BE(IT) vs BE(CSE) vs BCA/MCA vs BSc/MSc(CS)

[MetalheadGautham]

Well, whats the difference between these 6 courses ?

[Disc_Junkie]

Are you talking about 4 courses or 6 courses. And if you are talking about 6 courses don't you the difference between BCA(Bachelor of Computer Applications) and MCA(Master of Computer Applications).

[utsav]

Huh? That counts to 4 dude. Two others are master degree courses.

[amol48]

In Pune university, BE (IT) and BE (CSE) are technically the same. 36 out of total 38 subjects of IT and CSE are the same! (of course syllabus too )

Don't know about B.Sc and BCA. However B.Sc is more technical I guess while the later is bit related to management too.

[sre06]

of course there r lots of difference the maker of these course are not fool ...

[MetalheadGautham]

Ofcourse I am not including the Masters Courses in the discussion. They are for comparison.

Anyway, I understand that IT and CSE are almost the same. Then what about BCA and B.Sc(CS) ?

Are they any different from engineering based computer science courses ?
What about years of study ? I hear they are 3 years each ?

And whats the employability difference between BE(CSE/IT), ME(CSE/IT), BSc(CS), MSc(CS), BCA and MCA ? Obviously ME would fetch the most money and have highest status, but what about other courses ?

I am sort of confused because of the wide variety of choices available to get a career in computing. My primary aim is a B.Tech (CSE/IT) from an IIT, an NIT, DA-IICT or VIT. But for alternatives, I don't know where to look.

[MetalheadGautham]

Yeah but what about BSc/MSc and BCA/MCA ? Whats their SCOPE ?

[vandit]

Well although bca guys are taught more of the core domain subjects of CP/IT ; they end up getting less employment opportunities than the BE/Btech guys.
Also do consider the NITs and BITS pilani before the IIITs and the options you gave are certainly the best you can get.

[MetalheadGautham]

Can I have more clear figures please ?
I also want links to stuff like placement info.

[m-jeri]

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dumb thread ..... but natural coz you are abt to start the college studies.... ....

1. BTECH and BE....

Both these are same tbh in INDIA only... In india Btech can only be given by Tier 1 inst like IIT and the sorts... but lots of other univs of Tier 2 gives that. I am one form them.

The difference between them is the course structure... i have cousins and friend from abroad a lot...their average Btech course will kick our Top BE course, content/Project/Style wise.

But in india either one... is ok....

2. CS & IT....

CS.... most subjects are about SCIENCE behind the different Main sections is Computers... like compilers..OS..Hardware...PM.... DS.... and some Langauges..... very few i may say... Introduced in univs before IT.

IT.... the perfect balance between science and application levels..... some HR DO prefer CS coz of the fact that they may be suitable for more indepth and R7D related work.... dunno wether its true... I am CS....

3. BSC / BCA ...

BCA is the best one for job oriented not BSC.... if they say i am wrong i say STFU.... i know coz i am in the industry and i know like a 15 personal examples...... BSC are more suited for teaching.... and ITes works.... some mnc's hire them and give training for 2 years and make them give bonds for another 3 years and less pay ...so go figure.....

but after BCA you have to go for MCA... its a must....


Ok now All this become a moot point and you actually got a job in a IT MNC with a BSC/Msc or BCA/MCA..... You work hard for 5 years and be a Sr S/w Engg... and the guy with BE/Btech become one in 2.5~3years without breaking a sweat.... and the same pay....

[MetalheadGautham]

Thanks. THATS the type of answer I am looking for.

And btw, If I end up with a Mechanical seat in an NIT and an IT/CS seat in another collage, can I do Mech and then do MCA through correspondance ? Is it worth it ?

And how is DA-IICT ? http://www.da-iict.org/ I have applied for their B.Tech in ICT program. Is it a good choice ? How hard is it to get selected there ?

