Why doesn't IE do CSS?

chandru.in · 30-11-2008, 02:08 AM

Is MS killing CSS on IE juts to ensure that standards based web design will always remain difficult and people will choose Silverlight or is it because they never really understood how to render CSS?

Being a web developer I'm having to suffer every single day thanks to IE. Developing a web app and making it render as I wish is dead simple on every single browser (including FF, Opera, Chrome and Safari). But after that several minutes and sometimes even hours have to be spent to find workarounds for IE's half arsed rendering brain.

I had to suffer one such situation recently. Something as simple as this is not supported on IE (not even in IE 7). WTF is it so?

Code:

<html>
    <head>
        <title>Demo Page</title>
        <style type="text/css">
            .btn {
                border:  1px solid black;
                background-color: green;
                color: white;
            }

            .btn[disabled] {
                background-color: gray;
            }
        </style>
    </head>
    <body>
        <input type="button" value="Enabled" class="btn" />
        <input type="button" value="Disabled" disabled="true" class="btn" />
    </body>
</html>

Is there any damn way to make this work on a stable release of IE without having to resort to Javascript? My app has 100s of buttons across several pages and many get enabled and disabled based on state maintained on the server. Adding JS only to handle something as simple as this is stupid (esp when it is needed for only one among the supported browsers). Stylig is needed as native browser widgets look out of place in our page (more so as we target multiple platforms). To avoid such out of place appearance every element in the app is styled appropriately.

lywyre · 30-11-2008, 08:18 AM

IE never respects and standards completely. Designers around the world should stop writing specific code for IE. I am also suffering with similar problems (styles) for the past three days, just to make the design similar (not even exact) in all browsers.

Whatever tweak I make, the design is mostly similar in Firefox, Opera and even Chrome. But IE really sucks that way. Even when I have to use JavaScript, I have to code separately for IE.

Faun · 30-11-2008, 10:27 AM

IE sucks, lol I wish it just die ! Always I have to write something to stop that CSS bug

ax3 · 01-12-2008, 12:39 PM

imo, CSS is boring ...... great move ie ......

chandru.in · 01-12-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ax3

imo, CSS is boring ...... great move ie ......

I guess you are still a web development/design n00b.

Faun · 01-12-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ax3

imo, CSS is boring ...... great move ie ......

blasphemy, madness, abhorrent...forget it. Stick with WYSIWTF editors.

lywyre · 03-12-2008, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ax3

imo, CSS is boring ...... great move ie ......

You said boring! Here are two samples:
1. http://www.cssplay.co.uk/
2. http://www.csszengarden.com/

Visit and have a good look and then say.

ax3 · 18-12-2008, 04:29 PM

ohh comeon ..... been doing it 4 a longtime .... bored of typing css instead tried
css maker - nice softy, same as editors ..... just place whot u want & voila its done ...

bt css doesnt showup same in all browsers ... thats pretty boring .....
& some ppl disable .css & .jsp files 4 browsers also .... so here, ur site goes haywire ...

Faun · 18-12-2008, 05:51 PM

lol @ disabling .jsp file

chandru.in · 18-12-2008, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ax3

& some ppl disable .css & .jsp files 4 browsers also .... so here, ur site goes haywire ...

AFAIK no browser allows disabling CSS by default. If user installs some add-on to strip CSS or even worse replace it with his own and the site looked broken, it is his problem not the designer's.

Charan · 18-12-2008, 08:05 PM

The button is disabled in my computer on IE, except that the color is still green but still disabled.

chandru.in · 18-12-2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charan

The button is disabled in my computer on IE, except that the color is still green but still disabled.

That exactly is the problem.

gary4gar · 18-12-2008, 08:19 PM

IE8 should improve things by little atleast

Charan · 18-12-2008, 08:22 PM

^^ +1

chandru.in · 18-12-2008, 09:21 PM

IE 8 still uses quirks mode for intranet sites. 90% of enterprise apps are intranet apps.

iMav · 18-12-2008, 09:32 PM

Here are some posts on CSS by the IE team on the official IE blog. See if it helps with anything.

I don't know anything about CSS and or IE's handling of the same. Just sharing a link if it helps.

Edge-of-chaos · 23-12-2008, 03:08 PM

The world still awaits an absoultely extensible and yet stable browser, opera, chrome, Firefox, and IE all put together in the best form!

