7 Reasons Why Microsoft is Doomed!

[chesss]

oh sleepy mods how abt waking and closing this lame thread?

[Help~Is~Here]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

oooooo...I so wanna kick HiH arse for his lame claim of Non-Existant Vista upgrades

Must resist kicking the arse of ignorant fanboys

you were lame enough in showing an inter-package upgrade, not an inter-OS upgrade that I was talking about.. maybe you need to kick yourself.

Originally Posted by iMav

ya no upgrade options and 98 should support dx 10 ... hell why only dx 10 t shud also support dx 10.1 ... aint i right HiH

Are you even reading what I'm writing? did you even try doing a google on Alky Project? Don't be lame enough in trying to push your assumptions into peoples brains.

And please don't get me started on the emergence of Dx10.1 and me needing to get a new card even before 3 months since I got it for it to work at the best!!

[iMav]

well i was thinking HiH why is dx 10 only to vista it shud also be ported back to win 3.1 also ...

ya ur right y did ms make us upgrade to even win 95 ... ... damn dx 10 and vista dx 10 should work on win 95 and win 3.1 ... bill gates are u listening ... ppl want dx 10 on 98 i say y only 98 it shud be on 3.1 also

[gxsaurav]

Are you even reading what I'm writing? did you even try doing a google on Alky Project?

Plz read the conversation between me & IRD on the previous page about this Porject first.

And please don't get me started on the emergence of Dx10.1 and me needing to get a new card even before 3 months since I got it for it to work at the best

Where did u got the info that DirectX 10.1 needs a new graphics card?

[shantanu]

Originally Posted by chesss

oh sleepy mods how abt waking and closing this lame thread?

really dude ? ever read the whole thread and ma warnings..

these guys are hardcore flamers.. and they wont listen.. after all i cant ban all of them.. and this thread.. close.. i wont atleast i wont.. if any other mod wants he can ..

[Help~Is~Here]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Where did u got the info that DirectX 10.1 needs a new graphics card?

It requires a new graphics card to run at it's full potential, it is only "compatible" with existing DX10 cards, are you sleeping man?
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=6824&Itemid=2

Originally Posted by iMav

prakash im still awaitng an answer to my question on who is a monopoly

Maybe a lot of history lessons are needed here

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-232565.html
http://money.cnn.com/1999/11/05/tech...osoft_finding/

Anyways, it's quite Microsoftian to forget the past.. nothing to worry..
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[iMav]

ya ur right ms ms is still a monopoly else they shud back port dx 10.1 to win 3.1

[The_Devil_Himself]

ALl they are trying to say iMav is that by making DX10 exclusive to vista M$ people are forcing people to upgrade from XP to VISTA.If it was not for DX10 vista would not have sold 10% of what it is selling now.Thats why they made it vista exclusive.

BTW the thread is going great with all the good views and still better counter-views.

[Help~Is~Here]

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

ALl they are trying to say iMav is that by making DX10 exclusive to vista M$ people are forcing people to upgrade from XP to VISTA.If it was not for DX10 vista would not have sold 10% of what it is selling now.Thats why they made it vista exclusive.

BTW the thread is going great with all the good views and still better counter-views.

No man, he's not going to understand that point ever, keeps nagging onto that single liner with nothing better to say and keeps flaming..

[iMav]

devil ... listen to ur advocate .... it was not possible to back port dx 10 to xp and have optimumb performance coz it would mean re-wrting a lot of xp code and in a sense u can consider vista to be that re-writing of major part of xp code

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

ALl they are trying to say iMav is that by making DX10 exclusive to vista M$ people are forcing people to upgrade from XP to VISTA.If it was not for DX10 vista would not have sold 10% of what it is selling now.Thats why they made it vista exclusive.

Do you have a problem in understanding technical aspects of OS? Do u know how an OS works & why can't DX 10 be back ported to XP?

Enough of explaining, no matter how much I try to teach something, idiots can't listen & read the explanation at last page.

