Microsoft VP confirms Windows 7 ship date: January 2010

[Indyan]

In a letter sent to enterprise and business customers, Microsoft says it is responding to users' request for a more regular, predictable Windows release schedule.

Microsoft will ship Windows 7 sometime in or near Jan. 2010, according to a letter company senior vice president Bill Veghte sent to Microsoft customers Tuesday.

In the letter sent to "Windows Customers" and titled "An Update on the Windows Roadmap," Veghte said "our plan is to deliver Windows 7 approximately three years after the January 2007 general availability launch date of Windows Vista."

Veghte wrote, "You have told us you want a more regular, predictable Windows release schedule" and he said that was the impetus for setting the 2010 ship date.

Vista has been slowly gaining steam, but is still drawing fire from critics who say it has not lived up to promises.

Veghte went further in addressing customer concerns over application compatibility, which had been a problem shortly after Vista's release.

"You've also let us know you don't want to face the kinds of incompatibility challenges with the next version of Windows you might have experienced early with Windows Vista. As a result, our approach with Windows 7 is to build off the same core architecture as Windows Vista so the investments you and our partners have made in Windows Vista will continue to pay off with Windows 7. Our goal is to ensure the migration process from Windows Vista to Windows 7 is straightforward."

Veghte's discussion of Windows 7 was part of an effort to clarify the June 30 XP deadline that will see the operating system removed from retail shelves and OEM hardware, and to tout the virtues of Windows Vista. Veghte also thanked customers for their loyalty and support.

Source (http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/24/Microsoft_VP_confirms_Windows_7_ship_date_January_ 2010_1.html)

[narangz]

I really hope it's not a HDD space & system memory guzzler.

[blueshift]

^ why it shouldn't be?

Jan 2010...thats too much of time! Till then use Vista..and perhaps some other more advanced OS will come from Linux comm.

[narangz]

^^ Why? 'Coz I don't wanna upgrade for every release :)

3 years is not too much time, IMHO.

[CadCrazy]

Imagine how much more crap they gonna put in vista to make it windows 7 :D
Mathematically
Vista + Some more crap = Windows 7 :p

[saqib_khan]

Imagine how much more crap they gonna put in vista to make it windows 7 :D
MathematicallyVista + Some more crap = Windows 7 :p

lol, very true.

[MetalheadGautham]

I think their main focus should be on internal security, robustness and transparency.

1. UAC should be more modelled on Gnome's GKSU

2. There should be some kernel level developments which make the system faster

3. Internal DRM should NOT exist. The OS should not cripple the user in any way.

4. The functioning of the OS should be completely transparent, with everything available for the user to see if he so wishes.

5. Shortcuts to applications must become more advanced, perhaps emulating Linux Launchers, and this way, all applications can be easily assigned pre-run-time configuration options.

6. Windows Command Prompt needs a rework; it should be made to be at par with today's standards for a robust commandline and should be intergrated into the main OS, and most importantly, it should support the ncurses library for commandline GUI.

7. Much more security is needed; applications which are released officially must go strict tests to ensure that maximum holes are pluged.

[W i d e S c r e e N]

is windows 7 = directx 10.xx\11?

[Charan]

I would like to see microsoft concentrate more on making windows 7 faster than eyecandy.

UAC must be more smarter and it should not be a PITA for the user Vista SP1 fixed many of these problems but still more work is needed.

I also want to see windows read and write ext and other partitions natively.

Quicker start up/resume and shutdown.

Imagine how much more crap they gonna put in vista to make it windows 7 :D
MathematicallyVista + Some more crap = Windows 7 :p
Please Visit the thread in my signature.

[CadCrazy]

Please Visit the thread in my signature.

Am i suppose to be flaming. Not really,its just for fun. To make discussion more interesting :D

[Charan]

Am i suppose to be flaming. Not really,its just for fun. To make discussion more interesting :D
chit chat would be a better place for fun .. back to topic.

[CadCrazy]

Yaar phun to har jaga hona chahiye jab tak koe mod object na kare

[FilledVoid]

Nice 2010 isnt bad at all. Thats a load of time for Vista to mature :) . One of these days I'm going to give Vista another whirl it seems my lame Tv Tuner card has Vista drivers now :D.

1. UAC should be more modelled on Gnome's GKSU

Out of curiosity, Why? I think UAC is actually a good feature on Windows Vista. If you've worked for Tech Support in a large company , you can trust me when i say its a God Send.

3. Internal DRM should NOT exist. The OS should not cripple the user in any way.

Please explain internal DRM in Windows for me. Thanks.