[m-jeri]

Well... one have to be a total aimless guy to be do a mech and then a MCA....

who would do that???..... its not worth it...thats not a qn....

well no one does a mech if they want to go into IT..they just cam to IT coz no other alternative...just do some courses if you like..thats all needed.....

and a mech in a NIt is 3L337 ....

thats a like a new college....maybe some top companies may come for placement....thats bt it...

i dont think the cream students will opt for it...

[Phantom Lancer]

Originally Posted by amol48

In Pune university, BE (IT) and BE (CSE) are technically the same. 36 out of total 38 subjects of IT and CSE are the same! (of course syllabus too )

Don't know about B.Sc and BCA. However B.Sc is more technical I guess while the later is bit related to management too.

Same case in Tamil Nadu .... like i said before in some post 95% of the subjects are similar in both IT and CSC streams
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Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

Yeah but what about BSc/MSc and BCA/MCA ? Whats their SCOPE ?

Here you need to consider 'Degree recognition' ...... BE/Btech degrees get a better recognition when compared with BSC/BCA etc ..... And also like somebody pointed out they get the cream of job packages/Faculty/resources etc

And most big companies state that they will only accept people who have a 4 year degree in the related field for top technical positions such as software Enginner .

BE/Btech has lesser recognition compared to BS
and
BSc has even lesser recognition compared BE/Btech
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Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

Are they any different from engineering based computer science courses ?
What about years of study ? I hear they are 3 years each ?

correct BE/BTech - 4 years
BSc/BCA-3 years

And whats the employability difference between BE(CSE/IT), ME(CSE/IT), BSc(CS), MSc(CS), BCA and MCA ? Obviously ME would fetch the most money and have highest status, but what about other courses ?

correct
BE+ME will fetch you a high pay package and also a chance to get into research ....Very good option if you are interested in technical research

BE+work experience(optional, International Institutes only)+MBA will fetch you the highest pay package in the computer field +managerial position

I am sort of confused because of the wide variety of choices available to get a career in computing. My primary aim is a B.Tech (CSE/IT) from an IIT, an NIT, DA-IICT or VIT. But for alternatives, I don't know where to look.

I would recommend the same
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Originally Posted by m-jeri

^^^

2. CS & IT....

CS.... most subjects are about SCIENCE behind the different Main sections is Computers... like compilers..OS..Hardware...PM.... DS.... and some Langauges..... very few i may say... Introduced in univs before IT.

IT.... the perfect balance between science and application levels..... some HR DO prefer CS coz of the fact that they may be suitable for more indepth and R7D related work.... dunno wether its true... I am CS....

Its not true .... i am IT and having compared our syllabus with CSC guys from my institute i can say that the difference is negligible

We too have studied
Computer Architecture
Operating systems
Object oriented analysis and design
Microprocessors and micro controllers
Data Structures
Visual programming
etc etc and all such major CSC subjects .....and we also have a bit of ECE subjects such as Principles of communications,signals and system and Digital signal procressing thrown in .....
We also have some subjects exclusive to IT such as
Cryptography and network Security
Network programming and management etc etc etc
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Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

And btw, If I end up with a Mechanical seat in an NIT and an IT/CS seat in another collage, can I do Mech and then do MCA through correspondance ? Is it worth it ?
?

very bad idea .... correspondence courses have even lesser recognition
and A UG and PG from a different field is def not advisable
Recognition comes into play when you are
1. Applying for a job
2. Applying for a PG degree abroad or in a prestigious college in India
3. Applying for Phd

[Phantom Lancer]

Originally Posted by vandit

Also do consider the NITs and BITS pilani before the IIITs and the options you gave are certainly the best you can get.

According to last year's univ rankings in India ..... IITs(most branches) had the highest rank , BITS came next followed by Anna Univ .... the rest followed .....