It requires a new graphics card to run at it's full potential, it is only "compatible" with existing DX10 cards,

R U a DirectX developer? no seriously if u r have a look at the SDK & what will DX 10.1 bring to table. 99.9999999999% Features of DX 10.1 are same with DX 10. The only change is in efficiency & how work is done. There is no quality difference between DX 10 & DX 10.1, its only how the code is executed bringing more efficiency

[The_Devil_Himself]

OMG iMav wont let me become a pope..lols

Ok you are saying that M$ developed DX10 then they realized that DX10 can't be implemented in XP so they made windows VISTA.And since nobody would have purchased just XP+DX10 support so they also added some eyecandy.Is this what are you trying to say?

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Do you have a problem in understanding technical aspects of OS? Do u know how an OS works & why can't DX 10 be back ported to XP?

Seriously I am finding it hard to understand why can't Dx10 be implemented in XP inspite of having good knowledge of how a OS work.

And please man don't call me an idiot only because I don't support you views.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Seriously I am finding it hard to understand why can't Dx10 be implemented in XP inspite of having good knowledge of how a OS work.

I can't explain anything to u, I give up, is it very hard to read the last page where I mentioned why DX 10 cannot be ported to XP.

No matter how much I try to polish a turd, it will remain a turd.

Hindi main - bhains ke aage jitni bhi been bajao....woh bhains hi rahta hai

"Woops, not supposed to say here"

[Help~Is~Here]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Do you have a problem in understanding technical aspects of OS? Do u know how an OS works & why can't DX 10 be back ported to XP?

Enough of explaining, no matter how much I try to teach something, idiots can't listen & read the explanation at last page.

This is the problem, considering yourself as a genius and everyone else idiots.. when will you learn gx?

Enough of your so called genius explanation! Read this:

Many gamers have been upset that the latest version of Microsoft's DirectX software and drivers, DirectX10, requires Windows Vista in order to run. Microsoft has argued that because DirectX10 was such a massive redesign of the overall driver model, it was not possible to retrofit it to run on Windows XP. One of the arguments supporting this was the fact that DirectX10 required graphics memory to be virtualizable—that is, swappable for system RAM if the on-board video card RAM became full.

However, NVIDIA has had difficulty making virtualization work on their Vista graphics drivers, so Microsoft has now made GPU virtualization optional for DX10. Charlie Demerjian over at the Inquirer is arguing that this means there is no valid technical reason why DirectX10 couldn't be back-ported to Windows XP.

Of course, there was never a reason that implementing DirectX10 on XP was technically impossible, just that Microsoft felt that the engineering and testing effort to retrofit the new driver model to the old operating system was more than the company was willing to expend, particularly as DirectX10 was touted as one of the major benefits of upgrading to Windows Vista. However, the PC gaming market has been slow to embrace Vista and so Microsoft may have to reconsider this decision in the future.

Source: Here

Hmmm.. I'm sure you'll have another one of your twisted explanations for this.

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

R U a DirectX developer? no seriously if u r have a look at the SDK & what will DX 10.1 bring to table. 99.9999999999% Features of DX 10.1 are same with DX 10. The only change is in efficiency & how work is done. There is no quality difference between DX 10 & DX 10.1, its only how the code is executed bringing more efficiency

Then why upgrade to 10.1??? Then why even 10.1 let alone upgrade??

See, you're digging your own grave by proving what we have been saying all along!! forced upgrades from MS has been and will be useless!! When will you learn kiddo?

Face it, you are just ProMS and can't digest the growth of Open Source software and will defend MS with everything... hmm.. I wonder why..
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[infra_red_dude]

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

OMG iMav wont let me become a pope..lols

Ok you are saying that M$ developed DX10 then they realized that DX10 can't be implemented in XP so they made windows VISTA.And since nobody would have purchased just XP+DX10 support so they also added some eyecandy.Is this what are you trying to say?

in a way yes! coz to the common man, this is all that matters!

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Plz read the conversation between me & IRD on the previous page about this Porject first.

yep, its not that MS can't backport dx10 to XP; its that they DON'T want to! and since MS is out there to do business, i don't think anything is wrong with that. from a business point of view, i support this. from a customer's point of view i don't.

but then thats one of the reasons why MS may lost out. ppl will not like to use forced software. they will look for alternatives when forced (i'm NOT talking about DX and games here as everyone knows this is where MS rules the roost!)

