PSP or iPod...which one????

[madjeri]

coz u know i am thinking about a ipod classic 30 or 80 gb....but anyway i wont be listening that much..

i like to update songs..not to carry around all....

wat do u think...ipod or PSP......?????

can psp replace ipod...???

[Rockstar11]

PSP = games, music, video, internet(wifi) :cool:

[madjeri]

PSP = games, music, video, internet(wifi) :cool:

elaborate please....

[ajayritik]

Check the following link for information on PSP!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable

[ring_wraith]

1)Do you really have ~30 or ~80 gigs of Music that you need to carry around?
2)Do you listen to music for over 3-4 hours a day?
3)Is size a major issue?

If you answered yes to all of the above, then choose the iPod. Or else the PSP. The PSP does everything. Games, Videos on the beautiful 4.3" screen, it's highly hackable and customizable, and you can also have an insane number of apps on it after you hack it. Not to mention it's cheaper than the iPod, and the new slim one is pretty pocketable as well.

And believe it or not, the PSP's sound quality kicks the iPod's virtual ass. However, the music management features on the PSP just suck.

[madjeri]

Check the following link for information on PSP!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable

dear boy....this is the most stupidest reply i ever had....

dont u think i already know enough "general" things about a gadget if i am planning to buy it.....and atleast answer my query

[desiibond]

If gaming is your top priority, go for PSP. The problem here is that for PSP, you can only use external memory (M2 cards), which means you can't have that many songs to listen to.

Since you are saying that you don't listen that much of music, I vote for PSP.

[madjeri]

@desii.....

ya i know..but all in one is something i lookin...i am thinking about ipod video u know......but net and games a definite plus.....

how much pandoras battery and 8 gb card cost...need to look at the TCO ..u know....

[ajayritik]

dear boy....this is the most stupidest reply i ever had....

dont u think i already know enough "general" things about a gadget if i am planning to buy it.....and atleast answer my query

Dude I'm Sorry. I should have thought twice before posting that link :(

[desiibond]

@desii.....

ya i know..but all in one is something i lookin...i am thinking about ipod video u know......but net and games a definite plus.....

how much pandoras battery and 8 gb card cost...need to look at the TCO ..u know....

The price of Sony's 8Gb Pro Duo Memory card is around 5k (used for PSP)
Price of Sony's 8Gb Micro M2 should be around 8k, but am not sure.

Get either Sandisc/Sony/Kingston. Don't go for any other local brands as they have very high latency times and high failure rate.

IMHO, PSP is more like an all-in-one compared to ipod. The games that you can play on ipod are childing games.

PSP 2008 costs around 8k.
Skype is now available for PSP.
8Gb memory is enought to store loads of songs and few videos. Good buy will be PSP + 8gig memory. Tomorrow, you can get another 8gig memory when the prices fall and have a total of 16Gig.
With PSP, you will be having some flexibility over what to do with it.

With iPod, all you can do is play music and watch videos. No expansion of memory and nothing else.

or you can wait and get Sandisk card from US

http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1084)-SanDisk_Gaming_Memory_Stick_PRO_Duo.aspx

FYI, a 4Gb memory card costs just 60$ but 8Gig costs 150$.

that means, for the price of 8gig, you can get 2x4gb + 1x2Gb cards

[madjeri]

Dude I'm Sorry. I should have thought twice before posting that link :(

naa...man just think....when u want to buy something u know general stuf....that u should know...not the irelevant nos and graphs ..u neednt know that...

chill cooll......heehheh..:)

[desiibond]

^^ made your mind??

[stalion]

PSP

[Pathik]

Get a PSP. If u cant manage the pandora battery nd stuff, u shd get the Phat psp. Btw modded psps r also available in the market.

[aryayush]

Buy an iPod touch (16GB or 32GB).

It's an iPod, has an awesome screen, the best user interface on any device, plays videos, songs, podcasts, what have you, full fledged Internet, WiFi, Mail, Google Maps, Games (awesome games that respond to Multi-Touch gestures and can recognise when you tilt the device and such). The list goes on... :)

[amitava82]

Just check out 'God of War' for PSP, you will forget the rest.

[desiibond]

Buy an iPod touch (16GB or 32GB).

It's an iPod, has an awesome screen, the best user interface on any device, plays videos, songs, podcasts, what have you, full fledged Internet, WiFi, Mail, Google Maps, Games (awesome games that respond to Multi-Touch gestures and can recognise when you tilt the device and such). The list goes on... :)


LOL. games like pacman??

Come on, this guy is asking for a device that plays games first and then music.

