press TAB key it will show all possible commands.also,"man commandname" shows how to use the command.and DONT think DOS prompt and UNIX Shell be the SAME
the mac os x also may be having the same tools,albeit which are freebsd ones.
u can try the same command by opening terminal and running the same command:
but i dont know which shell mac os x is using

[Hitboxx]

Rofl so true!!

[gxsaurav]

Lolz, there is no solution to an Ignorant user. This is a method I m using since the advent of Windows 2000. Simple way to change permission for a folder. If any other user stumbles upon this folder they can't open it or even see this folder in Explorer.



Before you guys start bashing Windows for anything, plz make sure you know how to use Windows OS.

[infra_red_dude]

^^^ But if you use this method and you are logged into your account then anyone can access it without password!

[drgrudge]

gx_saurav -
Not everyone is a MVP to know that stuff. 99.5% of the people use use the method as shown in the first post.

[Hitboxx]

Yer maybe but its easy, just uncheck Simple File Sharing (no need to be a MVP).,,but. , how do you hide it from the already logged in user without editing in the properties?

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

^^^ But if you use this method and you are logged into your account then anyone can access it without password!

how do you hide it from the already logged in user without editing in the properties?

You have to edit the property. Just change the permission like I have shown here, then deny permission to your own account. So everytime I have to open the folder, I will first have to go & change the permission for my own user too.

Like in the screen shot, I denied permission for the user Saurav, along with other users of this computer like my sister. Now no one can see this folder in Explorer....& can't even open it.

gx_saurav -
Not everyone is a MVP to know that stuff. 99.5% of the people use use the method as shown in the first post.

Yup, u r right, but this feature is there since Windows 2000. I was just clearing misconception of Prakash that setting permission in Windows is tough/not possible.

If a user want to secure a folder, the most logical method which he is going to follow is to right click on the folder & select properties. The security tab is right there.

[shantanu]

why you guys start commenting negatives here.. GX : its nice you told the trick to everyone.. but rephrase your comment. and infra : dude why you are always into cutting gx aside.. and drgrudge what r u doing man.. ?

[gxsaurav]

I edited the post shantanu.

[praka123]

permission system in windows is never anyway comparable to Linux/UNIX* systems however u try to convince!

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by praka123

permission system in windows is never anyway comparable to Linux/UNIX* systems however u try to convince!

I would like to ask, How come????? Ever tried giving permissions in a Windows network or local system or a desktop computer only.

How is Unix permission system is better then Windows, all of us Windows users would like to know, care to elaborate.???

[vish786]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

I would like to ask, How come????? Ever tried giving permissions in a Windows network or local system or a desktop computer only.

How is Unix permission system is better then Windows, all of us Windows users would like to know, care to elaborate.???

elaborate... its already done in 1st post... picture speaks a thousand words. dont re-ask again & again.

Originally Posted by shantanu

why you guys start commenting negatives here.. GX : its nice you told the trick to everyone.. but rephrase your comment. and infra : dude why you are always into cutting gx aside.. and drgrudge what r u doing man.. ?

shantanu this does give us a general idea of what type of mods we have here.
wait for few more days mods themselves would be suggesting wat to watch & wat not too.....

[iMav]

people not knowing how to use something is not their fault but the things fault - in this case windows

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by shantanu

infra : dude why you are always into cutting gx aside..

Not cutting GX aside, just informing people who would use this method to protect their data (confidential/porn whatever) of the danger than if set improperly then it would not be safe.

I'm not comparing the permission system of any OS. Just trying to clear some things

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by vish786

elaborate... its already done in 1st post... picture speaks a thousand words. dont re-ask again & again.

It is shown incorrect in the first pic. Just a way to downplay Windows

[praka123]

It is very difficult for me to explain UNIX system wide permission setup in One word.work of over 37 years went behind this!

Originally Posted by gx sourav

How is Unix permission system is better then Windows, all of us Windows users would like to know, care to elaborate.???

Linux offers advanced UNIX file system permissions which in brief can be :
user,groups,others with each having rwx(read,write,execute) option available for setting.also,there is SUID,SGID,Sticky Bits,POSIX ACLs,octal permissions to name a few.it is too complex to get a crack It needs time to totally understand UNIX system wide permission system
OK.here it is in simple words :

Linux—and Unix-like systems in general—have a “user, group, other” approach to filesystem permissions at a minimum.[72] This can be seen by typing ls -l in a text terminal on a Linux system. There also Access Control Lists available on some filesystems, which extends the traditional Unix-like permissions system. Security patches like SELinux and PaX add Role-Based Access Controls, which add even finer-grained controls over which users and programs can have access to certain resources or perform certain operations. Some distributions, such as Fedora, CentOS, and Red Hat use SELinux out of the box, although most do not.[73]
Most Linux distributions provide different user accounts for the various daemons.[74] In common practice, user applications are run on unprivileged accounts, to provide Least user access. In some distributions, administrative tasks can only be performed through explicit switching from the user account to the root account (tools such as su and sudo are very common).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...Linux#Security
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ation_features

and windows:

I just found out about an important security update for Vista: KB943078. Betanews published the related article Microsoft acknowledges Vista kernel elevation vulnerability on December 14, 2007 that links to the Microsoft Security Bulletin MS07-066 - Important. Basically, a vulnerability has been found that enables a trojan to elevate itself to full administrator without the user's knowledge, thereby gaining complete control of the system. (This is what they mean when they say that UAC is not a security boundary.)

While we are on the subject of vulnerabilities, here are some other oldies worth knowing about...