4. The functioning of the OS should be completely transparent, with everything available for the user to see if he so wishes.

You want Microsoft to go Open Source? What exactly did you mean again?


5. Shortcuts to applications must become more advanced, perhaps emulating Linux Launchers, and this way, all applications can be easily assigned pre-run-time configuration options.

If Im correct all Windows at least from 2000 have this right?

I also want to see windows read and write ext and other partitions natively.
This is something I would love to see.

[naveen_reloaded]

Arent they releasing it tooearly?
Ok here is the question of the day... How much should i start saving to upgrade my system to run windows 7 ultimate? A lakh?

I hope they bring in the much waited filesystem..
And hope they concentrate on faster ui than looks...

Lets see.... Vista too was released on jan...now W7? Hope history doesnt repeat itself...,

But p.s i like vista...its really great...

[Betruger]

i heard that windows 7 has new file system and file structure?
is it.?

anyhow . windows is the only fastest OS for Desktop computers....
when compareed to windows, all of the linux distro are practially very slow....
So nothing can beat Windows...

[ThinkFree]

^^Disagree with you. Running OpenSuse and its faster than XP

[ravi_9793]

^^Disagree with you. Running OpenSuse and its faster than XP
Please dont start OS war here. :D

[chandru.in]

^^ Wasn't this the actual starting point of OS war?? I guess you quoted the wrong person.

anyhow . windows is the only fastest OS for Desktop computers....
when compareed to windows, all of the linux distro are practially very slow....
So nothing can beat Windows...

[naveen_reloaded]

Whatever it is... Lets stay on topic with W7...

Anyone have any info on features in W7?

Or atleast rumoured ones.?

[blueshift]

^^ Why? 'Coz I don't wanna upgrade for every release :)

Comeon...Vista h/w upgrade wasn't too much they asked for. I ran Vista on my 5 year old system with 512MB RAM and onboard nVidia GF2. Though I couldn't the Aero effect in that...but who cares.
And I guess Windows 7 is completely different from Vista..like new FS, multitouch working. But it will be able to run 'min system configuration' PCs.


1. UAC should be more modelled on Gnome's GKSU

2. There should be some kernel level developments which make the system faster

4. The functioning of the OS should be completely transparent, with everything available for the user to see if he so wishes.

5. Shortcuts to applications must become more advanced, perhaps emulating Linux Launchers, and this way, all applications can be easily assigned pre-run-time configuration options.


You are asking for Linux features.. :D


Anyone have any info on features in W7?

Did you saw this site : http://windows7news.com/

[narangz]

Comeon...Vista h/w upgrade wasn't too much they asked for. I ran Vista on my 5 year old system with 512MB RAM and onboard nVidia GF2. Though I couldn't the Aero effect in that...but who cares.
And I guess Windows 7 is completely different from Vista..like new FS, multitouch working.


It nearly crawls on 512 MB RAM :D. I had 512 MB RAM in my system but had to upgrade it to run Vista smoothly. 1 GB of RAM is bare minimum. I don't quite like the interface without Aero.

[FilledVoid]

anyhow . windows is the only fastest OS for Desktop computers....
when compareed to windows, all of the linux distro are practially very slow....
So nothing can beat Windows...

What is wrong with you? Why bring up Linux here when the thread is about Windows ? Am I the only person to find this person doing this as flamebait?

A few days ago you came up with a distro comparison thread.

[iMav]

A few days ago you came up with a distro comparison thread.New member he is, n00b shall be called, un-aware of the destruction his post can cause.

[FilledVoid]

New member he is, n00b shall be called, un-aware of the destruction his post can cause.

Right, you are. <Does yoda rap at this point and walk away>

[gxsaurav]

UAC should be more modelled on Gnome's GKSU

No need to go Linux way which asks for password every 5 mins when a Power user wants to make some system changes. Just a "Remember my settings for this application" checkbox will do.

2. There should be some kernel level developments which make the system faster

They are being added with everything running as a module connected to the kernel now already in Vista as MinWin.

3. Internal DRM should NOT exist. The OS should not cripple the user in any way.


If MS decided not to provide this then MPAA & RIAA will sue Microsoft. One thing MS can do is to make the DRM service modular that if the user wants he can remove DRM support & then he won't be able to play iTunes Content, or Blu-Ray Videos etc. It's a trade off & the user can either select to play plethora of content from the net or not to play those & pirate.

4. The functioning of the OS should be completely transparent, with everything available for the user to see if he so wishes.

