Microsoft's Desperate attempts too woo away Linux users!

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Check out this image guys, I found it while doing a google search last night.






Doing business and taking away market share is one thing but putting hands into anothers territory and them blame them for copyrights violation is another thing!

These are for those guys who still think that Microsoft does business Ethically!!

What more can you call this than desperate attempts to woo away prospective customers from Linux and they are even willing to pay prices and do it publicly! lolz... heights of unethicalness

Perfectly matched keywords and disguising title though

[praka123]

These are for those guys who still think that Microsoft does business Ethically!!
^well,Vista boys cant digest these all things.after all for pirated win users,does ethics hold any value? get a life,use Linux,M$ window user though it is completely ur choice!

[aditya.shevade]

Why do we even bother.....

[din]

I think its more funny !!!!

Comparing Lin server and Win server

If they compare desktop (that also not true considering Ubuntu etc), theres some logic atleast ! but this is too much !!

[iMav]

have a look at these too:





OMG they are so desparate .... now google adv MS on linux pages is also MS fault and dont say MS and google had a back door hand shake for this

[din]

Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus

Perfectly matched keywords and disguising title though

LOL, thats more funny, now only I noticed that.

Reminds me of the 'famous' guy who went inside mac forums and started bashing mac !!!!

[adithyagenius]

how is this unethical?
advertising is unethical?

[kumarmohit]

Oww common! What is wrong with advertising!

Its not that anyone who runs advertisements becomes a bad one. In that case, Google would be the most rotten thing. It is based on Advertising!

[din]

I do not think it is unethical at all.

But I think it is really funny !!

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by iMav

have a look at these too:
OMG they are so desparate .... now google adv MS on linux pages is also MS fault and dont say MS and google had a back door hand shake for this

lol.. dude, you don't get it do you? Did you notice what Microsoft's Advert Headline is? It's Linux Versions!
Now, if you're trying to compare that with what your search tries to prove, Niether have chevrolet said in their heading 'get a honda car here' nor have sonyericsson said, 'get an iPhone here'! Make sure you're not drunk the next time you're making such comparisons.

@iMeov, your comparison is way off, as stated above, they are in no way a disguise to get into another's market unlike what MS has done here.

It's quite similar the way fake brands that exist in the market, where you will get a 'Rebok' shoes for 10 times the lesser price of an original 'Reebok' shoes. This is how anybody tries to push their products into someone else's existing genuine market! Similarly the MS AD is trying to disguise itself into the existing Linux Market!

For those who don't understand how advertising works, I'll give you and example, when ever you see the advert of say a cold drink or a face cream or whatever. How many times have you realised that they don't show another brand in a bad light? Have you noticed that the cream the girl with all the pimples will be using will have no name on it, it will be a blank Dabba! And also the guy who drinks some crap in a pepsi or a coca cola AD won't be drinking fanta or sprite, he'll be drinking something with no name on it or something that doesn't exist in the market! If you try to sell sprite by showing that 7up sucks, then you're going to have a big lawsuit in your hands! These are basic advertising rules!

You cannot ride on the back of another company's product to make your product famous! You cannot make fun or coca cola to sell pepsi. You cannot show fair and lovely in a bad light to sell your Dove cream! Similarly, you cannot use a name that you don't own to advertise your product or compare another in bad light in your AD! As simple as that, for those idiots who want to come back argue about this, keep doing it coz you're one in them.

For those who know what ethics of advertising are would certainly agree.