List of games on ipod touch : http://www.ipodtouchgames.com/ipod-touch/games/web/

word spell
bejewelled
pacman
picture puzzle
word war
sudoku
solitair
poker
chess
minesweeper
and the best of all:

duckhunt
tetris
checkers
word search
stack the log


hahaha. these, I can even play on Nokia 1110

List of PSP games; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Portable_games

hundreds of games that blow you off

[aryayush]

Umm... you don't know what sort of games the iPod touch will have yet. It'll have Spore with all the nineteen levels and several more are coming.

The main thing is that it has an awesome interface for playing the games. You can tilt the device and the game responds to that. You can touch the screen with several fingers.

Plus, it has a full fledged Internet browser and WiFi built-in. Not to mention all the other supercool stuff and the huge amount of inbuilt memory. Plus, it is several times thinner and more portable than the PSP.

It might not be better than the PSP for gaming (and even that's up for debate) but it certainly is a better device overall.

[desiibond]

Umm... you don't know what sort of games the iPod touch will have yet. It'll have Spore with all the nineteen levels and several more are coming.

spore. that's all??? and compare that to never ending list of games for PSP



The main thing is that it has an awesome interface for playing the games. You can tilt the device and the game responds to that. You can touch the screen with several fingers.


Interface is there but not at all better than PSP's gaming interface.

Specifications state that the PSP is capable of rendering 33 million flat-shaded polygons per second, with a 664 million pixel per second fill rate.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable#_note-cspec)

The PSP's main microprocessor is a multifunction device named "Allegrex" that includes a 32-bit MIPS32 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture) R4k-based CPU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit), a Floating Point Unit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_Point_Unit), and a Vector Floating Point Unit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=VFPU&action=edit&redlink=1). Additionally, there is a processor block known as "Media Engine" that contains another 32-bit MIPS32 R4k-base CPU, hardware for multimedia decoding (such as H.264 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264)), and a programmable DSP dubbed "Virtual Mobile Engine". The secondary CPU present in the Media Engine is functionally equivalent to the primary CPU save for a lack of a VPU. The MIPS CPU cores are globally clocked between 1 and 333 MHz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megahertz). During the 2005 GDC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Developers_Conference), Sony revealed that it had capped the PSP's CPU clock speed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_speed) at 222 MHz for licensed software. Its reasons for doing so are unknown, but are the subject of some speculation. Various homebrew tools enable users to operate at 333 MHz, generally leading to a higher frame rate at the expense of battery life. On June 22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_22), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007), Sony Computer Entertainment confirmed that the firmware version 3.50 does in fact remove this restriction and allows future games to run at the full 333 MHz speed. It does not affect already-released games.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable#_note-2)
The system has 32 MiB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte) main RAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_access_memory) and 4 MiB embedded DRAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM). The 4 MiB of eDRAM consists of 2 MiB dedicated to the Graphics Unit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GU) and 2 MB dedicated to the Media Engine secondary processor. There is no memory management unit for either CPU. No evidence of a TLB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_lookaside_buffer) has been found. The co-processor that normally manages the TLB-based MMU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_management_unit) seems to be a custom effort by Sony and has no integrated memory. Both CPUs contain 16 KiB of two-way set associative instruction cache (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_cache) and data cache (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_cache) respectively. There is additionally 16 KiB of scratchpad RAM which, while faster than main RAM, is not nearly as fast as the integrated cache.
The 166 MHz graphics chip has 2 MiB embedded memory and through its 512 bit interface provides hardware polygon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon) and NURBS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NURBS) rendering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendering), hardware directional lighting, clipping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_%28computer_graphics%29), environment projection and texture mapping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texture_mapping), texture compression and tessellation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessellation), fogging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_fog), alpha blending (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_blending), depth and stencil tests, vertex blending for morphing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphing) effects, and dithering, all in 16 or 24 bit color. The graphics chip also handles image output.

Now, tell me how powerful is ipod Touch's processor and GPU?


Plus, it has a full fledged Internet browser and WiFi built-in. Not to mention all the other supercool stuff and the huge amount of inbuilt memory. Plus, it is several times thinner and more portable than the PSP.



hahaha.

FYI, touch is 9mm thick and psp 2008 is 18m thick. that's just twice and moreover, while playing games, the thickness of PSP makes it easy to handle and makes for a rocksolid hold.
4.3" 16M color screen compared to 3.5" screen of ipod touch

Install Opera and you can browse internet on PSP using the inbuilt Wi-Fi
Install linux on a PSP
Install loads of games, loads of apps on PSP.