Windows OS is not for developers. Why should a normal user need to know what wmploc.dll is doing??? Those who are developers can do so with Windows SDK.

5. Shortcuts to applications must become more advanced, perhaps emulating Linux Launchers, and this way, all applications can be easily assigned pre-run-time configuration options

.net already has this.

6. Windows Command Prompt needs a rework; it should be made to be at par with today's standards for a robust commandline and should be intergrated into the main OS, and most importantly, it should support the ncurses library for commandline GUI.

It won't fit the Windows enviroment for general users. Those who want it can freely download Windows PowerShell.

Much more security is needed; applications which are released officially must go strict tests to ensure that maximum holes are pluged.

Each application released undergoes severe testing & maximum number of holes are plugged

[chesss]

Running OpenSuse and its faster than XPmeh no modern distro runs as fast as xp. xp is much much faster any than a current version of any modern distro. IMHO tHey shouldn't be compared

6. Windows Command Prompt needs a rework; it needs a HUGE
I rework!!
I mean atleast give us keyboard scrolling.& tabbing that doesn't suck balls.
Have a look at mrxvt and zsh... ms shldn't ignore their power users.. A better better shell is an absolute must.
Unfortunately MS fans don't realize what a great shell like zsh (running on mrxvt) can do..

[Krazy_About_Technology]

It nearly crawls on 512 MB RAM :D. I had 512 MB RAM in my system but had to upgrade it to run Vista smoothly. 1 GB of RAM is bare minimum. I don't quite like the interface without Aero.

My relative have a dual core pentium D 2 GHz with 512 MB ram on an intel 945 board. His system runs Vista Aero as smooth as fresh cream :-D

I think the combination of hardware components you use matter very much as far as performance is concerned. Branded systems sometimes have that advantage as they test their systems quiet rigrously at the design time. I have personally seen some of the best hardware components crawling when put together with "incompatible" ones even when all of them were latest in their respective areas.



If MS decided not to provide this then MPAA & RIAA will sue Microsoft. One thing MS can do is to make the DRM service modular that if the user wants he can remove DRM support & then he won't be able to play iTunes Content, or Blu-Ray Videos etc. It's a trade off & the user can either select to play plethora of content from the net or not to play those & pirate.

Windows OS is not for developers. Why should a normal user need to know what wmploc.dll is doing??? Those who are developers can do so with Windows SDK.


Yes very true. I agree with you.


One thing i cannot understand is that whenever there is a talk of a new OS, people want to have changes in the OS that change the way it works almost fully. For example, if WinFS is introduced in WIndows 7, it will be a completly different system than the current. But when that new OS developes incompatibilities with previous apps, many of the same people cry their throat out complaining about them. I dont understand how it is possible?
They want these drastic changes in every version and yet dont want to accept the side effects. Vista changed a few things to get onto a better path and look how people welcomed it. Waise its old habit of many to push back someone when he tries to do something different, but this happens in Human-OS relationships :-D also, that is quiet strange.

No offence to anyone plz, i am just expressing my thoughts.

[narangz]

My relative have a dual core pentium D 2 GHz with 512 MB ram on an intel 945 board. His system runs Vista Aero as smooth as fresh cream :-D

I think the combination of hardware components you use matter very much as far as performance is concerned. Branded systems sometimes have that advantage. I have personally seen some of the best hardware components crawling when put together with "incompatible" ones even when all of them were latest in their respective areas.


Aero didn't have any problem on my PC too. It was just that using other applications like Visual Studio, Dreamweaver etc made it crawl. If you don't need any such heavy applications & just want to use it for surfing, music & movies it's fine on even 512 MB RAM.

[Betruger]

Hello guys...
im not redirect this thread... just said what i feel..

But i have one question asked in my reply..

Windows 7 have new File System(WinFS) / File Structure? Is it true...
I have read this in Digit Fast Tract in Windows Vista...
Anyone have an idea..?

[shantanu]

Aero didn't have any problem on my PC too. It was just that using other applications like Visual Studio, Dreamweaver etc made it crawl. If you don't need any such heavy applications & just want to use it for surfing, music & movies it's fine on even 512 MB RAM.

ever read the minimum requirments for Visual studio ? how can u complaint for that on 512 mb ram ? yes you need atleast a GB , and a GB costs what 800/- ? when XP came 256 mb costed 1800/- ?

doesnt that makes any difference ?

to all :

when you talk about windows its just not a thing to fight on..