[iMav]

^^ the thing was that MS had a page where they had compared windows & linux server editions i think (as seen from this post snip) and that page link being shown with that header is not MS

if u see closely the hig-light is versions which was a keyword used in the search criteria and the MS page had the wor version along with linux so it wasnt MS doing anything this just happened because of the keywords used please try and understand the technicalities rather than blatnatly accusing MS for everything

MS had a page where they compared the linux and windows version and the existence of this page has been well known in the tech community

the links that are shown the sponsored 1s are done according to google's algorithm and they keep on changing randomly

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by iMav

^^ the thing was that MS had a page where they had compared windows & linux server editions i think (as seen from this post snip) and that page link being shown with that header is not MS

if u see closely the hig-light is versions which was a keyword used in the search criteria and the MS page had the wor version along with linux so it wasnt MS doing anything this just happened because of the keywords used please try and understand the technicalities rather than blatnatly accusing MS for everything

MS had a page where they compared the linux and windows version and the existence of this page has been well known in the tech community

the links that are shown the sponsored 1s are done according to google's algorithm and they keep on changing randomly

lol.. this is why I was mentioning that you don't know what you're speaking about!

Dude, do you realise that it's a google ADWORD advertisement and not a random search! Google Adwords dont' pull up any page headers like your fantastic brain says! Google Adwords display exactly only what the person who puts up the advert mentions!

So, stop this cr@p about technical issues. Adwords doesn't work on page headers and crap! What the Advertiser puts up is what you see! So, the Heading 'Linux Versions' is not a coincidense but the Heading that was given to the Advert by the Advertising client! Go Learn some basics before you argue about things you have no idea about!

Besides, I never said, having a page comparing any product is wrong, it's the "Comarison in the Advertisement" that is wrong. If you go to a pepsi plant, they'll always compare it with other existing products! No one is bothered about what is generally discussed. It's about what is advertised!

[MetalheadGautham]

they are not desprate. they are just liars. lying ɓ@ʂʈ@ɹɖʂ. who says windows is more reliable and secure than linux?
luckily, server buyers are not OS n00bs to buy windows

Micro$oft is just wasting money in ads. lets click on the ad atleast once guys

[mediator]

Originally Posted by din

LOL, thats more funny, now only I noticed that.

Reminds me of the 'famous' guy who went inside mac forums and started bashing mac !!!!

I wud luv to see our musketeer friends doing that and creating chaos there.

[iMav]

dude so are u saying that using linux as a keyword for a page where linux versions and Windows is compared is wrong i know about ad words .... and the sponsored results are random - thats what iv been told by google when i signed up for my companies advrts

it is that page was existing and so they used as keywords ... companies use such keywords its not only MS as iv already pointed out with good effect

this would have been accepted in the context u were saying considering if the result page would re-direct to windows server page however it was directing to a page where both the windows and linux versions are compared so the use of the keyboard is justified as done by honda & SE

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

they are not desprate. they are just liars. lying ɓ@ʂʈ@ɹɖʂ. who says windows is more reliable and secure than linux?
luckily, server buyers are not OS n00bs to buy windows

Micro$oft is just wasting money in ads. lets click on the ad atleast once guys

Wait till you see the Google Adsense Advertisement about "The Highly reliable Times"

Originally Posted by iMav

dude so are u saying that using linux as a keyword for a page where linux versions and Windows is compared is wrong i know about ad words .... and the sponsored results are random - thats what iv been told by google when i signed up for my companies advrts

it is that page was existing and so they used as keywords ... companies use keywords its not only MS as iv already pointed out with good effect

@iMeov, you still dont' understand Dude!

It's not random Keywords! The heading of the Advert is not a random collection of keywords from the page that it's pointing to. Get it inside your head! The Heading is what exactly the advertising client put up. If you put an Adword, they ask you to make a heading for your Adword and whatever heading you put is what you see when the Ad is displayed!

So, now stop hiding being nonsence like technical barriers and random keywords!!

Originally Posted by iMav

this would have been accepted in the context u were saying considering if the result page would re-direct to windows server page however it was directing to a page where both the windows and linux versions are compared so the use of the keyboard is justified as done by honda & SE

I'm telling you again, get this into your peanut sized brain

all results are shown by keywords but the heading is not a collection of random Keywords!

Nor Chevrolet nor SE has told in their heading anything to do with honda or iPhone! I hope this will be last time I explain this simple concept to you!