The game pad of PSP blows off the touch interface of ipod while gaming. how do you play God of War on ipod Touch (if it comes). Even thinking of it makes me laugh.



It might not be better than the PSP for gaming (and even that's up for debate) but it certainly is a better device overall.

Typical fanboy quote who thinks that anything that apple makes is superb. Please go somewhere else. Tomorrow, who knows, you might even say that ipod touch is better than PS3 coz it's slim and has touch screen. LOL

Moreover, SOny has already released 16Gb and announced 32Gb memory stick for PSP. I am not saying that it can bought right away. Think about the flexibility. tomorrow, if you need more memory get a 16Gb card or 32Gb card. Have money, get more memory unlike ipod Touch where you cannot increase the memory and have to get a new device altogether (for another 15k or more).

[ring_wraith]

oh come on Aayush, stop arguing that the Touch can even come close to matching the PSP when it comes to gaming. For gaming, you need buttons. and the PSPs' got 10 and an analog stick. The iPod touch has well.. umm I dont know, 1! And that happens to be the exit button.

Spore?!!! That too with NINETEEN levels???? ZOMG!! Who wants REAL games like GOW, POP, Daxter and Tekken???

Full fledged browser and wi-fi! Damn! Oh yeah.... the PSP has that too...

PSP+4gig card = 10,000. iPod Touch 8 gig = 12,000. [maybe more, dunno]

The day GOW is made for Touch, with similar graphics, gameplay and controls, I'll sell my PSP and buy the iTouch.

BTW... tilting != Awesome interface. The PS3 has the most advanced tilting features spare the Wii, and the first thing every PS3 owner does is turn it off.

And even at the music playing level, the PSP loses out on Music management, and even I agree that MM totally sucks on the PSP, but the fact is that it's Sound Quality blows the touch's out of the water.

and ....

other supercool stuff

oh come on. The PSP can do everything the touch can, and a lot lot more through the wonder that is homebrew.

Can the Touch play DivX? The PSP can. Surprising really, considering the Touch is primarily a Personal Video Player.

So pray tell me how,

it certainly is a better device overall.

I know I know! it has an Apple logo at the back.

But to be completely honest, the touch's interface is revolutionary by all means. But having a killer interface without killer features and killer performance to control is like having a saddle made of platinum for a lame donkey.

-==- edit:

what timing Desiibond! you posted while I was typing. Guess it just goes to show you can't speak ill of the PSP for too long around these parts without going unnoticed.

[desiibond]

^^hehe. aayush should be awarded "Most Ignorant Fanboy". he can make anyone lose respect for Apple fan's with comments like "ipod touch better than PSP". "ipod touch has better interface than PSP" huh. Grow up Mr. Aayush.

hehe. It's not aobut speaking ill of PSP. It's about saying that f***ing mp3 player from Apple is better than PSP. That shows how ignorant this guy is.

Oh, I forgot, he uses mac na. that means he doesn't know anything about hardcore gaming is and what exactly gaming is. That is why after seeing ipod Touch running games like word puzzles etc, he should have felt that it has superior gaming interface :)


But to be completely honest, the touch's interface is revolutionary by all means. But having a killer interface without killer features and killer performance to control is like having a saddle made of platinum for a lame donkey.



hahahaha. well said.

[gowtham]

@madjeri
The equation is simple, if u want games, go for the psp, nothin beats it in this territory.
If u want music, u can go for both, both r pretty good in this field.
If u want video, psp does it, larger screen and man, u gotta c the screen, its so beautiful.....

I own a black psp and i have used my frnds ipod nano. to be honest i liked both devices. one more thing, if u decide to get a psp, get new SLIM version only. Dont allow anyone to talk u out of this, its got an hdmi port, its lighte and smaller, 2X RAM(not many know this....) and more importantly, its pocket friendly! and yes u can install custom firmware on this to play pirated games(i do not advise it!) and install manyyyyyy apps! tell us ur decision..

[ring_wraith]

@ desiibond cool down man. Or else you're going to have the entire brigade of Macboys on your tail ;)

@ gowtham, HDMI port? it's just a video out port.

[aryayush]

Edit: This was supposed to be reply #20, so read it in that context.

Frankly, I didn't know it was capable of all that.

Yes, if the primary concern is gaming, get the PSP. :)


My personal choice, however, would be the iPod touch and that's not because of the Apple logo. That's because I don't game. :)

[desiibond]

@ desiibond cool down man. Or else you're going to have the entire brigade of Macboys on your tail ;)


hehe. what can they argue about here? :)

[teknoPhobia]

PSP>iPod, touch or otherwise.