30-11-2008, 02:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
chandru.in CAFEBABE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 474	Why doesn't IE do CSS? Is MS killing CSS on IE juts to ensure that standards based web design will always remain difficult and people will choose Silverlight or is it because they never really understood how to render CSS? Being a web developer I'm having to suffer every single day thanks to IE. Developing a web app and making it render as I wish is dead simple on every single browser (including FF, Opera, Chrome and Safari). But after that several minutes and sometimes even hours have to be spent to find workarounds for IE's half arsed rendering brain. I had to suffer one such situation recently. Something as simple as this is not supported on IE (not even in IE 7). WTF is it so? Code: <html> <head> <title>Demo Page</title> <style type="text/css"> .btn { border: 1px solid black; background-color: green; color: white; } .btn[disabled] { background-color: gray; } </style> </head> <body> <input type="button" value="Enabled" class="btn" /> <input type="button" value="Disabled" disabled="true" class="btn" /> </body> </html> Is there any damn way to make this work on a stable release of IE without having to resort to Javascript? My app has 100s of buttons across several pages and many get enabled and disabled based on state maintained on the server. Adding JS only to handle something as simple as this is stupid (esp when it is needed for only one among the supported browsers). Stylig is needed as native browser widgets look out of place in our page (more so as we target multiple platforms). To avoid such out of place appearance every element in the app is styled appropriately. __________________ Chandru http://tuxychandru.blogspot.com

30-11-2008, 08:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
lywyre Jai Suresh Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vellore, TN Posts: 578	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? IE never respects and standards completely. Designers around the world should stop writing specific code for IE. I am also suffering with similar problems (styles) for the past three days, just to make the design similar (not even exact) in all browsers. Whatever tweak I make, the design is mostly similar in Firefox, Opera and even Chrome. But IE really sucks that way. Even when I have to use JavaScript, I have to code separately for IE.

30-11-2008, 10:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
Faun Wahahaha~! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pune/there Posts: 7,109	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? IE sucks, lol I wish it just die ! Always I have to write something to stop that CSS bug __________________ Steam/Flickr: psygeist Spoiler: Asus Z68 V-Pro\|i5 2500k\|TRUE Black\|Ripjaws X+Corsair Vengeance\|U2311H\|N560GTX\|D7000\|XONAR STX\|RE272\|RE0\|CC51\|XE200PRO Walnut\| TD II V2\| Ultraphile\|N5800 Mono

01-12-2008, 12:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
ax3 Cool as a CUCUMBAR ! ! ! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,002	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? imo, CSS is boring ...... great move ie ...... __________________ ... W H O T ...

18-12-2008, 04:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
ax3 Cool as a CUCUMBAR ! ! ! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,002	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? ohh comeon ..... been doing it 4 a longtime .... bored of typing css instead tried css maker - nice softy, same as editors ..... just place whot u want & voila its done ... bt css doesnt showup same in all browsers ... thats pretty boring ..... & some ppl disable .css & .jsp files 4 browsers also .... so here, ur site goes haywire ... __________________ ... W H O T ...

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18-12-2008, 05:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Faun Wahahaha~! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pune/there Posts: 7,109	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? lol @ disabling .jsp file __________________ Steam/Flickr: psygeist Spoiler: Asus Z68 V-Pro\|i5 2500k\|TRUE Black\|Ripjaws X+Corsair Vengeance\|U2311H\|N560GTX\|D7000\|XONAR STX\|RE272\|RE0\|CC51\|XE200PRO Walnut\| TD II V2\| Ultraphile\|N5800 Mono

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Charan >:)I-):(\|)8-X Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು (Bengaluru) Posts: 3,512	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? The button is disabled in my computer on IE, except that the color is still green but still disabled. __________________ i5 2400 \| DH67BL \| G.Skill Ripjaw 4 GB \| FSP SAGA II 500W \| CM 430 Black Elite \| MSI R6850 Cyclone PE/OC \| XBox 360 Controller \| 21.5" Samsung Sync Master 2233 \| 4 Mbps UL

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gary4gar GaurishSharma.com Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jaipur Posts: 4,097	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? IE8 should improve things by little atleast

18-12-2008, 08:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Charan >:)I-):(\|)8-X Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು (Bengaluru) Posts: 3,512	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? ^^ +1 __________________ i5 2400 \| DH67BL \| G.Skill Ripjaw 4 GB \| FSP SAGA II 500W \| CM 430 Black Elite \| MSI R6850 Cyclone PE/OC \| XBox 360 Controller \| 21.5" Samsung Sync Master 2233 \| 4 Mbps UL

18-12-2008, 09:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
chandru.in CAFEBABE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 474	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? IE 8 still uses quirks mode for intranet sites. 90% of enterprise apps are intranet apps. __________________ Chandru http://tuxychandru.blogspot.com

18-12-2008, 09:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
iMav The Devil's Advocate Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Masti Ki Paathshaala Posts: 7,015	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? Here are some posts on CSS by the IE team on the official IE blog. See if it helps with anything. I don't know anything about CSS and or IE's handling of the same. Just sharing a link if it helps. __________________ "The problem that shows up with the three red lights on the console is a complex interaction with some very complex parts.” - Robbie Bach http://beingmanan.com twitter: manan \| Last.FM: manan

23-12-2008, 03:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
Edge-of-chaos Right Off the Assembly Line Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 18	Re: Why doesn't IE do CSS? The world still awaits an absoultely extensible and yet stable browser, opera, chrome, Firefox, and IE all put together in the best form! __________________ Edge-Of-Chaos www.tatasky-dth.blogspot.com Be the change you seek in others!

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