Originally Posted by iMav

please read the first line of my post again and agian

You need to read again and again what I wrote for sense to get into your brain and understand how google Adwords work!

[iMav]

please read the first line of my post again and agian

[MetalheadGautham]

I know M$ paid for that ad, but google has nothing against linux. most of the google guys know about linux, and their servers too run LAMP(linux-apache-mySQL-PHP). they used customised distros like goobuntu running with google-only file systems like GFS that are zillions of times better than windows NTFS

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

I know M$ paid for that ad, but google has nothing against linux. most of the google guys know about linux, and their servers too run LAMP(linux-apache-mySQL-PHP). they used customised distros like goobuntu running with google-only file systems like GFS that are zillions of times better than windows NTFS

I don't know if it's directed to me but I never said google has anything to do with it. It's just advertising what clients are paying for. The problem is the @iMeov is very confused about how Adwords work. He thinks that the title of the advert displayed is just a buch of random keywords from the header of the page when he doesn't realise that those 2 words 'Linux' and 'versions' is the only title of that advert which is typed in by MS(or who ever put it there) and not a random coincidence.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus

I don't know if it's directed to me but I never said google has anything to do with it. It's just advertising what clients are paying for. The problem is the @iMeov is very confused about how Adwords work. He thinks that the title of the advert displayed is just a buch of random keywords from the header of the page when he doesn't realise that those 2 words 'Linux' and 'versions' is the only title of that advert which is typed in by MS(or who ever put it there) and not a random coincidence.

affirmative and confirmed...

[iMav]

They are random

here are 3 different search results of the same phrase the 1 u used -










as u see the sponsored links are random - as i said iv been in talks with google for keyword based advrt for my company so please as i have told u earlier keep ur FUD for ur kids and not for us

and i find nothing wrong in MS choosing linux as a keyword for a page where they are talking about linux maybe u do

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

I know M$ paid for that ad, but google has nothing against linux.

its under sponsored so isnt it obvious

[shantanu]

ads are different and a proper OS is different, Linux maintains its positions, so does windows. the only thing is that in a business the management and PR and other ways of pushing your product are undertaken. i read many times in PCworld, PC quest or chip or maybe digit too.. Linux server are better.. this is how.. and many company CEOs state that as true.. so what is the sense.. ! does it make lin servers better.. or when Microsoft gives such ads, would it make M$ servers better.. i dont think so.

the only thing is the utility, where you can imply M$ and where lin.. its on your usage and your demand.

when guys come to complete bashing without even confirming the current stats and real life proofs, it becomes BS. so guys keep on facts and dont just go for windows to be bad.

to the guy stating NTFS as bad : what you know about NTFS.. ?
and a fact is that : NTFS is used by million or trillions of comp. users , where is google file system used ? only in google .. is that a joke ? how can you even compare a filesystem so unpopular and only for google servers to a vast and updated or day by day updating file system.

the only thing i want to say is that keep yourself on track and stick to facts rather than start basing only seeing windows as title.

and metalheadgautam: you can be banned for spamming the forums by these statements.. read forum rules.. affirmation post is not allowed.. if you something relavent to say then its ok, else dont type unnecessary..

[infra_red_dude]

Hmmm... This does say in loud that MS is now very very concerned about their market share in almost every segment of users!!

Originally Posted by shantanu

to the guy stating NTFS as bad : what you know about NTFS.. ?
and a fact is that : NTFS is used by million or trillions of comp. users , where is google file system used ? only in google .. is that a joke ? how can you even compare a filesystem so unpopular and only for google servers to a vast and updated or day by day updating file system.

Poplularity of any entity doesn't make it better or worse than unpopular ones

[kumarmohit]

^^Yes, but to be better they have to come in comparison on the same grounds which has not yet happened in Google FS and NTFS.

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by shantanu

ads are different and a proper OS is different, Linux maintains its positions, so does wind
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.or spamming the forums by these statements.. read forum rules.. affirmation post is not allowed.. if you something relavent to say then its ok, else dont type unnecessary..