[gopi_vbboy]

All are same when u r really interested i Computer Science
Take whatever course u r getting related to ur interested field
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Don;t xpect anything special in teaching faculty...ther are bit normal and not as much u expect in iits,nits,etc
u need to learn inderpendently...thats what my engg undergrad taught me in ma first year

[m-jeri]

Originally Posted by Phantom Lancer

Its not true .... i am IT and having compared our syllabus with CSC guys from my institute i can say that the difference is negligible

We too have studied
Computer Architecture
Operating systems
Object oriented analysis and design
Microprocessors and micro controllers
Data Structures
Visual programming
etc etc and all such major CSC subjects .....and we also have a bit of ECE subjects such as Principles of communications,signals and system and Digital signal procressing thrown in .....
We also have some subjects exclusive to IT such as
Cryptography and network Security
Network programming and management etc etc etc

Well...in indian there is a hundred universities.... you have to think abt that....

one univ doesnt change the fact... i have checked with 3 main univs in kerala.....

Kerala...cochin....MG..... and its true to a extent....

Crypto and N/w security CSE for Kerla have as elcetives...so does the other univs....
so does N/w prgramming labs....

see..thats the difference between university levels....

[Phantom Lancer]

oh! i had forgotten to enquire about their (csc ) electives ....May be the have it too

But generally B.Tech/BE may differ slightly between universities but its a very standardised degree ..... Univs have to follow certain standard if they want their degrees to be recognised ... and i remember a guy (in this thread) from Pune university saying that there too the difference b/w CSC and IT streams were negligible ....

Bottom line is that they are more are less similar ....
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Originally Posted by gopi_vbboy

Don;t xpect anything special in teaching faculty...ther are bit normal and not as much u expect in iits,nits,etc
u need to learn inderpendently...thats what my engg undergrad taught me in ma first year

Agreed
if you study in good univs like IIT /BITS or Anna you will have to do most of the studying yourself ...its very different from school .....
But that does nt mean the quality of your faculty can be ignored ...

generally in such universities as mentioned above ...... Quality of the faculty will completely determine how well you understand your subject ..... most of the professors from such univs have done research in their respective subjects and as a result are subject experts ... hence students from these univs are really more knowledgable than their counterparts from other univs ......

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by Phantom Lancer

According to last year's univ rankings in India ..... IITs(most branches) had the highest rank , BITS came next followed by Anna Univ .... the rest followed .....

What ? Anna University is higher placed than NITs ?
How do I apply for it ? I am a resident of karnataka for 10 years but my mom is native and has done all her degrees from TN.

[m-jeri]

^^

Its wrong.... some ranking may say it... but truth is not...

[Disc_Junkie]

Did anyone of you heard of Bengal Institute of Technocrats. They are awarding BTech degree on successful completion of Aeronautical Engineering in their college. Is it a good college? When will the admission forms will be out? Please tell.........

[confused]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

Thanks. THATS the type of answer I am looking for.

And btw, If I end up with a Mechanical seat in an NIT and an IT/CS seat in another collage, can I do Mech and then do MCA through correspondance ? Is it worth it ?

And how is DA-IICT ? http://www.da-iict.org/ I have applied for their B.Tech in ICT program. Is it a good choice ? How hard is it to get selected there ?

you gotta clear aieee with a rank within 10k (max, 8k will be a safer bet) to get there.....and thats quite tough, almost like clearing iitjee....
but overall there are lots of better institutes than DAIICT.....namely NITs(the top 7-8)/BITS-pilani campus/BIT/NSIT-DCE/PEC/Anna,etc

[MetalheadGautham]

I will definitely try my best to make it to top 5000 to have a chance of getting cs/it in nit, but daiict is a backup option if I end up getting 9000th rank and b.tech(textile technology)

[Phantom Lancer]

Originally Posted by m-jeri

^^

Its wrong.... some ranking may say it... but truth is not...

My info was outdated actually not wrong .... rankings change yearly

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

What ? Anna University is higher placed than NITs ?
How do I apply for it ? I am a resident of karnataka for 10 years but my mom is native and has done all her degrees from TN.

Rankings keep varying year by year ........ as per 2008 rankings NIT s were placed before Anna Univ ....... My last info was 2 years outdated

there are only about 3-4 orgs which rank Engg Indian Institutes ..... heres the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enginee...chools_.5B4.5D

[MetalheadGautham]

Next question about VIT:

My mom is critisizing me for targeting only VIT, because I have studied the whole of its syllabus and hence I feel secure and confident in revising its portions.

