For all those who are planning to join BIG IT companies

[Garbage]

Infosys, TCS, or Wipro?

Sometimes computer science, IT or electronic and communication engineering students get placed in two or three major Indian IT companies and they find it hard to decide which one to join. "Infosys or TCS?" is one of the most common questions I have faced from such students. The answer is much simpler than they think it is.

"Neither."

This blog post is not about how these companies feed the stomachs of lakhs of people. This blog post is not about undermining the efforts of these companies. This blog is not about offending the employees of these organizations. That'll be an unintentional side-effect.

However, this blog post is about a choice that freshers usually have to make and the information they should have before they make the choice. This blog post is about urging the freshers who want to make a career in engineering to not make a mistake that I did because I did not have the necessary information at the right time; a mistake that I could correct two years later after I realized it. This blog post is about some very unpleasant facts about these major Indian IT companies that you wouldn't know unless you have been a part of it.

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[Liverpool_fan]

Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

Some interesting links in the comment section as well:
Pin Dancing: Stuck in Code
The 5-year limit to being a coder in India | Swaroop C H - India, Technology, Life Skills
In India, Anxiety Over the Slow Pace of Innovation - NYTimes.com

[ssk_the_gr8]

nice articles... post some more.. if u know of 'em

[furious_gamer]

Nice read man..... Thx for sharing...

[mitraark]

A little harsh , but still , informative.

[furious_gamer]

Not even a bit harsh, He simply put up all the points clearly..

[Prime_Coder]

I agree with this point by the blogger: -
" The 1% that do absorb the training do not stick to the organization for a long time because sooner or later they realize that they want to do some real engineering. "

Nice article shared..

[xtremevicky]

This is the most bul%$^$% article I have ever read .

The fact and figures are just guesses , he does not know a sh!t .

Infi training is the best in India. #FACHT

You wont be going to onsite and it there is a particular reason behind it . Go figure it out .

I really hope the guy know some ground facts before he goes on such rants.

[furious_gamer]

Originally Posted by xtremevicky709

This is the most bul%$^$% article I have ever read .

The fact and figures are just guesses , he does not know a sh!t .

Infi training is the best in India. #FACHT

You wont be going to onsite and it there is a particular reason behind it . Go figure it out .

I really hope the guy know some ground facts before he goes on such rants.

Read the article again and see this point

Training: People think that these organizations are good for freshers because they get a lot of training which they wouldn't get in other organizations. I must remind such people that attending trainings is not equivalent to learning. Indeed these organizations provide a lot of training to freshers but only about 1% of the trainees actually absorb the knowledge. The 1% that do absorb the training do not stick to the organization for a long time because sooner or later they realize that they want to do some real engineering. The figure '1%' isn't merely a guess. This is my observation across various trainee-batches that have been trained in one of these organizations. Think about it. Can you learn a new programming language in just 3 days? If your answer is "no", you shouldn't join one of these organizations. If your answer is "yes", you shouldn't join one of these organizations.

He never tells their training is bad, he said the number of freshers who get benefited with that is very less.

About onsite, i can't comment much but one thing for sure, if he once went for onsite, the dowry they are demanding is outrageous. I have seen it myself.

[xtremevicky]

Whats the point again ? Do tell me ?

Who says Infi makes you learn a language in 3 days ? Do you even know how long there training is ?

And about the onsite , Which company do you work in ?

[javin]

Originally Posted by xtremevicky709

Whats the point again ? Do tell me ?

Who says Infi makes you learn a language in 3 days ? Do you even know how long there training is ?

Yes, the training is 1.5 months to 3 months long where you are taught 15 to 20 technologies. How much time do you get to learn each technology then? Do the math yourself.

Originally Posted by xtremevicky709

This is the most bul%$^$% article I have ever read .

The fact and figures are just guesses , he does not know a sh!t .

Infi training is the best in India. #FACHT

You wont be going to onsite and it there is a particular reason behind it . Go figure it out .