I nor anyone said that this proves or makes any product superior or inferior to anything. The discussion so far I believe has only been about advertising ethics. That's all... and I hope everyone just keeps it to that..

BTW, I don't understand why any comments in the chit chat section would be considered as spam.. unless it's offensive.. I thought the section was about bandwidth wastage

Originally Posted by iMav

They are random

here are 3 different search results of the same phrase the 1 u used -

as u see the sponsored links are random - as i said iv been in talks with google for keyword based advrt for my company so please as i have told u earlier keep ur FUD for ur kids and not for us

and i find nothing wrong in MS choosing linux as a keyword for a page where they are talking about linux maybe u do

its under sponsored so isnt it obvious

Forget it dude, seems like you got a Vista UAC prompt in your brain which is not letting you write information onto your brain at all and only read operation is being performed and also can't remember what you yourself told...

First you say that the heading 'Linux Version' is from the headers of the page which was cr@p and then when you ate your own words you started telling that the sponsored links are random, which doesn't matter when we are talking about the heading to disguise penetration into the market. So stop your technicality issues and go learn some basic adwords posting techniques or atleast learn to stick to the point when we are talking about the advertisement in question and not about search results!!

I think you should go back to post #10 and read it carefully again and if you still want to argue, I'll just believe that the last line in the second last para holds true.

BTW, I wonder why I keep getting the same sponsored links for the same keyword search Anyways, that has nothing to do with the actual advertisement in question.

[iMav]

Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus

First you say that the heading 'Linux Version' is from the headers of the page which was cr@p and then when you ate your own words you started telling that the sponsored links are random,

ah so here is the mis-communication i didnt mean it that way what i meant was that version is the keyword picked up by google - as in MS mustv given linux versions and the forthcoming versions word was what brought that sponsored link again its Google's algo and not MS

Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus

which doesn't matter when we are talking about the heading to disguise penetration into the market. So stop your technicality issues and go learn some basic adwords posting techniques or atleast learn to stick to the point when we are talking about the advertisement in question and not about search results!!

again my friend the ad is only directing to a page where what is posted is about linux and is compared to windows

[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by iMav

....friend the ad is only directing to a page where what is posted is about linux and is compared to windows

If I get it right, then this is exactly what he wants to say. He'd given a good example regarding soft drinks. Whats happenins is this:

I search for "Coca Cola", the Ad on the right says "Coca Cola versions". When I click on it, I go to a page on Pepsi's Website which compares Coca Cola and Pepsi and says Pepsi is better than Coca Cola. Hope I understood it correctly! If so then this is surely wrong!

[iMav]

arre mere tau pichle page pe screen shots diye hain maine .... honda ki search pe chevrolet; iphone ki search pe SE companies do that what is wrong in showing a page where ur comparing ur product with another 1 its google's algo mere baap google's algo

if MS would have wanted to put their ads on Linux search results i wonder why is it not appearing when i search for linux

ok try this remnove the word versions from ur search criteria and see what happens

[infra_red_dude]

^^^ You do not seem to comprehend what I said.

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

If I get it right, then this is exactly what he wants to say. He'd given a good example regarding soft drinks. Whats happenins is this:

I search for "Coca Cola", the Ad on the right says "Coca Cola versions". When I click on it, I go to a page on Pepsi's Website which compares Coca Cola and Pepsi and says Pepsi is better than Coca Cola. Hope I understood it correctly! If so then this is surely wrong!

Exactly what I meant.

There is nothing wrong in comparing, but when that is what is advertised inside another market is where the problem is. There is enough comparison between products, but when have you ever seen an advertisement using another products name inorder to pull users into it. You don't because that is the basic ethics of advertising.

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

^^^ You do not seem to comprehend what I said.

Forget it yaar, he's still got the UAC prompt which i was talking about

He's still talking about how search results work on keywords when we are talking about the particular advert