Piracy ratio low in India compared to other countries

[desiibond]

^^^^you can even make God use pirated software [no offense]

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by desiibond

If someone's using some service like free internet on mobile, does that mean that they are bankrupt?

Originally Posted by desiibond

Should be the same with software. Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

Doesn't it suggest the same?

I use GNU/Linux. So as per your post I can't buy Vista. I can't even buy XP. Hence, I'm forced to use Linux!

Originally Posted by desiibond

It's a shame on you that you term yourself as linux user. It's people like you that encourage piracy.

Piracy means nothing for you. But, tomorrow when you develop a revolutionary software and put it on sale and there are 10 copies sold and 1000 copies copied illegally, you will come to know the pain of illegal use of software. Then you will be the first one to say NO to piracy. LOSER!!!!

Plz mind your language and evaluate someone properly before making allegations.

Originally Posted by desiibond

The post that you highlighted is meant to show alternate s/w. If you think that it means linux users are bankrupt, huh, what can I say?? There is no double meaning nikalo inam jeeto contest here. So, think positive.

The way you put it suggested otherwise. Not just to me, but to other Linux users and you can see that for yourself. So when you post something, make it clear. Improperly chosen words may totally alter the meaning.

I'm still waiting to know the credibility and the method used to know the piracy rate in various countries, as posted by the thread starter.

[adithya_s]

see.. according to me.. anything above 60 % piracy is't good provided that the price of the software is high...
ya for example windows.. 70-80 % of us use pirated right?
the price of win xp is 5k lets say...
if they reduce the price to say 400 bucks 70- 80 percent will buy windows atleast(leave other softwares aside)

and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...

and this is my another view.. piracy can be complete eradicated
but software companies dont want to..
lets take microsoft, price of win xp is 5k lets say, and they will completly secure it ( say if it cant be pirated at all....)
only 10-20 percent will use windows.. rest will use linux.. there by windows loses its popularity.. as simple as that...

[infra_red_dude]

^^^ Yes and as a matter of fact companies will not let piracy die! A person working in the IT dept. of a company downloads and uses Office 2007 (pirated of corz); makes it his daily use software. Now he's so used to it that he can't do with it. He persuades the purchase committee of his company to buy 20 copies of Office 2007 for his office. So how much as the company lost actually? 20 original copies - 1 pirated = 19 original! So thats huge profit for them.

Why don't companies conduct raids in small shops and homes? Simple, for this reason. They know for every pirated copy a home user uses, some or the otherway it leads to profit for them. Net result is that they actually end up earning (most of the times, considering big companies).

[praka123]

Originally Posted by adithya s

and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...

Free Open Source model is a evolving model and it is based on different licenses which preserves the rights to make sure the code is available for modification for the enduser.imho nothing wrong in that.with FOSS,the knowledge is shared unlike closed source model with software patenting.if open source is so against software devels,then why do companies like redhat,novell,tivo etc employs s/w engineers and are running in good profit?the current successful model is subscription model where by the bugfixes and extra features can be subscribed from the company.

with LAMP etc,even any individual can make money with FOSS.
http://follars.com

and last but not least,GNU/Linux is not an "alternate" windows for someone who cannot afford!it is indeed a different,completely different Operating System similar to UNIX and superior too
Linux is NOT Windows:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

[mehulved]

Originally Posted by adithya_s

and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...

Please go and read on Open Source. The whole definition of Open Source goes against your assumptions. In fact the term open source was coined so that people don't make mistakes like this.
Show me one place where it is mentioned that open source apps have to be free of cost. If you do I will stop posting in this forum forever and even stop using anything open source.
And show me one big open source project where there's a lone developer. In fact many a times there's a team of core developers, who are hired and paid by big companies like Red Hat, Novell, IBM, Sun Microsystems.
Also, when you buy softwares from MS, Apple, etc you are draining our countries money to the vendors outside India. Even if the whole application was developed by an Indian, he'll get a tiny fraction of the money from those corporates. On the other hand Open Source is more likely to get more money by making the developers within the country active.

[gulgulumaal]

Originally Posted by desiibond

huh. hat's off for showing the truth.

There is a saying "Billi jab ghar mein ghus ke doodh peeti hai to aankhein bandh karti hai aur sochti hai ki koi nahih dekh rahan hai...". Who knows, tomorrow, police might come to your house and arrest for illegal use of software. Think of the humiliation that comes after that.

If you ever make great software, it's these original s/w users that take your company upwards.

Imagine what would have happened if Micrososft's software was pirated right from the very first version by everyone across the globe. It would have shutdown by now.

What a gross thinking of truth.

Yeah..the truth may be gross for you
But the fact is that it is the truth. That if circumstances continue as they are, piracy will just continue unabated.

BTW note that I never said piracy is right (or wrong). I was just saying why piracy happens and why it wont stop.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by mehulved

Please go and read on Open Source. The whole definition of Open Source goes against your assumptions. In fact the term open source was coined so that people don't make mistakes like this.
Show me one place where it is mentioned that open source apps have to be free of cost. If you do I will stop posting in this forum forever and even stop using anything open source.
And show me one big open source project where there's a lone developer. In fact many a times there's a team of core developers, who are hired and paid by big companies like Red Hat, Novell, IBM, Sun Microsystems.
Also, when you buy softwares from MS, Apple, etc you are draining our countries money to the vendors outside India. Even if the whole application was developed by an Indian, he'll get a tiny fraction of the money from those corporates. On the other hand Open Source is more likely to get more money by making the developers within the country active.

Yes.
there is lot of difference between open source application and free application.

RHEL series is open source but is not free.
pidgin, gnu utils are open source and free.

You get support from the vendor by paying for the software and the price of these open source softwares is substantially lower than that of many leading softwares

[NucleusKore]

This is a classic chicken and egg situation. If the computing masses of India adopted some version of linux, companies like Yahoo, Google, and I daresay eventually even MSN will be forced to provide Linux versions of their software like instant messaging. As there isn't a large user base to justify development, or so they argue, they do not show much interest in porting their applications to Linux. This is why I think people who use Linux should make a push for the numbers, and as was pointed out in one thread , talk about Linux strengths and not a MS vs Linux comparison, after all we're not really trying to sell anything for money. A gradual shift from Windows to linux will slowly kill the piracy. There always will be those who would pay for a Microsoft product, just as there would be those who choose to go the Open Source OS way.

This is why I am still the advocate of the dual boot model where linux is used for internet browsing and most of the work, and windows (preferably licensed) reserved for gaming and other programs that cannot be run on Linux.

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

A gradual shift from Windows to linux will slowly kill the piracy.

Need not be true always. Look what MS did to IE! Removed WGA... So unless the company wants it piracy will not die!

[NucleusKore]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

Need not be true always. Look what MS did to IE! Removed WGA... So unless the company wants it piracy will not die!

Point noted