The Photography Thread

[sujoyp]

Just last question....Y do superzooms costing 14k have 24x zoom and for SLR we have to spare 25k+ for just lens ??

@coolG5....I have already started all these .. but good article

[INS-ANI]

@cool nice article..
How about writing one for starters like me?
people like me usually don't know much basics of photography, about their camera and Post processing. For me, i know i am moving ahead, but its random.. i take a step when i see an opportunity.

An article from experienced lot like you can surely advice precisely how,what and why one should do to reach a basic level of competence, beyond which only his creativity can guide him.

[chitvan]

I cldn't wait myself. Here are the (unedited) snaps

The lamp was modified with cellotape layers on the inside walls for better reflection.
probably without this modification, brightness would have been even lower.

Also, comparing from old image, a single candle illuminates just half the book.
A perfect pic can be when i put the lamp at the end of wall with full view of unrestricted spread of light.

If i require to shoot a shadow,depending on size of object.. i will require more than one candle for better composition.

Will appreciate some analysis,improvement ideas from your end.

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@sujyop the kind of image link you posted... i guess it will require better (clean) setup.. will try them later

i understand what problem u faced...
whenever u use longer exposure candle light will come toooo bright....
& if u use little shorter exposure then it will come underexposed image...


its bcoz u need to use some other light source...like keep on night lamp...
what do u think....sujyop had posted links are not result of only candel`s light....
there is another light source too...

[Cool G5]

@INS-ANI - Thanks. I do take extra care to see that even newbies can understand what I write & talk in the photography articles. I avoid jargon most of times & stick to simple no fuss language. Meanwhile INS-ANI check out the photography section on my site, it has lots of article which can help you. Morever I'm in process of writing a photography ebook which will contain shooting in AUTO, MANUAL, Post-Processing & many more. But you need to wait for that since being a one man army it will take time.

@sujoy - First of all you won't likely get a 24x zoom non-dslr within 14K(If yes point that out). They come atleast at Rs.20K+. Regarding DSLR lenses being expensive, these lens are made from high quality glass which is needed to give you ultra sharp pictures. Also some dslr zoom lens have a fixed aperture i.e 70-300mm f4.0. This means the aperture will remain f4.0 throughout the zooming range of 70-300. Such lenses cost a bomb & are generally preferred by professionals who demand more. Also the lens are protected using high grade chemicals coat over them which reduces glare & light reflections as it enters through the lens. Our normal zoom lens of prosumer cameras will not have coating of such a high grade. Then there are other lens phenomenon like distortion, purple fringing, end to end sharpness etc which are well controlled by DSLR lenses but not by the tiny zoom lens on your prosumer. All these make them so costly.

[chitvan]

@sujoyp,
@INS-ANI,
Thanks for liking my pics....

here are some more pics from my second trip,Jami Masjid,Ahmedabad.


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[INS-ANI]

@chitvan
Thanks for the analysis. Actually, as i am using an automatic Camera(DS-W210), the candle is the only thing i can control.
However, the snaps without direct candle light gives the desired look.
see this image:

and the below is same one, but photoshopped


Do you think a masked candle(with semi transparent film) will help.
The requirement i can think of is a setup like this:

The Candle C is a low intensity light, where as A and B are bright light, but not directed to Camera lens. A series of permutations and combination of position of A and B may give the desired result.

Would appreciate your feedback regarding the same.

[rhitwick]

@chitvan, I loved the second pic...the kid has some naughty eyes and captured very good...

Keep it up.

[INS-ANI]

@cool.. can i prebook your ebook? .
have seen your site and saved your articles (without your consent )to read them in holidays.
Beside: if i manage to complete my research in holidays(especially the candle one ), i may start a blog for noobs like me.

@chirag
Image 2 and 4: WOW!!!
May i suggest some more ideas like image 2, how about image of same child on a busy street (like vegetable market, with crowded background) and long exposure shot.
its kind of similar market shot you posted before.

and about image 4, can you please remove the mobile tower..
also,can you share you took the shot? Is it processed?

[sujoyp]

@coolG5...I was talking about Nikon p90 which have 24x zoom and is selling for 15k...Thanks for the explanation...

@ Chitvan...ur 2nd pic looks soo natural...good shot

[chitvan]

@chirag
Image 2 and 4: WOW!!!
May i suggest some more ideas like image 2, how about image of same child on a busy street (like vegetable market, with crowded background) and long exposure shot.
its kind of similar market shot you posted before.



and about image 4, can you please remove the mobile tower..
also,can you share you took the shot? Is it processed?

yes....you can suggest your ideas..
yup you are right........busy street got more motion blur...and it adds more life to pic...
i knew it...but street was empty at 11:00am....and actually our main target is to visit Jami Masjid...
our next trip will surely be for Street Photography....but not soon....as Summer Ruined all the things...
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no...even cropping or removing tower from image will jus kill the aesthetics of it...

its like Photojournalism work...that tower shows how our Gov don`t care of heritage like places & give license to mobile Co.....
even that building on which tower was built is more than 100 years old...