The article is not bullshit. Did you read the article properly? Read it again. The author has himself said that he is guessing the numbers but they are not wild guesses.

I have worked myself in Infosys and the 5 points he has listed in his article represent Infosys very accurately.

Infosys training is not very good. The ComPre tests in Infosys after training contain wrong questions!! What do you say about that? They teach you wrong things also in the training!! That is why smart people become frustrated and leave.

The article has made it to many good forums.

Hacker News | Infosys, TCS or Wipro?

HackerStreet.India | Infosys, TCS, or Wipro?

YouTube - ‪Hitler does not want to work in Infosys, TCS, or Wipro‬‏

Read those links. Read comments too to get more idea about what sort of **** happens in such companies.

I really hope the guy know some ground facts before he goes on such rants.

You go and first read http://www.linkedin.com/in/susam (Linkedin profile of the guy). He worked in Infosys! You know better than him about Infosys?

[furious_gamer]

Originally Posted by xtremevicky709

Whats the point again ? Do tell me ?

Who says Infi makes you learn a language in 3 days ? Do you even know how long there training is ?

And about the onsite , Which company do you work in ?

If you ask the article writer, then no use. If you ask me, i am telling you my opinion, that if you have confidence that you can learn a PL within a short span of time, shows your passion and eagerness towards the PL so you obviously will not work in service oriented companies like Infy or Wipro.
This is what i intend to say.

Originally Posted by javin

Yes, the training is 1.5 months to 3 months long where you are taught 15 to 20 technologies. How much time do you get to learn each technology then? Do the math yourself.

You get the answer, no as he said....

[xtremevicky]

Ha ha . Sissy old girls .

What do you expect them to teach you ? Spoon feed you ? Give you homework and ask them how your love life is ?

Corporate culture demands that you need to learn on your own pick up stuff from people already working there . This is a self grooming industry and talking about the guy who worked in infosys and does not know how many engg do they hire and give random numbers then he needs to look at what he writes.

I am not going to argue with some lot of this as there is no point in saying this but Stop crying and cribbling about everything !

Be it college , job , goverment , the country .

[javin]

Originally Posted by xtremevicky709

Ha ha . Sissy old girls .

Very clearly you are a troll. But by looking your post count (324) I am confused how you haven't learnt the basic netiquette here. Oh, your twitter profile explains it.

http://twitter.com/xtremevicky and your bio description is:

"A Manc working in Accenture "

Now I understand why you are posting clueless comments and why have no idea of what the author is talking about and what we are talking about.

What do you expect them to teach you ? Spoon feed you ? Give you homework and ask them how your love life is ?

And very clearly you haven't understood articles and comments. Read the article again. Read the reply of furious_gamer. He has answered this already. Nobody is talking about what they should do. Everyone is talking about where an engineer should join - those companies or startups?

Furious_gamer also explained -

"if you have confidence that you can learn a PL within a short span of time, shows your passion and eagerness towards the PL so you obviously will not work in service oriented companies like Infy or Wipro."

Corporate culture demands that you need to learn on your own pick up stuff from people already working there . This is a self grooming industry and talking about the guy who worked in infosys and does not know how many engg do they hire and give random numbers then he needs to look at what he writes.

I have worked in Infosys too. I agree with that guy. Somehow you are arrogant as well as ignorant who thinks that he is wrong even though you have never worked in Infosys and he has and I have. Also read the comments in the article and the other links I have given. If you read them you will multiple people from Infosys, Wipro, etc. giving facts in support of the article. So please do your groundwork before posting bullsh1t comments.

I am not going to argue with some lot of this as there is no point in saying this but Stop crying and cribbling about everything !

Nobody is crying and cribbing. You are just not able to understand simple facts. Yes, please stop arguing about things you don't understand. Leave Accenture. Join a real engineering company. Then may be you will understand why a fresher should never join Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Accenture, Cognizant, etc. You are the only person I can see in this whole thread who is cribbing about the article. Others are discussing facts.

[ico]

Originally Posted by xtremevicky709

Infi training is the best in India. #FACHT

why??