[iMav]

HiH be prepared for a good know how on how dx actually works

[gxsaurav]

DX 10.1 is a free software upgrade with Vista SP1. Where do u see Microsoft forcing it?

DX 10.1 is there cos it brings more efficiency. U do know about how softwares works. don't u?

[shantanu]

thread will remain open till any other mods or admins closes it.. and Please dont pm me regarding this thread.. because members think i was biased with my decision..

[praka123]

nice!let the thread be open.just have a closed eye on this thread and any other M$ related thread too.the "other" side cant tolerate and feel biased.


reg DX10.1,do u pro-ms ppl justify that it is a gr8 update
now how nvidia&amd will come with 8800++ edition for the gfx cards and again upgradation and all are justified under the name of M$.
^now this is wht they can do as a monopoly

[infra_red_dude]

thanks for reopening the thread, shan

guys, plz no flaming... let everyone show respect for every other member and let there be a healthy discussion

[gxsaurav]

reg DX10.1,do u pro-ms ppl justify that it is a gr8 update

Yup, it bring more efficiency to the code resulting in more work to be done with less clock cycles of the GPU & RAM usage. This will result in significant boost in battery lifes of laptops cos now with DX 10 u can render a comples scene with less overhead.

now how nvidia&amd will come with 8800++ edition for the gfx cards and again upgradation and all are justified under the name of M$.

Lolz...why r u blaming MS if nVidia & AMD are coming up with new power efficient graphics cards?

I repeat, DirectX 10.1 doesn't necessarily needs a new graphics card. It is just a software update like monthly updates to DirectX 9, you can continue to run all the games & features of DX 10.1 on your current DX 10 graphics card.

Uncle...plz fix your spacebar key running in Linux , I know its not compatible but atleast look for or make your own drivers

[praka123]

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Junior,My kbd is working fine.seems ur vista ulti-mate is not fairing well with beta drivers.

reg DirectX and other technologies as recent as ooxml against ODF format are all what Microsoft wants users to be locked without choices.
my point is very well pointed out in below post(for new users

Microsoft has been scanning the horizon to ensure that no one begins to kick at the blocks that prop up their monopoly. They are constantly looking for new ways to create more blocks. Some of these blocks are directx, drm, application/windows APIs, network interoperability (or the lack thereof), WGA/WGN lie, FUD, patents. Writing for OpenGL means you are writing for multiple platforms which gives a greater overall share.

Another new block is DRM. Yes they have had DRM in their product in one fashion or another for decades--copy protection on software back in the 80s, activation keys in the 90s. The WGN/WGA lie in the 00's is a psychological game meant to make the consumer less in control but to give them a feeling they are being protected. They are essentially forcing the consumer to allow Microsoft to spy on them under the guise of protecting the consumer from organized pirating--this is the fundamental lie. The average consumer is already covered because they generally purchase from the likes of Dell, Gateway, etc. Only a small percentage of sales are from systems integrators and the odds of getting one that is dishonest is even more minuscule. Today it is the essential arm-twisting/drafting of the hardware manufacturers to comply with their draconian DRM/CRM procedures.

Their APIs, not just DirectX, are also locking blocks, that block you from other platform development. Most companies don't have the time to learn multiple platform APIs in order to develop software. Apple recognized this (well NeXt computers did) when they were creating their development tools. Another block they use today are patents. Microsoft is not making a patent portfolio to protect itself, it is making it to prop up the monopoly and to attack competitors such as Linux. Software APIs for productivity applications aren't the barrier they once were. You can see that they will, over time, become less and less important as more and more programs build up for the competitor's platform. Since that form is diminishing there must be other ways for Microsoft to lock you into their platform. Gaming is a key API that they can change regularly. If they can keep changing the gaming API regularly then no entity can conceivably create a 100% compatible layer for other platforms. That's another reason why it is just silly to have game developers writing for directx instead of for OpenGL.

Networking interoperability is another key block that Microsoft uses to block migration from Windows to other platforms. If the interoperability is difficult or impossible even over the short term, large, medium, and small companies will very likely decline migration to Linux (or even OSX).