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More shots from same trip


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[rhitwick]

In first pic of you second installment, I like the girl's half covered face.....

[sujoyp]

@chitvan...u shouldnt have blurred the cat's body..
ur 2nd pic is awesome as always

[chitvan]

@chitvan...u shouldnt have blurred the cat's body..
ur 2nd pic is awesome as always

hhmmm....u r right....
it doesn't look good...
....i wanted to get shallow DoF...but my camera cant produce good DoF.....so edited...

[toofan]

Chitvan: Some awesome photographs from you. Why not you go for a dslr you badly need that if you don't have it yet.
This will only add more to your skills.

[Cool G5]

@chirag - Nice pics.

@INS-ANI - No worries in saving until & unless you post them somewhere without giving credit to me Don't worry, the ebook will most probably be released for free under creative commons licence.

[sujoyp]

I tried to increase the exposure and sharpness of the pic..these little devils dont give much chance to take snaps


Actually I tried some horror style but couldnt yet get it.
Some samples

[INS-ANI]

@Sujyop.. Image 1, Perfect soulmate for your avatar.
The first candle image looks great. Try this..
put some prop (or anything worth putting) and light two candles. Keep one in frame and one on left(out of frame). Take a snap (snap1) .
Then repeat the same process with now the candle on right and take a snap (snap2).. photoshop them and you will have a decent image w/o much exposure.
(Atleast try it for me )

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Also..

can u try this

[sujoyp]

@INS-INI yaah will try that soon...

[Cool G5]

@sujoy - Maybe you could have tried to include the iron bar to aid composition. Similarly the red candle pic is good but can be better. Wait let me try some candle photography. This is an aspect I've never discovered. Goes to search some candles.

[sujoyp]

@cool G5...I am searching for new ideas with candle...INS-INI gave good idea..but no tank at my house...lets see if its possible

The original cat pic looked like this

how could i use the iron rod for composition??

[INS-ANI]

@sujyop, its fairly easy, you don't need a tank...Just find any utensil big enough (or any plastic box, you can get variety at market @cheap price),
fill it with water and hold the candle on a glass "katori" and keep the katori on the water and let the water bee still.
Take a snap in this position..

If possible try with various combination of utensil, some may even letsome part of candle buried in water.. this is even better position.

HINT:.. If i were you, i will jam my kitchen sink

ALSO: DO post the setup image.

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@cool
Get some candle gel, if possible.. You will thank me later

[sujoyp]

@INS-INI..Not kicthen sink...but will surely find something suitable...i have big drum...hopefully it will work...I have to get a lighter candle...this one was heavy and big

[INS-ANI]

you may need to float the candle then. it will require some work with candle.. you need to make it horizontal ( disc shaped). You may not find such candle in market, but u can still try to make one from old pieces..

[rkneo11]

@INS-ANI
nice tip... Thank you

[Cool G5]

@sujoy - Crop the pic vertically including the rod at a side, it will look a little better. Actually the iron rod is distracting but still a vertical composition will look better.

@INS-ANI - Will try it. BTW what about your exams? Studies are on, right?

[INS-ANI]

Yeah i am studying, its a continuous process, involving many sources including internet

[sujoyp]

@cool G5..Do u mean something like this

[toofan]

He might mean this.


Sujoyp: its time to learn the rule of third now. Try to compose your image like so that the subject follows the rule of third. Means draw imaginary lines three vertical and three horizontal at equal distance. Then try to position you subject at any of the bisecting lines in upper third or lower third. And try that your subject is positioned in any of these lines. It will increase the interest in image.

Ask coolG5 he will tell you more technically about this.

EG:



You post too many cat pics and hardly anyone impresses me. If you try to follow this rule this will make your simple looking shots some impressive.

I am not better at understanding things to others but hope you get the point and cool will through some light on it.

[sujoyp]

@toofan...yaah will try to improve...soo should i activate the grid on my cam...it would be easy to use this"rule of third"

[Cool G5]

@sujoy - If your camera has the grid, go ahead turn it on. If doesn't then imagine them. Toofan posted a correct cropped version of your image. In the image the subject(climax) of your image lies at the intersection of lines. This makes the image more better than the previous one. As i said earlier the rod is distracting & doesn't quite appeals but when you shoot next time try to include a complimentary element or maybe drop in a prop purposely. But also remember do break this rule sometimes as it can become quite monotonous & won't please the viewer.