[xtremevicky]

Your last word is the Irony of your post.

See , I ask you a question ? Why should A fresher not join these companies ?

2 : The author pointed about the number of engg the company has . More than what he suggested . He just gave a random number which is bonkers.

3 : My company has flaws like everything else ! But i dont tell people looking to learn to turn there back away from Accenture as the working culture here and learning opportunities are immense .

4 : The Author says

One can find engineering problems in these organizations but no trace of engineering.

. How is that relevant ? When you are the owner of the company and you want things to be done then the textbook wont be the one who will get the Job done . Big difference in what you read and what you have to do . As they say Real World is very different.

5. How much should a good software user earn?

You have any idea how much does a software engg in US earn ? We get paid sh1t compared to what they are paid . I also say Accenture has one of the best work culture but that can be different in place to place , project to project .

6. Just because you code well , does not mean you will be sent onsite . Again there are flaws but there are simple and working ways how you can go to onsite.

New start-ups come up every year. Software companies which develop famous and successful products are more likely to have them. Some good examples are Adobe, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Phoenix, RSA, etc.

How many these companies hire ? Will you be able to get a job ? Let yourself go , How many will be able to get the job there ?

I am not trolling nor I am in any delusions . Ground Reality for a average fresher is different . Try to live in the real world and that article dose not talk about facts . It talks about a certain individual who is working in the wrong industry if he wants to apply Engg skills .

Originally Posted by ico

why??

I tell you ' Why ' .

Infi does train on multiple platforms . You will know a lot about a lot of basic things then you can ever learn in TCS . I am not commenting on Wipro !

In Accenture , The trainers were external and they had no interest in what the people were doing when they are teaching . They were just filling there pockets .

In Infi, Atleast the trainer makes the effort to make you learn something .

Just my 2 cents .

[javin]

LOL xtremevicky. Now you make me laugh. Please leave Accenture and join a good company. Your last comment is the most bullsh1t comment i have read.

Originally Posted by xtremevicky709

Your last word is the Irony of your post.
In Infi, Atleast the trainer makes the effort to make you learn something .

Just my 2 cents .

I will prove all your comment is bullsh1t by this one example. Infy also uses external trainers. Plus they teach wrong things. So please do your groundwork before posting bullsh1t comments.

If you want to come out of your delusion leave Accenture and join a better company like google or microsoft. If you can't do it why are you commenting on this article. This article and discussion is not meant for losers like you who are stuck in a crappy company. This is written in the article. See.

http://blog.susam.in/2011/05/infosys-tcs-or-wipro.html

ALERT: If you are not interested in making a career in engineering, lack the confidence to do so, or you are very content with working for one of these three companies for reasons that are valid to you, you may stop reading this and go back to what you were doing before landing on this page."

[ico]

let's have a healthy discussion instead of going personal.

[Liverpool_fan]

Originally Posted by ico

why??

He is talking about ze Indian standards of best I would guess.

[asingh]

One should never become so personally attached to organizations that they reach a point where they have to write articles of this sort.

Just keep it 8 hour / day. 5 days.

Most of the stuff he wrote, are quite obvious and pertinent to most organizations. Typical "Indianization" on a US template.

[javin]

Originally Posted by asingh

One should never become so personally attached to organizations that they reach a point where they have to write articles of this sort.

Just keep it 8 hour / day. 5 days.

Most of the stuff he wrote, are quite obvious and pertinent to most organizations. Typical "Indianization" on a US template.

How? In Infosys it is a rule to work for 9.5 hours per day whether you have any work to do or not. otherwise HR action is taken against you.

Don't you think freshers need to know the truth before they join an organization?

[mitraark]

Can you learn a new programming language in just 3 days? If your answer is "no", you shouldn't join one of these organizations. If your answer is "yes", you shouldn't join one of these organizations.

Well it is true that 3 Days to learn a Programming Language is absurd , but training is not something which will make you expert after end of course , it will just be a class for the different modules in the language , it is upto you to practice and indulge and finally become the expert in the programming language by yourrself in time.