OSS and winguys , make this very clear,

Technology section, single flame, and you are banned .. mind it... wont tolerate from any sides.. specially the flame GURUS...

fight club is there to fight.. go there and fight..

i could have explained more on windows 7 but i am under NDA :(

[Charan]

@Betruger: Yea .. its abt time that they impliment WinFS.

Flame GURUS...

Ahaaa .. Thats a new word for me :D ..

[narangz]

ever read the minimum requirments for Visual studio ? how can u complaint for that on 512 mb ram ? yes you need atleast a GB , and a GB costs what 800/- ? when XP came 256 mb costed 1800/- ?

doesnt that makes any difference ?


That's what I meant. Visual Studio is just an examlpe. Did I flame anywhere or said some crap? :confused:

[shantanu]

nopes, not for you man :p

[Krazy_About_Technology]

Aero didn't have any problem on my PC too. It was just that using other applications like Visual Studio, Dreamweaver etc made it crawl. If you don't need any such heavy applications & just want to use it for surfing, music & movies it's fine on even 512 MB RAM.

Ya thats true. Visual Studio does slows down a comp with 512 MB RAM on Vista. But then Vista is not the culprit for that. On a system that meets minimum requirement to run Vista, expecting to run an app as heavy as Visual Studio with jet speed will not be right, isn't it buddy? Besides the requirements for Visual Studio do quote higher amount of ram so the situation is justified, i guess. These things are true for any OS i think.

My relative that i was talking about, Apart from his day job, works as a freelance indian language translator for Microsoft as well as other companies. So most of his work includes using proprietry tools from companies (ex Microsoft) or the standard Microsoft Word mostly. He also have some educational softwares for his children as well as some games like quake 3 arena, Need for speed hot pursuit 2 etc. All these work fine on his Vista machine. So as per my experience, for this kinda work, the minimum system works great. No offences yaar, ok :-)

[narangz]

Ya thats true. Visual Studio does slows down a comp with 512 MB RAM on Vista. But then Vista is not the culprit for that. On a system that meets minimum requirement to run Vista, expecting to run an app as heavy as Visual Studio with jet speed will not be right, isn't it buddy? Besides the requirements for Visual Studio do quote higher amount of ram so the situation is justified, i guess. These things are true for any OS i think.

My relative that i was talking about, Apart from his day job, works as a freelance india language translator for Microsoft as well as other companies. So most of his work includes using proprietry tools from companies (ex Microsoft) or the standard Microsoft Word mostly. He also have some educational softwares for his children as well as some games like quake 3 arena, Need for speed hot pursuit 2 etc. All these work fine on his Vista machine. So as per my experience, for this kinda work, the minimum system works great. No offences yaar, ok :-)


Agree. There is some difference in branded & assembled in some scenarios with simlar config.

Yaar 1 GB is the minimum these days. Costs just 900-1000. I bought 64 MB RAM module for 2500 some years back :D

nopes, not for you man :p

OK :D

[iMav]

i could have explained more on windows 7 but i am under NDA :(arre tension nako, we won't tell anyone that you said something :D

[Krazy_About_Technology]

@narangz : Ya fall in Ram prices was inevitable and a welcome change in the computer hardware market. I too upgraded my lappy with 1 GB in 1300 5 months ago, keeping my original 256 MB with it. So now i have 1280 MB :-)

@imav: LOL! :-D

[great_manish]

an alpha or maybe beta version has already been leaked...available on most warez sites....

[iMav]

It's supposedly a Milestone version.

[shantanu]

every peace of leak is a BS ! then the screenshots are fake.. so dont worry guys.. its not like you think :p

[iMav]

^^That's going on my blog. I was going to post it earlier after our chat, but now that you have made it public, I am going ahead with it. :D

[shantanu]

lol ! i am saying my point.. lol not speaking for Microsoft !

[narangz]

^^ Cmon atleast tell about UI & Kernel? :D If you like, PM me. Full anonymity guaranteed :p

[iMav]

^^ i asked hima lot he did not tell anything, then I had to call up another fren of mine: http://www.beingmanan.com/wp/2008/06/win-7-ultimate-ultimately-fake/

[narangz]

^^That's going on my blog. I was going to post it earlier after our chat, but now that you have made it public, I am going ahead with it. :D

^^ i asked hima lot he did not tell anything, then I had to call up another fren of mine: http://www.beingmanan.com/wp/2008/06/win-7-ultimate-ultimately-fake/

I think I know your other friend. :D

[iMav]

No u don't, I had a private chat with Steve Ballmer ;)