PC World published the article Vista's UAC Warnings Can't be Trusted, Symantec Says on February 22, 2007. Basically this is a vulnerability that tricks a user into thinking it is safe to elevate a process. It does this by tricking the system into displaying the trusted green elevation dialog that indicates that the elevation request is coming from a trusted Windows process rather than from an unknown process (that would be displayed with a yellow/orange title bar). You can see samples of the various elevation dialogs here: Getting Started with User Account Control on Windows Vista

That was followed up by eWeek.com on May 16, 2007 with the article Researcher Reveals 2-Step Vista UAC Hack. This article shows that the theoretical vulnerability found by Symantec could actually be exploited. Remember, that this exploit is a weakness in the design of UAC so it won't be patched like was done with the critical security update above. This is a good reminder that your user population should not be given administrator privileges unnecessarily.

While we're on the topic of weakness in UAC design, you will want to have a look at ZDNet's article Hacker, Microsoft duke it out over Vista design flaw posted February, 2007. It points out the compromises made to Vista's elevation procedures when it comes to installing legacy applications. It is important to note that Vista's requirement that you must be admin to install some of these applications is less secure than XP where sometimes you had the opportunity to install products with only basic user rights.

http://vistavitals.blogspot.com/2007...abilities.html
UAC Vulnerabilites!
Vista have UAC(copied from UNIX ) which may be good,but cannot be as worthy and do not give the complex options that can be set on files.

Because of Microsoft’s aggressive marketing practices, millions of users who have no idea what an operating system is have been using Windows operating systems given to them when they purchased their PCs. Many others are not aware that there are operating systems other than Windows. But you are here reading an article about operating systems, which probably means that you are trying to make conscious OS decisions for home use or for your organizations. In that case, you should at least give Linux/Unix your consideration, especially if the following is relevant in your environment.
Advantages of Unix

- Unix is more flexible and can be installed on many different types of machines, including main-frame computers, supercomputers and micro-computers.
- Unix is more stable and does not go down as often as Windows does, therefore requires less administration and maintenance.
- Unix has greater built-in security and permissions features than Windows.
- Unix possesses much greater processing power than Windows.
- Unix is the leader in serving the Web. About 90% of the Internet relies on Unix operating systems running Apache, the world's most widely used Web server.
- Software upgrades from Microsoft often require the user to purchase new or more hardware or prerequisite software. That is not the case with Unix.
- The mostly free or inexpensive open-source operating systems, such as Linux and BSD, with their flexibility and control, are very attractive to (aspiring) computer wizards. Many of the smartest programmers are developing state-of-the-art software free of charge for the fast growing "open-source movement”.
- Unix also inspires novel approaches to software design, such as solving problems by interconnecting simpler tools instead of creating large monolithic application programs.

http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/a/unix_win.htm

and last,but not the least,Vista permission system is a failed copying of UNIX File Permission system

[infra_red_dude]

Prakash, Windows has exactly the same kinda permission system except that it lacks "sudo"; UAC is a very crude implementation of sudo.

Personally I feel no difference in the permission system; just that windows doesn't haf the feature to log in as admin on the fly and do things (for the lack of which UAC has been implemented; albeit badly and needs some time to mature).

[nish_higher]

this thread should be in the Fight Club section

but permission system at this moment is better in linux than windows

[praka123]

@infra:you better research things man!I know that UAC is Vista's ripping of UNIX sys wide permission system.but failed with vulnerabilities


Read some system wide permission article @infra:
http://polishlinux.org/console/file-...ions-in-linux/

[gary4gar]

who knows what amount of code in these close sourced programs is stolen from open source arena.

Maybe in sense some close source programs are open source

[praka123]

^right for GPLed program owners to sue many a win features

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

gx_saurav -
Not everyone is a MVP to know that stuff. 99.5% of the people use use the method as shown in the first post.

Similarly 99% of linux Newbies don't know about Linux File-System Permissions and won't get to the command-line to modify file permissions.

I myself have set Permissions on my Win XP machine so that my sister does not accidently(or intentionally) delete important files .

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

Personally I feel no difference in the permission system; just that windows doesn't haf the feature to log in as admin on the fly and do things (for the lack of which UAC has been implemented; albeit badly and needs some time to mature).

Yes windows has the ability to run a program as another user .

Here's the command to do that:

runas /user:{User Name} {Command}

Example: runas /user:Administrator notepad

Originally Posted by gary4gar

who knows what amount of code in these close sourced programs is stolen from open source arena.

These File System Permissions were originally part of UNIX(A Closed Source OS) , their functinoality was implemented by GNU/FSF to make OpenSource UNIX-Like Utilities .

Microsoft has implemented the same concept(of UNIX) in their own way . These concepts were developed by the creators of UNIX and not OpenSource Foundations .

Infact , Microsoft itself Licensed UNIX from AT&T in 1970s and Developed XENIX , soon XENIX was the most-popular UNIX Variant deployed in the Market !

[drgrudge]

Wow. You guys can take a simple TP thread into flame wars and fights.

MS has copied way too many stuffs from OS X. The best part is they've given their developers a copy of Tiger and asked to copy it, which they failed misserabally. Expect Leopard features in Windows 7.

Originally Posted by Zeeshan Quireshi

Similarly 99% of linux Newbies don't know about Linux File-System Permissions and won't get to the command-line to modify file permissions.

I'm sure it'll be more than the number of Windows users setting permissions. From what I see *nix users are better informed than their windows counterparts. They might be using *nix out of choice and not something impounded on them.