She says its expensive, and her friend's daughter apparently says its not got good teachers.

But I am inclined towards it since its a Tier I collage, has great placements and its somewhat easier to get into.

I doubt I can comfortably clear AIEEE or IIT-JEE to get B.Tech(IT/CSE).

What do I do ?

[gopi_vbboy]

^^ Even i aimed to join CS/IT but could not get in my desired coll,so took eee keeping in view collg name,coz i had lot of comptn of CS

i think due to recession ppl will not go for CS/IT NOW instead go for core side like EEE/MECH/CIVIL etc.I think u hav a chance of CS in some NIT/iit IF U perform good.

Actually if u r really interested in CS/IT Technical/Research part then only go for the course or else take any course n do B.E IF U R AIMING FOR mba,etc or job.Remember nowadays coll is important if u r not intrested very much in subject side.

[MetalheadGautham]

BTW, whats the scope for Specialisation in Cryptography and Security ?

I think I have aptitude in such things, but "normal" software programming seems much more fun and less "serious", and yeah, I have an aptitude there too.

I heard things like cryptography and security will be wanted jobs even in recession times as they are zero-compromises fields.

[confused]

to be honest dude VIT, Manipal, Amity all su#k bigtime. i wouldnt recommend them. they have obscenely high fees too, almost thrice of my college (BIT Mesra)

one more advice, dude stick to ur books for now. after u give jee and aieee,etc u have all the time to do research on colleges. trust me, i went through the same last year. not worth the mental tension. just chill. sleep and eat well. put ur best effort in the exams.

once the results are out u can do all this stuff.....

[MetalheadGautham]

But I heard placements are good in VIT ?

And yeah, I would most propably doing an M.Tech/ME/MS(most likely) after a BE/B.Tech because I heard some of the fields I am interested in require a riddiculously high level of expertise and qualification.

Do you think the curse of getting a lower end collage for BE/B.Tech would have its effects minimized if I get a good rank in GATE and join a 1337 institute like IISc for Post Graduation ?

[zboy123]

No dude!! First of all don't think of going for Post Graduation just cuz you wanna minimize your effects of being in a 2nd tier college.

It's better to be a first grade student in 2nd tier college than a 2nd grade student in 1st grade college

but then reality bites - where I work, I was hired for a post where people normally reach after at least 2 years of experience and I earn more than most of my colleagues. This is what belonging to a 1st tier college does in the start of your career. However, by personal experience, it all averages out in 4-5 years. So it doesn't matter in long run.

If you are really interested in further studies, try excelling in your college, convince your profs for good recos and app abroad for post graduation. Post graduation in India will do nothing to your resume except get you a slightly better payscale which u might anyway eventually get had worked those 2 years extra you put into doing masters. If research is what you wanna do, aim for colleges and faculty with excellence in your field both for graduation and post graduation.

Hope this helps you.

Nitin
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No dude!! First of all don't think of going for Post Graduation just cuz you wanna minimize your effects of being in a 2nd tier college.

It's better to be a first grade student in 2nd tier college than a 2nd grade student in 1st grade college

but then reality bites - where I work, I was hired for a post where people normally reach after at least 2 years of experience and I earn more than most of my colleagues. This is what belonging to a 1st tier college does in the start of your career. However, by personal experience, it all averages out in 4-5 years. So it doesn't matter in long run.

If you are really interested in further studies, try excelling in your college, convince your profs for good recos and app abroad for post graduation. Post graduation in India will do nothing to your resume except get you a slightly better payscale which u might anyway eventually get had worked those 2 years extra you put into doing masters. If research is what you wanna do, aim for colleges and faculty with excellence in your field both for graduation and post graduation.

Hope this helps you.

Nitin

[MetalheadGautham]

Thanks for your advice.

But can you tell me WHAT is the difference like, in pay scales ? Since I may be taking an educational loan, I need info about attending which collage is easier to pay back, etc.