Most of the reasons have already been enumerated above. Add replaceable battery to the list. Apart from games, you also get UMD movies at a very reasonable price. Finally, once you have seen the video quality on the PSP, you won't reall like any of the other PMPs.

[desiibond]

Edit: This was supposed to be reply #20, so read it in that context.

Frankly, I didn't know it was capable of all that.

Yes, if the primary concern is gaming, get the PSP. :)


My personal choice, however, would be the iPod touch and that's not because of the Apple logo. That's because I don't game. :)

when you don't game, there is no necessity to post reply saying that "psp is better than ipod touch". For god's sake, do not misguide someone by suggesting to put hard earned money into something that doesn't suit the needs

[aryayush]

I expected an apology for the unnecessarily rude comments, not pretentious anecdotal advice.

It's not that the original poster would have bought it just on my recommendation anyway. And I didn't explicitly ask him to opt for the iPod touch. I made it clear that I was not very sure about games, but the iPod touch was better for most other tasks. I realise that whatever little advice I gave regarding games was completely wrong now, but that's life. Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're not.

I accepted my mistake and changed my recommendation. If you expect me to delete my post or post an apology for wasting your time, I'm sorry that I won't be able to satisfy you.

It's very easy to be a loudmouth on the Internet. What matters is whether you choose to or not. Your comments were unwarranted and you could have proven me wrong without the extra rudeness, like ring_wraith did. I didn't object to it. I was wrong, so there's no point in arguing.

But cut the crappy advice already. I know how I'm supposed to behave on an online forum and what I'm supposed to post. Thank you very much.

[teknoPhobia]

Buy an iPod touch (16GB or 32GB).

It's an iPod, has an awesome screen, the best user interface on any device, plays videos, songs, podcasts, what have you, full fledged Internet, WiFi, Mail, Google Maps, Games (awesome games that respond to Multi-Touch gestures and can recognise when you tilt the device and such). The list goes on... :)


Strange, I can't seem to be able to interpret any part of this as a qualified statement..........

[desiibond]

I expected an apology for the unnecessarily rude comments, not pretentious anecdotal advice.

It's not that the original poster would have bought it just on my recommendation anyway. And I didn't explicitly ask him to opt for the iPod touch. I made it clear that I was not very sure about games, but the iPod touch was better for most other tasks. I realise that whatever little advice I gave regarding games was completely wrong now, but that's life. Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're not.

I accepted my mistake and changed my recommendation. If you expect me to delete my post or post an apology for wasting your time, I'm sorry that I won't be able to satisfy you.

It's very easy to be a loudmouth on the Internet. What matters is whether you choose to or not. Your comments were unwarranted and you could have proven me wrong without the extra rudeness, like ring_wraith did. I didn't object to it. I was wrong, so there's no point in arguing.

But cut the crappy advice already. I know how I'm supposed to behave on an online forum and what I'm supposed to post. Thank you very much.

One more advice: stick to "All things about Apple" and to those posts about mac :)

[gowtham]

@ring_wraith
My bad. yes its an video out port but it supports 720p res. :P

[~Rahul~]

Btw wats the maximum expandable memory on a PSP?

And can u playback divx, xvid, h264, ogg-vorbis on it?

[amitava82]

@desiibond:
How do u install Opera and Linux on a PSP? A would be very useful.

[ring_wraith]

^^ suddenly a lot of interest. The expandable memory is the max available on the market, AFAIK, 16 GB. But the card will cost you a bomb and will be very hard to find.

Divx and Xvid go, no Ogg [grrr....] but no idea about h.264

and @amitava, even I am interested in knowing how you do the afforementioned.

[keith_j_snyder2]

I own both:
A PSP and a 160GB I-pod!
I used the i-Pod for almost a month and gave it to my sister.
Happy with my boredom killer aka PSP!
And since GOD OF WAR is out....its gonna rock out big time!

PSP is much better than I-POD apart from storage part.

some of the posts on this forum are the courtesy of PSP!

[teknoPhobia]

^^ suddenly a lot of interest. The expandable memory is the max available on the market, AFAIK, 16 GB. But the card will cost you a bomb and will be very hard to find.

Divx and Xvid go, no Ogg [grrr....] but no idea about h.264

and @amitava, even I am interested in knowing how you do the afforementioned.


h.264 MP4 is the native video format for the PSP and that's why the quality is so good :)

Something everyone seems to have forgotten to mention (even me :() is that xvid/divx cannot be natively played on the PSP, they have to be converted to Mpeg4 h.264 video.