Patents and FUD seem to go hand in hand. Microsoft knows that if they say enough negative about Linux and threaten enough that migration will be slowed. If they create enough of a patent portfolio that will also slow development as competitors are constantly attempting to figure out what they can legally do and what they can't. DRM is similar in that it can't be copied and used in competitors platforms. The DMCA destroys all hope of that, at least if the user wants to stay 100% legal.

I don't know what the current installed base of Linux is and I'm sure most developers don't either. My estimate is that it is somewhere between 10 and 50 million computers.

When you use all of these together, including FUD and attempting to hide the sheer number of Linux (or any competitors true numbers) you can see how strong these blocks are. It only takes companies and individuals to start knocking more of these blocks out faster to bring down the monopoly. It isn't just having a product or even advertising your product or even giving it away for free. It is in ensuring that the right technologies are used and that enough blocks are kicked out that are supporting that monopoly.

Microsoft is scared shitless over this. They have huge monetary investments that rely on their Windows monopoly to fund them. Microsoft has no intention of getting rid of DRM. They only want to make it so that their major competitor in the arena of music is chopped down. Apple hold the market with the iPod and iTunes because of that DRM and if Microsoft can get everyone buying their products instead of Apple's knowing that they aren't locked in Microsoft can exert much greater advertising in order to overcome Apple's lead--not necessarily overnight but in much shorter order. Everyone knows DRM is a locking mechanism. You have an iPod you are stuck with it if you purchase music from Apple's store. That's a great thing for Apple. It is a highly negative thing for Microsoft. Once Microsoft takes over the digital music market then DRM will be back, in some devious way, a way they are planning for right now.

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.p...d&cid=18696149

^^^ this is nothing to anger M$ locked ppl.just a splash of water on the face.that's all.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by praka123

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Junior,My kbd is working fine.seems ur vista ulti-mate is not fairing well with beta drivers.

Nah,,all drivers I m using are final

DirectX and other technologies as recent as ooxml against ODF format are all what Microsoft wants users to be locked without choices.

Ok tell me something clearly now, What do u mean by limiting choices?

Is MS stopping developers from making & running OpenGL games for Windows?

Is MS stopping users from running OSS application like Firefox on Windows?

Is MS forcing users to upgrade hardware? If they don't wanna upgrade, then don't. Its not like u don't upgrade hardware to run Linux.

Game developers prefer making games for Windows because it is easier to make games for Windows in DirectX compared to OpenGL & doesn't need any developer side optimisation.

Why shouldn't MS develop DirectX 10.1? Is it wrong to further develop technology, provide new features.?

If OOXML is not an ISO standard then who is at a loss here? Microsoft or OSS? MS Office is the de-facto standard for office out there. People won't bother downloading & saving in ODF cos they don't know whether ODF file is supported at the computer of the guy they are mailing it to. But they know that .Doc is supported there too....so why would they save in ODF? 98% office users out there won't save in ODF cos well...they don't know whether ODF will open somewhere else or not. They will continue to use & save in MS Office format.

Now, if OOXML is not an open standard then who is at loss here? Its OpenOffice.org & other such products. If OOXML becomes an ISO standard that means its an open standard which anyone product can incorporate in it, even OpenOffice can natively support OOXML if it is a open standard by ISO. But since it is not, they can't support it properly.

What does this means? People will continue to use & save in MS office format cos that is the most widely used format out there, while Linux etc will fail to be compatible with this format resulting it people shifting away from OpenOffice etc.

iMav, I m leaving this thread. There is no point discussing & telling them anything because they don't know how to do a group discussion logically. If they think they are right then even if they are not, they can't change there mindset.

[nirjhar]

it is not so easy.I think you are wrong ,still Xp is most populer than other.
Vista is not.Now Microsoft is coming with new friendly feathers.you just wait and see.

[Liverpool_fan]

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Nice BUMP!!!

[abhijangda]

East or West Linux is the best. By Linux i mean Fedora, i m also an anti-microsoft. I also think that they will fall as most of the public organisations has started using linux instead of windows.

[thewisecrab]

Originally Posted by abhijangda

East or West Linux is the best. By Linux i mean Fedora, i m also an anti-microsoft. I also think that they will fall as most of the public organisations has started using linux instead of windows.

Its a 2 year old Thread