[furious_gamer]

@javin
Ofcourse.

@asingh : It is not for those who live with dreams of joining these BIG companies. This is for the ones who is very passionate to do something and innovate new things.

@xtremevicky

Going too personal is not good for any of us here.

BTW You are not working for Infi nor you had, so how come you know everything about Infi. The trainer part, that was a good one...

See you like Accenture and you are well planned on what to do next with your career, that's different thing. Because you choose a company then you chasing behind the career. But i chose a career and looking for a job. This is why people like us ended up mostly in product based companies. Even the article writer now ended up with RSA.

So clearly the article is not for you or your kind of people and as mentioned by javin, read the disclaimer.

and about salary, we all know that we are underpaid. Aren't we? But still due to more than adequate work force, if you deny an offer, there are 1000's of people out there to accept it and this is the reason still now we are not getting what the guy in US getting.

Originally Posted by mitraark

Well it is true that 3 Days to learn a Programming Language is absurd , but training is not something which will make you expert after end of course , it will just be a class for the different modules in the language , it is upto you to practice and indulge and finally become the expert in the programming language by yourrself in time.

That was meant to be sarcastic example. Read my prev post...

[Garbage]

@xtremevicky709,

I too work for Accenture, and had worked / trained in TCS. And one thing I know for sure is, you are really being a troll.

We all carry our feelings for current / previous employers, but we don't rant about it in public. And your good previous employer doesn't make other's employer bad / bullsh!t.

Get some life dude. If you don't, I fear mods will take some actions against you.

[mitraark]

Originally Posted by javin

Nobody is crying and cribbing. You are just not able to understand simple facts. Yes, please stop arguing about things you don't understand. Leave Accenture. Join a real engineering company. Then may be you will understand why a fresher should never join Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Accenture, Cognizant, etc. You are the only person I can see in this whole thread who is cribbing about the article. Others are discussing facts.

If it was that simple to join any company of our choice , everyone would join a "real engineering company" ... I feel someone who has worked in a company reserves the right to speak something about it more than any outsider.. you are deameaning these companies in every post , as if you have worked in everyone of them , and suggesting Microsoft Google as worthy places to work , any validation you have for your word other than similar blogs and articles .... Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Accenture , they are the top hiring IT COmpanies for a reason , increasing number of fresher intake does not necessarily make it equivalent of being a cheap company.

I for one , know that i will most probably end up in one these companies in two years time. "This is for the ones who is very passionate to do something and innovate new things." , yeah guess i am not , flunking Communications paper So i guess i am going to be a "loser who are stuck in a crappy company".

[furious_gamer]

Originally Posted by mitraark

If it was that simple to join any company of our choice , everyone would join a "real engineering company" ... I feel someone who has worked in a company reserves the right to speak something about it more than any outsider.. you are deameaning these companies in every post , as if you have worked in everyone of them , and suggesting Microsoft Google as worthy places to work , any validation you have for your word other than similar blogs and articles .... Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Accenture , they are the top hiring IT COmpanies for a reason , increasing number of fresher intake does not necessarily make it equivalent of being a cheap company.

No one ever said these things. For once, please read all the posts and reply. We already clearly mentioned that, IT IS NOT a good choice for fresher, if he wants to apply his engg skills or to do some real coding. Period.

If you know about these companies and you join with them, it's upto you and no one will stop. But this article is for someone wants to do something innovative and kinda stuff, who is seeking advice. Got it.

[javin]

Originally Posted by mitraark

If it was that simple to join any company of our choice , everyone would join a "real engineering company" ... I feel someone who has worked in a company reserves the right to speak something about it more than any outsider.. you are deameaning these companies in every post , as if you have worked in everyone of them , and suggesting Microsoft Google as worthy places to work , any validation you have for your word other than similar blogs and articles .... Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Accenture , they are the top hiring IT COmpanies for a reason , increasing number of fresher intake does not necessarily make it equivalent of being a cheap company.