[ring_wraith]

^^ it can. You need to have some kind of homebrew for it, so i guess that it is pseudo-native. In the sense that a PSP can play Divx and Xvid without conversion, but you just need some software for it. Just like Divx is pseudo-native to Windows.

And I use it.

[madjeri]

....well....


i am goin for both.....thought abt iphone too..but thats after a year or 2 only....


i may go for ipod and psp both used ones as cost will be less and i get both....or ill buy a used ipod and a new psp....

coz psp will be having more wear and tear for sure....and ipod....its ok.....

and now u guys get me a good offer for a ipod....

[desiibond]

@desiibond:
How do u install Opera and Linux on a PSP? A would be very useful.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1906807,00.asp
http://linux.blogpsp.net/

These could help.

....well....


i am goin for both.....thought abt iphone too..but thats after a year or 2 only....


i may go for ipod and psp both used ones as cost will be less and i get both....or ill buy a used ipod and a new psp....

coz psp will be having more wear and tear for sure....and ipod....its ok.....

and now u guys get me a good offer for a ipod....


If you are going to get ipod from US, check deals2buy.com. This is a site that lists all the deals across various stores in USA.

In India, enquire at several stores. For example, you get ipod for lower price at Brigade Road's Glasgow computers than at Forum's Apple store

IMHO, you should check the Creative zen.
comes in 2/4/8/16/32 gb onboard flash
2gb: 79$
4Gb: 99$
8gb: 149$
16Gb: 199$
32Gb 299$
http://in.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=16999&listby=

size: 55 x 83 x 11.3mm
weight: 65gms
display : 2.5" 16.7 million color TFT LCD 320 x 240 pixels
audio format: wma, aac, mp3, wav, audible
video format: MJPEG, WMV9, MPEG4-SP, DivX 4/5 and XviD

photo format: JPEG (BMP/ GIF / PNG / TIFF)

FM radio

8 presets and 5 band custom EQ

USB 2.0
SD card slot (no upper limit, cards currently maxed out at 8Gb)
Voice recorder
battery life of 30 hours audio and 5 hrs video
compatible with music subscription services such as Napster To Go and Rhapsody

If you ar looking only for the ipod, better go for ipod Touch instead of ipod classic. It's sleek, faster, easier to use than classic, bigger screen

[amitava82]

^^ I saw those earlier. and its pretty useless running Win 95 on a PSP which takes 10 minutes to boot up.. Not at all practical.

[krazzy]

Just the PSP would've been fine actually. Its a complete portable multimedia powerhouse. It can play games (duh!), playback music (sound quality is as good as iPod), playback videos (supports more formats than iPod and display is bigger and better as well), it has wi-fi and internet browser and you can also play multiplayer games with other PSP owner with the wi-fi. Plus for gaming, the design of PSP is absolutely great. I'll prefer the physical buttons over the virtual buttons on a touch screen anyday. Plus the PSP has a great collection of games which is increasing everyday.

So IMO, the PSP is much better than any iPod and a much more complete device and also offers more bang for the buck. It retails for the same price as an 8gb iPod Nano, but still packs much more under the hood (except for the memory which can be expanded in PSP).

[ring_wraith]

Are you getting the PSP and an iPod touch or a regular iPod? As I wouldn't recommend getting both touch and PSP. Get a nano and a PSP or a classic and a PSP, as they are primarily DAPs and not PMPs.

If you are getting an iTouch and PSP, I wish I was you. ;)

[madjeri]

Are you getting the PSP and an iPod touch or a regular iPod? As I wouldn't recommend getting both touch and PSP. Get a nano and a PSP or a classic and a PSP, as they are primarily DAPs and not PMPs.

If you are getting an iTouch and PSP, I wish I was you. ;)


naa.. ipod classic....and psp....

[Pathik]

Why don't you just get the PSP and then a iPhone. As you say you are going to get a iPod Touch anyways.

[ashu_dps]

naa.. ipod classic....and psp....

Ummm... u PMed me for the i-pod that i've put on sale in Bazaar section here but still i think i should let you ppl know that PSP is much better in my opinion as i'm much more into gaming than in music.

I brought i-pod thinking that i'll develop a liking to listening music but i failed miserably LOL :D

I got my PSP and since then i hardly look towards my pod.
Although its quite impractical in my thinking to use PSP for listening to music and watching video n surfing net but still PSP rocks and although i hardly use my i-pod but still it has been quite hard for me to decide to seprate from the lovely pod coz it is one beautiful piece and been my very good companion for watching movies as i have seen over 100 movies on it when i leave for outstation or home but then thats the only use i put it to and so m selling it off for a Digicam