I for one , know that i will most probably end up in one these companies in two years time. "This is for the ones who is very passionate to do something and innovate new things." , yeah guess i am not , flunking Communications paper So i guess i am going to be a "loser who are stuck in a crappy company".

If you know for sure that you will end up in those then this article is not for you. Read the article carefully for heaven's sake people!

I am not demeaning the companies. I am saying that if someone is confident and good at engineering he must try to get into adobe, amazon, etc. many people like me who thought infosys, tcs, were good company and joined it regretted. then we left and joined better companies.

i have not worked in everyone of them. i have worked in infosys. my friends have worked in tcs, wipro, accenture, cognizant, etc. i know from them that the condition is same everywhere. but the condition is vastly better in adobe, amazon, ...

[mitraark]

Originally Posted by furious_gamer

No one ever said these things. For once, please read all the posts and reply.

I quoted .

Originally Posted by furious_gamer

We already clearly mentioned that, IT IS NOT a good choice for fresher, if he wants to apply his engg skills or to do some real coding. Period. If you know about these companies and you join with them, it's upto you and no one will stop. But this article is for someone wants to do something innovative and kinda stuff, who is seeking advice. Got it.

I am sorry but i am a pessimist , and saying that "being passionate enough" can land you in good Companies like Microsoft and Google is a little farfetched. Even in good colleges only a few get selected by such companies. As much as i know like everyone else , companies like TCS Infosys just sweeps away the bootom feeders of a class , and are to be avoided during placements at all costs , i have somewhat accepted that it will probably be where i [ and quite a few others ] end up and have to climb up from there , no point in completely demeaning them.

[gagan007]

you guys are getting emotional on this one. the blog shows the immaturity of the person. he has some opinions of his own and posted it. you are free to like or dislike it. Well I agreed to only two (Culture and Onsite) points mentioned by him.

@xtremevicky709: why are you so adamant on proving Infosys training as the best in industry? What's the point? I left argument in other thread because I don't feed trolling or I am not here to quench someone's ego.

Moving ahead, on that blog. Those who are passing out from engineering colleges really have a choice? According to Nasscom 350,000 students graduate in engineering. Do they have many choices to select a career from? I do not think so. Most of the Civil, Mechanical, Electrical engineering students also join software industry being unaware of computers (I mean knowledge of microprocessors, OOP, Data Structure etc) and basic programming knowledge.

Are there enough startups around which can make use of these "engineers"? Gyaan dena sabse asaan kaam hai is desh main!
I have searched for a good job in bangalore for 4 whole months! Couldn't find any startup to employ me. What were my options? To keep looking for a "good" place where I could enhance and make use of my engineering skills or join any organization which is providing me a job. I had to be practical.

I know that the blogger has started his post by "This blog post is not about how these companies feed the stomachs of lakhs of people." but I think that he got bored of his job (as most of people in this industry) and wrote his mind off.

[javin]

Originally Posted by gagan007

you guys are getting emotional on this one. the blog shows the immaturity of the person.

And this comment of yours is very unemotional, no?

How would you feel if I now say that your comment shows the immaturity of yours?

You guys don't even read the article carefully. THE ARTICLE IS NOT MEANT FOR THOSE WHO CAN NOT GET A JOB IN PLACES OTHER THAN INFOSYS, TCS, WIPRO!

For heaven's sake READ THE ARTICLE CAREFULLY. THE DISCLAIMER IN THE ARTICLE says that it is addressed towards only those people who have options to join better companies but they might fall prey to the hype of Infosys, TCS, Wipro!

Originally Posted by mitraark

I am sorry but i am a pessimist , and saying that "being passionate enough" can land you in good Companies like Microsoft and Google is a little farfetched. Even in good colleges only a few get selected by such companies.

From Susam Pal: Infosys, TCS, or Wipro? =>

ALERT: If you are not interested in making a career in engineering, lack the confidence to do so, or you are very content with working for one of these three companies for reasons that are valid to you, you may stop reading this and go back to what you were doing before landing on this page.